The Miami Dolphins ask Tua to play under a 5th year option. Miami extends Tua beyond 2024 and settle on 4yrs/$212M (1 Viewer)

[Gruden's Keyboard]

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Probably the wisest approach 4 the dolphins

 

[Ministry of Pain]

5th Year Option and Franchise Tag in '25 being tossed around on Miami message boards
Fanboy sites like Phinatic are also talking openly about it

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Probably the wisest approach 4 the dolphins

I don't disagree with you but I am having doubts that Tua willingly takes the field for $23.7M this season
Miami is still holding like $15M+ in cap space right now, what are they waiting for if the plan is make him play on the 5th year option?
I would love to know what the number was that Tua refused and now has writers speculating that the two sides are FAR apart.

-I love it if it will work since $23M this year, Franchise QB in '25 = $50M+ for 1 year?
It would give Miami a lot more time to evaluate him and shore things up thru one more draft and what their long term plans are at Edge and both Corner spots
Ramsey should be great this year but he's on the end of his prime, Kendall Fuller turns 30 and was a pretty nice steal in the off season to replace Howard but it's a band aid for 1-2 years.

Miami still shows a lack of developing draft picks since MM arrived outside of Achane. They've opted to use some of those picks on guys like Ramsey and Hill but that mean win now.
Miami has yet to win a Playoff game under Mike McDaniel
And so turns another day in the life of a Miami Dol-fan

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Dead ahead

This is not looking good right now

Tua's practice status 'fluid' amid contract talks

Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa was present for the team's first practice of training camp Wednesday, although his participation was limited amidst ongoing contract negotiations.

www.espn.com

Nothing instils confidence like a "fluid situation"

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It doesn't happen often at QB and Tua is a starting Pro Bowl QB this year, however...many Miami fans watched him regress as the season went on
He did almost nothing in the Playoff game at KC, weather was a factor of course but he didn't put on a Superman cape of any kind

Would you extend Tua at a rate of $50-$60M per season and put the team in a potential cap sqeeze/hell for years to come?
#200M guaranteed is the going rate these days

If you watch Tua week in and week out as many Miami fans do, you're left feeling like he has to have a perfect set up to succeed and that's almost like a handicap at Quarterback
If you were the Miami General Manager/Grier, would you put a fat contract in front of him and not look back?

Many Miami fans are questioning his abilities right now and even the biggest fans of Tua are at least witnessing that he is not producing in the bigger games vs the better teams.
Don't hold back, what are your thoughts about Tua and his future as the Miami starting QB?

Where do you rank him among among QBs from a real NFL perspective?

You ask me the impossible Joe...I am the most biased when it comes to my beloved Phins
-I think many feel he is elite...I found comfort drafting him in FF around the 7th-8th-9th round in redraft leagues

If you ask me to rank him in terms of true NFL ability, he just doesn't possess the physical tools/gifts to naturally elevate him and the hip socket injury prior to entering the NFL,
he just has never been quite the same as college.

Many fans of Miami would likely have Tua ranked outside the Top 10 but not too far outside that range. I would have him in the 10-12 range overall and he could slip with so many new faces at QB and being given the starting spot...6 teams this past Draft? Ok, 5 because of Atlanta but a lot of new faces this year.

It's a great question JB, not sure I answered it well but I do like you asking for some clarity on my POV w/Tua

Thannks. On a ranking of 1-32 on where he ranks as a real NFL QB, where would you put him?

This deserved an answer but it was one I couldn't quite gauge in the moment.
He is 7-14 vs teams with a winning record, that's pretty telling
225 yds pass and just 1.3 TD per game over those 21 sample size
28 TD vs 18 Int...

I would say his skill level is about 14-20, somewhere in that range.
I'll say he ranks about 16th-17th, there are plenty of teams that would like to work with him over what they currently have.
But he hasn'r made a difference yet in a meaningful game for Miami and they are entering Year No 5 with Tua

-He's worth more in FF, also has a soft schedule mostly during the season, little tougher at the end. He's likely to have some big weeks

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Details emerging

Looks like not as much of it is guaranteed as the number being trumpeted right now
4 yrs /$212M...

 

[=Smackdown=]

This is an extension - so he’s signed for 5 years 235 million which is 47 million a year for the next 5 years.

167 million guaranteed.

 

[eighsse2]

A lot of money for someone everyone was ready to write off just because of a concussion.

 

[msudaisy26]

A lot of money for someone everyone was ready to write off just because of a concussion.
[/QUOTE/]

That is the rub with being a qb. If he played any other position tbe Dolphins probably tag him and let him walk and get a comp pick

 

[massraider]

Dolphins were 6 mill over the cap WITHOUT Tua under contract next year.

I am sure getting his deal done, and getting a real small number on the cap next year instead of a franchise tag was a priority.

Fins have some brutal cap numbers next year for Ramsey, Chubb, Armstead. Bradley Chubb needs to be a monster for this team for the next several years, and he's coming off an ACL.

They should extend Phillips ASAP, he's on the 5th year option next year.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

This is an extension - so he’s signed for 5 years 235 million which is 47 million a year for the next 5 years.

167 million guaranteed.

I'm pretty sure he starts Year 1 of the extension in 2024, i could be wrong but that's my belief.
It matters the most in salary cap impact I would assume

 

[Desert_Power]

It’s the right move. Not worried about Steve Ross’s money

 

[massraider]

The Dolphins hedge here was only a 4 year extension. The other top guys got 5.

Tua gets next big deal/Dolphins cut bait one year early.

 

[travdogg]

I personally don't feel Tua is a "next guy up" player who should be getting a top contract, but I also think Tua is better than Lawrence or Goff so...

Could have been worse, I guess. From Stephen Ross perspective, Tua is the best Dolphins QB of the last 25 years (since Marino) so not having to start over there is nice, but overall, this is probably a 10th to 15th best QB, albeit one who has improved each season. I feel like this is the template SF works from with Purdy (who is arguably better) next offseason.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Lawrence getting all that money for having done nothing is what set these moves in motion. Lawrence is still being paid like the draft prospect people thought he was, but has yet to do anything to warrant that pay grade. Granted, he endured some pretty awful coaching and front office decisions but that contract is the problem.

I am sure Dallas isn't far behind. Dolphins now have 80-ish million tied up in Waddle, Hill and Tua. Woof.

 

[=Smackdown=]

This is an extension - so he’s signed for 5 years 235 million which is 47 million a year for the next 5 years.

167 million guaranteed.

I'm pretty sure he starts Year 1 of the extension in 2024, i could be wrong but that's my belief.
It matters the most in salary cap impact I would assume

Tua is signed through the ‘28 season - so next 5 years.

Other than Mahomes - all QB’s are over paid.

 

[Mitchie]

A lot of money for someone everyone was ready to write off just because of a concussion.

Wasn't just a concussion, he had 3 in one season.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

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-Say what you will about Nick Wright but he's near the top of the food chain on these horrific sports shows (most of them)
I agree with him, make him play Year 5, Franchise Tag, it's like mainstream media forgot this was an option
Mistake for sure, Miami is never winning a Playoff game with Tua and McDaniel running things side by side

-6:00 in and let it rip, shows the stark contrast on this guy..."Not everyone can beat the good teams, they haven't been in the mix since I was a little boy"

 

[msudaisy26]

I personally don't feel Tua is a "next guy up" player who should be getting a top contract, but I also think Tua is better than Lawrence or Goff so...

Could have been worse, I guess. From Stephen Ross perspective, Tua is the best Dolphins QB of the last 25 years (since Marino) so not having to start over there is nice, but overall, this is probably a 10th to 15th best QB, albeit one who has improved each season. I feel like this is the template SF works from with Purdy (who is arguably better) next offseason.

Just curious to what Tua has shown to be better than Goff or Lawrence.

 

[msudaisy26]

Lawrence getting all that money for having done nothing is what set these moves in motion. Lawrence is still being paid like the draft prospect people thought he was, but has yet to do anything to warrant that pay grade. Granted, he endured some pretty awful coaching and front office decisions but that contract is the problem.

I am sure Dallas isn't far behind. Dolphins now have 80-ish million tied up in Waddle, Hill and Tua. Woof.

This isn't a Lawrence thing. The qbs getting massive contracts and each deal beating the last deal has been happening for the better part of two decades now.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The Dolphins were in a tough spot. Having a good QB is much better than having a bad one, but history has shown that you have almost no shot at winning it all when you are paying top money to a QB who is merely good (see: Dak Prescott). And they couldn't even manage a single playoff win with Tua before paying him. I see a lot of seasons of around 8-10 wins going forward with them.

 

[SoBeDad]

Only $3,000,000 guaranteed in 2027. With a post-June 1 cap hit of $23,000,000. If he does well in 2024, they could renegotiate and push $$ down the road.

Chubb and Armstead combined are only a combined $5.5 mil post-June cap hit in 2025. Chubb needs to perform or he will be cut, unless he agrees to renogiate a team favorable contract. Hill and Holland will get new contracts. A 2 to 3 year window, but the 2024 draft picks Chop and Paul need to come through.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Lawrence getting all that money for having done nothing is what set these moves in motion. Lawrence is still being paid like the draft prospect people thought he was, but has yet to do anything to warrant that pay grade. Granted, he endured some pretty awful coaching and front office decisions but that contract is the problem.

I am sure Dallas isn't far behind. Dolphins now have 80-ish million tied up in Waddle, Hill and Tua. Woof.

This isn't a Lawrence thing. The qbs getting massive contracts and each deal beating the last deal has been happening for the better part of two decades now.

To an extent sure, but we weren't seeing Daniel Jones or Trevor Lawrence contracts, where guys had literally been middle of the road and are getting max money until recently.

Colt McCoy still waiting on that 45 million a year.

 

[msudaisy26]

Lawrence getting all that money for having done nothing is what set these moves in motion. Lawrence is still being paid like the draft prospect people thought he was, but has yet to do anything to warrant that pay grade. Granted, he endured some pretty awful coaching and front office decisions but that contract is the problem.

I am sure Dallas isn't far behind. Dolphins now have 80-ish million tied up in Waddle, Hill and Tua. Woof.

This isn't a Lawrence thing. The qbs getting massive contracts and each deal beating the last deal has been happening for the better part of two decades now.

To an extent sure, but we weren't seeing Daniel Jones or Trevor Lawrence contracts, where guys had literally been middle of the road and are getting max money until recently.

Colt McCoy still waiting on that 45 million a year.

Derek Carr, Matt Stafford, Joe Flacco, Eli Manning. All these guys broke the bank back in the day.

 

[travdogg]

I personally don't feel Tua is a "next guy up" player who should be getting a top contract, but I also think Tua is better than Lawrence or Goff so...

Could have been worse, I guess. From Stephen Ross perspective, Tua is the best Dolphins QB of the last 25 years (since Marino) so not having to start over there is nice, but overall, this is probably a 10th to 15th best QB, albeit one who has improved each season. I feel like this is the template SF works from with Purdy (who is arguably better) next offseason.

Just curious to what Tua has shown to be better than Goff or Lawrence.

Lawrence isn't in either of their leagues yet. He's been a mediocre QB who has proven almost nothing. He has 1 decent season where his division was awful, and he won a playoff game because Brandon Staley is/was an awful HC. If any of these contracts look like the Daniel Jones/Carson Wentz deals in a couple years, I'd bet its Lawrence.

Tua led the NFL in passing yards last season, led the NFL in passer rating in 2022, and was as good the last 2 years as any 2 years in Goff's career. If the argument is playoff wins, then I think its a bad argument, especially as Miami drew the Champs in historically bad weather. Beating Brandon Staley or Todd Bowles in the playoffs is a lot different than beating Andy Reid. Tua is still improving, he's done so every year. I do wonder how high the ceiling is, but I think the current product is better than Lawrence, and as good with more upside than Goff. I don't think any of the 3 are top-8 guys, but if I had to bet on 1 getting there, it'd be Tua.

I've always liked Tua going back to Bama, I thought he should have been the #2 to Washington in the 2020 draft instead of Chase Young at the time. He had a mediocre 1st 2 seasons, but he's been a pro bowl level guy since McDaniel got there, or perhaps since Flores (who I never really liked as a HC) left?

 

[msudaisy26]

I personally don't feel Tua is a "next guy up" player who should be getting a top contract, but I also think Tua is better than Lawrence or Goff so...

Could have been worse, I guess. From Stephen Ross perspective, Tua is the best Dolphins QB of the last 25 years (since Marino) so not having to start over there is nice, but overall, this is probably a 10th to 15th best QB, albeit one who has improved each season. I feel like this is the template SF works from with Purdy (who is arguably better) next offseason.

Just curious to what Tua has shown to be better than Goff or Lawrence.

Lawrence isn't in either of their leagues yet. He's been a mediocre QB who has proven almost nothing. He has 1 decent season where his division was awful, and he won a playoff game because Brandon Staley is/was an awful HC. If any of these contracts look like the Daniel Jones/Carson Wentz deals in a couple years, I'd bet its Lawrence.

Tua led the NFL in passing yards last season, led the NFL in passer rating in 2022, and was as good the last 2 years as any 2 years in Goff's career. If the argument is playoff wins, then I think its a bad argument, especially as Miami drew the Champs in historically bad weather. Beating Brandon Staley or Todd Bowles in the playoffs is a lot different than beating Andy Reid. Tua is still improving, he's done so every year. I do wonder how high the ceiling is, but I think the current product is better than Lawrence, and as good with more upside than Goff. I don't think any of the 3 are top-8 guys, but if I had to bet on 1 getting there, it'd be Tua.

I've always liked Tua going back to Bama, I thought he should have been the #2 to Washington in the 2020 draft instead of Chase Young at the time. He had a mediocre 1st 2 seasons, but he's been a pro bowl level guy since McDaniel got there, or perhaps since Flores (who I never really liked as a HC) left?

Seems like very cherry picked stats. Tua is awful when he plays any good competition. His stats look good because his coach is a great offensive coach and they beat up on bad teams. Goff and Lawerence would be better than Tua in the same situation.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I do agree of those three, I would rank Lawrence #3.

 

[massraider]

I agree with him, make him play Year 5, Franchise Tag, it's like mainstream media forgot this was an option

Under this scenario, MIA is tied to Tua for two years.

Under his new deal, they are tied to Tua for 3 years.

 

[travdogg]

I personally don't feel Tua is a "next guy up" player who should be getting a top contract, but I also think Tua is better than Lawrence or Goff so...

Could have been worse, I guess. From Stephen Ross perspective, Tua is the best Dolphins QB of the last 25 years (since Marino) so not having to start over there is nice, but overall, this is probably a 10th to 15th best QB, albeit one who has improved each season. I feel like this is the template SF works from with Purdy (who is arguably better) next offseason.

Just curious to what Tua has shown to be better than Goff or Lawrence.

Lawrence isn't in either of their leagues yet. He's been a mediocre QB who has proven almost nothing. He has 1 decent season where his division was awful, and he won a playoff game because Brandon Staley is/was an awful HC. If any of these contracts look like the Daniel Jones/Carson Wentz deals in a couple years, I'd bet its Lawrence.

Tua led the NFL in passing yards last season, led the NFL in passer rating in 2022, and was as good the last 2 years as any 2 years in Goff's career. If the argument is playoff wins, then I think its a bad argument, especially as Miami drew the Champs in historically bad weather. Beating Brandon Staley or Todd Bowles in the playoffs is a lot different than beating Andy Reid. Tua is still improving, he's done so every year. I do wonder how high the ceiling is, but I think the current product is better than Lawrence, and as good with more upside than Goff. I don't think any of the 3 are top-8 guys, but if I had to bet on 1 getting there, it'd be Tua.

I've always liked Tua going back to Bama, I thought he should have been the #2 to Washington in the 2020 draft instead of Chase Young at the time. He had a mediocre 1st 2 seasons, but he's been a pro bowl level guy since McDaniel got there, or perhaps since Flores (who I never really liked as a HC) left?

Seems like very cherry picked stats. Tua is awful when he plays any good competition. His stats look good because his coach is a great offensive coach and they beat up on bad teams. Goff and Lawerence would be better than Tua in the same situation.

I'm not sure how leading the league in passing yards or passer rating can be a cherry picked stat. I feel like a cherry picked stat would be some sort of small sample size or something like that, not the entire 2023 or 2022 season. I also think Jared Goff having Ben Johnson and earlier Sean McVay is every bit (arguably more) of an advantage Mike McDaniel is. Goff is arguably in a better situation than Tua is, given the quality of Detroit's OL.

 

[msudaisy26]

I personally don't feel Tua is a "next guy up" player who should be getting a top contract, but I also think Tua is better than Lawrence or Goff so...

Could have been worse, I guess. From Stephen Ross perspective, Tua is the best Dolphins QB of the last 25 years (since Marino) so not having to start over there is nice, but overall, this is probably a 10th to 15th best QB, albeit one who has improved each season. I feel like this is the template SF works from with Purdy (who is arguably better) next offseason.

Just curious to what Tua has shown to be better than Goff or Lawrence.

Lawrence isn't in either of their leagues yet. He's been a mediocre QB who has proven almost nothing. He has 1 decent season where his division was awful, and he won a playoff game because Brandon Staley is/was an awful HC. If any of these contracts look like the Daniel Jones/Carson Wentz deals in a couple years, I'd bet its Lawrence.

Tua led the NFL in passing yards last season, led the NFL in passer rating in 2022, and was as good the last 2 years as any 2 years in Goff's career. If the argument is playoff wins, then I think its a bad argument, especially as Miami drew the Champs in historically bad weather. Beating Brandon Staley or Todd Bowles in the playoffs is a lot different than beating Andy Reid. Tua is still improving, he's done so every year. I do wonder how high the ceiling is, but I think the current product is better than Lawrence, and as good with more upside than Goff. I don't think any of the 3 are top-8 guys, but if I had to bet on 1 getting there, it'd be Tua.

I've always liked Tua going back to Bama, I thought he should have been the #2 to Washington in the 2020 draft instead of Chase Young at the time. He had a mediocre 1st 2 seasons, but he's been a pro bowl level guy since McDaniel got there, or perhaps since Flores (who I never really liked as a HC) left?

Seems like very cherry picked stats. Tua is awful when he plays any good competition. His stats look good because his coach is a great offensive coach and they beat up on bad teams. Goff and Lawerence would be better than Tua in the same situation.

I'm not sure how leading the league in passing yards or passer rating can be a cherry picked stat. I feel like a cherry picked stat would be some sort of small sample size or something like that, not the entire 2023 or 2022 season. I also think Jared Goff having Ben Johnson and earlier Sean McVay is every bit (arguably more) of an advantage Mike McDaniel is. Goff is arguably in a better situation than Tua is, given the quality of Detroit's OL.

Because you ignore Tua's flaws and discount Goff's and Lawrence's success as lucky or coaching or bad play by the other team.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I personally don't feel Tua is a "next guy up" player who should be getting a top contract, but I also think Tua is better than Lawrence or Goff so...

Could have been worse, I guess. From Stephen Ross perspective, Tua is the best Dolphins QB of the last 25 years (since Marino) so not having to start over there is nice, but overall, this is probably a 10th to 15th best QB, albeit one who has improved each season. I feel like this is the template SF works from with Purdy (who is arguably better) next offseason.

Just curious to what Tua has shown to be better than Goff or Lawrence.

Lawrence isn't in either of their leagues yet. He's been a mediocre QB who has proven almost nothing. He has 1 decent season where his division was awful, and he won a playoff game because Brandon Staley is/was an awful HC. If any of these contracts look like the Daniel Jones/Carson Wentz deals in a couple years, I'd bet its Lawrence.

Tua led the NFL in passing yards last season, led the NFL in passer rating in 2022, and was as good the last 2 years as any 2 years in Goff's career. If the argument is playoff wins, then I think its a bad argument, especially as Miami drew the Champs in historically bad weather. Beating Brandon Staley or Todd Bowles in the playoffs is a lot different than beating Andy Reid. Tua is still improving, he's done so every year. I do wonder how high the ceiling is, but I think the current product is better than Lawrence, and as good with more upside than Goff. I don't think any of the 3 are top-8 guys, but if I had to bet on 1 getting there, it'd be Tua.

I've always liked Tua going back to Bama, I thought he should have been the #2 to Washington in the 2020 draft instead of Chase Young at the time. He had a mediocre 1st 2 seasons, but he's been a pro bowl level guy since McDaniel got there, or perhaps since Flores (who I never really liked as a HC) left?

To be fair, they "drew the champs" in the first round last year because they blew the division by losing at home to the Bills in Week 18 in a game where Tua was bad.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I agree with him, make him play Year 5, Franchise Tag, it's like mainstream media forgot this was an option

Under this scenario, MIA is tied to Tua for two years.

Under his new deal, they are tied to Tua for 3 years.

Thank you Mass, excellent point, what looks like on the surface thru '28 might only be thru '26.
Either way you have a split fan base down here on whether he's worth it or not.
I question McDaniel even more but that's a separate thread long overdue

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I personally don't feel Tua is a "next guy up" player who should be getting a top contract, but I also think Tua is better than Lawrence or Goff so...

Could have been worse, I guess. From Stephen Ross perspective, Tua is the best Dolphins QB of the last 25 years (since Marino) so not having to start over there is nice, but overall, this is probably a 10th to 15th best QB, albeit one who has improved each season. I feel like this is the template SF works from with Purdy (who is arguably better) next offseason.

Just curious to what Tua has shown to be better than Goff or Lawrence.

Lawrence isn't in either of their leagues yet. He's been a mediocre QB who has proven almost nothing. He has 1 decent season where his division was awful, and he won a playoff game because Brandon Staley is/was an awful HC. If any of these contracts look like the Daniel Jones/Carson Wentz deals in a couple years, I'd bet its Lawrence.

Tua led the NFL in passing yards last season, led the NFL in passer rating in 2022, and was as good the last 2 years as any 2 years in Goff's career. If the argument is playoff wins, then I think its a bad argument, especially as Miami drew the Champs in historically bad weather. Beating Brandon Staley or Todd Bowles in the playoffs is a lot different than beating Andy Reid. Tua is still improving, he's done so every year. I do wonder how high the ceiling is, but I think the current product is better than Lawrence, and as good with more upside than Goff. I don't think any of the 3 are top-8 guys, but if I had to bet on 1 getting there, it'd be Tua.

I've always liked Tua going back to Bama, I thought he should have been the #2 to Washington in the 2020 draft instead of Chase Young at the time. He had a mediocre 1st 2 seasons, but he's been a pro bowl level guy since McDaniel got there, or perhaps since Flores (who I never really liked as a HC) left?

Seems like very cherry picked stats. Tua is awful when he plays any good competition. His stats look good because his coach is a great offensive coach and they beat up on bad teams. Goff and Lawerence would be better than Tua in the same situation.

I'm not sure how leading the league in passing yards or passer rating can be a cherry picked stat. I feel like a cherry picked stat would be some sort of small sample size or something like that, not the entire 2023 or 2022 season. I also think Jared Goff having Ben Johnson and earlier Sean McVay is every bit (arguably more) of an advantage Mike McDaniel is. Goff is arguably in a better situation than Tua is, given the quality of Detroit's OL.

7-14 vs teams with a winning record, let's just focus on that
"Not everyone can beat the good teams, they haven't been in the mix since I was a little boy"
-I linked the video clip and about the start of when this unfolds a few posts up. That was a National sports media head that said it
I find that statement laughable and it shows the total bias of so many that rate Tua Tags and his impact in the NFL

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Name the last Miami Quarterback to lead his team to B2B Playoff spots 2 years in a row...
-The problem with that fun stat is Tua didn't really lead the charge in 2023, he didn't even start in the playoff game, had 3 big concussions including one late season vs Green Bay

We want to give Tua as much credit as possible but he really doesn't do the heavy lifting around here. He's got weapons galore now.
OL could be better but good QBs make avg OL better usually, quicker release, dissect defenses fast, deliver the ball into tight windows, that's not really Tua.
He needs a lot of help from the entire offense to succeed.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Name the last Miami Quarterback to lead his team to B2B Playoff spots 2 years in a row...
-The problem with that fun stat is Tua didn't really lead the charge in 2023, he didn't even start in the playoff game, had 3 big concussions including one late season vs Green Bay

We want to give Tua as much credit as possible but he really doesn't do the heavy lifting around here. He's got weapons galore now.
OL could be better but good QBs make avg OL better usually, quicker release, dissect defenses fast, deliver the ball into tight windows, that's not really Tua.
He needs a lot of help from the entire offense to succeed.

That may be true, but what is the alternative for Miami at this point? QB’s are hard to find and the window with Hill to win is now.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Name the last Miami Quarterback to lead his team to B2B Playoff spots 2 years in a row...
-The problem with that fun stat is Tua didn't really lead the charge in 2023, he didn't even start in the playoff game, had 3 big concussions including one late season vs Green Bay

We want to give Tua as much credit as possible but he really doesn't do the heavy lifting around here. He's got weapons galore now.
OL could be better but good QBs make avg OL better usually, quicker release, dissect defenses fast, deliver the ball into tight windows, that's not really Tua.
He needs a lot of help from the entire offense to succeed.

That may be true, but what is the alternative for Miami at this point? QB’s are hard to find and the window with Hill to win is now.

Did the Rams not take the Lions' veteran starting QB and send back a Top QB prospect(with vocal detractors much like Tua) and a couple 1st Rd picks? So far it's worked out well both ways I would say...sometimes you have to think outside the box and take a Full measure.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Name the last Miami Quarterback to lead his team to B2B Playoff spots 2 years in a row...
-The problem with that fun stat is Tua didn't really lead the charge in 2023, he didn't even start in the playoff game, had 3 big concussions including one late season vs Green Bay

We want to give Tua as much credit as possible but he really doesn't do the heavy lifting around here. He's got weapons galore now.
OL could be better but good QBs make avg OL better usually, quicker release, dissect defenses fast, deliver the ball into tight windows, that's not really Tua.
He needs a lot of help from the entire offense to succeed.

That may be true, but what is the alternative for Miami at this point? QB’s are hard to find and the window with Hill to win is now.

Did the Rams not take the Lions' veteran starting QB and send back a Top QB prospect(with vocal detractors much like Tua) and a couple 1st Rd picks? So far it's worked out well both ways I would say...sometimes you have to think outside the box and take a Full measure.

Not too many of those type of trades have occurred in the league’s history, but yes it is a non-zero possibility.