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The Joe Rogan Experience (1 Viewer)

Apologizing was a pathetic, gutless move!!! SHOW SOME BACKBONE DUDE!!

He had no problem defending his use of the N-word FOR YEARS, to the point of being defiant in his belief in the freedom to say things that weren't PC. But now he's got a corporate gig and suddenly he bows down to the woke police? GIMME A FRIGGIN' BREAK.

I used to be a huge fan. Not anymore. He's a sellout. Owned by a corporation.
Rogan said he recognized saying the N-word was wrong some time ago and stopped doing it so why not apologize?  Times change, standards change, people can change too.
Hey, if the guy had a change of heart about his own personal usage of the word, so be it.

JUST. DON'T. APOLOGIZE.

By apologizing now, he's basically admitting that he was wrong all those years ago when he called out his critics for being PC and woke. He's embracing woke culture now!  He's a fraud.

 
Hey, if the guy had a change of heart about his own personal usage of the word, so be it.

JUST. DON'T. APOLOGIZE.

By apologizing now, he's basically admitting that he was wrong all those years ago when he called out his critics for being PC and woke. He's embracing woke culture now!  He's a fraud.
I thought his whole deal is that he’s always learning and isn’t afraid to admit he’s wrong. 

 
Of course. And he says he’s stupid (and really means it). He’s just a curious, genuine guy.

Did I mention he voted for Bernie?
I have listened to a good handful of his podcasts from the past and didn’t remember fighting the woke police being a big theme of his but it’s been a minute since I listened. 

 
I have listened to a good handful of his podcasts from the past and didn’t remember fighting the woke police being a big theme of his but it’s been a minute since I listened. 
I would not say it's a big theme of his, but if he has the right comedian on, they will definitely talk about it. At his core, he's a comedian, and no matter what a comedian's politics, most likely they are against any kind of PC Police. It's bad for business to 'watch what you say'. Completely in their best interest to be against cancel culture, whatever you want to call it. There are a lot of very liberal comedians that are very vocal about this. 

 
Hey, if the guy had a change of heart about his own personal usage of the word, so be it.

JUST. DON'T. APOLOGIZE.

By apologizing now, he's basically admitting that he was wrong all those years ago when he called out his critics for being PC and woke. He's embracing woke culture now!  He's a fraud.
I think you may be taking this a little too serious. 

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Has he always been political or right leaning that the left has been dying to attack him?  I never listened to him because I just never “got” it with him. 
I’m not the one to answer, I’ve never gotten into his show. Just saying that the people making the biggest ruckus about his online (for COVID takes, racial remarks, etc) weren’t his actual audience anyway. I’m sure there are some people who hate listen but that’s not his core by any stretch. 

 
Seen a lot of folks supporting Joe over the last week but I think Goggins has said it best so far, especially the bolded:

davidgoggins

Verified

I’ve been attacked by a few people for being friends with @joerogan as of late. Funny, you must have mistaken me for someone who actually gives a #### about your opinion!

First, do I think Joe Rogan is racist? No. Was Joe wrong for saying ? Yes.

When I was growing up & even in my later years, I was called more times than I can count. It was never the “N-word” it was . That said, I know racist mother####ers & can vouch for Joe.

The ####ed up thing about all of this is that all eyes aren’t on Joe because of his use of the “N-word” rather for his views on other matters. They are using race, which is a real, emotionally-charged, divisive subject as a smokescreen for the real issue & that is what pisses me off.

If you have an issue with someone, let that issue be the issue. Don’t hide it behind something else. These podcasts have been around for years & no one has said #### about them until now because Joe’s voice doesn’t fit some agenda.


If you don’t walk lock step with whatever the #### is going on & don’t agree with it, you risk someone going into the archives of your life & finding whatever dirt they can & exploiting you.

We are slowly being walked down a path where we lose our voice. We don’t all need to agree with one another but we have to respect the fact that people should be able to say whatever the #### they want to say- otherwise known as freedom of speech. Whether you listen or not should be your choice. I remain completely independent with no sponsors or partnerships so I don’t ever have to issue an apology for who the #### I am or what the #### I say.

What the hidden message here to me is the fact that people in positions of power don’t believe we are smart enough to be able to hear different opinions or capable of making our own decisions.

All you judging mother####ers, take some time to think about what would happen to you if all of the skeletons in your closet were put on display for everyone around you to see? Perhaps you want to think again before rushing to judgment!

It’s important in life, whether people like it or not, for you to be who the #### you are and say what you want to say 100% of the time!

 
Seen a lot of folks supporting Joe over the last week but I think Goggins has said it best so far, especially the bolded:

davidgoggins

Verified

I’ve been attacked by a few people for being friends with @joerogan as of late. Funny, you must have mistaken me for someone who actually gives a #### about your opinion!

First, do I think Joe Rogan is racist? No. Was Joe wrong for saying ? Yes.

When I was growing up & even in my later years, I was called more times than I can count. It was never the “N-word” it was . That said, I know racist mother####ers & can vouch for Joe.

The ####ed up thing about all of this is that all eyes aren’t on Joe because of his use of the “N-word” rather for his views on other matters. They are using race, which is a real, emotionally-charged, divisive subject as a smokescreen for the real issue & that is what pisses me off.

If you have an issue with someone, let that issue be the issue. Don’t hide it behind something else. These podcasts have been around for years & no one has said #### about them until now because Joe’s voice doesn’t fit some agenda.


If you don’t walk lock step with whatever the #### is going on & don’t agree with it, you risk someone going into the archives of your life & finding whatever dirt they can & exploiting you.

We are slowly being walked down a path where we lose our voice. We don’t all need to agree with one another but we have to respect the fact that people should be able to say whatever the #### they want to say- otherwise known as freedom of speech. Whether you listen or not should be your choice. I remain completely independent with no sponsors or partnerships so I don’t ever have to issue an apology for who the #### I am or what the #### I say.

What the hidden message here to me is the fact that people in positions of power don’t believe we are smart enough to be able to hear different opinions or capable of making our own decisions.

All you judging mother####ers, take some time to think about what would happen to you if all of the skeletons in your closet were put on display for everyone around you to see? Perhaps you want to think again before rushing to judgment!

It’s important in life, whether people like it or not, for you to be who the #### you are and say what you want to say 100% of the time!
The part I bolded in red is a little disingenuous.  Rogan isn't being locked up for saying what he wants.  Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of your speech.

 
The part I bolded in red is a little disingenuous.  Rogan isn't being locked up for saying what he wants.  Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of your speech.
No one said he was, including Goggins. I don't think anyone is saying there aren't consequences to what you say either. Rogan made an apology (whether you agree with it or not) but that won't satiate the wolves. I disagree with his takes on the vaccine and if you want to go after him for that, feel free. Just don't hide that agenda by going after out of context use of a word that is a trigger point for any conversation it's used in. They are two separate issues but it's pretty clear that's what's happening because the anti-vax narrative wasn't obtaining the results desired by his detractors.

 
The part I bolded in red is a little disingenuous.  Rogan isn't being locked up for saying what he wants.  Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of your speech.
And this has always been the case.  Just look at Lenny Bruce, Jimmy the Greek and Anita Bryant (showing my age here).

What makes it more prevalent is that we didn't have social media, podcasts, etc.   A guy like Rogan would likely not even have a platform if it were 25-30 years ago.

 
No one said he was, including Goggins. I don't think anyone is saying there aren't consequences to what you say either. Rogan made an apology (whether you agree with it or not) but that won't satiate the wolves. I disagree with his takes on the vaccine and if you want to go after him for that, feel free. Just don't hide that agenda by going after out of context use of a word that is a trigger point for any conversation it's used in. They are two separate issues but it's pretty clear that's what's happening because the anti-vax narrative wasn't obtaining the results desired by his detractors.
Agreed.  This was stuff Joe said years ago and is only being called out now because of his "anti vax" opinions.  People should be called out and suffer consequences when they say stupid ####. But to go back and scour past podcast because you don't agree with something he's saying today, on a completely unrelated issue, it what's disingenuous imo.

 
And this has always been the case.  Just look at Lenny Bruce, Jimmy the Greek and Anita Bryant (showing my age here).

What makes it more prevalent is that we didn't have social media, podcasts, etc.   A guy like Rogan would likely not even have a platform if it were 25-30 years ago.
I think this is really the key.  The digital age makes everyone's past comments available going back for "forever".  I don't know that people's mentality has changed, it's just that people now have access to every stupid thing you've ever said.  Raise yourself into the consciousness and you open yourself up to people pouring through your old posts, podcasts, etc.

To think this type of thing wouldn't have happened back in the past is naive I think.  People were just as vicious then, if not more so.

 
I think this is really the key.  The digital age makes everyone's past comments available going back for "forever".  I don't know that people's mentality has changed, it's just that people now have access to every stupid thing you've ever said.  Raise yourself into the consciousness and you open yourself up to people pouring through your old posts, podcasts, etc.

To think this type of thing wouldn't have happened back in the past is naive I think.  People were just as vicious then, if not more so.
Very true. It didn't get broadcast like it does today but folks did get cancelled back in the day.

The thing that is disturbing is so much today is out of context. The Rogan video for instance, it's however long of just him saying the N-word. No context, just Joe saying it over and over in different cuts. Someone who doesn't do a lot of thinking for themselves is going to see that, draw conclusions and hop on the cancel Joe Rogan bus. 

 
Very true. It didn't get broadcast like it does today but folks did get cancelled back in the day.

The thing that is disturbing is so much today is out of context. The Rogan video for instance, it's however long of just him saying the N-word. No context, just Joe saying it over and over in different cuts. Someone who doesn't do a lot of thinking for themselves is going to see that, draw conclusions and hop on the cancel Joe Rogan bus. 
I get your point.  I still think it was stupid of him to be saying the word, even if the discussion about it being a very unique word is perfectly valid, he's still got to know that he shouldn't be using it in that, or really any, setting.  Personally I think he was just trying to be edgy and so it just is a very bad look.  That doesn't mean he's a racist, but he should absolutely know better.

 
I get your point.  I still think it was stupid of him to be saying the word, even if the discussion about it being a very unique word is perfectly valid, he's still got to know that he shouldn't be using it in that, or really any, setting.  Personally I think he was just trying to be edgy and so it just is a very bad look.  That doesn't mean he's a racist, but he should absolutely know better.
Yea I agree about trying to be edgy but you bring up another point about the use of the word itself. Say you put together a panel of folks to discuss this very topic, Black, White, Hispanic, Asian whoever you want. Instead of saying "the N-word" someone uses the actual word when reading something or recalling a speech from days gone by to illustrate a point. That's not ok? I've seen that happen by folks a lot more well versed & respected than Rogan (don't ask who, I don't recall).

Curious about responses.

 
Yea I agree about trying to be edgy but you bring up another point about the use of the word itself. Say you put together a panel of folks to discuss this very topic, Black, White, Hispanic, Asian whoever you want. Instead of saying "the N-word" someone uses the actual word when reading something or recalling a speech from days gone by to illustrate a point. That's not ok? I've seen that happen by folks a lot more well versed & respected than Rogan (don't ask who, I don't recall).

Curious about responses.
I think that if someone uses it in that context, assuming it's kind of a one-off, it would make me cringe a bit but it "shouldn't" be a big deal (I'm sure some vocal minority would still want to make it be).  The issue is that he didn't use it in that context and just kept using it.  That was just ignorant in my opinion.  :2cents:

 
I would not say it's a big theme of his, but if he has the right comedian on, they will definitely talk about it. At his core, he's a comedian, and no matter what a comedian's politics, most likely they are against any kind of PC Police. It's bad for business to 'watch what you say'. Completely in their best interest to be against cancel culture, whatever you want to call it. There are a lot of very liberal comedians that are very vocal about this. 
Yep. If the arbiters of wokeness had their way, comedy would cease to exist.

However, there are ways to be funny without being a racist or sexist d-bag.

It’s a fine line. 

 
However, there are ways to be funny without being a racist or sexist d-bag.

It’s a fine line. 


Is Rogan sexist and racist?  A comic with thousands of hours of material is bound to say some things that could come across as sexist or racist.  I will go out on a limb and say that every successful comedian in history has said things that would be considered sexist or racist.  

Crazy, but...............it doesnt mean they are sexist or racist.   Does a movie producer that produces a movie where people get killed mean they are a murderer or want people murdered? 

This whole thing is just stupid with JRE.  It's almost like people cant even have conversations anymore.

Whatever.  I just hope I'm dead before the woke/cancel culture has taken over.

 
I just hope I'm dead before the woke/cancel culture has taken over.
It hasn't taken over but pretty sure it's here to stay. This is just the most recent iteration of it. Obviously it effects Rogan or he wouldn't have issued the apology although I think he did that because he personally cared enough to do it, not because he was told to.

I also think he's at a place where he can just say #### it, pull the plug and go live his life managing his dream comedy club and doing the occasional gig. I'd hate to see it because I enjoy his content but I wouldn't fault him either.

 
The part I bolded in red is a little disingenuous.  Rogan isn't being locked up for saying what he wants.  Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of your speech.
Correct..............but what should the consequences be of some stuff he said publicly 3 years ago?  5 years ago? 15 years ago?  Stuff that, while insensitive, is also blown out of proportion.

One consequence could be that he loses some listeners.  Another consequence is that he loses his job, gets sued for all he owns, or gets murdered by the woke mob.  Which consequence is the right one?

Anyone who thinks freedom of speech means you can say whatever you want, however you want, whenever you want, and be 100% free of consequence is an irrational moron.  Obviously rational people realize this isn't the case.  However, the people always calling for the harshest of consequences are incredibly out of touch with reality and just generally the miserable of people.

 
It hasn't taken over but pretty sure it's here to stay. This is just the most recent iteration of it. Obviously it effects Rogan or he wouldn't have issued the apology although I think he did that because he personally cared enough to do it, not because he was told to.

I also think he's at a place where he can just say #### it, pull the plug and go live his life managing his dream comedy club and doing the occasional gig. I'd hate to see it because I enjoy his content but I wouldn't fault him either.
I agree, I tend to believe he apologized because he wanted to apologize.  

I am no huge JR fan, but I have listened to a few dozen hours of his interviews with people I find interesting to listen to.  At no point have I ever thought there was a hint of racism, and he sounds like he genuinely  wants what is best for everyone.

 
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Oh no wait, I just heard a couple minutes from a JR podcast from 4 years ago where he said something insensitive.  BAN HIM!!!!!!

 
I think this is really the key.  The digital age makes everyone's past comments available going back for "forever".  I don't know that people's mentality has changed, it's just that people now have access to every stupid thing you've ever said.  Raise yourself into the consciousness and you open yourself up to people pouring through your old posts, podcasts, etc.

To think this type of thing wouldn't have happened back in the past is naive I think.  People were just as vicious then, if not more so.
I agree with the general spirit here but the Rogan N word and Planet of the Apes stuff weren’t random tweets or remarks made at a comedy club. They were made on what is essentially one of the most popular “radio” shows of the era. It was over 100 episodes as well. There’s obviously a lot room for context and growth but this wasn’t exactly some genius level detective work. It was just all right there in his show. 

 
tis the comic's job to cross the line, the audience's job to let him go or bring him back and the critics' job to shut they bleedin' gobs

 
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I do wonder if eventually it becomes more apparent that Spotify pays music artists basically nothing, yet are ok just emptying the bank for a podcast.   


Sucks for musical artists but makes sense. I listen to music for the 8-10 hours, I'm at work and all Spotify gets from me is the 15-49 cents a day from my subscription fee, depending on if my kids are also using our family plan. On my drive to and from work, and hour each way, I listen to podcasts, and I get hit with anywhere from 3 - 10 sponsors/ads/commercials without fail. And I remember them as a captive audience, even when I can fast forward through them. That kind of sticky audience is worth big bucks. I can see why they pay so much for exclusive podcast rights.

 
I agree with the general spirit here but the Rogan N word and Planet of the Apes stuff weren’t random tweets or remarks made at a comedy club. They were made on what is essentially one of the most popular “radio” shows of the era. It was over 100 episodes as well. There’s obviously a lot room for context and growth but this wasn’t exactly some genius level detective work. It was just all right there in his show. 
Any what exactly should be the consequence?  Nothing?  Kill him?  Something in between?

 
Courtjester said:
In a nutshell if you agree with the woke political positions, you get left alone and forgiven for whatever past transgressions you may have had. Step out from the "group think" and get cancelled. 


The (Dixie) Chicks and Colin Kaepernick have entered the chat.

 
Any what exactly should be the consequence?  Nothing?  Kill him?  Something in between?
Well given those are the most extreme options, something in between obviously. That’s up to Spotify and listeners to decide. He’s getting a lot of free advertising out of all of this as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if his listens/downloads increase from this (at least in the short term). 

 
Seen a lot of folks supporting Joe over the last week but I think Goggins has said it best so far, especially the bolded:

davidgoggins

Verified

I’ve been attacked by a few people for being friends with @joerogan as of late. Funny, you must have mistaken me for someone who actually gives a #### about your opinion!

First, do I think Joe Rogan is racist? No. Was Joe wrong for saying ? Yes.

When I was growing up & even in my later years, I was called more times than I can count. It was never the “N-word” it was . That said, I know racist mother####ers & can vouch for Joe.

The ####ed up thing about all of this is that all eyes aren’t on Joe because of his use of the “N-word” rather for his views on other matters. They are using race, which is a real, emotionally-charged, divisive subject as a smokescreen for the real issue & that is what pisses me off.

If you have an issue with someone, let that issue be the issue. Don’t hide it behind something else. These podcasts have been around for years & no one has said #### about them until now because Joe’s voice doesn’t fit some agenda.


If you don’t walk lock step with whatever the #### is going on & don’t agree with it, you risk someone going into the archives of your life & finding whatever dirt they can & exploiting you.

We are slowly being walked down a path where we lose our voice. We don’t all need to agree with one another but we have to respect the fact that people should be able to say whatever the #### they want to say- otherwise known as freedom of speech. Whether you listen or not should be your choice. I remain completely independent with no sponsors or partnerships so I don’t ever have to issue an apology for who the #### I am or what the #### I say.

What the hidden message here to me is the fact that people in positions of power don’t believe we are smart enough to be able to hear different opinions or capable of making our own decisions.

All you judging mother####ers, take some time to think about what would happen to you if all of the skeletons in your closet were put on display for everyone around you to see? Perhaps you want to think again before rushing to judgment!

It’s important in life, whether people like it or not, for you to be who the #### you are and say what you want to say 100% of the time!


I agree with Goggins for the most part, but I also think he's going overboard with the "people in positions of power" schtick and the threats of "losing our voice."  Rogan has a massive voice that reaches more people than just about any other entertainer or journalist in the country and he's in no danger of losing it. More likely his voice will be massively amplified as a result of this saga. No one in a "position of power" is going to silence him. I'm admittedly not following very closely, but it reminds me of Aaron Rodgers saying people are watching Packers games just hoping to see him fail because of his vaccination status. There's more complaining about the mythical mob than any actual mob. Its more celebrity whining for the sake of whining and self-pity. He puts himself out there as an outsider or alternate voice and is massively popular and extremely well compensated.  Part of the deal is he has to accept some public interaction and criticism from time to time. Just like Stern, that's the whole point of his brand. I'm sure he is absolutely thrilled about all this.

 
I agree with Goggins for the most part, but I also think he's going overboard with the "people in positions of power" schtick and the threats of "losing our voice."  Rogan has a massive voice that reaches more people than just about any other entertainer or journalist in the country and he's in no danger of losing it. More likely his voice will be massively amplified as a result of this saga. No one in a "position of power" is going to silence him. I'm admittedly not following very closely, but it reminds me of Aaron Rodgers saying people are watching Packers games just hoping to see him fail because of his vaccination status. There's more complaining about the mythical mob than any actual mob. Its more celebrity whining for the sake of whining and self-pity. He puts himself out there as an outsider or alternate voice and is massively popular and extremely well compensated.  Part of the deal is he has to accept some public interaction and criticism from time to time. Just like Stern, that's the whole point of his brand. I'm sure he is absolutely thrilled about all this.


I think a lot of the commotion is pretty silly.  Someone mentioned earlier that Howard Stern had already faced a lot of scrutiny.  And he did so because he was, at that time, on terrestrial radio and regulated by the FCC.  Which is why he went to Sirius in the first place.  Rogan is similarly unregulated.  And similarly popular that he faces almost zero chance of losing his extremely lucrative deal with Spotify.  

So the hubbub essentially comes down to this idea that critics of Rogan who are doing nothing more than exercising their own rights to free speech and freedom of association are somehow threats to "First Amendment values."  

I don't really listen to Rogan (or Stern).  If there's someone out there I'd find interesting enough to listen to for 3 hours a pop, those guys aren't it.  And if I end up watching a YouTube clip of Rogan I invariably end up with a veritable cesspool of Jordan Peterson clips and clips of dudes who complain anytime a movie features a character who passes the Bechdel test in my timeline.  

 
I think a lot of the commotion is pretty silly.  Someone mentioned earlier that Howard Stern had already faced a lot of scrutiny.  And he did so because he was, at that time, on terrestrial radio and regulated by the FCC.  Which is why he went to Sirius in the first place.  Rogan is similarly unregulated.  And similarly popular that he faces almost zero chance of losing his extremely lucrative deal with Spotify.  

So the hubbub essentially comes down to this idea that critics of Rogan who are doing nothing more than exercising their own rights to free speech and freedom of association are somehow threats to "First Amendment values."  

I don't really listen to Rogan (or Stern).  If there's someone out there I'd find interesting enough to listen to for 3 hours a pop, those guys aren't it.  And if I end up watching a YouTube clip of Rogan I invariably end up with a veritable cesspool of Jordan Peterson clips and clips of dudes who complain anytime a movie features a character who passes the Bechdel test in my timeline.  
"Jordan Peterson" is my safe word.

 
I think a lot of the commotion is pretty silly.  Someone mentioned earlier that Howard Stern had already faced a lot of scrutiny.  And he did so because he was, at that time, on terrestrial radio and regulated by the FCC.  Which is why he went to Sirius in the first place.  Rogan is similarly unregulated.  And similarly popular that he faces almost zero chance of losing his extremely lucrative deal with Spotify.  

So the hubbub essentially comes down to this idea that critics of Rogan who are doing nothing more than exercising their own rights to free speech and freedom of association are somehow threats to "First Amendment values."  

I don't really listen to Rogan (or Stern).  If there's someone out there I'd find interesting enough to listen to for 3 hours a pop, those guys aren't it.  And if I end up watching a YouTube clip of Rogan I invariably end up with a veritable cesspool of Jordan Peterson clips and clips of dudes who complain anytime a movie features a character who passes the Bechdel test in my timeline.  
:lol:

 
Sucks for musical artists but makes sense. I listen to music for the 8-10 hours, I'm at work and all Spotify gets from me is the 15-49 cents a day from my subscription fee, depending on if my kids are also using our family plan. On my drive to and from work, and hour each way, I listen to podcasts, and I get hit with anywhere from 3 - 10 sponsors/ads/commercials without fail. And I remember them as a captive audience, even when I can fast forward through them. That kind of sticky audience is worth big bucks. I can see why they pay so much for exclusive podcast rights.
I  fast forward through any ads on podcasts - but I guess some people must listen to them. 

 
ghostguy123 said:
Any what exactly should be the consequence?  Nothing?  Kill him?  Something in between?
95%+ of people don’t care about this cancel culture stuff.

it’s a tiny group of people who go nuts on social media.  
 

why these big companies cater to these nutjobs is mind boggling.  

 

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