The Johan Santana rumor mill (3 Viewers)

[Deranged Hermit]

In all seriousness, if the Mets don't sign Santana, I'm done with them. If you're not willing to give him the $$$ he wants, don't trade for him and get the fans hopes up.

That being said, I think there's less than a 10% chance of Santana going back to the Twins because he couldn't get a deal to his liking.

 

[Koya]

In all seriousness, if the Mets don't sign Santana, I'm done with them. If you're not willing to give him the $$$ he wants, don't trade for him and get the fans hopes up.That being said, I think there's less than a 10% chance of Santana going back to the Twins because he couldn't get a deal to his liking.

Yesterday I was of the same mind as you are. However, say Santana is being unreasonable because he feels the Mets have no choice - I am willing to overspend for him, but not 7 years at 25 Mill guaranteed. In that case, the RIGHT thing to do is say thanks but no thanks and go on from there. Now, if it were a case of the mets not willing to go to a 6th year, I would have a BIG issue.Regardless, both sides need to get this done. I dont see another team giving Santana what he is asking, so what good would it do him to leave. In addition, it seems that Santana may have wanted to go to the Mets all along according to Torii Hunter and others. This will get done. But its the mets - they won't make it easy.

 

[RBM]

In all seriousness, if the Mets don't sign Santana, I'm done with them. If you're not willing to give him the $$$ he wants, don't trade for him and get the fans hopes up.

I really wanted to avoid any of this news. I just wanted to hear the deal is done. Now I gotta get disgusted and worried.

 

[ooofffaaa]

I have no doubt in my mind this will drag on until 5:00 tomorrow.

It will get done - this is just the art of negotiations. There is a TON to discuss. Take a look at Beltrans contact for example:

signed 7-year deal worth 119M on 1/11/05 - he receives an 11M signing bonus: 5M paid as soon as the commissioner’s office formally approves the contract and the the other 6M in installments of 2M on June 15, 2005, Jan. 15, 2006 and Jan. 15, 2007 (w/ no taxes applied) - + he receives salaries of 10M in 2005, 12M in both 2006 and 2007 and 18.5M in 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 - + 8.5M each year in 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 is deferred at 1.7175% compounded interest - + the 22M in deferred salary will be paid out over the 7 years after the contract expires: installments of $3,142,857 each July 1st starting in 2012 with the last being on July 1st, 2018 - + he can earn award bonuses: 500K for MVP award and 1M for a second MVP then 1.5M for third and all MVP awards thereafter; 200K for 2nd thru 5th place MVP voting finish; 100K for an All-Star selection; 100K for receiving the most All-Star votes in the league; 100K for being named a Postseason All-Star or player of the year; 250K for WS MVP; 150K for LCS MVP; 100K per Gold Glove and 100K per Silver Slugger; 100K for Hank Aaron Award - + bonuses he has earned: 100K for 2005 All-Star selection, $100K for 2006 Gold Glove, $100K for 2006 silver slugger, $200K for 2006 NL MVP fourth place finish, $100K for 2007 All-Star - + the deal includes a full No-Trade clause - + he receives a personal pitching machine from the team - + some traveling costs for his family is paid by the team - + he receives the best available 15-person luxury suite at all home games, including the post-season, though he must pay for post-season tickets - + he receives a Hotel Suite when on the road - + the team will lease him a conditioned ocular (eye) enhancer machine (a device that throws colored, numbered tennis balls to batters at 150 mph or faster) - + will contribute 150K annually to a charity of his choice and 150K annually to charity of club’s choice - + the team has agreed not to offer him arbitration when he becomes a Free Agent after the contract expires in 2011 (meaning the team must decide whether or not to re-sign him by Dec. 7th, 2011) - + the Player’s Association values the deal at $115,726,946, using a 6 percent discount rate (the prime rate plus 1 percent, rounded to the nearest whole number) and MLB values the deal at $116,695,898 for the purposes of the luxury tax, which currently uses a 3.62 percent discount rate

Agent: Scott Boras

 

[Koya]

I have no doubt in my mind this will drag on until 5:00 tomorrow.

The will extend the deadline and something will leak out on Sat/Sunday with a press conference on Tuesday - AFTER the Superbowl and the monday after the Superbowl where the announcement would not get press.Get your :tums: ready.

 

[shadyridr]

When has one of these trades ever been done and the two parties dont agree on a contract? I dont remember it ever happening. (Not counting ARod cuz the union rejected that contract)

 

[Koya]

When has one of these trades ever been done and the two parties dont agree on a contract? I dont remember it ever happening. (Not counting ARod cuz the union rejected that contract)

I would agree. Mets fans are used to getting burned/disappointed/on-upped. But Santana has as much to lose as the Mets here. They both need to get this done, and both (reportedly ) WANT to get this done. It will get done.

 

[ooofffaaa]

Give the man what he wants.

If the Mets do not sign Santana they will waste 40-60 million with bad contracts trying to replace him.

 

[Koya]

Give the man what he wants.If the Mets do not sign Santana they will waste 40-60 million with bad contracts trying to replace him.

At the same time, what are Santana's options if this falls through (and it wont. This deal will get done).

 

[ooofffaaa]

Mets close:

Quote:

The Mets, according to a high-ranking official privy to the negotiations, are close to agreeing to a five- or six-year contract extension with Santana that will average about $21.5 million a year. The two sides have until 5 p.m. ET Friday to reach an agreement

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/20...pdate-mlb_N.htm

 

[Koya]

According to Jon Heyman at SI.com, although the Mets and Johan Santana’s agents are roughly $20 million apart on the total value of the deal, “high-ranking baseball people believe the deal is all but certain to get done” before tomorrow’s 5 pm deadline.

…as i suggested was the case roughly an hour or so ago, heyman writes that the offer is at or around $21.5 million per year for six years – on top of the money he is guaranteed in 2008 - bringing the total package to $142.25 million…

So they are one year or 3.5 Mill/year apart. Neither side is going to walk away this close... expect a split of the different ie. 2 mill more per season but not the extra season, or some relatively easy (if healthy) incentives to trigger an additional year.

 

[428143]

Johan has them by the balls, and he and his agent know it. This contract isn't going to be pretty...

 

[guru_007]

The folks who should have felt like idiots Tuesday were John Henry, Theo Epstein, Hank Steinbrenner and Brian Cashman, because they allowed their Red Sox and their Yankees to sit on the sideline as the Mets stole Santana.The Red Sox could have surrounded center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury with some nobodies, and the Yankees could have done the same with pitcher Phil Hughes, and beat out the Mets for Santana.The Red Sox chose to hoard Ellsbury, a lefthanded hitter who looked good for a month, rather than make themselves odds-on favorites to repeat as World Series champions.The Yankees chose to hoard Hughes, a righthanded control pitcher who can throw hard enough to break a pane of glass, rather than put themselves back in position to overtake the Red Sox in the East Division and the American League.Minneapolis Star & Tribune story.I agree the Yankees and Red Sox were shorted in this deal as much as the Twins.Mets got a good deal, and maybe punched their ticket to a championship

This is rich.Yeah, the Red Sox and Yankees are the real idiots here. The Red Sox just won the WS, and have basically the same team back. The Yankees were in the playoffs last year.Neither team had to part with any of their prized prospects, nor (and more importantly) did they have to deal with Santana's outlandish salary demands, thus hamstringing them from further fa acquisitions. Plus, Santana goes to a different league altogether, so neither team will have to worry about him until possibly the world series.Yep, Yankees and Red Sox are certainly not capable of running their organization. The only idiot I see her is the writer for the Minneapolis Star & Tribune. Can't wait to see how many awards this guy has won for his star editorials.

 

[ooofffaaa]

ATT: Mets fans

T - 5.5 hours

If for some reason this deal does not get done Mets fans will meet at Shea stadium at 5:30 today

Pitchforks & torches will be supplied in the parking lot.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

ATT: Mets fansT - 5.5 hoursIf for some reason this deal does not get done Mets fans will meet at Shea stadium at 5:30 todayPitchforks & torches will be supplied in the parking lot.

If they don't sign Santana well, my father said he has a nice shiny new Phillies cap he'll give me......

 

[Tom Servo]

ATT: Mets fans

T - 5.5 hours

If for some reason this deal does not get done Mets fans will meet at Shea stadium at 5:30 today

Pitchforks & torches will be supplied in the parking lot.

One Indian fan celebrates because the market for CC Sabathia will not yet be set and maintain my faint hopes the Tribe retains him.

No offense Met fans, but FIXED.

 

[RBM]

ATT: Mets fansT - 5.5 hoursIf for some reason this deal does not get done Mets fans will meet at Shea stadium at 5:30 todayPitchforks & torches will be supplied in the parking lot.

Im ready to go

 

[428143]

This will get done, both sides are playing on hell of a game of chicken at this point...

 

[ooofffaaa]

According to 1050 ESPN Radio’s Andrew Marchand, LHP Johan Santana will likely make some small concessions in his contract negotiations because he wants to be a Met.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Typical Mets.Nothing is ever easy and it looks like we have a Freddy Coupon sighting.

Huh? Santana is looking for a guaranteed SEVENTH year. I can't blame that on Freddy. I think this is all Minaya, and I think both sides have too much to gain and too much to lose not to get this done.As I noted, what would Santana's options be if the Mets dont sign him? A miserable time trying to get re-traded when the Yanks bowed out , the Sox didnt step to the plate, and no other team, including those to, seem willing to pay even what the Mets would offer.

Pitching the year in Minnesota and then test the Free Agent market?

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

If I'm the Mets, I do this deal WITHOUT a contract. They are stealing him for a song, what do they have to lose?

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

If I'm the Mets, I do this deal WITHOUT a contract. They are stealing him for a song, what do they have to lose?

He probably doesn't waive his no trade in that case.

 

[ooofffaaa]

SI.com’s Jon Heyman reports, citing ’sources with familiar with the talks,’ that the Mets and LHP Johan Santana are discussing a six-year contract which would pay him roughly $22 million a year.

According to the report, it is believed the Mets may add about $7 million to Santana’s $13.25 million salary for 2008.

Factoring in the additional salary for 2008, the contract could total $152 million.

Heyman cites ‘people with knowledge of the talks’ as saying they expect a deal to be completed before today’s 5 p.m. EST deadline.

 

[PC Load Letter]

SI.com’s Jon Heyman reports, citing ’sources with familiar with the talks,’ that the Mets and LHP Johan Santana are discussing a six-year contract which would pay him roughly $22 million a year.According to the report, it is believed the Mets may add about $7 million to Santana’s $13.25 million salary for 2008.Factoring in the additional salary for 2008, the contract could total $152 million.Heyman cites ‘people with knowledge of the talks’ as saying they expect a deal to be completed before today’s 5 p.m. EST deadline.

Tick tock.

 

[RBM]

Im hearing rumblings that the deadline will be extended a bit.

 

[RBM]

Feb 1, 2008 3:53 pm - Read: Davidoff Reiterates Signing Imminent...posted by Regis Courtemanche...In an article for Newsday, Ken Davidoff repeats the news that the Mets are close to signing Johan Santana.…i know it seems like the site is on loop, but hopefully some real news breaks soon…patience mets fans, patience…

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Feb 1, 2008 3:53 pm - Read: Davidoff Reiterates Signing Imminent...posted by Regis Courtemanche...In an article for Newsday, Ken Davidoff repeats the news that the Mets are close to signing Johan Santana.…i know it seems like the site is on loop, but hopefully some real news breaks soon…patience mets fans, patience…

#### patience, get him in a Mets uniform.....

 

[Knightro]

If I'm the Mets, I do this deal WITHOUT a contract. They are stealing him for a song, what do they have to lose?

They have 3 pitchers that will be FA's after this season. If they do this deal w/o guaranteeing they get to keep him, they have 2 huge holes to fill on the rotation with nothing in house to fill them with. Pelfrey gets one spot, Humber and Mulvey are next on the pecking order.

 

[Dreamer]

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Two hour extension granted. Must be really close.

 

[Koya]

They actually meant 5 PM MOUNTAIN time. No worries.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Sounds like it might be a 7 year deal with an 8 year option. That's going to be ugly. :wallbang:

 

[Koya]

Sounds like it might be a 7 year deal with an 8 year option. That's going to be ugly. :wallbang:

That would not make me happy if we are talking 170 Mill+ or something stupid. Seriously, even as a teased Mets fan, if he wanted 160 Mill+, especially 165+, I would not have a problem with the Mets calling his bluff. Again, Santana has a lot to lose (potentially, and relatively speaking) if he leaves say 155 Mill on the table, ESPECIALLY if he truly "wants to" be a Met.At this point it is really looking like greed from Santana's side more than the Mets unwilling to get something done. That said, it will get done.

 

[ooofffaaa]

Metsblog has just reported that dinner has been delivered to the negotiating room.

They have to be real close to getting this done.

 

[Koya]

Metsblog has just reported that dinner has been delivered to the negotiating room.They have to be real close to getting this done.

Any word on what they are eating?Johan into Chinese? My guess it it's hard to come by good Chinese in Minny. Pizza? Deli? We want details.

 

[ooofffaaa]

Metsblog has just reported that dinner has been delivered to the negotiating room.They have to be real close to getting this done.

Any word on what they are eating?Johan into Chinese? My guess it it's hard to come by good Chinese in Minny. Pizza? Deli? We want details.

They didn't specify. How the hell are they getting this info anyway is my question.

 

[Koya]

BTW, it's Pizza for me. GB NY pizza.

20 Min until 5:00 Mountain time. Santana is IN the room. They are eating DINNER. If this collapses, its going to suck for everyone involved bigtime, which is why they need to wrap it up already.

 

[Koya]

Internal Error on Metsblog...

SOMETHING'S HAPPENING.

 

[ooofffaaa]

Per metsblog.com

…Update…6:38 pm…

…the deal is done…

…d…o…n…e…

Johan Santana is scheduled to have a physical tomorrow…



I need more beer

Welcome to NY Johan !!!

 

[Eephus]

BTW, it's Pizza for me. GB NY pizza.20 Min until 5:00 Mountain time. Santana is IN the room. They are eating DINNER. If this collapses, its going to suck for everyone involved bigtime, which is why they need to wrap it up already.

If Johan shares a bowl w/ Koya, it's a done deal

 

[pillowpants]

Sounds like it might be a 7 year deal with an 8 year option. That's going to be ugly. :wallbang:

He's the best pitcher in the game. The Mets biggest need is an ace at the top of the rotation. The Wilpon's have money to burn ESPECIALLY with the new stadium opening next year.You are coming off the worst choke job in the history of the sport, and you're fans are demanding for this.Give him 7 years. IT'S ONLY MONEY!!!!!

 

[Koya]

BTW, it's Pizza for me. GB NY pizza.20 Min until 5:00 Mountain time. Santana is IN the room. They are eating DINNER. If this collapses, its going to suck for everyone involved bigtime, which is why they need to wrap it up already.

If Johan shares a bowl w/ Koya, it's a done deal

He might have about 160 Million more dollars than I do, but he won't find a better bowl. Plus, pizza is only 15 min. away.

 

[Koya]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3226412

NEW YORK -- Johan Santana and the New York Mets completed contract negotiations Friday, the last major step needed to finalize the team's blockbuster trade with Minnesota.

After the sides were granted an extra two hours to work on a deal, they finished negotiations before the new 7 p.m. EST deadline. The pitcher is scheduled to take a physical, the Mets said.

 

[ooofffaaa]

The Mets locked up Santana for the next seven years, signing him to a six-year, $137.5 million extension on top of the final year of his current deal, which is valued at $13.25 million. The total value of the package is $150.75 million, making his new average salary more than $21.5 million — a record for a pitcher on a long-term contract.

 

[pillowpants]

The Mets locked up Santana for the next seven years, signing him to a six-year, $137.5 million extension on top of the final year of his current deal, which is valued at $13.25 million. The total value of the package is $150.75 million, making his new average salary more than $21.5 million — a record for a pitcher on a long-term contract.

In before the "it's not fair, blah,blah,blah"

 

[Koya]

1. Santana

2. Pedro (and you should rest him often now)

3. Maine

4. Perez

5. See what works (Pelfrey, El Duque, someone else)

If Duaner Sanchez can get back to even 90% of his great season a year ago and Heilmann doesnt choke we are really, really in business.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The Mets locked up Santana for the next seven years, signing him to a six-year, $137.5 million extension on top of the final year of his current deal, which is valued at $13.25 million. The total value of the package is $150.75 million, making his new average salary more than $21.5 million — a record for a pitcher on a long-term contract.

If he stays healthy I'm pretty sure they'll get their money's worth.

 

[Koya]

The Mets locked up Santana for the next seven years, signing him to a six-year, $137.5 million extension on top of the final year of his current deal, which is valued at $13.25 million. The total value of the package is $150.75 million, making his new average salary more than $21.5 million — a record for a pitcher on a long-term contract.

In before the "it's not fair, blah,blah,blah"

I guess the sticking point is Santana wanted that last year guaranteed, because the money - just over 150 - is not close to the craziness of 170, or 190 which I actually heard tossed about.

 

[pillowpants]

The Mets locked up Santana for the next seven years, signing him to a six-year, $137.5 million extension on top of the final year of his current deal, which is valued at $13.25 million. The total value of the package is $150.75 million, making his new average salary more than $21.5 million — a record for a pitcher on a long-term contract.

In before the "it's not fair, blah,blah,blah"

I guess the sticking point is Santana wanted that last year guaranteed, because the money - just over 150 - is not close to the craziness of 170, or 190 which I actually heard tossed about.

Good point.I wonder if the Twins would have extended him for 6 years at $20million/per if he would have signed.

 

[Koya]

The Mets locked up Santana for the next seven years, signing him to a six-year, $137.5 million extension on top of the final year of his current deal, which is valued at $13.25 million. The total value of the package is $150.75 million, making his new average salary more than $21.5 million — a record for a pitcher on a long-term contract.

In before the "it's not fair, blah,blah,blah"

I guess the sticking point is Santana wanted that last year guaranteed, because the money - just over 150 - is not close to the craziness of 170, or 190 which I actually heard tossed about.

Good point.I wonder if the Twins would have extended him for 6 years at $20million/per if he would have signed.

I think it was time for him to move on. A bigger stage and perhaps a perceived better chance to win over the long haul (fair or not). The Mets certainly have more resources than all but a few teams. You then take into account New York which, if you don't mind the pressure (or even like it) has a lot to offer Santana as it does many players of foreign decent. Plus, he apparantly really wanted to hit, so the NL was something that apparantly appealed to Santana.Plus, a great receiver at catcher, solid D up the infield and Carlos Beltran patrolling center for a flyball pitcher at Shea (for this year)... this is a wonderful fit.