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The NFL is screwing the ref issue up big time (1 Viewer)

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There have been past controversies in the NFL. In response to some fan outrage, the league office at least handed down a suspension, a fine, an apology, and in some cases, even altered the rules.

But I have never seen more fan outrage at anything like the officiating of Super Bowl XL. This needs extreme measures to fix. I said before that in this extreme case, the NFL better get on top of this and not only admit it was screwed up, but people in the Steeler organization need to do it as well.

The NFL needs to sack up and tell people there was a problem, and then tell the fans to sack up and deal with it. That is the proper way to handle this. People will understnad if you do it that way. Instead, they are giving this less concern than normal, which is wrong. If they tell the fans it was "properly officiated" and then act like the customer is wrong, they stand a pretty good chance of damaging the sport as well as the credibility of others who defend this.

Business 101 - the customer is always right. The fans are in an overwhelming majority that the game was screwed up. The polls are 2-1.

What is the NFL thinking?

 
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Most of the people are complaining about stuff they don't know about, especially the friggin' sports media.

All of the rules were followed by the book and this fact seems to be lost on those complaining about the calls. The NFL came out and stated this but some people can't get it through their thick skulls, they would rather whine and cry about it.

 
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Most of the people are complaining about stuff they don't know about, especially the friggin' sports media.

All of the rules were followed by the book and this fact seems to be lost on those complaining about the calls. The NFL came out and stated this but some people can't get it through their thick skulls, they would rather whine and cry about it.
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:goodposting: If people would quit whining and think with their head not with their heart, we'll be to get over thjis sooner than later.

 
There have been past controversies in the NFL. In response to some fan outrage, the league office at least handed down a suspension, a fine, an apology, and in some cases, even altered the rules.

But I have never seen more fan outrage at anything like the officiating of Super Bowl XL. This needs extreme measures to fix. I said before that in this extreme case, the NFL better get on top of this and not only admit it was screwed up, but people in the Steeler organization need to do it as well.

The NFL needs to sack up and tell people there was a problem, and then tell the fans to sack up and deal with it. That is the proper way to handle this. People will understnad if you do it that way. Instead, they are giving this less concern than normal, which is wrong. If they tell the fans it was "properly officiated" and then act like the customer is wrong, they stand a pretty good chance of damaging the sport as well as the credibility of others who defend this.

Business 101 - the customer is always right. The fans are in an overwhelming majority that the game was screwed up. The polls are 2-1.

What is the NFL thinking?
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Wow. In an earlier thread you were condoning (actually encouraging) "cheating". Remember--isn't that why you suddenly became a Cowher fan? Now all of a sudden you see a problem with it? Make up your mind dude.
 
All of the rules were followed by the book
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All of the rules were followed by the book when it came to the Seahawks, but not the Steelers.Seahawks RT Locklear got called for a crucial holding penalty but Steelers RT Max Starks was holding all game long.Seahawks WR D-Jax got called for offensive pass interference negating a TD but the Steelers got away with it on several occasions.And so on and so forth.
 
By the way, BGP, good job getting me sucked back into this :fishing: . I said I wouldn't comment on this further and you got me to bite big time.

This time I really am finished talking about this subject (I hope). :P

 
Most of the people are complaining about stuff they don't know about, especially the friggin' sports media.

All of the rules were followed by the book and this fact seems to be lost on those complaining about the calls. The NFL came out and stated this but some people can't get it through their thick skulls, they would rather whine and cry about it.
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Sorry, but this is as weak as the NFL's defense or lack there of. You aren't addressing the question, but rather attacking the knowledge of those arguing on the other side.Both sides can disect the individual calls in question and debate whether they follow the letter of the law. However, you would then need to examine every play by both sides to see how often the same standard was applied.

This needs to move beyond what happened in the Super Bowl. Steeler fans would be screaming to high heaven that they were robbed (rightfully so) if Indy had won that game after the Polomalu (non) interception. If you think everything is perfect with NFL officiating then fine, but don't make a peep the next time your team comes out on the wrong end of the calls.

The majority of NFL fans think that officiating needs to be improved, and many rational people have made suggestions on how it can happen.

 
Most of the people are complaining about stuff they don't know about, especially the friggin' sports media.

All of the rules were followed by the book and this fact seems to be lost on those complaining about the calls. The NFL came out and stated this but some people can't get it through their thick skulls, they would rather whine and cry about it.
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I'm not sure I can take another Super Bore like that one. I could care less who won, but the officiating was poor and uneven, and I think it greatly effected the game. A better called game might not of helped the Hawks win, but it could of at least made it interesting.

 
Most of the people are complaining about stuff they don't know about, especially the friggin' sports media.

All of the rules were followed by the book and this fact seems to be lost on those complaining about the calls. The NFL came out and stated this but some people can't get it through their thick skulls, they would rather whine and cry about it.
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Right now, I think the fans merely want a major admission of wrong-doing. The fans are hot. Real hot. I don't think they've ever been more upset. By saying the game was "properly officiated", the NFL has upset these fans even more.

Here is what is happening right now. I bet there is an army of small-time reporters out there who see a gigantic bulls-eye painted on the NFL's back. They will dig, and dig, and dig. They are digging because they know that with the fans this hot, if they can find anything to make the NFL look illegitimate, even if it has absolutely nothing to do with Super Bowl XL, it will be huge for them. To go from a small-time reporter to "The Reporter That Exposed The NFL - that makes a career for those people. Normally, there are probably always a few targetting the NFL like this. Now they are gonna get an anal exam like they wouldn't believe.

The NFL could have fixed this by racing out there and admitting the game was screwed up. That satisfies the fans to a large extent. Instead, this story simmers. The fans stay hot. And those reporters will dig, racing each other to find something first. The 2000 election is an example of this.

And if they find anything, the media will utterly turn on the NFL. It will turn the NFL into a circus to get ratings. And then fans will go from wanting an apology to wanting Tagliabue's head. And sometimes, the media just blows something small out of proportion to get this job done, anyway.

The NFL needs to clean up its house first before the media does it for them. But it may already be too late with the "properly officiated" disaster for a comment. Plus the threat to fine Holmgren.

 
Most of the people are complaining about stuff they don't know about, especially the friggin' sports media.

All of the rules were followed by the book and this fact seems to be lost on those complaining about the calls.  The NFL came out and stated this but some people can't get it through their thick skulls, they would rather whine and cry about it.
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Laugh if you want, but it's true.There WAS a push off. A ticky tack call? Perhaps.

There WAS a hold. Another ticky tack call? Likely, but a replay shows Locklear holding Haggans' shoulder after Haggans beats him to the edge.

There shouldn't be any debating either of those, but people do anyways. The real debate from the get-go has been about whether they should've been called.

The NFL DID release a statement and has explained that the calls were made as judgement calls, and there WAS basis for both calls if you watch the replays. If people don't agree that the calls should've been made, that's fine, but I wouldn't expect the NFL to lie and say there was nothing to base the calls on when they don't believe that.

Not sure what anyone would expect the NFL to do differently.

 
Most of the people are complaining about stuff they don't know about, especially the friggin' sports media.

All of the rules were followed by the book and this fact seems to be lost on those complaining about the calls.  The NFL came out and stated this but some people can't get it through their thick skulls, they would rather whine and cry about it.
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Laugh if you want, but it's true.There WAS a push off. A ticky tack call? Perhaps.

There WAS a hold. Another ticky tack call? Likely, but a replay shows Locklear holding Haggans' shoulder after Haggans beats him to the edge.

There shouldn't be any debating either of those, but people do anyways. The real debate from the get-go has been about whether they should've been called.

The NFL DID release a statement and has explained that the calls were made as judgement calls, and there WAS basis for both calls if you watch the replays. If people don't agree that the calls should've been made, that's fine, but I wouldn't expect the NFL to lie and say there was nothing to base the calls on when they don't believe that.

Not sure what anyone would expect the NFL to do differently.
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Most of the people are complaining about stuff they don't know about, especially the friggin' sports media.

All of the rules were followed by the book and this fact seems to be lost on those complaining about the calls.  The NFL came out and stated this but some people can't get it through their thick skulls, they would rather whine and cry about it.
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Laugh if you want, but it's true.There WAS a push off. A ticky tack call? Perhaps.

There WAS a hold. Another ticky tack call? Likely, but a replay shows Locklear holding Haggans' shoulder after Haggans beats him to the edge.

There shouldn't be any debating either of those, but people do anyways. The real debate from the get-go has been about whether they should've been called.

The NFL DID release a statement and has explained that the calls were made as judgement calls, and there WAS basis for both calls if you watch the replays. If people don't agree that the calls should've been made, that's fine, but I wouldn't expect the NFL to lie and say there was nothing to base the calls on when they don't believe that.

Not sure what anyone would expect the NFL to do differently.
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So, what exactly do you disagree with?
 
This needs extreme measures to fix.
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the NFL better get on top of this and not only admit it was screwed up, but people in the Steeler organization need to do it as well.
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What is the NFL thinking?
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What are you thinking? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Thanks, BGP, I really needed a laugh today. I've always enjoyed reading fantasy. Maybe you should consider a career as a novelist?

 
I don't think the problem is whether or not the penalties were called correctly in a "technical" manner or not in this game (and almost all of the other games), the problem is the consistency of the calls. And this is a problem ALL season long.

Player on Team A commits a sort of ticky tacky foul and gets flagged for it. Player on Team B commits the same foul but knocks the crap of his opponent and walks away without a penalty. Yes, they both technically commited the same foul but one was a hangnail that got yanked out by the root and the other one was a train wreck where the person that caused the wreck is awarded a medal.

Just like the umpire behind the plate calling balls and strikes it is very important that the football refs call the fouls in a consistent manner so the players understand what they can and cannot do. NFL refs fail at this important aspect of refereeing in an abysmal way.

 
After laboring through 27 pages of threads the other day, including looking at films posted on the web, my own conclusion was that the refs got the calls right. The only thing that needs changing is the rule that you can't go for a ball carrier by going low "through" a blocker on a change of possession play.

 
I don't think the problem is whether or not the penalties were called correctly in a "technical" manner or not in this game (and almost all of the other games), the problem is the consistency of the calls. And this is a problem ALL season long.

Player on Team A commits a sort of ticky tacky foul and gets flagged for it. Player on Team B commits the same foul but knocks the crap of his opponent and walks away without a penalty. Yes, they both technically commited the same foul but one was a hangnail that got yanked out by the root and the other one was a train wreck where the person that caused the wreck is awarded a medal.

Just like the umpire behind the plate calling balls and strikes it is very important that the football refs call the fouls in a consistent manner so the players understand what they can and cannot do. NFL refs fail at this important aspect of refereeing in an abysmal way.
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:goodposting: This makes sense to me.

 
Just a poll I found on what people seem to think about the superbowl and the officiating.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnatio...=thepulse060206

Whether or not you think the officials really sucked or not the fact is a real majority does believe that the officials really sucked it up and something should be done for next year.
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While I'm still waiting for ONE person to provide proof the wrong calls were made in the Superbowl, let alone a massive conspiracy to favor one team over another, I do agree that the officiating was perceived by fans as bad this year. There are a few ways to address this perception I believe: 1. More technology such as microchips in balls, robot officials, and touch-sensitive hash, side, and goal lines.

2. Scrap officials all together and replace regular season and playoff games with NFL players sitting on their couches playing the Madden 06 equivalents of themselves.

3. Increase on-field refs numbers to 22 and allow up to seven days to resolve a coaches challenge of a questionable call. Also allow the ability to "fillibuster" during these reviews.

4. Require fans to get rigorous NFL official training before being allowed to watch NFL games.

5. Generalize the rules so every fan will see a foul on every play and eventually they'll get used to it

6. Require that all jumbotron/network replays during games are in real time only and only played once.

My guess is that nothing will help and we will be having this argument for time in memoriam or at least as long as there's AM radio.

Just my 2c.

 
Whether you believe the calls were just or not the media is hyping it big time. Hell, my grandmother heard about it and she has never seen a football game in her life. It's big news even outside of Seattle or Pitttsburgh. The NFL is taking one on the chin here.

 
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:goodposting: Anything hint that the game might have been poorly officiate will trump any other story next year.

"Will the game be officiated well this year?"

No positive PR can come form admitting the game was poorly called.

 
I don't think the problem is whether or not the penalties were called correctly in a "technical" manner or not in this game (and almost all of the other games), the problem is the consistency of the calls. And this is a problem ALL season long.

Player on Team A commits a sort of ticky tacky foul and gets flagged for it. Player on Team B commits the same foul but knocks the crap of his opponent and walks away without a penalty. Yes, they both technically commited the same foul but one was a hangnail that got yanked out by the root and the other one was a train wreck where the person that caused the wreck is awarded a medal.

Just like the umpire behind the plate calling balls and strikes it is very important that the football refs call the fouls in a consistent manner so the players understand what they can and cannot do. NFL refs fail at this important aspect of refereeing in an abysmal way.
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I love it.. 2 days ago, everyone was screaming about 3 or 4 specific plays, but now, it's not about any specific plays, it's about the consistency of the calls. Give me a break. How do you expect the NFL to defend against an accusation like that? Might as well ask them to prove that they don't beat their wives.
 
Disagree, in fact like the Bush/Gore 2000 election the longer the losers (in this case BGP) moan about it the more foolish they look:

http://www.kdka.com/video/?id=13404@kdka.dayport.com
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So, you like George Bush??But honestly, complaining more won't change the fact that there were several calls blown. It's over, the bad guys won, let's just forget about it.
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Did you click on that link?
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Yes. It does not pertain to my comment. Pittsburgh television...biased.
 
Disagree, in fact like the Bush/Gore 2000 election the longer the losers (in this case BGP) moan about it the more foolish they look:

http://www.kdka.com/video/?id=13404@kdka.dayport.com
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So, you like George Bush??But honestly, complaining more won't change the fact that there were several calls blown. It's over, the bad guys won, let's just forget about it.
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Did you click on that link?
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Yes. It does not pertain to my comment. Pittsburgh television...biased.
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At least we know where you stand. It doesn't matter what evidence is presented to you. You have already made up your mind. Just be honest about it.
 
While I'm still waiting for ONE person to provide proof the wrong calls were made in the Superbowl, let alone a massive conspiracy to favor one team over another, I do agree that the officiating was perceived by fans as bad this year. There are a few ways to address this perception I believe:

1. More technology such as microchips in balls, robot officials, and touch-sensitive hash, side, and goal lines.

2. Scrap officials all together and replace regular season and playoff games with NFL players sitting on their couches playing the Madden 06 equivalents of themselves.

3. Increase on-field refs numbers to 22 and allow up to seven days to resolve a coaches challenge of a questionable call. Also allow the ability to "fillibuster" during these reviews.

4. Require fans to get rigorous NFL official training before being allowed to watch NFL games.

5. Generalize the rules so every fan will see a foul on every play and eventually they'll get used to it

6. Require that all jumbotron/network replays during games are in real time only and only played once.

My guess is that nothing will help and we will be having this argument for time in memoriam or at least as long as there's AM radio.

Just my 2c.
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I think it has been pretty well stated before that the problem wasn't one specific "wrong" call, but rather a collection of "judgement calls" that went overwhelmingly against one team.Do I think it is a conspiracy? No. I think the refs just happened to catch those calls against Seattle and missed other things that could or should have been called against Pittsburgh. Just like I'm sure the ref in the Indy/Pitt game thought he was correct in over-turning the Polamalu interception.

Your list is fairly amusing, but maybe the NFL could start with actually having full-time officials, or at the very least full time lead referees. Until then I don't see how the league, or anyone else, can make a credible argument that they are doing everything they can to ensure the quality and consistency of officiating.

 
Disagree, in fact like the Bush/Gore 2000 election the longer the losers (in this case BGP) moan about it the more foolish they look:

http://www.kdka.com/video/?id=13404@kdka.dayport.com
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So, you like George Bush??But honestly, complaining more won't change the fact that there were several calls blown. It's over, the bad guys won, let's just forget about it.
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Did you click on that link?
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Yes. It does not pertain to my comment. Pittsburgh television...biased.
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At least we know where you stand. It doesn't matter what evidence is presented to you. You have already made up your mind. Just be honest about it.
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Hasselbeck's block, ticky-tack holding and pass interference calls...what's so hard to see? The whole damn Super Bowl was biased, including commercials, calls, the towel issue...It just was not an enjoyable game to watch. Have you seen the polls? Many people agree with me here.
 
Disagree, in fact like the Bush/Gore 2000 election the longer the losers (in this case BGP) moan about it the more foolish they look:

http://www.kdka.com/video/?id=13404@kdka.dayport.com
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So, you like George Bush??But honestly, complaining more won't change the fact that there were several calls blown. It's over, the bad guys won, let's just forget about it.
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Did you click on that link?
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Yes. It does not pertain to my comment. Pittsburgh television...biased.
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At least we know where you stand. It doesn't matter what evidence is presented to you. You have already made up your mind. Just be honest about it.
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Hasselbeck's block, ticky-tack holding and pass interference calls...what's so hard to see? The whole damn Super Bowl was biased, including commercials, calls, the towel issue...It just was not an enjoyable game to watch. Have you seen the polls? Many people agree with me here.
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Haven't you been updated? Now some Steeler fans are calling anyone that didn't like the officiating on Sunday, morons.
 
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Business 101 - the customer is always right. The fans are in an overwhelming majority that the game was screwed up. The polls are 2-1.
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This is the biggest falacy in the history of business. If the fans are running the show then any sporting event would be a great home-field advantage. Joke really to suggest the NFL apolgize. Those calls were correct. Everybody needs to give it a rest already.
 
Aren't the majority of rules "judgement based"? The NFL gets off easy saying all calls were called correctly based on ref's judgement. It buys them nothing positive to say otherwise. The problem in SB was the calls were so borderline and happened on such potential game changing plays that they stood out even more (honestly, for all the people saying DJAx did push off, how many would even have mentioned it if the call had not been made?).

I'll admit to not liking the Steelers and think they caught some very favorable breaks on the DJax & "holding" call, but I also was waiting for Herndon's pick to be moved back after a blatant block in the back - but nothing. I would also argue the Stevens no catch was a fumble that Pitt would have recovered.

Sure, the questionable calls against Seattle were ruled correctly based on ref's judgement, but after watching the officiating throughout the playoffs, this put fans over the edge. As football fans we just want the players to be allowed to play the game and decide the outcome.

 
(honestly, for all the people saying DJAx did push off, how many would even have mentioned it if the call had not been made?).
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I sure would have. No doubt about it.
 
Do people really believe that D. Jax did not push off? Seriously.
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If you look at the play, there's defensive pass interference too. If we really want to be super ticky-tacky there should have been off-setting penalties ... and a TD.
 
Do people really believe that D. Jax did not push off? Seriously.
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If you look at the play, there's defensive pass interference too. If we really want to be super ticky-tacky there should have been off-setting penalties ... and a TD.
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Off setting penalties would have the down replayed. To truly believe that off setting flags should have been thrown there is like saying off setting flags should be thrown on every play. While that could be true it is utter nonsense to believe that it should happen. People need to get over them selves about this game and "he did it first so he should have a penalty too" line of thinking. It only makes those complaining look even more foolish.
 
Do people really believe that D. Jax did not push off? Seriously.
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If you look at the play, there's defensive pass interference too. If we really want to be super ticky-tacky there should have been off-setting penalties ... and a TD.
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Actually, if you look at the play, you won't find any defensive pass interference. There's nothing but hand-checking by both players until Jackson extends his arm, and the contact is enough to knock Chris Hope backwards a slight bit. Ticky tack? Possibly.And for arguments sake, off-setting penalties would result in a replayed down, not a TD.

 
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There have been past controversies in the NFL. In response to some fan outrage, the league office at least handed down a suspension, a fine, an apology, and in some cases, even altered the rules.

But I have never seen more fan outrage at anything like the officiating of Super Bowl XL. This needs extreme measures to fix. I said before that in this extreme case, the NFL better get on top of this and not only admit it was screwed up, but people in the Steeler organization need to do it as well.

The NFL needs to sack up and tell people there was a problem, and then tell the fans to sack up and deal with it. That is the proper way to handle this. People will understnad if you do it that way. Instead, they are giving this less concern than normal, which is wrong. If they tell the fans it was "properly officiated" and then act like the customer is wrong, they stand a pretty good chance of damaging the sport as well as the credibility of others who defend this.

Business 101 - the customer is always right. The fans are in an overwhelming majority that the game was screwed up. The polls are 2-1.

What is the NFL thinking?
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I've been out of the pool since shortly after the SB, but hasn't BGP posted pretty much this identical rant at least 4 times in at least 4 different threads in the past 5 days?Regarding the SB, I've heard:

After the game: " :hot: :cry: The officials sucked! Fixed!! Cheating!! Something MUST be done NOW!!!!"

Next day: Steelers celebrate. Seahawks bummed. Tools continue to whine.

3 days later: :shrug: Its over. How bout them Pistons??

 
Do people really believe that D. Jax did not push off? Seriously.
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If you look at the play, there's defensive pass interference too. If we really want to be super ticky-tacky there should have been off-setting penalties ... and a TD.
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Actually, if you look at the play, you won't find any defensive pass interference. There's nothing but hand-checking by both players until Jackson extends his arm, and the contact is enough to knock Chris Hope backwards a slight bit. Ticky tack? Possibly.And for arguments sake, off-setting penalties would result in a replayed down, not a TD.
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Actually if you look at the play you will see Hope grab DJax as he enters the Endzone. Then when DJax turns into Hope both players extend their arms to each other. Then Djax turns away and catches the TD then Hopes complains to the Back Judge to throw the flag and after two motions to the ref to throw the flag the Back Judge thru the flag.To me you have to be this play is not called a penalty 95% of the time. And that is what the fans have a problem with. This was a ticky tack call. By the rule in the NFL yes there was contact after 5 yards BY BOTH players.

But to bury your head in the sand and say that the game was called great is just wrong. To me how the game was called did change the game. Would Pitt still have won? that I cannot say yes or no. But The game would of been different.

 
But to bury your head in the sand and say that the game was called great is just wrong.
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Not a fan of either team and I know the game was called greatly. Disagree if you want but the more people complain the more they are the fool.
 
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