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[RamMan]

Many Keeper Leagues allow only one or two players to be kept from year to year. In my main league we have a requirement that any keeper must have been on that owner's roster by the trade deadline of the prior year. With many league's trade deadlines fast approaching, which "backup" or role RB's have the best chance to emerge as "primary" guys next season and therefore - in Keeper leagues - should be targeted for trade now? In order of likelihood, here are my choices:

Daryl Richardson

Jacquizz Rodgers

Andre Brown/David Wilson

Chris Ivory

Vick Ballard

Ronnie Hillman

Ryan Williams (again?)

Agree or disagree? Are there any others I've overlooked?

 

[scothawk]

Rodgers hasnt done enough. I think Atlanta goes RB early in April. Unless the lgihts come one before season end, i am going to be avoiding this situation. Dynasty hold/sell.

I like Wilson a little more than Brown. Depends really on Bradshaw.

Ivory is stuck in a messy RBBC. We wont know until the off season if this will change.

Ballard just looks like a guy to me.

Hillman I like.

In sumamry I would be all over Richardson and Tillman at the right price.

 

[dewmass]

He;s been better the past couple of weeks but I just don't see Quizz as a primary back. Ivory/Ingram are stuck in terrible situations and either one needs to be traded to give both of them a chance.

For me the two that most stand out are Ingram and Spiller (who isn't on your list but I think applies to the this question), I've just traded for Spiller before his value goes any higher but think I've missed the boat on Ingram.

 

[RamMan]

Rodgers hasnt done enough. I think Atlanta goes RB early in April. Unless the lgihts come one before season end, i am going to be avoiding this situation. Dynasty hold/sell.I like Wilson a little more than Brown. Depends really on Bradshaw.Ivory is stuck in a messy RBBC. We wont know until the off season if this will change.Ballard just looks like a guy to me.Hillman I like.In sumamry I would be all over Richardson and Tillman at the right price.

I watched most of the ATL/NO game and was impressed with Rodgers. Granted it was against NO, but to my eye he looked more decisive and confident than I've seen him in the past. Maybe the light is turing on. He's a perfect fit for that offense - maybe not as a bell cow but I could see him emerge as a 60% snap guy - a la Charles (and I'm not suggesting he's anywhere as talented). If Ivory keeps performing as he is now, that messy RBBC just may shake out by next season. To my eyes, he's clearly the most talented 2-down back on that team - and I'm not sure it's even close. Prior to this season I would have put Kendal Hunter on that list but Gore just keeps getting better and better - quite amazing really.

 

[RamMan]

He;s been better the past couple of weeks but I just don't see Quizz as a primary back. Ivory/Ingram are stuck in terrible situations and either one needs to be traded to give both of them a chance. For me the two that most stand out are Ingram and Spiller (who isn't on your list but I think applies to the this question), I've just traded for Spiller before his value goes any higher but think I've missed the boat on Ingram.

Personally I think Ivory has looked a lot better than Ingram, although it seems that the NO brass still needs to justify that #1 pick and will likely keep him in the mix. Spiller is immensely talented (and I agree he should be in this discussion) but Jackson also looked very good today - apart from the fumble at the 1 - and still has a lot of tread on the tires. And I think Gailey loves him. The way I see it Jackson would have to leave town for Spiller to become "the man" - I don't think Spiller will put him on the bench.

 

[voiceofunreason]

He;s been better the past couple of weeks but I just don't see Quizz as a primary back. Ivory/Ingram are stuck in terrible situations and either one needs to be traded to give both of them a chance. For me the two that most stand out are Ingram and Spiller (who isn't on your list but I think applies to the this question), I've just traded for Spiller before his value goes any higher but think I've missed the boat on Ingram.

Personally I think Ivory has looked a lot better than Ingram, although it seems that the NO brass still needs to justify that #1 pick and will likely keep him in the mix. Spiller is immensely talented (and I agree he should be in this discussion) but Jackson also looked very good today - apart from the fumble at the 1 - and still has a lot of tread on the tires. And I think Gailey loves him. The way I see it Jackson would have to leave town for Spiller to become "the man" - I don't think Spiller will put him on the bench.

#1 Gailey will be fired #2 Spiller shouldn't be going cheap in keeper leagues and has nothing in common with the players like Ivory#3 Fred Jackson will be 32 next year.Other than that....

 

[Papa Georgio]

He;s been better the past couple of weeks but I just don't see Quizz as a primary back. Ivory/Ingram are stuck in terrible situations and either one needs to be traded to give both of them a chance. For me the two that most stand out are Ingram and Spiller (who isn't on your list but I think applies to the this question), I've just traded for Spiller before his value goes any higher but think I've missed the boat on Ingram.

Personally I think Ivory has looked a lot better than Ingram, although it seems that the NO brass still needs to justify that #1 pick and will likely keep him in the mix. Spiller is immensely talented (and I agree he should be in this discussion) but Jackson also looked very good today - apart from the fumble at the 1 - and still has a lot of tread on the tires. And I think Gailey loves him. The way I see it Jackson would have to leave town for Spiller to become "the man" - I don't think Spiller will put him on the bench.

#1 Gailey will be fired #2 Spiller shouldn't be going cheap in keeper leagues and has nothing in common with the players like Ivory#3 Fred Jackson will be 32 next year.Other than that....

Spiller owner but I am one that thinks Spiller will always be in a committee. I also think long term it is best for him. I do however think at some point he should get closer to 20 touches than the 10 he gets now.Love Jackson but on the play he fumbled on he looked so slow and sluggish compared to Spiller.

 

[dewmass]

He;s been better the past couple of weeks but I just don't see Quizz as a primary back. Ivory/Ingram are stuck in terrible situations and either one needs to be traded to give both of them a chance.

For me the two that most stand out are Ingram and Spiller (who isn't on your list but I think applies to the this question), I've just traded for Spiller before his value goes any higher but think I've missed the boat on Ingram.

Personally I think Ivory has looked a lot better than Ingram, although it seems that the NO brass still needs to justify that #1 pick and will likely keep him in the mix. Spiller is immensely talented (and I agree he should be in this discussion) but Jackson also looked very good today - apart from the fumble at the 1 - and still has a lot of tread on the tires. And I think Gailey loves him. The way I see it Jackson would have to leave town for Spiller to become "the man" - I don't think Spiller will put him on the bench.

#1 Gailey will be fired #2 Spiller shouldn't be going cheap in keeper leagues and has nothing in common with the players like Ivory

#3 Fred Jackson will be 32 next year.

Other than that....

Agree and I had to pay to get him, but I think he's relatively cheap compared to his future value because there are owners out there who share the opinions stated above.

 

[jsharlan]

I still don't know what NO was thinking by not trading Ivory before the deadline. They have 4 RB with talent and Cadet isn't terrible either. What a waste.

 

[letter_j]

I still don't know what NO was thinking by not trading Ivory before the deadline. They have 4 RB with talent and Cadet isn't terrible either. What a waste.

We've been over this before: Very few trades occur during the regular season, and further GM Loomis was suspended until after the trade deadline passed. Why would the Saints make changes to the roster without Loomis (and Sean Payton as well, who no doubt has a lot to say about personnel)??

 

[lod01]

I could see the Falcons signing either DeAngelo when he gets cut or Reggie Bush to pair with Rodgers.

 

[BallparkFrank]

I still don't know what NO was thinking by not trading Ivory before the deadline. They have 4 RB with talent and Cadet isn't terrible either. What a waste.

Why would they want to trade their best all-around RB for peanuts? If you want to question anything, I don't know what NO was thinking by not activating Ivory for the first 7 weeks. The Saints have major salary cap issues, re-signing Ivory could be a real long shot financially and there are teams out there like Atlanta that would love to better their team and cripple their greatest rival with a single transaction. It will be a very interesting offseason for the Saints RB's.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Many Keeper Leagues allow only one or two players to be kept from year to year. In my main league we have a requirement that any keeper must have been on that owner's roster by the trade deadline of the prior year. With many league's trade deadlines fast approaching, which "backup" or role RB's have the best chance to emerge as "primary" guys next season and therefore - in Keeper leagues - should be targeted for trade now? In order of likelihood, here are my choicesaryl Richardson Jacquizz Rodgers Andre Brown/David Wilson Chris IvoryVick BallardRonnie HillmanRyan Williams (again?)Agree or disagree? Are there any others I've overlooked?

Daryl Richardson: They have so little invested in him. I own him but I think at best it will be a 2 back system with him and Pead in the COP role. I could see Richardson getting 15-18 carries a game, he sure has earned a shot. Fisher spent a lot of picks on RB/WR in the last draft, I imagine he would like to spend more on the defense. I also think if you get a decent offer for him you should take it, the tea leaves are murky and I believe Fisher will go out and also bring in a veteran that will make Richardson owners groan at some point. Rodgers: He just is not an every down back that much is obvious. At best he is about 6-8 carries, 3-5 catches a game, lot of mouths to feed in this offense. Another RB will be brought in to replace Turner, ROdgers is not replacing Turner in the offense, no way. Brown/Wilson: More of the same, Wilson will get more chances, Bradshaw could be released, then again they all could be brought back and we are right back where we started. Chris Ivory: Love him but look at this past week, guy rips a 56 yd TD in the 1st Q and then doesn't even get 5 carries for the game. Limited upside. Vick Ballard: Colts will upgrade the position. Ronnie Hillman: Yes and noRyan Williams: As long as that OL is terrible I am not interested. Good thread idea

 

[RamMan]

Many Keeper Leagues allow only one or two players to be kept from year to year. In my main league we have a requirement that any keeper must have been on that owner's roster by the trade deadline of the prior year. With many league's trade deadlines fast approaching, which "backup" or role RB's have the best chance to emerge as "primary" guys next season and therefore - in Keeper leagues - should be targeted for trade now? In order of likelihood, here are my choicesaryl Richardson Jacquizz Rodgers Andre Brown/David Wilson Chris IvoryVick BallardRonnie HillmanRyan Williams (again?)Agree or disagree? Are there any others I've overlooked?

Daryl Richardson: They have so little invested in him. I own him but I think at best it will be a 2 back system with him and Pead in the COP role. I could see Richardson getting 15-18 carries a game, he sure has earned a shot. Fisher spent a lot of picks on RB/WR in the last draft, I imagine he would like to spend more on the defense. I also think if you get a decent offer for him you should take it, the tea leaves are murky and I believe Fisher will go out and also bring in a veteran that will make Richardson owners groan at some point. Rodgers: He just is not an every down back that much is obvious. At best he is about 6-8 carries, 3-5 catches a game, lot of mouths to feed in this offense. Another RB will be brought in to replace Turner, ROdgers is not replacing Turner in the offense, no way. Brown/Wilson: More of the same, Wilson will get more chances, Bradshaw could be released, then again they all could be brought back and we are right back where we started. Chris Ivory: Love him but look at this past week, guy rips a 56 yd TD in the 1st Q and then doesn't even get 5 carries for the game. Limited upside. Vick Ballard: Colts will upgrade the position. Ronnie Hillman: Yes and noRyan Williams: As long as that OL is terrible I am not interested. Good thread idea

So, you don't foresee any part-time or backup RB taking over a full-time gig on their current team next season?

 

[BallparkFrank]

Chris Ivory: Love him but look at this past week, guy rips a 56 yd TD in the 1st Q and then doesn't even get 5 carries for the game. Limited upside.

Limited upside? This may be the only RB mentioned in this thread that has speed, power, vision and quickness. If you want to call it a bad situation, fine, but limited upside is just plain crazy talk with all due respect.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

There are at least three or four RBs who'll hit the market this off-season that would be an upgrade over many of the backups listed here.

 

[RamMan]

There are at least three or four RBs who'll hit the market this off-season that would be an upgrade over many of the backups listed here.

Good point. So let's name them:SJaxDWillpossibly Bradshaw?Who else you got?

 

[zamboni]

Vick Ballard: Colts will upgrade the position. Ryan Williams: As long as that OL is terrible I am not interested.

Agree on Ballard/Colts - I think Arians could bring Mendenhall (UFA) on board.As for the Cards, no reason they can't bolster the OL in the offseason. I think the bigger question is whether it will be Wells, Williams or someone else entirely as the guy.

 

[cstu]

Chris Ivory: Love him but look at this past week, guy rips a 56 yd TD in the 1st Q and then doesn't even get 5 carries for the game. Limited upside.

Limited upside? This may be the only RB mentioned in this thread that has speed, power, vision and quickness. If you want to call it a bad situation, fine, but limited upside is just plain crazy talk with all due respect.

Ivory is very talented but it boils down to - as it has his entire college and pro career - his health. He's going to move on to what has to be a better situation but it will be as a backup. With that said he's a great lottery ticket in case he goes to a good situation and the starter gets hurt.

 

[BallparkFrank]

There are at least three or four RBs who'll hit the market this off-season that would be an upgrade over many of the backups listed here.

Good point. So let's name them:SJaxDWillpossibly Bradshaw?Who else you got?

Mendenhall's a UFA I believe on another cap strapped team.

 

[Don Quixote]

Dolphins probably deserve a mention too, particularly with Bush's benching yesterday. But it might end up a Lamar Miller and Daniel Thomas RBBC.

 

[donkshow]

There are at least three or four RBs who'll hit the market this off-season that would be an upgrade over many of the backups listed here.

Good point. So let's name them:SJaxDWillpossibly Bradshaw?Who else you got?

Mendenhall is also a free agent.Colts will be looking to upgrade RB. Brown/Ballard aren't going to cut it. They drafted 5 offensive players last year so this draft will be primarily defense.

 

[BallparkFrank]

Chris Ivory: Love him but look at this past week, guy rips a 56 yd TD in the 1st Q and then doesn't even get 5 carries for the game. Limited upside.

Limited upside? This may be the only RB mentioned in this thread that has speed, power, vision and quickness. If you want to call it a bad situation, fine, but limited upside is just plain crazy talk with all due respect.

Ivory is very talented but it boils down to - as it has his entire college and pro career - his health. He's going to move on to what has to be a better situation but it will be as a backup. With that said he's a great lottery ticket in case he goes to a good situation and the starter gets hurt.

Ivory has the skillset to be a starting NFL RB. I agree about his health and durability and he needs to continue to take care of the ball, but he has more upside than just a backup, imo. Whether it happens, who knows, but he has more talent than some current starting RB's.

 

[Hooper31]

Turbin in Seattle looks the part of a starting RB in the NFL, but I don't think its next season unless Lynch gets hurt. That said, Lynch takes and gives a heck of a beating. Is he the most physically punishing RB in the NFL? If not, he has to be near the top of that list. I wonder how long he can keep this up? When RBs hit the end of their career it usually happens very suddenly. I won't be surprised to see Lynch's career go from the top to the bottom quickly.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

There are at least three or four RBs who'll hit the market this off-season that would be an upgrade over many of the backups listed here.

Good point. So let's name them:SJaxDWillpossibly Bradshaw?Who else you got?

SJax, Mendenhall and R Bush for sure. Probably DWil. Maybe one or two others...

 

[EBF]

Some guys around the league who look like potential starters down the road to me:

CJ Spiller

Daniel Thomas

Bernard Pierce

Jonathan Dwyer

Ben Tate

Ronnie Hillman

Felix Jones

David Wilson

Bryce Brown

Toby Gerhart

Mark Ingram

Chris Ivory

Ryan Williams

Daryl Richardson

Kendall Hunter

Robert Turbin

I like some names on this list more than others, but I think all of these guys would push the starters on RB-poor teams like the Colts, Bengals, Jets, Raiders, and Lions. I think Hunter, Richardson, Hillman, and Wilson have a real chance to emerge next season given the dynamics of their situations. Dwyer impressed me against the Redskins a little while back and could be a nice option for teams in need of a power back. I have bought him in two FF leagues in the past week for a 2nd round rookie pick. Spiller is the best talent on the list, but might not have a frame that can handle starter touches over a full season. Felix Jones is talented and has had these hot stretches before in his career, but as someone who has owned him in many leagues over the years, I have zero faith in his ability to do it for a full season. The rest of these guys are "sleeper" type picks with enough ability to potentially emerge.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Many Keeper Leagues allow only one or two players to be kept from year to year. In my main league we have a requirement that any keeper must have been on that owner's roster by the trade deadline of the prior year. With many league's trade deadlines fast approaching, which "backup" or role RB's have the best chance to emerge as "primary" guys next season and therefore - in Keeper leagues - should be targeted for trade now? In order of likelihood, here are my choicesaryl Richardson Jacquizz Rodgers Andre Brown/David Wilson Chris IvoryVick BallardRonnie HillmanRyan Williams (again?)Agree or disagree? Are there any others I've overlooked?

Daryl Richardson: They have so little invested in him. I own him but I think at best it will be a 2 back system with him and Pead in the COP role. I could see Richardson getting 15-18 carries a game, he sure has earned a shot. Fisher spent a lot of picks on RB/WR in the last draft, I imagine he would like to spend more on the defense. I also think if you get a decent offer for him you should take it, the tea leaves are murky and I believe Fisher will go out and also bring in a veteran that will make Richardson owners groan at some point. Rodgers: He just is not an every down back that much is obvious. At best he is about 6-8 carries, 3-5 catches a game, lot of mouths to feed in this offense. Another RB will be brought in to replace Turner, ROdgers is not replacing Turner in the offense, no way. Brown/Wilson: More of the same, Wilson will get more chances, Bradshaw could be released, then again they all could be brought back and we are right back where we started. Chris Ivory: Love him but look at this past week, guy rips a 56 yd TD in the 1st Q and then doesn't even get 5 carries for the game. Limited upside. Vick Ballard: Colts will upgrade the position. Ronnie Hillman: Yes and noRyan Williams: As long as that OL is terrible I am not interested. Good thread idea

So, you don't foresee any part-time or backup RB taking over a full-time gig on their current team next season?

I gave reasons why I feel this way about these guys. I like Richardson a lot but I think he will be in a 2 back rotation and that's assuming no one else is drafted or signed. I love Ivory but his health and being on the Saints limits his upside IMO. McGahee will come back and Fox likes veteran RBs. I see the Colts upgrading, Wilson is in the doghouse. Again, great thread idea, a couple of these guys will hit even if for no other reason than injuries ahead of them at some point.

 

[dewmass]

How do people view Daniel Thomes value in this discussion? I've never been sold on him but after this weekend it looks like he could have a chance to be the starter, and I can get I'm in my PPR keeper for Rudolph and Kendal Wright