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The Nick Foles era (1 Viewer)

wdcrob said:
I thought Cooper was in on that catch, but the Eagles hurry up prevented a 2nd look. Then after the TD it was forgotten. Never did see a good replay.
I was at the game, and despite the "hurry up" they had time to show the slo-mo replay (can't remember whether it was on the Jumbotron or one of the overhanging monitors on the box level) before they snapped the McCoy TD. It sure looked like at least part of the ball got across the goal line, though I can't say 100% it'd have been overturned since he had it tucked away during the tackle. What I loved most about Foles on that play is that he ran right down to the 1 and looked over at Chip just long enough to confirm the next play call, got under center, and snapped the ball as quickly as possible. No half-speed jog downfield or fixing the sideline with a glance that might have sent the message, "I deserved that TD - why don't you take a few seconds to review upstairs then go ahead and throw that flag". Pure professionalism. :thumbup:

And Cooper should have had a TD on that long ball down the left side as well, DPI or no DPI - in fact the CB fell down after grabbing Cooper's shoulder pad but before the ball arrived. Cooper either lost track of the ball or was too busy starting to gesticulate for a flag to look around for it. That was all on him IMO.

By all rights Foles could have (and maybe should have) had another 300-yard / 3-TD passing day. I've seen pretty much all I need to see at this point - the kid's legit.
Nice post. I didn't notice the the hurry up, but reading that reminded me of how fast he spiked the ball to win the Bucs game. I have to go back and check that game to see how much time ran off between a 25-yard completion and him getting the team down on the 2-yard like to kill the clock. It was extremely impressive.
 
Not to go overboard or anything but did Belichek know he had his QB even after 2001? Now we can't say Belichek without Brady and vice versa. Perhaps 10 years from now Chip and Nick are just as synonymous. ;)

 
One of the most impressive things I've seen him do to-date.

4 0:16 4 5 TAM 23 Nick Foles pass complete deep middle to Jason Avant for 22 yards (tackle by Mark Barron) 16 21

4 0:02 1 1 TAM 1 Nick Foles spiked the ball 16 21

4 0:02 Timeout #1 by Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 21

4 0:02 2 1 TAM 1 Nick Foles pass complete short right to Jeremy Maclin for 1 yard, touchdown

 
Eagles coach waiting until QBs are 'fully healthy' to name starterby Michael Hurcomb | CBSSports.com

(1:27 pm ET) Eagles coach Chip Kelly said Monday quarterback Michael Vick, who missed a third straight game Sunday with a hamstring injury, could have played Week 11, if needed. Kelly added he expects Vick to be ready following the team's Week 12 bye.

However, Kelly wouldn't indicate if Nick Foles, who has led Philadelphia to three straight wins, or Vick would start Week 13 vs. Arizona.

"When both quarterbacks are fully healthy, I'll sit down with both of them to discuss who starts," Kelly said
http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/playernews/QB

 
Eagles coach waiting until QBs are 'fully healthy' to name starterby Michael Hurcomb | CBSSports.com

(1:27 pm ET) Eagles coach Chip Kelly said Monday quarterback Michael Vick, who missed a third straight game Sunday with a hamstring injury, could have played Week 11, if needed. Kelly added he expects Vick to be ready following the team's Week 12 bye.

However, Kelly wouldn't indicate if Nick Foles, who has led Philadelphia to three straight wins, or Vick would start Week 13 vs. Arizona.

"When both quarterbacks are fully healthy, I'll sit down with both of them to discuss who starts," Kelly said
http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/playernews/QB
Formality at this point. Kelly said today the 2 most important things are winning and protecting the football. Foles is 4-1, Vick is 2-4. Vick's Int% is 2.1, Foles' is 0.0.

 
Foles gets two weeks of practicing with the 1st team and getting more comfortable with Chip's schemes while sitting in first place. Nice.. You can only imagine how things would have turned out if this was the case week one or better yet all off season.

 
Foles gets two weeks of practicing with the 1st team and getting more comfortable with Chip's schemes while sitting in first place. Nice.. You can only imagine how things would have turned out if this was the case week one or better yet all off season.
Didn't think it at the time but yes. Imagine where he'd be progression wise.

 
Highest YPA by a 2nd year QB:

Code:
              NAME 	POS 	YR 	AGE 	EXP 	G 	CMP 	ATT 	PYD 	Y/A 	PTD 	INT 	FANT PT1	Nick Foles	qb	2013	24	2	8	103	162	1554	9.59	16	0	166.42	Dan Marino	qb	1984	23	2	16	362	564	5084	9.01	48	17	428.53	Roethlisberger	qb	2005	23	2	13	168	268	2385	8.90	17	9	203.24	Kurt Warner	qb	1999	28	2	16	325	499	4353	8.72	41	13	383.95	Russell Wilson	qb	2013	25	2	11	176	275	2362	8.59	19	6	235.06	Eric Hipple	qb	1981	24	2	16	140	279	2358	8.45	14	15	217.77	Culpepper	qb	2000	23	2	16	297	474	3937	8.31	33	16	401.98	Kaepernick	qb	2012	25	2	13	136	218	1809	8.30	10	3	199.29	Norm Snead	qb	1962	23	2	14	184	354	2926	8.27	22	22	231.310	Elvis Grbac	qb	1995	25	2	16	127	183	1469	8.03	8	5	115.811	Boomer Esiason	qb	1985	24	2	15	251	431	3443	7.99	27	12	282.112	Cam Newton	qb	2012	23	2	16	280	485	3869	7.98	19	12	380.213	Ken O'Brien	qb	1985	25	2	16	297	488	3888	7.97	25	8	292.214	Charley Johnson	qb	1962	24	2	11	150	308	2440	7.92	16	20	197.815	Mark Rypien	qb	1989	27	2	14	280	476	3768	7.92	22	13	275.016	Fran Tarkenton	qb	1962	22	2	14	163	329	2595	7.89	22	25	240.917	Peyton Manning	qb	1999	23	2	16	331	533	4135	7.76	26	15	315.1
 
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Any other dynasty owners thinking about selling high on him because of the way Kelly has acted and answered questions? I have a feeling one quarterback will fall in the draft this April to the teens and it seems like the Eagles will move up to get a Mariota, Boyd, Bridgewater or maybe take Braxton Miller or Manziel if they are there in the second.

 
Any other dynasty owners thinking about selling high on him because of the way Kelly has acted and answered questions? I have a feeling one quarterback will fall in the draft this April to the teens and it seems like the Eagles will move up to get a Mariota, Boyd, Bridgewater or maybe take Braxton Miller or Manziel if they are there in the second.
Don't be so sure. Chip may like being ambiguous with the media because he can. When it comes down to it though, he's said nothing but good things about Foles since he got here. Now that he's winning with him, I don't think he'll be that quick to throw all his eggs in a new basket when this one is working perfectly fine. Unless Foles goes completely off the rails down the stretch, the Eagles aren't drafting a QB in the first 3 rounds next year.

 
Any other dynasty owners thinking about selling high on him because of the way Kelly has acted and answered questions? I have a feeling one quarterback will fall in the draft this April to the teens and it seems like the Eagles will move up to get a Mariota, Boyd, Bridgewater or maybe take Braxton Miller or Manziel if they are there in the second.
I've been trying to sell high, but cant even trade him and a 4th for a 2014 2nd from an alex smith owner. I see where you think the Eagles could be looking for a QB, but I think he is the Eagles QB next year, I just don't have any use for him.

 
Any other dynasty owners thinking about selling high on him because of the way Kelly has acted and answered questions? I have a feeling one quarterback will fall in the draft this April to the teens and it seems like the Eagles will move up to get a Mariota, Boyd, Bridgewater or maybe take Braxton Miller or Manziel if they are there in the second.
I've been trying to sell high, but cant even trade him and a 4th for a 2014 2nd from an alex smith owner. I see where you think the Eagles could be looking for a QB, but I think he is the Eagles QB next year, I just don't have any use for him.
Funny how each league is so different. I'm a big believer in Foles personally, but a 2nd plus throw in hasn't got a deal in one league and in another he's basically untouchable after speaking to his owner.
 
People are also forgetting if Vick didnt have a great preseason, Foles could've been the QB from week 1. He was that good in the preseason too.

 
Any other dynasty owners thinking about selling high on him because of the way Kelly has acted and answered questions? I have a feeling one quarterback will fall in the draft this April to the teens and it seems like the Eagles will move up to get a Mariota, Boyd, Bridgewater or maybe take Braxton Miller or Manziel if they are there in the second.
i'd be shocked if the Eagles drafted a qb in the 1st or 2nd round. Foles fits Kelly's offense better than a lot of people think.

 
Foles and a 4 for a 2nd? Would jump on that like white on rice and feel like I raped someone. He's putting up QB1 numbers

 
I think Foles has been great too, but I just have a bad feeling. Our deadline is this week and I am rebuilding but I was offered a first that will be late and Geno Smith.

 
I think Foles has been great too, but I just have a bad feeling. Our deadline is this week and I am rebuilding but I was offered a first that will be late and Geno Smith.
To me Foles is the better own than Geno. Foles has a new coach with an offense he completely understands and is thriving in. Geno is starting to struggle and more than likely will have a brand new coaching staff next year. He'll have to learn a new offense in his second year of the league. Add in the injury prone nature of mobile qbs and there's no part where Foles doesn't come out on top there even an extra first.

 
I think Foles has been great too, but I just have a bad feeling. Our deadline is this week and I am rebuilding but I was offered a first that will be late and Geno Smith.
To me Foles is the better own than Geno. Foles has a new coach with an offense he completely understands and is thriving in. Geno is starting to struggle and more than likely will have a brand new coaching staff next year. He'll have to learn a new offense in his second year of the league. Add in the injury prone nature of mobile qbs and there's no part where Foles doesn't come out on top there even an extra first.
I agree right now, but if Kelly goes Harbaugh on Foles and drafts a guy pretty early, you know he will be looking to get him in there the first chance he can. I think I will ride Foles out and if he performs well I can probably get more in the off season before the draft if I feel the same way.

 
I think Foles has been great too, but I just have a bad feeling. Our deadline is this week and I am rebuilding but I was offered a first that will be late and Geno Smith.
You have to be kidding me. Even if you gut if right you're getting killed Talent wise.
 
I think Foles has been great too, but I just have a bad feeling. Our deadline is this week and I am rebuilding but I was offered a first that will be late and Geno Smith.
To me Foles is the better own than Geno. Foles has a new coach with an offense he completely understands and is thriving in. Geno is starting to struggle and more than likely will have a brand new coaching staff next year. He'll have to learn a new offense in his second year of the league. Add in the injury prone nature of mobile qbs and there's no part where Foles doesn't come out on top there even an extra first.
I agree right now, but if Kelly goes Harbaugh on Foles and drafts a guy pretty early, you know he will be looking to get him in there the first chance he can. I think I will ride Foles out and if he performs well I can probably get more in the off season before the draft if I feel the same way.
Big difference between the two situations. Harbaugh had Alex Smith, a game manager that had reached the peak of his talent level and had been in the league for 8 years.Foles is only in his 2nd year and his 11th game. He's not just getting by or game managing though. He's dominating and who knows how much more he can go from here. Drafting his replacement when he's barely started a full year's worth of games after the numbers he put up would have everyone questioning Chip's credibility. Every move he's made so far shows that he's a pretty intelligent football mind. He knows what he has in front of him.

 
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yeah, but he's still not a guy they drafted, and if vick leaves you need another qb.

I don't think drafting another is a big stretch -- I have no idea what their opinion is on barkley at this point.

 
yeah, but he's still not a guy they drafted, and if vick leaves you need another qb.

I don't think drafting another is a big stretch -- I have no idea what their opinion is on barkley at this point.
I can see looking for a capable backup, but they're crazy if they waste a top pick on a backup QB when they could solidify so many other needs.

 
Any other dynasty owners thinking about selling high on him because of the way Kelly has acted and answered questions? I have a feeling one quarterback will fall in the draft this April to the teens and it seems like the Eagles will move up to get a Mariota, Boyd, Bridgewater or maybe take Braxton Miller or Manziel if they are there in the second.
i'd be shocked if the Eagles drafted a qb in the 1st or 2nd round. Foles fits Kelly's offense better than a lot of people think.
Foles is having an all-time great sophomore season and there are still people that think he doesn't fit the offense. :shock:

 
And Nick Foles is garbage after his ONE bad game against Dallas. The media and "experts" continue to write him off and talk about all this as a fluke. Andrew Luck has three times this year had games without a TD - yet he is the second coming of Jesus.

Didn't Ron Jaworski declare Kaepernick as a top 5 QB going into this season. I love how he broke down how he spins the ball and has made great decisions.....hows those 150 yards passing per week working out now?

 
yeah, but he's still not a guy they drafted, and if vick leaves you need another qb.

I don't think drafting another is a big stretch -- I have no idea what their opinion is on barkley at this point.
I can see looking for a capable backup, but they're crazy if they waste a top pick on a backup QB when they could solidify so many other needs.
If they use a top pick(1or2) on a QB it won't be wasted. He won't be a backup for long, he'll be there as the starter-in-waiting.

 
And Nick Foles is garbage after his ONE bad game against Dallas. The media and "experts" continue to write him off and talk about all this as a fluke. Andrew Luck has three times this year had games without a TD - yet he is the second coming of Jesus.

Didn't Ron Jaworski declare Kaepernick as a top 5 QB going into this season. I love how he broke down how he spins the ball and has made great decisions.....hows those 150 yards passing per week working out now?
Herman Edwards was on Philly radio last week saying Foles wasn't a franchise QB.

 
And Nick Foles is garbage after his ONE bad game against Dallas. The media and "experts" continue to write him off and talk about all this as a fluke. Andrew Luck has three times this year had games without a TD - yet he is the second coming of Jesus.

Didn't Ron Jaworski declare Kaepernick as a top 5 QB going into this season. I love how he broke down how he spins the ball and has made great decisions.....hows those 150 yards passing per week working out now?
They weren't doing this to Warner in '99 - is it because Foles never bagged groceries?

 
I am amazed by how many in the general public and media don't want to give Foles any credit. There is some kind of discrimination going on here. Maybe it's because society generally hates nerds. No way Nap Dyno can be legit in their minds, despite all the evidence otherwise.

 
And Nick Foles is garbage after his ONE bad game against Dallas. The media and "experts" continue to write him off and talk about all this as a fluke. Andrew Luck has three times this year had games without a TD - yet he is the second coming of Jesus.

Didn't Ron Jaworski declare Kaepernick as a top 5 QB going into this season. I love how he broke down how he spins the ball and has made great decisions.....hows those 150 yards passing per week working out now?
They weren't doing this to Warner in '99 - is it because Foles never bagged groceries?
Purely (imo) because Foles isn't a running QB and people have an image of what a Chip Kelly QB should be. Kelly's comment is winning and protecting the ball are his 2 most important things. I think too many 'experts' think they know what Kelly's gonna do.

 
yeah, but he's still not a guy they drafted, and if vick leaves you need another qb.

I don't think drafting another is a big stretch -- I have no idea what their opinion is on barkley at this point.
I can see looking for a capable backup, but they're crazy if they waste a top pick on a backup QB when they could solidify so many other needs.
If they use a top pick(1or2) on a QB it won't be wasted. He won't be a backup for long, he'll be there as the starter-in-waiting.
It would be a horrible waste. Starter in waiting? Foles has 11 starts and he's in his second year. Waiting for what?
 
And Nick Foles is garbage after his ONE bad game against Dallas. The media and "experts" continue to write him off and talk about all this as a fluke. Andrew Luck has three times this year had games without a TD - yet he is the second coming of Jesus.

Didn't Ron Jaworski declare Kaepernick as a top 5 QB going into this season. I love how he broke down how he spins the ball and has made great decisions.....hows those 150 yards passing per week working out now?
Herman Edwards was on Philly radio last week saying Foles wasn't a franchise QB.
Someone said that after Mikey Miss mentioned the Herm Edwards comment about Foles, Jaws laughed it off and mentioned something to the tune of, "Who did Herm Edwards have as a franchise quarterback? Brodie Croyle?"

 
And Nick Foles is garbage after his ONE bad game against Dallas. The media and "experts" continue to write him off and talk about all this as a fluke. Andrew Luck has three times this year had games without a TD - yet he is the second coming of Jesus.

Didn't Ron Jaworski declare Kaepernick as a top 5 QB going into this season. I love how he broke down how he spins the ball and has made great decisions.....hows those 150 yards passing per week working out now?
Herman Edwards was on Philly radio last week saying Foles wasn't a franchise QB.
Someone said that after Mikey Miss mentioned the Herm Edwards comment about Foles, Jaws laughed it off and mentioned something to the tune of, "Who did Herm Edwards have as a franchise quarterback? Brodie Croyle?"
I think I posted that comment in the Eagles thread. Jaws reply was something like "Herm doens't know QB talent, he had Brodie Croyle!".

 
Amused to Death said:
Late225 said:
Amused to Death said:
jesseasi said:
And Nick Foles is garbage after his ONE bad game against Dallas. The media and "experts" continue to write him off and talk about all this as a fluke. Andrew Luck has three times this year had games without a TD - yet he is the second coming of Jesus.

Didn't Ron Jaworski declare Kaepernick as a top 5 QB going into this season. I love how he broke down how he spins the ball and has made great decisions.....hows those 150 yards passing per week working out now?
Herman Edwards was on Philly radio last week saying Foles wasn't a franchise QB.
Someone said that after Mikey Miss mentioned the Herm Edwards comment about Foles, Jaws laughed it off and mentioned something to the tune of, "Who did Herm Edwards have as a franchise quarterback? Brodie Croyle?"
I think I posted that comment in the Eagles thread. Jaws reply was something like "Herm doens't know QB talent, he had Brodie Croyle!".
Edwards drafted two QB's in his entire 8 year career - Brooks Bollinger and Brodie Croyle.

He had a chance to get a QB in 2008 but chose Glenn Dorsey over Flacco, preferring to go into the season with Croyle.

 
jesseasi said:
And Nick Foles is garbage after his ONE bad game against Dallas. The media and "experts" continue to write him off and talk about all this as a fluke. Andrew Luck has three times this year had games without a TD - yet he is the second coming of Jesus.

Didn't Ron Jaworski declare Kaepernick as a top 5 QB going into this season. I love how he broke down how he spins the ball and has made great decisions.....hows those 150 yards passing per week working out now?
Kaepernick is the reason people should remain cautious about Foles. Small sample sizes can often be completely wrong (check out McCown's #s so far). I'm close to sold on the guy, but it's easy to understand why not everyone would be.

 
jesseasi said:
And Nick Foles is garbage after his ONE bad game against Dallas. The media and "experts" continue to write him off and talk about all this as a fluke. Andrew Luck has three times this year had games without a TD - yet he is the second coming of Jesus.

Didn't Ron Jaworski declare Kaepernick as a top 5 QB going into this season. I love how he broke down how he spins the ball and has made great decisions.....hows those 150 yards passing per week working out now?
Kaepernick is the reason people should remain cautious about Foles. Small sample sizes can often be completely wrong (check out McCown's #s so far). I'm close to sold on the guy, but it's easy to understand why not everyone would be.
Kaeps lack of success this year (IMO) has more to do with how he's being used this year versus last year.

And his tattos

 
Now that Foles has played well at home, are we blaming the Dallas game on his groin?
I blame it on him playing like crap.

Like every other QB does from time to time.
I heard some rumblings that he actually suffered a concussion in the 1st quarter of that game. Not sure how reliable those rumblings are but it would explain a lot. I tend to agree with you here though, a bad game. He's brushed it off and moved forward.

 
Now that Foles has played well at home, are we blaming the Dallas game on his groin?
I blame it on him playing like crap.

Like every other QB does from time to time.
I blame a large part of it on his groin. He was horribly inaccurate that game. Missing open receivers right and left. Accuracy is Foles' main attribute. You could see something was off. A groin pull would affect his stepping into throws.

 
jesseasi said:
And Nick Foles is garbage after his ONE bad game against Dallas. The media and "experts" continue to write him off and talk about all this as a fluke. Andrew Luck has three times this year had games without a TD - yet he is the second coming of Jesus.

Didn't Ron Jaworski declare Kaepernick as a top 5 QB going into this season. I love how he broke down how he spins the ball and has made great decisions.....hows those 150 yards passing per week working out now?
Kaepernick is the reason people should remain cautious about Foles. Small sample sizes can often be completely wrong (check out McCown's #s so far). I'm close to sold on the guy, but it's easy to understand why not everyone would be.
I get that, but it's almost as though the media in general (and the Philly media in particular) are going out of their way to be skeptical of Foles. Make that "dismissive".

By the time Kaep had played as many games as Foles has played, everyone was tripping all over themselves declaring him the future of professional football. Though maybe I missed the interview where Jaws was quoted as saying that Foles has a chance to be the best ever at his position.

Besides, if you look at the numbers, it's amazing to consider how much Foles could regress through year-end and still put up a monster statistical season. Eli Manning is having a train wreck of a year ... so what would happen if Foles duplicated Eli's current performance on the home stretch? Well, here's how his 2013 numbers would end up:

207/344 (60.1%), 2847 yds, 22 TD, 9 INT, 8.3 Y/A. The latter number would be 3rd in the NFL right now, by the way, just between Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees.

 
JuniorNB said:
Billy Bats said:
JuniorNB said:
Kool-Aid Larry said:
yeah, but he's still not a guy they drafted, and if vick leaves you need another qb.

I don't think drafting another is a big stretch -- I have no idea what their opinion is on barkley at this point.
I can see looking for a capable backup, but they're crazy if they waste a top pick on a backup QB when they could solidify so many other needs.
If they use a top pick(1or2) on a QB it won't be wasted. He won't be a backup for long, he'll be there as the starter-in-waiting.
It would be a horrible waste. Starter in waiting? Foles has 11 starts and he's in his second year. Waiting for what?
Not Foles, the high draft pick would be starter in waiting. If they take a QB that early, won't it be obvious that he doesn't like Foles going forward?

 
JuniorNB said:
Billy Bats said:
JuniorNB said:
Kool-Aid Larry said:
yeah, but he's still not a guy they drafted, and if vick leaves you need another qb.

I don't think drafting another is a big stretch -- I have no idea what their opinion is on barkley at this point.
I can see looking for a capable backup, but they're crazy if they waste a top pick on a backup QB when they could solidify so many other needs.
If they use a top pick(1or2) on a QB it won't be wasted. He won't be a backup for long, he'll be there as the starter-in-waiting.
It would be a horrible waste. Starter in waiting? Foles has 11 starts and he's in his second year. Waiting for what?
Not Foles, the high draft pick would be starter in waiting. If they take a QB that early, won't it be obvious that he doesn't like Foles going forward?
Yes, if they draft a QB early, then that's what they think. And they will have lost a golden opportunity to build where the team really needs it.

 
Assuming Foles doesn't crap the bed in the last five games I'd think he's done enough to go into next year as the starter and that they'd look to fill other holes in 2014. But no one ever knows.

 
jesseasi said:
And Nick Foles is garbage after his ONE bad game against Dallas. The media and "experts" continue to write him off and talk about all this as a fluke. Andrew Luck has three times this year had games without a TD - yet he is the second coming of Jesus.

Didn't Ron Jaworski declare Kaepernick as a top 5 QB going into this season. I love how he broke down how he spins the ball and has made great decisions.....hows those 150 yards passing per week working out now?
Kaepernick is the reason people should remain cautious about Foles. Small sample sizes can often be completely wrong (check out McCown's #s so far). I'm close to sold on the guy, but it's easy to understand why not everyone would be.
I fully understand how misleading a small sample size can be. A 16 game season is a small sample size in general compared to sports like baseball and basketball where fluke are less likely to hold up for a season. So you're absolutely right, this isn't over yet. I still want to see what he does after teams make the proper adjustments. From listening to Chip and Foles in interviews they are more than ready for that day. And I want to see him a few games vs elite defenses. The only sample of that was a few passes vs Den.You mentioned before he has a few fluke TDs. At the time I was thinking the numbers always even themselves out. I'm sure the story that the numbers will continue to tell is that he is highly accurate, capable of throwing for high yards and muti-TDs every week with out being turnover prone(ie a good-great QB). This week, sure enough he could have added 2-3 TDs to his crazy streak for every fluke TD he has. Someone like Kaep had obvious flaws, he's a one read and go player. Now when you take away/guess his 1st read he's confused. I think Bloom was the 1st person to notice that.

My response is what is Foles doing that isn't repeatable aside from never throwing a int?

 
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