The Nick Foles era (2 Viewers)

[Amused to Death]

Is Foles practicing? The FBG email noting the abrasion on the hand is the first I heard of it. Presume all is ok.

If he was missing practice, I'd imagine this would be getting far more press. Most news site don't even mention this. The only article I can find that mentions it is here and even in that article it's basically a side note.

Here's yesterday's Eagles injury news. I assume Foles is OK when Brandon Boykin is the most significant Eagles' injury to recognize. Foles' name doesn't appear on the page.

 

[Awful Waffle]

Kind of bored so I just ran some numbers. If you took Nick Foles' fantasy points from only the games he started and finished this year, he's averaging 31 PPG, which would put him at 527 points in a full 17 week season. Peyton Manning is projected to finish with 394.

Foles is also averaging:

15.5 PPG overall (that includes 4 games he did not play in)

21.7 PPG in games he played (that's counting every start, the 4th quarter against Denver, and the 2nd half against the Giants when Vick was injured)

27.1 PPG in games he started (so all starts including his awful game against Dallas)

He had a concussion that game?

He suffered a concussion in the 2nd half and did not return. Though some have speculated he had some sort of groin injury that wasn't reported prior to the game.

 

[cstu]

Trying to decide what to do with Foles in a dynasty league. I have both Foles and Rodgers, as well as Bradford. What has Foles been going for lately?

I'm in a similar situation, having Cam and Foles in a dynasty. I think Cam is more valuable, but it's close. I'm planning to shop Cam, as I am comfortable going into next year with Foles as my QB1, and I expect Cam to garner a lot more attention than Foles.

Foles isn't going to net anywhere near his value in 1 QB leagues right now. I wouldn't trade Cam either unless I got an outstanding offer.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I'm a little concerned for Foles this week. I know he threw for 400 plus and some Tds last week vs Minnesota but when the game was close, that offense was not clicking. It was only when Minnesota was ahead did he start getting all those yards and Tds in an easy place to play considering weather.

This game vs Chicago is outdoors in late Dec and the Bears are above average against the pass. I don't know what my expectations are for him in this game, I certainly don't think he'll get 400 yards and 3tds. The abrasion doesn't overly worry me at this point, but it doesn't make me happy.

In two championships with him as my guy and in one I have Romo vs Washington and the other Kaep vs Atlanta, both solid starts in weather friendly places. Foles has been the guy to get me to this point and I'm leaning on going with him again but I will be paying close attention to weather predictions closer to game day and this abrasion that may or may not be anything, it's not like they'll advertise it being bad when it is a must win game for both teams.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'm a little concerned for Foles this week. I know he threw for 400 plus and some Tds last week vs Minnesota but when the game was close, that offense was not clicking. It was only when Minnesota was ahead did he start getting all those yards and Tds in an easy place to play considering weather.

This game vs Chicago is outdoors in late Dec and the Bears are above average against the pass. I don't know what my expectations are for him in this game, I certainly don't think he'll get 400 yards and 3tds. The abrasion doesn't overly worry me at this point, but it doesn't make me happy.

In two championships with him as my guy and in one I have Romo vs Washington and the other Kaep vs Atlanta, both solid starts in weather friendly places. Foles has been the guy to get me to this point and I'm leaning on going with him again but I will be paying close attention to weather predictions closer to game day and this abrasion that may or may not be anything, it's not like they'll advertise it being bad when it is a must win game for both teams.

It wasn't like it was garbage time when he started to go off. The game was close and he narrowed the ago very quick. If you believe the bears will score a decent amount then he's a just start. IMHO, he's a must start no matter what.

And it's supposed to be like 70 degrees here on Sunday.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I'm a little concerned for Foles this week. I know he threw for 400 plus and some Tds last week vs Minnesota but when the game was close, that offense was not clicking. It was only when Minnesota was ahead did he start getting all those yards and Tds in an easy place to play considering weather.

This game vs Chicago is outdoors in late Dec and the Bears are above average against the pass. I don't know what my expectations are for him in this game, I certainly don't think he'll get 400 yards and 3tds. The abrasion doesn't overly worry me at this point, but it doesn't make me happy.

In two championships with him as my guy and in one I have Romo vs Washington and the other Kaep vs Atlanta, both solid starts in weather friendly places. Foles has been the guy to get me to this point and I'm leaning on going with him again but I will be paying close attention to weather predictions closer to game day and this abrasion that may or may not be anything, it's not like they'll advertise it being bad when it is a must win game for both teams.

It wasn't like it was garbage time when he started to go off. The game was close and he narrowed the ago very quick. If you believe the bears will score a decent amount then he's a just start. IMHO, he's a must start no matter what.

And it's supposed to be like 70 degrees here on Sunday.

I am glad to hear the weather should be warm.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Just another day at the office for Foles: 21 for 25 for 225 yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions and a 131.7 passer rating. Foles completed 84 percent of his passes, breaking Rodney Peete’s franchise record for accuracy (83.3 percent vs. Lions in 1996). That’s 25 touchdowns and two interceptions this year for the 24-year-old out of Arizona. The most TDs in NFL history by a quarterback throwing two or fewer interceptions? Boomer Esiason had 13 TDs and two INTs in seven games in 1997 after replacing Jeff Blake. Insane.

This is incredible: Donovan McNabb was a six-time Pro Bowl quarterback and is considered a borderline Hall of Famer. Yet he had only two seasons with more touchdown passes than Nick Foles has in the equivalent of 9½ games this year. In about 60 percent of a season, Foles' 25 touchdown passes are sixth-most in franchise history. Insane. The five ahead of him: Sonny Jurgensen (32 in 1961), McNabb (31 in 2004), Randall Cunningham (30 in 1990), Norm Snead (29 in 1967) and Ron Jaworski (27 in 1980). Just insane.

The last three weeks, the Eagles have netted 478, 475 and 451 yards of offense, the first time in 60 years (!) they’ve netted 450 or more three straight games. They’re only the second team in NFL history with 10 games in a season with 425 or more yards. They look unstoppable right now, and it all starts up front. Those guys just took the fight right out of the Bears Sunday night.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I expect Foles' TD% and INT% will regress some next year, but with a full off-season, a 2nd year in the offense, a stable coaching staff and a year of experience I also think his Comp% will go up a bit and he'll cut down on the sacks some.

As long as they're running Kelly's offense (which looks to be for the indefinite future at this point) I'm buying him as a top-5 guy.

 

[steveski]

I was pretty set on keeping Keenan Allen for an 8th rounder next year, but I'm starting to think keeping Foles for an 8th would be a safer bet.

 

[babydemon90]

Kirk Cousins has more interceptions then Foles.

 

[TartanLion]

I've had Foles in for Stafford past four weeks and it has worked out very well.

There is no doubt in my mind that I will be targeting Foles as an underrated QB next year in my re-draft league. Let the others fight over the likes of Brees, Rodgers, Manning etc

 

[Chaka]

I've had Foles in for Stafford past four weeks and it has worked out very well.

There is no doubt in my mind that I will be targeting Foles as an underrated QB next year in my re-draft league. Let the others fight over the likes of Brees, Rodgers, Manning etc

I am not certain he will be underrated by anyone next year.

 

[cstu]

Historically it's amazing what he's doing as a 2nd year QB:

1	Nick Foles	qb	2013	24	2	12	186	291	2628	9.03	25	2	270.42	Dan Marino	qb	1984	23	2	16	362	564	5084	9.01	48	17	428.53	Roethlisberger	qb	2005	23	2	13	168	268	2385	8.90	17	9	203.24	Kurt Warner	qb	1999	28	2	16	325	499	4353	8.72	41	13	383.95	Eric Hipple	qb	1981	24	2	16	140	279	2358	8.45	14	15	217.76	Culpepper	qb	2000	23	2	16	297	474	3937	8.31	33	16	401.97	Kaepernick	qb	2012	25	2	13	136	218	1809	8.30	10	3	199.28	Russell Wilson	qb	2013	25	2	15	242	384	3185	8.29	25	9	310.39	Norm Snead	qb	1962	23	2	14	184	354	2926	8.27	22	22	231.310	B.Esiason	qb	1985	24	2	15	251	431	3443	7.99	27	12	282.111	Cam Newton	qb	2012	23	2	16	280	485	3869	7.98	19	12	380.212	Ken O'Brien	qb	1985	25	2	16	297	488	3888	7.97	25	8	292.213	Char.Johnson	qb	1962	24	2	11	150	308	2440	7.92	16	20	197.814	Mark Rypien	qb	1989	27	2	14	280	476	3768	7.92	22	13	275.015	F. Tarkenton	qb	1962	22	2	14	163	329	2595	7.89	22	25	240.916	P. Manning	qb	1999	23	2	16	331	533	4135	7.76	26	15	315.1

 

[cstu]

I expect Foles' TD% and INT% will regress some next year, but with a full off-season, a 2nd year in the offense, a stable coaching staff and a year of experience I also think his Comp% will go up a bit and he'll cut down on the sacks some.

As long as they're running Kelly's offense (which looks to be for the indefinite future at this point) I'm buying him as a top-5 guy.

Outside of the Dallas game he's completed 67% of his passes.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I expect Foles' TD% and INT% will regress some next year, but with a full off-season, a 2nd year in the offense, a stable coaching staff and a year of experience I also think his Comp% will go up a bit and he'll cut down on the sacks some.

As long as they're running Kelly's offense (which looks to be for the indefinite future at this point) I'm buying him as a top-5 guy.

Outside of the Dallas game he's completed 67% of his passes.

Yeah... but I'm hesitant to just throw that game out. Great QBs still have bad games. Was his due to injury, or just an off day/good scheme/etc? Sometimes it happens.

If he comes back next year and does something like 67% for 30/12 over 16 games I'd feel good about making him the #1 dynasty QB going into 2015.

 

[cstu]

I expect Foles' TD% and INT% will regress some next year, but with a full off-season, a 2nd year in the offense, a stable coaching staff and a year of experience I also think his Comp% will go up a bit and he'll cut down on the sacks some.

As long as they're running Kelly's offense (which looks to be for the indefinite future at this point) I'm buying him as a top-5 guy.

Outside of the Dallas game he's completed 67% of his passes.

Yeah... but I'm hesitant to just throw that game out. Great QBs still have bad games. Was his due to injury, or just an off day/good scheme/etc? Sometimes it happens.

If he comes back next year and does something like 67% for 30/12 over 16 games I'd feel good about making him the #1 dynasty QB going into 2015.

I'm not going to completely discount it but there's a short list of QB's who can do that in a 9 out 10 game stretch.

 

[JuniorNB]

I expect Foles' TD% and INT% will regress some next year, but with a full off-season, a 2nd year in the offense, a stable coaching staff and a year of experience I also think his Comp% will go up a bit and he'll cut down on the sacks some.

As long as they're running Kelly's offense (which looks to be for the indefinite future at this point) I'm buying him as a top-5 guy.

Outside of the Dallas game he's completed 67% of his passes.

Yeah... but I'm hesitant to just throw that game out. Great QBs still have bad games. Was his due to injury, or just an off day/good scheme/etc? Sometimes it happens.

If he comes back next year and does something like 67% for 30/12 over 16 games I'd feel good about making him the #1 dynasty QB going into 2015.

He was dealing with a groin strain that week in practice. He downplayed it but I believe it was bothering him. He was very inaccurate that game, which is normally hos strong suit. I think he wasn't stepping into his throws the same.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Buy buy buy in dynasty, depending on your individual league and format. There are a surprising amount of dynasty owners who won't even commit to Foles being top-10:

forum.dynastyleaguefootball.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=60472

 

[ShaHBucks]

He only going to get better. Yikes!

 

[babydemon90]

Buy buy buy in dynasty, depending on your individual league and format. There are a surprising amount of dynasty owners who won't even commit to Foles being top-10:

forum.dynastyleaguefootball.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=60472

The 'it's the system' argument fails to account for just how horrific Matt Barkely was. Is it the system - sure, but not just any QB can run it. I am sure other QB's besides Foles could run it, but I don't think he is 'JAG' - he seems to really get the system.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

thank you Nick Foles for a championship

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Buy buy buy in dynasty, depending on your individual league and format. There are a surprising amount of dynasty owners who won't even commit to Foles being top-10:

forum.dynastyleaguefootball.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=60472

The 'it's the system' argument fails to account for just how horrific Matt Barkely was. Is it the system - sure, but not just any QB can run it. I am sure other QB's besides Foles could run it, but I don't think he is 'JAG' - he seems to really get the system.

Well, barkley isnt the best comparison because he is a rookie. However, i think it falls somewhere in between the system and Foles playing great football. The question is, once the league catches up to it next season how do they do. It will be interesting to see. i would definitely be buying in dynasty however at this point.

 

[Awful Waffle]

Buy buy buy in dynasty, depending on your individual league and format. There are a surprising amount of dynasty owners who won't even commit to Foles being top-10:

forum.dynastyleaguefootball.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=60472

The 'it's the system' argument fails to account for just how horrific Matt Barkely was. Is it the system - sure, but not just any QB can run it. I am sure other QB's besides Foles could run it, but I don't think he is 'JAG' - he seems to really get the system.

I'm not sure Barkley will ever become more than a solid backup, but I don't think it's fair to say the system doesn't work because of him. He played meaningful snaps in two games. He was not the starter and did not get starters reps during that week in either situation. Give him a whole week of reps and preparation as the #1 and I think the situation would have been different. Don't think he would have done what Foles or Vick did, but I don't think he would have been as bad as he was against Dallas and New York.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@ESPNStatsInfo: Nick Foles sets NFL record for best TD-INT ratio in single season (27 TD, 2 INT)

 

[babydemon90]

Unquestioned starter in 2014?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Unquestioned starter in 2014?

Barring injury in the playoffs, yes.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Unquestioned starter in 2014?

You're looking at a star buddy. Star.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

That pass over the top to Celek where only he could come down with it was a thing of beauty.

 

[Insein]

Nicky Franchise.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Unquestioned starter in 2014?

Chip will bring in his guy in the draft. Foles doesn't fit in this offense.

 

[sporthenry]

Unquestioned starter in 2014?

No doubt. But he did struggle tonight. Next year will seemingly be a big year in determining how he grows. Right now, I'd put him right in there with guys like Kaep, Wilson, etc. Hopefully this off season he gets a full off season with Chip and we see him even more comfortable at the LOS. Seemed a bit confused at times and while I think he'll be around for many more years, that will determine if he leads us to a Lombardi or not.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

@ESPNStatsInfo: Nick Foles sets NFL record for best TD-INT ratio in single season (27 TD, 2 INT)

Benny Friedman had 20 TDs and 0 INTs in 1929.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Unquestioned starter in 2014?

No doubt. But he did struggle tonight. Next year will seemingly be a big year in determining how he grows. Right now, I'd put him right in there with guys like Kaep, Wilson, etc. Hopefully this off season he gets a full off season with Chip and we see him even more comfortable at the LOS. Seemed a bit confused at times and while I think he'll be around for many more years, that will determine if he leads us to a Lombardi or not.

I saw some definite flaws in his game tonight. Of course he is eligible to improve going forward but he'll have to, to take his team and win a SB. The NFC East is the worst I have ever seen it from top to bottom, Philly needed every minute of the season to win it. I would say the same thing if Dallas had won but they are up against it IMO, they are a badly coached team (Dallas) with many injuries. It concerns me that Foles hit the ground as many times as he did.I want Philly to beat NO, i am the type of fan who roots for their division to win after their team is out. In other threads during the course of the year I've stated how bad the East is and I think it'll show next week, even at home.

 

[dhockster]

Unquestioned starter in 2014?

No doubt. But he did struggle tonight. Next year will seemingly be a big year in determining how he grows. Right now, I'd put him right in there with guys like Kaep, Wilson, etc. Hopefully this off season he gets a full off season with Chip and we see him even more comfortable at the LOS. Seemed a bit confused at times and while I think he'll be around for many more years, that will determine if he leads us to a Lombardi or not.

I saw some definite flaws in his game tonight. Of course he is eligible to improve going forward but he'll have to, to take his team and win a SB. The NFC East is the worst I have ever seen it from top to bottom, Philly needed every minute of the season to win it. I would say the same thing if Dallas had won but they are up against it IMO, they are a badly coached team (Dallas) with many injuries. It concerns me that Foles hit the ground as many times as he did.I want Philly to beat NO, i am the type of fan who roots for their division to win after their team is out. In other threads during the course of the year I've stated how bad the East is and I think it'll show next week, even at home.

No doubt, the Eagles have some work to do. The defense was bad last year, and went from bad to mediocre during the course of this year. They have some good young players developing but could probably used one or two solid veterans in free agency, as well as some high draft picks to solidify the defense. They have the cap room to target the players they want, and both offense and defense should improve as they will be entering year two of both systems.

Could the Eagles get blown out by the Saints next week? Sure, but they could also make it a high scoring thriller where they get a TO or two at the right time to win. The Eagles went from worst to first to win the division. No matter how bad the division is they won it. Everything from here on out is gravy.

Keep in mind that the Eagles were 4-2 in the division but also 6-4 outside of the division. The NFC East's poor standing this year has no bearing on the Eagles winning record outside of the division.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Huge Foles fan, dynasty owner in most leagues and love what we've seen. But his pocket awareness under pressure isn't all that great and he takes a ton of sacks because of it. Some of them come because he's trying to keep plays alive, but a lot of them are after he drops his eyes and starts lurching around in the pocket. Would like to see him learn to just throw it away, but I'm not convinced that a better feel for pressure is a learnable thing.

 

[Chaka]

I think the Eagles should be favored this week. New Orleans can't play outdoors.

 

[Chaka]

The defense was bad last year, and went from bad to mediocre during the course of this year. They have some good young players developing but could probably used one or two solid veterans in free agency, as well as some high draft picks to solidify the defense. They have the cap room to target the players they want, and both offense and defense should improve as they will be entering year two of both systems.

A couple shrewd free agent defensive pickups and draft picks and this looks like a team poised to be good for a long time.

 

[msudaisy26]

Huge Foles fan, dynasty owner in most leagues and love what we've seen. But his pocket awareness under pressure isn't all that great and he takes a ton of sacks because of it. Some of them come because he's trying to keep plays alive, but a lot of them are after he drops his eyes and starts lurching around in the pocket. Would like to see him learn to just throw it away, but I'm not convinced that a better feel for pressure is a learnable thing.

Isn't that something young quarterbacks have to learn? Kind of like pass blocking for young running backs.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Huge Foles fan, dynasty owner in most leagues and love what we've seen. But his pocket awareness under pressure isn't all that great and he takes a ton of sacks because of it. Some of them come because he's trying to keep plays alive, but a lot of them are after he drops his eyes and starts lurching around in the pocket. Would like to see him learn to just throw it away, but I'm not convinced that a better feel for pressure is a learnable thing.

Isn't that something young quarterbacks have to learn? Kind of like pass blocking for young running backs.

not really, the best of the best fold with big time pressure in their face, thats how you beat em, Brady vs NYG etc,

DeMarcus Ware and the boys looked really good last night, trying hard.

 

[JuniorNB]

The play at the end where McCoy fell down and Foles had the game awareness to slide down inbounds to keep the clock running was a veteran move. Not even sure that most veterans would have thought of it.

 

[Insein]

The play at the end where McCoy fell down and Foles had the game awareness to slide down inbounds to keep the clock running was a veteran move. Not even sure that most veterans would have thought of it.

That plus the awareness to not force the ball in there and cause an incompletion or worse an int is something a lot of NFL qbs still don't understand. There are no style points in the nfl. Live to play another down for your team.

 

[JuniorNB]

The play at the end where McCoy fell down and Foles had the game awareness to slide down inbounds to keep the clock running was a veteran move. Not even sure that most veterans would have thought of it.

That plus the awareness to not force the ball in there and cause an incompletion or worse an int is something a lot of NFL qbs still don't understand. There are no style points in the nfl. Live to play another down for your team.

True. You basically saw the difference between Foles and Romo on that play. Romo would have spun back the other way and tried to be a hero by making something happen that wasn't there.

 

[cstu]

Here are the final numbers for 2nd year QB's. Not only did he have the highest YPA but he also had the lowest INT% (by far actually).

              NAME 	POS 	YR 	AGE 	EXP 	G 	CMP 	ATT 	PYD 	Y/A 	PTD 	INT 	FANT PT1	Nick Foles	qb	2013	24	2	13	203	317	2891	9.12	27	2	291.12	Dan Marino	qb	1984	23	2	16	362	564	5084	9.01	48	17	428.53	Roethlisberger	qb	2005	23	2	13	168	268	2385	8.90	17	9	203.24	Kurt Warner	qb	1999	28	2	16	325	499	4353	8.72	41	13	383.95	Eric Hipple	qb	1981	24	2	16	140	279	2358	8.45	14	15	217.76	D. Culpepper	qb	2000	23	2	16	297	474	3937	8.31	33	16	401.97	C. Kaepernick	qb	2012	25	2	13	136	218	1809	8.30	10	3	199.28	Norm Snead	qb	1962	23	2	14	184	354	2926	8.27	22	22	231.39	Russell Wilson	qb	2013	25	2	16	257	407	3357	8.25	26	9	322.810	B. Esiason	qb	1985	24	2	15	251	431	3443	7.99	27	12	282.111	Cam Newton	qb	2012	23	2	16	280	485	3869	7.98	19	12	380.212	Ken O'Brien	qb	1985	25	2	16	297	488	3888	7.97	25	8	292.213	Ch. Johnson	qb	1962	24	2	11	150	308	2440	7.92	16	20	197.814	Mark Rypien	qb	1989	27	2	14	280	476	3768	7.92	22	13	275.015	F. Tarkenton	qb	1962	22	2	14	163	329	2595	7.89	22	25	240.916	P. Manning	qb	1999	23	2	16	331	533	4135	7.76	26	15	315.117	S. Beuerlein	qb	1989	24	2	10	108	217	1677	7.73	13	9	130.818	Jeff Garcia	qb	2000	30	2	16	355	561	4278	7.63	31	10	393.3

 

[cstu]

Huge Foles fan, dynasty owner in most leagues and love what we've seen. But his pocket awareness under pressure isn't all that great and he takes a ton of sacks because of it. Some of them come because he's trying to keep plays alive, but a lot of them are after he drops his eyes and starts lurching around in the pocket. Would like to see him learn to just throw it away, but I'm not convinced that a better feel for pressure is a learnable thing.

You know who also gets sacked too much? Aaron Rodgers.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The play at the end where McCoy fell down and Foles had the game awareness to slide down inbounds to keep the clock running was a veteran move. Not even sure that most veterans would have thought of it.

That plus the awareness to not force the ball in there and cause an incompletion or worse an int is something a lot of NFL qbs still don't understand. There are no style points in the nfl. Live to play another down for your team.

True. You basically saw the difference between Foles and Romo on that play. Romo would have spun back the other way and tried to be a hero by making something happen that wasn't there.

It was a great play,

Huge Foles fan, dynasty owner in most leagues and love what we've seen. But his pocket awareness under pressure isn't all that great and he takes a ton of sacks because of it. Some of them come because he's trying to keep plays alive, but a lot of them are after he drops his eyes and starts lurching around in the pocket. Would like to see him learn to just throw it away, but I'm not convinced that a better feel for pressure is a learnable thing.

You know who also gets sacked too much? Aaron Rodgers.

And Russel Wilson, Colin Kaepernick and all of the running/scrambling QBs.

I'm not convinced they're the right comps for Foles though. He might be a hybrid type guy like Roethlisberger (a big pocket passer who moves around a lot to extend plays), but Rodgers and Roeth seem to know where the pressure is more naturally than Foles.

Again, love the guy. Happy to own him. Think he's a bonafide starter for a lot of years. Just not 100% convinced yet that he's in the uber-elite tier he appears to be after his 2013 campaign.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So if not held somehow in dynasty or via redraft how do people think Foles is going to be viewed in next year's draft?

Hot commodity or will people undervalue him for one reason or another? No way to tell yet? Is Stafford after his first big year a good comparison?

 

[Joe Summer]

Here are the final numbers for 2nd year QB's. Not only did he have the highest YPA but he also had the lowest INT% (by far actually).

FWIW, some of those guys weren't technically "2nd year" players. Garcia played several years in the CFL, Warner played in the Arena league and NFL-Europe, O'Brien, Beuerlein and Charley Johnson were in their 3rd years, and Rypien was actually in his 4th year (did not play his first 2 years),

 

[JuniorNB]

So if not held somehow in dynasty or via redraft how do people think Foles is going to be viewed in next year's draft?

Hot commodity or will people undervalue him for one reason or another? No way to tell yet? Is Stafford after his first big year a good comparison?

I'd say he goes after Manning, Rodgers, Brees, and Newton.

 

[hxperson]

So if not held somehow in dynasty or via redraft how do people think Foles is going to be viewed in next year's draft?

Hot commodity or will people undervalue him for one reason or another? No way to tell yet? Is Stafford after his first big year a good comparison?

As a Foles owner I consider his value to be somewhere around a late first round/early second round rookie pick right now. I think his upside is as good if not better than any rookie QB you can draft next, while his downside is probably a bit lower but still significant given Kelly could bring in a new QB in the offseason (to get "his guy"), especially if Foles falls flat vs. Nola, and also his small sample size of starts.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

There is a 0.0% chance I'd trade a 24 year old Nick Foles and his 26.6 ppg in starts (#2 for 2013) for a rookie pick that didn't have a pretty good chance of being a stud RB, WR or TE.