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The Nick Foles era (1 Viewer)

If you want something to be worried about with Foles you can look at his 17 sacks in 213 dropbacks. That's way too many for a pocket passer. Unless you want to argue that Kelly actually has Foles playing in a role similar to Wilson or Kaepernick I guess (I'm not convinced).

Regardless, if he falters down the road that'll be the reason why IMO.

 
If you want something to be worried about with Foles you can look at his 17 sacks in 213 dropbacks. That's way too many for a pocket passer. Unless you want to argue that Kelly actually has Foles playing in a role similar to Wilson or Kaepernick I guess (I'm not convinced).

Regardless, if he falters down the road that'll be the reason why IMO.
I'm not saying it's nothing but Aaron Rodgers had a sack percentage of 8.5% last year.

 
If you want something to be worried about with Foles you can look at his 17 sacks in 213 dropbacks. That's way too many for a pocket passer. Unless you want to argue that Kelly actually has Foles playing in a role similar to Wilson or Kaepernick I guess (I'm not convinced).

Regardless, if he falters down the road that'll be the reason why IMO.
I'm not saying it's nothing but Aaron Rodgers had a sack percentage of 8.5% last year.
Rodgers is another guy that extends plays to make plays (so is Roethlisberger) -- he just doesn't run as much as the true runners. I don't see Rodgers or Roeth when I watch Foles. Other than the read option plays he's pretty much a pocket QB.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I don't like to see pocket-oriented guys taking a lot of sacks.

 
If you want something to be worried about with Foles you can look at his 17 sacks in 213 dropbacks. That's way too many for a pocket passer. Unless you want to argue that Kelly actually has Foles playing in a role similar to Wilson or Kaepernick I guess (I'm not convinced).

Regardless, if he falters down the road that'll be the reason why IMO.
I'm not saying it's nothing but Aaron Rodgers had a sack percentage of 8.5% last year.
Rodgers is another guy that extends plays to make plays (so is Roethlisberger) -- he just doesn't run as much as the true runners. I don't see Rodgers or Roeth when I watch Foles. Other than the read option plays he's pretty much a pocket QB.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I don't like to see pocket-oriented guys taking a lot of sacks.
I equate his taking sacks to his "conservative" approach (although you wouldnt be able to tell with his #'s) as well as him being new to this offsense. I would expect him to take less going forward.

 
Rotoworld take:

Coach Chip Kelly told reporters Monday he is committed to Nick Foles as the Eagles' long-term starting quarterback.

"He’s the starting quarterback for the next 1,000 years here," said Kelly. Foles has earned the commitment and then some with a 19:0 TD-to-INT ratio as a passer and 63.3 completion rate through nine appearances. He's rushed for two more scores, and the Eagles have quietly emerged as the NFL's most underrated team. We still wonder if Kelly will use a mid-round draft pick in 2014 on a more mobile signal caller, but Foles' future is obviously shining bright. He's on the cusp of stable QB1 value in Dynasty leagues, and will be an every-week starter during the 2013 fantasy playoffs.


Source: Rueben Frank on Twitter
 
If you want something to be worried about with Foles you can look at his 17 sacks in 213 dropbacks. That's way too many for a pocket passer. Unless you want to argue that Kelly actually has Foles playing in a role similar to Wilson or Kaepernick I guess (I'm not convinced).

Regardless, if he falters down the road that'll be the reason why IMO.
I'm not saying it's nothing but Aaron Rodgers had a sack percentage of 8.5% last year.
Rodgers is another guy that extends plays to make plays (so is Roethlisberger) -- he just doesn't run as much as the true runners. I don't see Rodgers or Roeth when I watch Foles. Other than the read option plays he's pretty much a pocket QB.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I don't like to see pocket-oriented guys taking a lot of sacks.
I do.. Some of it can be credited to the blocking schemes.

 
CBSSports.com ‏@CBSSports 51m

Chip Kelly says Nick Foles is 'the starting QB for the next 1,000 years here' - http://cbsprt.co/FolesMillennium (The 3013 Eagles could be decent...)
I think this news has to put Foles as a top-10 dynasty QB now, no?
To be fair, that comment was made in part because of the unrelenting attitude the Philadelphia media had/has in regards to Chip OFFICIALLY naming Foles the starter; both when Vick was coming off the injury and afterwards when Vick was healthy but Kelly was committing to Foles. IIRC, When asked how the team would have fared if Foles was the starter out of camp, Kelly said something along the lines of they would have gone 16-0, scored 1,000 points a game and teams would be to scared to play them.

 
If you want something to be worried about with Foles you can look at his 17 sacks in 213 dropbacks. That's way too many for a pocket passer. Unless you want to argue that Kelly actually has Foles playing in a role similar to Wilson or Kaepernick I guess (I'm not convinced).

Regardless, if he falters down the road that'll be the reason why IMO.
I'm not saying it's nothing but Aaron Rodgers had a sack percentage of 8.5% last year.
Rodgers is another guy that extends plays to make plays (so is Roethlisberger) -- he just doesn't run as much as the true runners. I don't see Rodgers or Roeth when I watch Foles. Other than the read option plays he's pretty much a pocket QB.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I don't like to see pocket-oriented guys taking a lot of sacks.
Nope, it is an area he could improve a lot on. Some of those sacks got there pretty quick, there were a few I think he held onto it too long.

Still, scoring 24 on Arizona is pretty good. Only 3 teams (NO, SF and Sea) scored over 30, and none over 34.

 
Obviously there was the 7 TD game v OAK that tied the NFL record. Here is a quick rundown of a few other records that may come into play shortly. Unbelievable.

TDs to begin a season w/o an INT: 20 (Manning 2013) - Foles currently at 19

NFL passer rating for entire season: 122.5 (Rodgers 2011) - Foles currently at 125.2

Consecutive passes w/o INT: 335 (Brady 2010) - Foles currently at 233

Consecutive TDs w/o INT at any point in season: 26 (Brady 2010) - Foles currently at 19 (second all time, Manning broke record of 17 earlier this season)

Pretty awesome stuff

 
I'll take the under on all of those except Manning's 20 TDs to start a season. Odds are reasonably long he'll hit any of the others even with the advantage of fewer attempts for the year.

 
I'll take the under on all of those except Manning's 20 TDs to start a season. Odds are reasonably long he'll hit any of the others even with the advantage of fewer attempts for the year.
He's got a good shot at 26 tds at this rate. Passer rating has been pretty consistent for him and he only has 4 games left so well within reach. 4 games left and he throws about 35-40 passes a game so with no picks, he's close to the 3rd one as well. Really every single one of these can be achieved if he continues to not throw int's.

 
He's tall (6' 4", I believe), which allows him to see over lineman and downfield. He has great vision, and he's patient. He's a pretty traditional pocket passer, he is not Vick. That being said, if you've seen him play, you've seen the mechanics. His natural throwing style needs little to no adjusting. He's got a quick release. He doesn't have the strongest arm, but he was able to put up significant yards with Gronk out and really only one viable WR (Javon Criner, who is also a rookie this year). Playing under Mike Stoops in a pro style offense in college, I'm sure will really help him transition to the pros. He could be good THIS YEAR. Look at what Matt Scott did to USC this weekend. That guy was Foles' backup. IMO, he'll be the best QB to ever come out of Arizona. That's not that bold though, since Jake Plummer currently holds that title.
Was listening to FF show tonight and they had some "expert" who said Foles graded better than Luck and RG3 in the preseason - and it wasn't close.
He's proven to be the better option, in every system he has been exposed to. He beat out Scott in college and now Vick. Putting up record numbers.

Smells like .... leadership.

PUHLEEESSEE ... eat some crow. I said most pro ready ... and yeah, that includes Luck. Luck, all of a sudden doesn't have star WRs ... Foles never had star WRs in college ... DeSean Jackson? Riley Cooper? And the TE's? It's like a candy store for him. He's never had that surrounding cast.

Javon Criner prolly would not be in the NFL it wasn't for Nick Foles.

 
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Where's that Raiders fan that wanted to bet me over Kenbrell Thompkins now?

He had the balls to say something like, "You only have 150 posts .... just start over" when I said I thought Tompkins ADP was too high. Too much hype.

Do you know who I am? Tough guy? Here's some advice ... direct less of your know it all crap towards me next year. Ok? That is .... unless you want me to make you look stupid again.

 
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Where's that Raiders fan that wanted to bet me over Kenbrell Thompkins now?

He had the balls to say something like, "You only have 150 posts .... just start over" when I said I thought Tompkins ADP was too high. Too much hype.

Do you know who I am? Tough guy? Here's some advice ... direct less of your know it all crap towards me next year. Ok? That is .... unless you want me to make you look stupid again.
Wrong thread?

 
I feel dirty doing it, but I'm starting him over Stafford this week. Last week of regular season and already in playoffs - these two are evenly matched and I'd rather watch the game without having double pressure on Stafford in real life and FF.

This way, if Foles torches our secondary and we lose, I'll have at least made the right FF call, and if Stafford goes big and Lions win I'll be happy anyway.

Of course, it's entirely feasible that both of them score big but I'd rather not be double mad at Stafford if he has a bad game

 
renesauz said:
OG_GF said:
Where's that Raiders fan that wanted to bet me over Kenbrell Thompkins now?

He had the balls to say something like, "You only have 150 posts .... just start over" when I said I thought Tompkins ADP was too high. Too much hype.

Do you know who I am? Tough guy? Here's some advice ... direct less of your know it all crap towards me next year. Ok? That is .... unless you want me to make you look stupid again.
Wrong thread?
It's Giants Fan. He's not mentally right. Has no idea where he is most days.

 
TartanLion said:
I feel dirty doing it, but I'm starting him over Stafford this week. Last week of regular season and already in playoffs - these two are evenly matched and I'd rather watch the game without having double pressure on Stafford in real life and FF.

This way, if Foles torches our secondary and we lose, I'll have at least made the right FF call, and if Stafford goes big and Lions win I'll be happy anyway.

Of course, it's entirely feasible that both of them score big but I'd rather not be double mad at Stafford if he has a bad game
I think I'm going with Foles over Brees, too. Brees was horrible last week and faces another great defense this week (albeit, at home). I'm just thinking that this game could be a shootout and Foles has been a solid fantasy start every week except one.

 
I do think Foles has a big game, but benching Brees at home for round 1 of the fantasy playoffs is crazy talk. The Seahawks at home was a special situation.

 
I do think Foles has a big game, but benching Brees at home for round 1 of the fantasy playoffs is crazy talk. The Seahawks at home was a special situation.
I would not bench Brees at home but I do think that Foles will put up close to if not better numbers. If you're playing percentages though, you play Brees. IF you're shooting for the moon, then I actually think Foles has a better shot at ridiculous numbers.

 
I do think Foles has a big game, but benching Brees at home for round 1 of the fantasy playoffs is crazy talk. The Seahawks at home was a special situation.
I would not bench Brees at home but I do think that Foles will put up close to if not better numbers. If you're playing percentages though, you play Brees. IF you're shooting for the moon, then I actually think Foles has a better shot at ridiculous numbers.
I've been wrestling with this decision all week. In the seven weeks that Foles has been starter, if going head to head with Brees, Foles scored more points 4 times and Brees won 2. On Foles' Bye week, Brees managed 18.5. Brees has also only scored over 20 points, 3 of the last 7 games. Foles has gone over 20 in 5 of his 6 starts.

 
Few weeks ago picked up Foles as an afterthought, "oh might as well" type pickup off free waivers. At the time, my QB's were Rivers/Romo and he was a luxury to even roster. Still have all 3 of these QB's. Now, I'm seriously considering rolling with Foles as my front line starter through the playoffs. And who said late season waiver wires aren't important?

 
I do think Foles has a big game, but benching Brees at home for round 1 of the fantasy playoffs is crazy talk. The Seahawks at home was a special situation.
You don't have any comcerns for a schedule base letdown for Brees? Most are looking for starters to string together 2-3 games in a row. The schedule may not allow a few of those ridiculous 30+ point games. Meanwhile, Foles is around 26 ppg in his last 5 starts with no schedule concerns. I sat Brees last season for R. Wilson. Brees ended up with a better game in the week 16 championship, but RW scored 20+ iirc. It took some nuts, but I wouldn't regretted it had I lost. I put a more consistant producer with more upside in my lineup. I have no issues with that process. I'm sure Brees will be "OK," but that might not carry you to a championship. Some have been questioning this even before the Sea dud. Week 16 away in the old could be a problem.

 
"A more consistent producer with more upside" than Brees.

Look back over the last 3-4 years. There's no such player.

Like I said, I do think Foles has a big game. I just think it's crazy that people actually see a downward trend for Breed and think it will continue. Historically, that's not been the case.

 
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"A more consistent producer with more upside" than Brees.

Look back over the last 3-4 years. There's no such player.

Like I said, I do think Foles has a big game. I just think it's crazy that people actually see a downward trend for Breed and think it will continue. Historically, that's not been the case.
Brees has only thrown 3 or more touchdown passes in 4 of his 12 games this season. Foles has thrown 3 or more in 4 of his 6. Foles is also averaging over 30 yards rushing a game over his last three. That's an extra 3 points that Brees can't give you. I think Foles is the more consistent choice. I think that Brees feasts on weak defenses at home and that's when he gets his 4 or 5 TD games. He doesn't have any more week defenses at home this season. I wish I was wrong, because I own him. He hasn't been that great over the last four games.

 
Your numbers are correct, and you could definitely be correct on this. I just have a hard time not trusting Brees to come through with his fantasy track record.

 
Your numbers are correct, and you could definitely be correct on this. I just have a hard time not trusting Brees to come through with his fantasy track record.
I know exactly where you're coming from. But I let that thinking kill me last week, so I'm going to use the numbers (and matchups) that are before my eyes instead of fantasy reputation this week.

 
I do think Foles has a big game, but benching Brees at home for round 1 of the fantasy playoffs is crazy talk. The Seahawks at home was a special situation.
I would not bench Brees at home but I do think that Foles will put up close to if not better numbers. If you're playing percentages though, you play Brees. IF you're shooting for the moon, then I actually think Foles has a better shot at ridiculous numbers.
I concur

 
FWIW Brees' last 10 home games in primetime he has 33 TD's versus 4 int's
lol. I just saw that tweet. Every time I think I've 100% convinced myself to start Foles over Brees, someone throws a stat at me to make me second guess myself.
I have Brady and Foles and you want to know what I did last week? I flipped a coin. It landed on Brady and I missed out on 3 points.

The biggest thing I would look at this week for you is the weather. Its supposed to be crappy here so you may want to "play it safe" with Brees. I won't have the same luxury this week it seems. With NE being home they're probably gonna have the same crap weather we are.

 
FWIW Brees' last 10 home games in primetime he has 33 TD's versus 4 int's
lol. I just saw that tweet. Every time I think I've 100% convinced myself to start Foles over Brees, someone throws a stat at me to make me second guess myself.
I have Brady and Foles and you want to know what I did last week? I flipped a coin. It landed on Brady and I missed out on 3 points.

The biggest thing I would look at this week for you is the weather. Its supposed to be crappy here so you may want to "play it safe" with Brees. I won't have the same luxury this week it seems. With NE being home they're probably gonna have the same crap weather we are.
That's hilarious. I was faced with the exact same dilemma and my resolution consisted of asking my 5-year-old whether I should play the man in white or the man in green. She said, "Green!", and it turned out to be just enough to give me the season's weekly high score in my league. :hifive:

But as big a Foles homer as I've been I can't see starting him over Brees this week. Even putting his ridiculous home prime-time numbers aside, the Saints are going to come out with something to prove after being embarrassed last week and I think Brees absolutely lights it up.

 
FWIW Brees' last 10 home games in primetime he has 33 TD's versus 4 int's
lol. I just saw that tweet. Every time I think I've 100% convinced myself to start Foles over Brees, someone throws a stat at me to make me second guess myself.
I have Brady and Foles and you want to know what I did last week? I flipped a coin. It landed on Brady and I missed out on 3 points.

The biggest thing I would look at this week for you is the weather. Its supposed to be crappy here so you may want to "play it safe" with Brees. I won't have the same luxury this week it seems. With NE being home they're probably gonna have the same crap weather we are.
That's hilarious. I was faced with the exact same dilemma and my resolution consisted of asking my 5-year-old whether I should play the man in white or the man in green. She said, "Green!", and it turned out to be just enough to give me the season's weekly high score in my league. :hifive:

But as big a Foles homer as I've been I can't see starting him over Brees this week. Even putting his ridiculous home prime-time numbers aside, the Saints are going to come out with something to prove after being embarrassed last week and I think Brees absolutely lights it up.
It doesn't scare you that Carolina hasn't allowed 20 fantasy points to a quarterback all season long? And the fact that in his last home game (against a similarly tough SF defense), Brees only threw one touchdown pass?

 
from pff

Nick Foles continues to struggle with pressure. On 15 pressured dropbacks he went four of ten for 41 yards(52.5 QB rating) and took five sacks.
there was a lot of speculation on his health in that dallas dud, but after watching it I thought dallas was doing a good job of keeping pressure on him.

I'll be interested to see how he handles the lions line

 
Should us Foles owners be backing him up with Vick, just in case Foles gets another concussion or gets hurt in some other way? I would already have added Vick back to my team, but I just cannot justify dropping anyone on my roster. Any drop could come back to hurt me I think. I mean I also have Romo, but if Foles got hurt this week, I'd rather start Vick week 15 in the worst case scenerio of Foles getting hurt actually occurs.

 
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from pff

Nick Foles continues to struggle with pressure. On 15 pressured dropbacks he went four of ten for 41 yards(52.5 QB rating) and took five sacks.
there was a lot of speculation on his health in that dallas dud, but after watching it I thought dallas was doing a good job of keeping pressure on him.

I'll be interested to see how he handles the lions line
Darius Slay out, though. Could be significant.

 
from pff

Nick Foles continues to struggle with pressure. On 15 pressured dropbacks he went four of ten for 41 yards(52.5 QB rating) and took five sacks.
there was a lot of speculation on his health in that dallas dud, but after watching it I thought dallas was doing a good job of keeping pressure on him.

I'll be interested to see how he handles the lions line
Odd

@Jeff_McLane: Nick Foles was blitzed on 23 of 40 drops, per @PFF. Completed 9 of 18 for 135 yards, 2 TDs and was sacked 5 times.

 
from pff

Nick Foles continues to struggle with pressure. On 15 pressured dropbacks he went four of ten for 41 yards(52.5 QB rating) and took five sacks.
there was a lot of speculation on his health in that dallas dud, but after watching it I thought dallas was doing a good job of keeping pressure on him.

I'll be interested to see how he handles the lions line
Darius Slay out, though. Could be significant.
Houston might make it though and he's the better player at this point. Slay started for he injured Houston last week.

 
not all blizes turn into actual pressure. I imagine most QBs have pretty poor ratings on plays where they are pressured (includes all sacks, hit as throwing, intentionally throwing the ball away, etc.).

 
not all blizes turn into actual pressure. I imagine most QBs have pretty poor ratings on plays where they are pressured (includes all sacks, hit as throwing, intentionally throwing the ball away, etc.).
:goodposting:

Show me the quarterback that doesn't "struggle" with pressure? I'd be impressed if anyone excelled when their O line fails?

 
from pff

Nick Foles continues to struggle with pressure. On 15 pressured dropbacks he went four of ten for 41 yards(52.5 QB rating) and took five sacks.
there was a lot of speculation on his health in that dallas dud, but after watching it I thought dallas was doing a good job of keeping pressure on him.

I'll be interested to see how he handles the lions line
Odd

@Jeff_McLane: Nick Foles was blitzed on 23 of 40 drops, per @PFF. Completed 9 of 18 for 135 yards, 2 TDs and was sacked 5 times.
So if you blitz Foles you are either going to sack him or give up a ton of yards and TD's.

 
from pff

Nick Foles continues to struggle with pressure. On 15 pressured dropbacks he went four of ten for 41 yards(52.5 QB rating) and took five sacks.
there was a lot of speculation on his health in that dallas dud, but after watching it I thought dallas was doing a good job of keeping pressure on him.

I'll be interested to see how he handles the lions line
Not surprising, though. Hopefully it's something he can improve upon with time and experience.

 
not all blizes turn into actual pressure. I imagine most QBs have pretty poor ratings on plays where they are pressured (includes all sacks, hit as throwing, intentionally throwing the ball away, etc.).
:goodposting:

Show me the quarterback that doesn't "struggle" with pressure? I'd be impressed if anyone excelled when their O line fails?
Yea, isn't that pretty much the definition of how to beat QB's? Hmm, Peyton Manning is tearing us up, we need to get pressure on him to win, etc... I would like to see him take less sacks though.

 
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Is Nick Foles the real deal? And, go.

Dude's played roughly half a season's work give or take and he has a substantially better QBR than everyone in the league. That includes Peyton Manning, your probable NFL MVP this year.

Them's some apples.

 

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