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The Joe Rogan Experience (1 Viewer)

I get a giggle out of the the hard lefties falling all over themselves foaming at the mouth wanting Rogan ruined now. Great times. 
It’s incredible what they are doing trying to takedown a Bernie bro. It’s been eye opening,   this past week I’ve learned the Young made vile homophonic statements and Joni Mitchell wore blackface in the past

 
I get a giggle out of the the hard lefties falling all over themselves foaming at the mouth wanting Rogan ruined now. Great times. 
It really is amazing to watch. It’s getting serious now, apparently Joni Mitchell is pulling her whole catalog in protest. There’s goes my gym pump mix.  :doh:

 
It's a podcast. Isn't it assumed to be more opinion than facts? (and I don't agree with a lot of Rogan's views)

Also, how is this different than something like YouTube? 

 
Spotify could find itself in a rock and a hard place if this were to continue. Rogan could get canned and pocket 150 million and he would land on his feet and probably be more popular than ever. 

 
I’d prefer to just not listen to Rogan despite whatever he or his guests are saying and while jokes are be made about Young here - the truth is Spotify is losing more out of this than everyone to the tune of 4 billion in market value since they made that choice. 

 
Then why you posting here?  You seem to know a lot about a guy you don't care about?
I know a lot about many things. 
 

I am not allowed to say I never understood how the guy had some weirdly popular podcast?  I was always like “why do people care about what Joe Rogan is saying?”  He caught a second life from UFC I guess.

 
I’d prefer to just not listen to Rogan despite whatever he or his guests are saying and while jokes are be made about Young here - the truth is Spotify is losing more out of this than everyone to the tune of 4 billion in market value since they made that choice. 
Not since they made that choice, since the beginning of the year and the market tanked.

 
It's a podcast. Isn't it assumed to be more opinion than facts? (and I don't agree with a lot of Rogan's views)

Also, how is this different than something like YouTube? 
I know that YouTube will add a disclaimer for controversial videos, and they'll pull videos (and/or ban users) for crossing certain lines of truthiness.

I have no idea if Spotify has a similar policy.

I do find it kind of funny (and sad at the same time) that "Listen to this Joe Rogan podcast!" has figuratively replaced "Watch this YouTube video!" as the rallying cry of the alternate facts crowd.

 
I’d prefer to just not listen to Rogan despite whatever he or his guests are saying and while jokes are be made about Young here - the truth is Spotify is losing more out of this than everyone to the tune of 4 billion in market value since they made that choice. 
That article is misleading in that it tries to have the reader see causation between the two events - but the truth is most stocks had similar drops during that time.

 
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massraider said:
Spotify lost $4 billion in market value this week after rock icon Neil Young called out the company for allowing comedian Joe Rogan to use its service to spread misinformation about the COVID vaccine on his popular podcast, “The Joe Rogan Experience.” 

As of Friday, Jan. 28, shares of Spotify were down about 12% from where they closed last week, according to data from Nasdaq. The hashtags #DeleteSpotify and #CancelSpotify also gained traction on social media, with many websites offering step-by-step instructions for users to remove the app from their devices.


Lol...so dumb. The entire tech market dropped by that amount. Has literally nothing to do with this. 

 
I need to get back to listening to the Rogan podcasts.   I used to listen to them a lot more when I was in the office.  Now that I'm wfh from home, too many other ways to kill time during work.   Only knock I had was they're so longwinded.   I just don't have the attention span to listen to 3 hours of him talkin.

 
jamny said:
Not since they made that choice, since the beginning of the year and the market tanked.
Sorry - my numbers were incorrect - it was 4 billion from the close of the prior week. From January 26 through January 28, Spotify has lost $2.1 billion in value, with shares dropping 6%. 

Yes you can argue the market as a whole was down but the Neil Young news definitely helped this drop. 

 
Lol...so dumb. The entire tech market dropped by that amount. Has literally nothing to do with this. 
To say the Neil Young news had nothing to do with this is disingenuous at best. Did it account for the entire 6% drop? Probably not but it definitely contributed to it. Time will tell though if other artists drop or subscriptions decrease.

Personally I use and love the service and will continue to do so. 

 
Sorry - my numbers were incorrect - it was 4 billion from the close of the prior week. From January 26 through January 28, Spotify has lost $2.1 billion in value, with shares dropping 6%. 

Yes you can argue the market as a whole was down but the Neil Young news definitely helped this drop. 
The recent stock action isn't based on actual subscription numbers. We'll see what they are when they announce earnings. Right now, it's the overall market and negative publicity. Wont mean anything if subs remain unchanged.

 
Sorry - my numbers were incorrect - it was 4 billion from the close of the prior week. From January 26 through January 28, Spotify has lost $2.1 billion in value, with shares dropping 6%. 

Yes you can argue the market as a whole was down but the Neil Young news definitely helped this drop. 


Damn...not good that Neil Yound can tank the market.

Wish I was 100% in Spotify last week based the performance of my portfolio.

 
Witz said:
I’d prefer to just not listen to Rogan despite whatever he or his guests are saying and while jokes are be made about Young here - the truth is Spotify is losing more out of this than everyone to the tune of 4 billion in market value since they made that choice. 


They did not make a choice, they were given an ultimatum/threat.  Their stock performance mirrors what the S&P 500 did and are performing better than most tech stocks during that time. 

 
Alex P Keaton said:
Neil Young's past comments about homosexuals and Aids were pretty terrible. Joni Mitchell had a whole gimmick where she appeared as a male, black pimp. 

However, Cancel culture is pretty selective when it comes to these things. 

 
I couldn’t name a Nils Lofgrin song.  It’s a great career move so somehow stay relevant 40 years after playing with Springsteen.

 
FairWarning said:
I couldn’t name a Nils Lofgrin song.  It’s a great career move so somehow stay relevant 40 years after playing with Springsteen.
I initially assumed this was a Spinal Tap band member and went looking for the link to the Onion or Babylon Bee.

 
I get a giggle out of the the hard lefties falling all over themselves foaming at the mouth wanting Rogan ruined now. Great times. 
Socially I probably lean slightly left, economically—I lean slightly right—and I can tell you that I have no desire to see Rogan ruined. I just enjoyed his podcast a lot better when it focused on a diversity of guests that were interesting outside of the world of politics. The last couple of years—I just feel drowned in politics and I used to love that his podcast was an interesting way to get a 2-3 hour relief from those politics every now and then. I felt like he was the king of the “non” or “slightly” political world—and now his podcast just seems like a political echo chamber of anti-California, anti-covid  stuff over and over again.  I’m clearly not the only one who feels this way.  My guess is that he’s probably losing viewers/listeners that used to listen to him because he was the answer to an overtly political world—and he’s probably replacing them with  people who lean right that  have an insatiable desire to entrench themselves in politics. 

 
FairWarning said:
I couldn’t name a Nils Lofgrin song.  It’s a great career move so somehow stay relevant 40 years after playing with Springsteen.


Nils joined Crazy Horse when he was teenager, and has played with NY off and on ever since, Including Youngs last album  

They have been life long friends, that's all this is. 

 
Listening to Rogan on like 2.5x speed helps.   But his show has gotten really boring since the pandy.  He ####ed up bad when he got it and saying he was on horse paste.  He keeps his mouth shut there and none of this happens. 

 
Listening to Rogan on like 2.5x speed helps.   But his show has gotten really boring since the pandy.  He ####ed up bad when he got it and saying he was on horse paste.  He keeps his mouth shut there and none of this happens. 
:doh:

Thats not all he was on and “horse paste” or ivermectin has been prescribed for like 100 years for other things besides when it is administered as a horse tranquilizer. It’s important to hear the whole message and not just focus on one word and have a trigger party.

 
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:doh:

Thats not all he was on and “horse paste” or ivermectin has been prescribed for like 100 years for other things besides when it is administered as a horse tranquilizer. It’s important to hear the whole message and not just focus on one word and have a trigger party.


It was beyond foolish to come out with the fact he was taking a common horse medicine.  Better?

As a PR move it was indefensible.  Had to know it would backfire.  

One easy to see downside of this is getting guests will be vastly more difficult. 

 
It was beyond foolish to come out with the fact he was taking a common horse medicine.  Better?

As a PR move it was indefensible.  Had to know it would backfire.  

One easy to see downside of this is getting guests will be vastly more difficult. 
This is kinda how the whole thing with CNN started which led to Rogan having Sanjay Gupta on which lead to a further ramp up of Rogan v CNN which has, in my opinion, lead us down the road to the spot we are at today.

Rogan hasn't had any issues I can see getting guests. 11 million people listen to his podcast. I don't care who you are, that kinda pub isn't just sitting out there for everybody.

Not saying I agree with Joe on his stance either. I don't but doesn't mean I don't listen to him and enjoy his podcasts. If you don't want to listen to his guest du jour, don't. It's not hard to not hit the play/skip button.

 
It was beyond foolish to come out with the fact he was taking a common horse medicine.  Better?

As a PR move it was indefensible.  Had to know it would backfire.  

One easy to see downside of this is getting guests will be vastly more difficult. 
I mean sure, but it’s like saying water is for horses so we shouldnt drink it….

Heres a few paragraphs from several sits which I linked below:

What is ivermectin?

Ivermectin is an anti-parasite medication used to treat parasitic diseases.

Ivermectin is an FDA approved drug for use in humans to treat a variety of parasitic infections including parasitic worms, hookworm and whipworm. It may also be used as an effective treatment for a wide range of other conditions and as a treatment of onchocerciasis, intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis or river blindness.

The antiviral activity of Ivermectin has been shown against a wide range of RNA and DNA viruses, for example, dengue, Zika, yellow fever, and others

Scientists who developed ivermectin won the Nobel Prize in Physiology and Medicine in 2015, when the foundation said the drug “revolutionized therapy for patients suffering from devastating parasitic diseases.”

In fact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends refugees coming to the United States from most parts of the world take ivermectin as a “presumptive therapy.”

There are few drugs that can seriously lay claim to the title of ‘Wonder drug’, penicillin and aspirin being two that have perhaps had greatest beneficial impact on the health and wellbeing of Mankind. But ivermectin can also be considered alongside those worthy contenders, based on its versatility, safety and the beneficial impact that it has had, and continues to have, worldwide—especially on hundreds of millions of the world’s poorest people. 

Link 1

Link 2

Link Wonder drug

 
There’s a ton of other Information out there but it requires you to think for yourself and not just parrot what you hear or read in headlines. Read further people. Don’t be lazy. 

 
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This is kinda how the whole thing with CNN started which led to Rogan having Sanjay Gupta on which lead to a further ramp up of Rogan v CNN which has, in my opinion, lead us down the road to the spot we are at today.

Rogan hasn't had any issues I can see getting guests. 11 million people listen to his podcast. I don't care who you are, that kinda pub isn't just sitting out there for everybody.

Not saying I agree with Joe on his stance either. I don't but doesn't mean I don't listen to him and enjoy his podcasts. If you don't want to listen to his guest du jour, don't. It's not hard to not hit the play/skip button.
I agree with everything except that I’m curious to which stance that Joe Rogan has that’s controversial or that you disagree with?

 
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:doh:

Thats not all he was on and “horse paste” or ivermectin has been prescribed for like 100 years for other things besides when it is administered as a horse tranquilizer. It’s important to hear the whole message and not just focus on one word and have a trigger party.


It was beyond foolish to come out with the fact he was taking a common horse medicine.  Better?

As a PR move it was indefensible.  Had to know it would backfire.  

One easy to see downside of this is getting guests will be vastly more difficult. 


I think its too early to say the events of this past week have backfired from Rogan's perspective. Its very likely this works to his great advantage over time.

 
I agree with everything except that I’m curious to which stance that Joe Rogan has that’s controversial or that you disagree with?
I'm a vax guy and don't have a problem saying everyone should get it. When it comes to kids, 5 and under, no but all the rest, go ahead and get the shot. That's my major veer off what Joe is saying. I'm all for investigating alternative treatments, anything to stick a fork in this thing but I don't think it's ever going to be a one size fits all solution. Vaccinations get us as close to that as possible IMO.

All that said, if you don't want to get vaccinated, I'm cool with that as well. My wife and one of my daughters aren't vaccinated. Your choice. I know some don't agree with that but it's my stance on the matter.

 
There are about 87 portions to the way i want to weigh in on this subject, but dont want to put myself in an advocacy position because i dont like the way most of y'all conduct discourse nor the way discourse is overseen on this platform. in the name of simplicity, then, i'll just make a few points:

- i'm a longtime listener of The Joe Rogan Experience and generally admire his "search". anyone with a brain in their head knows that there's more out there than what we are being fed and there is less out there than viewpoint advocates want to make of all of that. Rogan has generally balanced his guest & topic list better than most issue networks - broadcast and web - and i respect that.

- where he has usually lost me is in the kind of mastery narcissism common to people immersed in body disciplines - extreme fighting & fitness, generally. were i to have been born a generation later, i would still hope to be immune to the belief that finding the "perfect" distilled beverage, cosplay, collection, exercise regimen, shoe, body art, adventure sport, martial art, food/travel experience or other form of confabulatory identity exercise will convert my selfishness into transcendence. nonetheless, the pursuit is a clusterhug of inanity from my generational perspective (though i will stipulate that my gen initiated a lot of it). in Rogan's "building a perfect beast" of himself, he has embraced manymanymany radical views regarding health, physical and mental, over the decades which, while an even less abiding religion than the ones he seeks to replace, at least gives him some bonafides when discussing the frontiers of health, unlike some of the yobbos and yahoos out there, including some of his guests.

- what i have in common with Neil Young and Joni Mitchell is threefold - an utter mystification over how new information platforms are able to instantly legitimize nonsense with likes; a revulsion over how convertible Truth has become and a belief in the boycott - in voting with one's feet or pocketbook. I wont drink a Coors beer to this day, because of its labor practices 50 yrs ago (that it is a tailing pond in a bottle helps, too) and shopped as Fair Trade as i could long before there were labels to guide me. that society wont draw a line in the sand against Suckerdome - the hijacking of the political process, the insistence that anything is legit if anyone feels it is, the conversion of liberty into license - is anathema to each of us, an insult to the originality we sought in our time. I'm sure Mitchell & Young would rather take down more egregious purveyors, but this is one they can at least attempt to effect, due to the platform's negligence or malfeasance and the status of their respective catalogues (both of which would be far greater had they not kept their artistic integrity as a prime motive). it's gotta start somewhere. find your somewhere and give it your humble best.

 
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I do wonder if eventually it becomes more apparent that Spotify pays music artists basically nothing, yet are ok just emptying the bank for a podcast.   

 
Listening to Rogan on like 2.5x speed helps.   But his show has gotten really boring since the pandy.  He ####ed up bad when he got it and saying he was on horse paste.  He keeps his mouth shut there and none of this happens. 


Nah, the timeline of Joe becoming a Covid nutter goes something like this:

-In May or June of 2020 Joe goes off during a fight companion (I think it was the last one he did) with a bunch of comedians about a waiter who was wearing a mask.  The guy was a fan and Joe called him a ##### for masking up (like he has a choice in the matter).  This was at some expensive steak house.  

-Then in the period between then and when he caught Covid he mostly downplayed it, calling it "just a flu".  I say mostly because Michael Yo got it REAL bad and Joe talked about that but forgot after a few days and back to shrugging it off.  

-THEN he caught Covid and "Threw the kitchen sink at it". Which many saw as hypocritical because he was swearing up and down taking vitamin D and eating right would prevent it, along with "heat shock proteins" from the sauna.  But then he went and got the "horse paste" and the rest of the sink that your average Joe could never afford.  

-Then the media skewed his story by exaggerating his pics and referring to ivermectin as horse paste and that really started his motor to get all self righteous about the whole shebang.  

The 200m Spotify deal also brought a magnifying glass on anything he did.   But I think all this publicity is awesome for him and think he would hit the moon if Spotify dumped him.

 
The 200m Spotify deal also brought a magnifying glass on anything he did.   But I think all this publicity is awesome for him and think he would hit the moon if Spotify dumped him.


The terms of Rogan's deal have never been made public.  The $100M figure that gets thrown around a lot is based on a single WSJ article that claimed the contract could reach nine figures if bonuses for listener and subscriber metrics were reached.  It's also unclear how long Spotify has exclusivity for so the annual number is likely to be less.

He's very well paid, especially for a podcaster, but $200M is on the high side for the Spotify deal.  Of course Rogan also has other revenue sources.

 
- where he has usually lost me is in the kind of mastery narcissism common to people immersed in body disciplines - extreme fighting & fitness, generally. were i to have been born a generation later, i would still hope to be immune to the belief that finding the "perfect" distilled beverage, cosplay, exercise regimen, shoe, body art, adventure, martial art, food/travel experience or other form of confabulatory identity experience will convert my selfishness into transcendence.


You turn a phrase very nicely.  Always a pleasure to read.  Captures my contempt of the "emphatic-man and his hooting disciples" phenomenon.

I will add that mastery narcissism inevitably meets its nemesis in the form of late-middle-age, and Rogan is nearing that precipice.  Good luck mastering that ish.  Maybe he will be the first.

 
You turn a phrase very nicely.  Always a pleasure to read.  Captures my contempt of the "emphatic-man and his hooting disciples" phenomenon.

I will add that mastery narcissism inevitably meets its nemesis in the form of late-middle-age, and Rogan is nearing that precipice.  Good luck mastering that ish.  Maybe he will be the first.
nice turn-o'-phrase yo'sef - ima lift that emphatic-man and put it u against "empathic" for pathetic purposes...

mastery will be the death of us. we can have it one of two ways - subjugate a portion of the population (as we have with slaves, women, immigrants) and act however we want or give everyone a chance but require each of us to be good (cuz that's the only way it works). i thought the latter was the natural progression of mankind in the America i was born to and was proud to be part of a system that more or less worked if everyone at least tried to be citizens and valued humility more than hubris. subjugate a portion of ourselves for the public good

but, no - we went with turning this great nation into Black Friday @ Target. grab everything you can, be more proud of what you get away with than what you give and seek difference instead of commonality with your neighbors. and then, when it starts to look crashy, blame it on the upstarts you allowed to catch up to you and look for a leader who brings out your inner pitchfork.

now, how we spend has more identity in it than who we are. combine that with the other side of the coin - those who believe victimhood absolves incompetence - add those who'd rather have an excuse than a reason and them pink-haired insisters that everyone must not only accept but embrace anydamthing they decide to be and we've turned the Great Experiment into today's catch of the Morality Trawler, flipping, flopping, slapping & gasping for last chances in the net before being dumped into the hold.

what was the question?

 
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wikkidpissah said:
- where he has usually lost me is in the kind of mastery narcissism common to people immersed in body disciplines - extreme fighting & fitness, generally. were i to have been born a generation later, i would still hope to be immune to the belief that finding the "perfect" distilled beverage, cosplay, exercise regimen, shoe, body art, adventure, martial art, food/travel experience or other form of confabulatory identity experience will convert my selfishness into transcendence. nonetheless, the pursuit is a clusterhug of inanity from my generational perspective (though i will stipulate that my gen initiated a lot of it). in Rogan's "building a perfect beast" of himself, he has embraced manymanymany radical views regarding health, physical and mental, over the decades which, while an even less abiding religion than the ones he seeks to replace, at least gives him some bonafides when discussing the frontiers of health, unlike some of the yobbos and yahoos out there, including some of his guests.
This is a great point, one that I had considered before. I wonder how much of Rogan's narcissistic "workout bro" persona is manifested in his dalliance with Covidian pseudoscience.

 

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