Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Oh man this snow is nuts. Hope he can handle it! My home team and fanatsy team depends on it!!
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The Nick Foles era (2 Viewers)
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sports_fan
Footballguy
INT
babydemon90
Footballguy
Almost glad the INT streak is done. It had to be in his head a little bit... Don't expect him to do anything this game in this weather, but hopefully he continues to make good progress this season.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Completed 50% while Stafford completes 40%.
2 TDs (1 pass, 1 rush) and but for Celek pulling a Westbrook-esque act of unselfishness had a 3rd TD.
Game balls today go to Shady McCoy and the O-line but Foles is a big reason why the offense scored 34 and could have scored 41 in the 4th quarter today.
Refreshing to see late game adjustments this week. Folds made plays when he had to and really made very few mistakes under extreme conditions. Compared to a very good young contemporary in Stafford he sure looked the part.
5 game streak and very confident in Nick going forward!!
2 TDs (1 pass, 1 rush) and but for Celek pulling a Westbrook-esque act of unselfishness had a 3rd TD.
Game balls today go to Shady McCoy and the O-line but Foles is a big reason why the offense scored 34 and could have scored 41 in the 4th quarter today.
Refreshing to see late game adjustments this week. Folds made plays when he had to and really made very few mistakes under extreme conditions. Compared to a very good young contemporary in Stafford he sure looked the part.
5 game streak and very confident in Nick going forward!!
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Game face was on when it mattered and he looked to get better and better. He seems to just be checking things off the list of 'to do's' at this point.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Re: Foles matchup...
Last 5 games Vikings are 2-2-1. Not playing bad football at all. Here is how qbs have fared against them over that stretch:
@ MIN. RGIII - 281 YDS, 3 TD, 0 INT
@SEA. Wilson - 230 YDS, 2 TD, 0 INT
@GB Flynn/Tolzien - 316 YDS, 1 TD, 0 INT (1 TD rush)
@MIN McCown - 355 YDS, 2 TD, 0 INT
@BAL. Flacco - 245 YDS, 3 TD, 3 INT
Average: 285 YDS, 2.2 TD, 0.6 INT
Multiple TDs to each of the last 5 QBs faced. Only 1 game with an INT (although they got 3 in that game)
Foles over the last 5 games averaging 270 YDS, 2.8 TD, 0.2 INT. Eagles have won all 5 games. Also has averaged 28 YDS rushing and has 2 TDs on the ground.
Start with confidence here. 270 and 2 pass TDs, as well as 20 rush yards seems like a floor. 23.5 in WCOFF scoring. Upside tremendous.
Last 5 games Vikings are 2-2-1. Not playing bad football at all. Here is how qbs have fared against them over that stretch:
@ MIN. RGIII - 281 YDS, 3 TD, 0 INT
@SEA. Wilson - 230 YDS, 2 TD, 0 INT
@GB Flynn/Tolzien - 316 YDS, 1 TD, 0 INT (1 TD rush)
@MIN McCown - 355 YDS, 2 TD, 0 INT
@BAL. Flacco - 245 YDS, 3 TD, 3 INT
Average: 285 YDS, 2.2 TD, 0.6 INT
Multiple TDs to each of the last 5 QBs faced. Only 1 game with an INT (although they got 3 in that game)
Foles over the last 5 games averaging 270 YDS, 2.8 TD, 0.2 INT. Eagles have won all 5 games. Also has averaged 28 YDS rushing and has 2 TDs on the ground.
Start with confidence here. 270 and 2 pass TDs, as well as 20 rush yards seems like a floor. 23.5 in WCOFF scoring. Upside tremendous.
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SWC
Bromigo
first you are a english teacher and next you say any nickname that is not the great foley cannoli is good you and me brohan you and me there is a storm a brewing take that to the bank just kidding brohanGreat Name!
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/12/nick-foles-philadelphia-eagles/
USA Today - 'Nick Foles has an incredible life based on these 7 indisputable facts'
USA Today - 'Nick Foles has an incredible life based on these 7 indisputable facts'
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
My buddies and me have been going with 'Post Vick Nick' for the moment. Nickfolean Dynamite works too.first you are a english teacher and next you say any nickname that is not the great foley cannoli is good you and me brohan you and me there is a storm a brewing take that to the bank just kidding brohan
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Really good post. I have to admit, this one post probably changed my mind about benching Foles for Rivers. I do not like rolling out half my team on Thursday Night Football. Too many eggs in one basket. Also, I'm the favorite, so a solid floor from Foles reduces some of the variance if Thursday Night is for some reason a low scoring game. I still like Rivers ceiling more but I'm warming to Foles floor. Thanks for the research MM.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I think after this season Foles is almost universally considered a top-8 dynasty QB. Maybe higher.
dhockster
Footballguy
Kneel down and you win the game.
Score and you are ahead by 3 scores with 1:50 left. Of course no one can score 3 TD's that quick. Oh wait, didn't the Minnesota-Baltimore game have 5 TD's in the last 2 plus minutes?
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Real Man of Genius
Footballguy
jasvic
Footballguy
Aside from that, and Celek mentioned this himself, you end the game and remove the unnecessary risk of injury to your defensive players having to bat down hail marys in the snow. It's wasn't just the smart play, it was the only play. Anything else would have been selfish and stupid.
Exactly. I'm sure Kelly called the play so that they could finish running out the clock, but being a new coach, he probably told them to not score. The last thing he wants to do is come off as some brash, show off rubbing an opponent's nose in a loss by scoring a touchdown with time running out in a game they had already locked up. I guarantee Celek didn't make that decision.
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
I agree, 100%. Was looking for a shoulder to cry on though. Good to know there was someone else out there.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
And then Nick Foles happened
http://sinfl.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/nick-foles-sports-illustrated-cover-philadelphia-eagles.jpg
http://sinfl.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/nick-foles-sports-illustrated-cover-philadelphia-eagles.jpg
Insein
Footballguy
Hells yea. Does a curse still count if I can't remember the last time I read a SI (Swimsuit edition doesn't count because I don't actually read it).
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ShaHBucks
Footballguy
I read about number 2 a few weeks ago. It's pretty cool that he still comes off a humble as he does considering that and his success.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Not a lot of the experts are putting him that high yet but I'm considering keeping him in a Keep 6 mini-dynasty. --- Would love some dyno-discussion.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
If you put Manning into a mini-tier of his own for win-now teams only, how many QB's are you taking over Foles going forward if he finishes the season the way he's been playing?Cam
Rodgers
Brees
Luck
Wilson
Stafford
Brady? Ryan? Kaepernick? RG3?
I think I was selling him short. I think you can make a case for him being top-6, if you prefer him over some of the names above. Not all will--I'm not sure I do, either. But it's something to think about.
* it's late, I may have forgotten some names here.
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Stafford, that's right. I'll edit that in, thanks. Still, when you out the names down and look at it, he ends up higher than you'd think. I'm in.
Strictly Dynasty..
1 Rodgers
2 Brees
3 Luck
4 Foles-Stafford-RG3-Wilson
I have these 4 all interchangeable. Even though RG3 has had a bad year I am not ready to discount him. Get a new offensive coordinator, coach, and get him 100% and he is a force.
8 Manning
9 Cam - I still don't trust him as a passer.
10 Kap - I for sure don't trust him as a passer - barely 200 yards a game.
Rivers - Romo - Brady - Ryan - Dalton round it out for me.
I am probably forgetting someone obvious. That is just off the top of my head.
But we all have to remember how fast dynasty rankings can change. At the start of this season Kapernick was all the rage - the experts choice as top 4-5. Since week 1 - Kap has thrown for over 200 yards only 3 times!
1 Rodgers
2 Brees
3 Luck
4 Foles-Stafford-RG3-Wilson
I have these 4 all interchangeable. Even though RG3 has had a bad year I am not ready to discount him. Get a new offensive coordinator, coach, and get him 100% and he is a force.
8 Manning
9 Cam - I still don't trust him as a passer.
10 Kap - I for sure don't trust him as a passer - barely 200 yards a game.
Rivers - Romo - Brady - Ryan - Dalton round it out for me.
I am probably forgetting someone obvious. That is just off the top of my head.
But we all have to remember how fast dynasty rankings can change. At the start of this season Kapernick was all the rage - the experts choice as top 4-5. Since week 1 - Kap has thrown for over 200 yards only 3 times!
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I own the guy a lot, but have no idea how to value him long-term. What he's done since Week 7 is obviously not sustainable, but there's no way to know where his ultimate level is. OTOH, he's 24. So if he manages to be a top 6-8 guy (instead of a top 1-2 guy) for the next eight years his overall value would be as good as anyone's, after Rodgers.
I came into 2013 thin at QB, so I'm holding and hoping. But I could see people both buying and selling due to the unknowns.
I came into 2013 thin at QB, so I'm holding and hoping. But I could see people both buying and selling due to the unknowns.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Certainly, the 120 QBR, 1 INT guys isn't sustainable but there is no reason to believe that he couldn't be a perennial 100 QBR, 30 TD guy. Foles biggest deterrence right now for FF players is his perception. People view him as a 3rd round pick so they are waiting for him to fail. It's going to take a good playoff run to erase the perceptions. The scary thing about Foles is that his offense may very well get MORE weapons next year. I can't imagine how deadly this offense would have been with a healthy Maclin added to the receiving corp.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I'm starting to get nervous about starting Foles this weekend. Here's my thoughts:
Last week Foles got off to a slow start, obviously the weather played a factor. But the Lions had a 14 pt second half lead, and forced the Eagles in the second half of that game into comeback mode. Eagles ran all over the Lions in the second half and won going away. But Foles was very involved in the initial comeback.
Looking forward to the Minnesota game, Eagles run game is really cranking right now, and if they are in a position to salt away an easy win, they could ask Foles to hand it off pretty much all of the second half. The Vikings are a mess right now. Probably no AP and maybe not even Gerhart. And Carlson might also be a no-go. Matt Cassell isn't scaring anyone, and the Philly defense is highly underrated now, after a very poor first half of the season. They could shut them down early.
I see Foles getting his 150/2 by the end of the first half taking advantage of the first half, due to the awful Vikings secondary. And then game managing in the second half, finishing with a ho-hum 225/2 type game, letting Shady and Brown do the work. If Minnesota can't put pressure on the Eagles, like the Lions were able to do last week, I'm afraid that Foles upside will be limited. Still think he's a low QB1, but I am starting to doubt his upside.
Last week Foles got off to a slow start, obviously the weather played a factor. But the Lions had a 14 pt second half lead, and forced the Eagles in the second half of that game into comeback mode. Eagles ran all over the Lions in the second half and won going away. But Foles was very involved in the initial comeback.
Looking forward to the Minnesota game, Eagles run game is really cranking right now, and if they are in a position to salt away an easy win, they could ask Foles to hand it off pretty much all of the second half. The Vikings are a mess right now. Probably no AP and maybe not even Gerhart. And Carlson might also be a no-go. Matt Cassell isn't scaring anyone, and the Philly defense is highly underrated now, after a very poor first half of the season. They could shut them down early.
I see Foles getting his 150/2 by the end of the first half taking advantage of the first half, due to the awful Vikings secondary. And then game managing in the second half, finishing with a ho-hum 225/2 type game, letting Shady and Brown do the work. If Minnesota can't put pressure on the Eagles, like the Lions were able to do last week, I'm afraid that Foles upside will be limited. Still think he's a low QB1, but I am starting to doubt his upside.
I think he needs to be ahead of Luck and Wilson at this point. Both QBs are on teams that want to run. Wilson, despite improving on his rookie year is probably going to throw less than 450 passes this year, while Luck's OC and HC want to be a run-first team. I would probably go:
Manning
Brees
Rodgers
Cam
Foles
as my top-5 QBs for next year.
Chip Kelly doesn't strike me as a 'take your foot off the gas' kind of coach. I'm not saying he'll be passing if they're up 38-7, but he'll certainly be passing to get to that 38.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Wouldnt this be a concern with almost any good team/QB against and inferior opponent?
You obviously are not watching too many Vikings games this year. Vikings are playing tough pretty much every week. They are not giving anything up.
Additionally, aside from the fact that the Vikings are not going to roll over, any time you try to predict what is going to happen in an NFL game in terms of how bad another team is going to get beat it does not come to fruition. Exhibit 1A is Jags vs. Broncos a few weeks ago. Even last week we had Pats/Browns.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Yes, but as of last week the Philly matchup looked only marginally superior to the Vikes. Now it looks vastly superior. I'd have the same concern if say the Broncos were facing the Vikings to be honest.
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