The OFFICIAL 2007 Boston Red Sox Thread (1 Viewer)

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at "that's one of the definitions"

Not one of your finer moments.

So when a word has 6 itemized definitions under it in the dictionary, only the first one counts? No wonder you couldn't hack it as a lawyer.

You asked me if I knew what it meant, chach. Then when I told you, you said it was "one of the definitions." at couldn't hack it as a lawyer. You don't want to compare salaries homeboy.

1) Grade School Nicknames intended as semi-insults (aka pick-isms)... check2) Resorts to salaries to improve self image and impress strangers in the internet.... check

Yep... your descent into Pick-dom is almost complete.

If you're having trouble following the context of this conversation, I can't help you. I'll just let it go here.

 

[Capella]

at "that's one of the definitions"

Not one of your finer moments.

So when a word has 6 itemized definitions under it in the dictionary, only the first one counts? No wonder you couldn't hack it as a lawyer.

You asked me if I knew what it meant, chach. Then when I told you, you said it was "one of the definitions." at couldn't hack it as a lawyer. You don't want to compare salaries homeboy.

1) Grade School Nicknames intended as semi-insults (aka pick-isms)... check2) Resorts to salaries to improve self image and impress strangers in the internet.... check

Yep... your descent into Pick-dom is almost complete.

Although at least Pick is happy with his status in life...

"No wonder you couldn't hack it as a lawyer"But keep up the stupid statements that you get called out for, then the petty attempt at an insult that had nothing to do with the thread or reality, and then trying to backtrack and pin it all on me, Savard. Maybe you can make up one of your stupid excuses for yourself that you use for the Sox players. "My ugly fiancee left me so I had a bad day in that thread with a word I didn't understand. I'll be better next time."

 

[Your Mother]

at "that's one of the definitions"

Not one of your finer moments.

So when a word has 6 itemized definitions under it in the dictionary, only the first one counts? No wonder you couldn't hack it as a lawyer.

You asked me if I knew what it meant, chach. Then when I told you, you said it was "one of the definitions." at couldn't hack it as a lawyer. You don't want to compare salaries homeboy.

1) Grade School Nicknames intended as semi-insults (aka pick-isms)... check2) Resorts to salaries to improve self image and impress strangers in the internet.... check

Yep... your descent into Pick-dom is almost complete.

Although at least Pick is happy with his status in life...

"No wonder you couldn't hack it as a lawyer"But keep up the stupid statements that you get called out for, then the petty attempt at an insult that had nothing to do with the thread or reality, and then trying to backtrack and pin it all on me, Savard. Maybe you can make up one of your stupid excuses for yourself that you use for the Sox players. "My ugly fiancee left me so I had a bad day in that thread with a word I didn't understand."

As an aside, I think it's Mrs. Pick that brings in the dough.Carry on.

 

[Your Mother]

I'd like to see the Sox trade Manny. Get a bullpen arm or something.

That's some bullpen arm.

 

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"No wonder you couldn't hack it as a lawyer"But keep up the stupid statements that you get called out for, then the petty attempt at an insult that had nothing to do with the thread or reality, and then trying to backtrack and pin it all on me, Savard. Maybe you can make up one of your stupid excuses for yourself that you use for the Sox players. "My ugly fiancee left me so I had a bad day in that thread with a word I didn't understand. I'll be better next time."

Good stuff. The comment had EVERYTHING to do with the thread... AND reality. You called me out saying a word didn't apply.. when it did. When I clarified why it applied you decided to follow the playbook and throw out a and a light bust. I assumed you realized I wasn't asking you to define the word.. I was asking if you realized that the use of the word was, in fact, appropriate. You apparently missed that... or at least acted like it with your reaction. That's fine. The "can't hack it as a lawyer" has everything to do with your frequent whining about how miserable you are in your profession. It was a relevant as you were failing to follow the logical sequence of the dialog while also missing why a word's use was contextually correct. I have no need for excuses in my personal life... I'd even go so far as to say it's charmed. I certainly have outkicked my coverage in many facets.. one being my girl. But thanks for asking Regardless... continue to twist this into whatever you'd like. If my "excuses" aren't up to par with your superior baseball analysis and you have a better explanation for Beckett's resurgence, Dice K's late season struggles or Drew's slow start at Fenway I'm ALL EARS Educate me, GB

 

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I'd like to see the Sox trade Manny. Get a bullpen arm or something.

That's some bullpen arm.

Agreed. This is lunacy. With the recent spike in salaries Manny's contract is no longer the albatross it once was. He's within reach of several more teams than even just a couple years ago. That and you'd be insane to just dump him for a 60 inning arm.

 

[Capella]

You called me out saying a word didn't apply.. when it did.

I hope this is shtick.

The "can't hack it as a lawyer" has everything to do with your frequent whining about how miserable you are in your profession. It was a relevant as you were failing to follow the logical sequence of the dialog while also missing why a word's use was contextually correct.

But I'm guessing it's not. This is almost sad at this point. Thank Christ you didn't go to law school.Since you're so interested, I'm not in that profession, but I certainly "hacked it" and have the resume to back it up. Thanks for attempting to keep up though.

 

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You replace Manny and Lowell with Arod or Arod and Cameron. I dont think so.

I dont know if you have been paying attention, but Alex Rodriguez is a pretty good ballplayer. I seriously dont get all the hate for this guy.

Alex is a phenomenal regular season ballplayer who brings with him a tremendous amount of negative publicity (some warranted and some not). The amount of money required to land him would not only hamstring the franchise for the foreseeable future, but it would inject a significant case of the haves and have-nots into the Red Sox clubhouse. These kids are making jack squat and we've got guys like Ortiz who have signed for significant discounts. Bring in a 30MM/yr guy with the circus in tow and you risk throwing a massive wrench into the loose, friendly chemistry they've got brewing in Boston. Even if we don't get Lowell (which is very likely given the Yankees' newfound interest and the fact that Boston won't offer a 4 year deal to a 33yo player)... I don't want Arod on this team.

 

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Thank Christ you didn't go to law school.

Finally we can agree on something. I'll leave the rest to rot... no sense in dragging this out any more than it already has been.

 

[Alias]

"No wonder you couldn't hack it as a lawyer"But keep up the stupid statements that you get called out for, then the petty attempt at an insult that had nothing to do with the thread or reality, and then trying to backtrack and pin it all on me, Savard. Maybe you can make up one of your stupid excuses for yourself that you use for the Sox players. "My ugly fiancee left me so I had a bad day in that thread with a word I didn't understand. I'll be better next time."

Good stuff. The comment had EVERYTHING to do with the thread... AND reality. You called me out saying a word didn't apply.. when it did. When I clarified why it applied you decided to follow the playbook and throw out a and a light bust. I assumed you realized I wasn't asking you to define the word.. I was asking if you realized that the use of the word was, in fact, appropriate. You apparently missed that... or at least acted like it with your reaction. That's fine. The "can't hack it as a lawyer" has everything to do with your frequent whining about how miserable you are in your profession. It was a relevant as you were failing to follow the logical sequence of the dialog while also missing why a word's use was contextually correct. I have no need for excuses in my personal life... I'd even go so far as to say it's charmed. I certainly have outkicked my coverage in many facets.. one being my girl. But thanks for asking :( Regardless... continue to twist this into whatever you'd like. If my "excuses" aren't up to par with your superior baseball analysis and you have a better explanation for Beckett's resurgence, Dice K's late season struggles or Drew's slow start at Fenway I'm ALL EARS Educate me, GB

Please don't feed the animals.

 

[Capella]

"No wonder you couldn't hack it as a lawyer"But keep up the stupid statements that you get called out for, then the petty attempt at an insult that had nothing to do with the thread or reality, and then trying to backtrack and pin it all on me, Savard. Maybe you can make up one of your stupid excuses for yourself that you use for the Sox players. "My ugly fiancee left me so I had a bad day in that thread with a word I didn't understand. I'll be better next time."

Good stuff. The comment had EVERYTHING to do with the thread... AND reality. You called me out saying a word didn't apply.. when it did. When I clarified why it applied you decided to follow the playbook and throw out a and a light bust. I assumed you realized I wasn't asking you to define the word.. I was asking if you realized that the use of the word was, in fact, appropriate. You apparently missed that... or at least acted like it with your reaction. That's fine. The "can't hack it as a lawyer" has everything to do with your frequent whining about how miserable you are in your profession. It was a relevant as you were failing to follow the logical sequence of the dialog while also missing why a word's use was contextually correct. I have no need for excuses in my personal life... I'd even go so far as to say it's charmed. I certainly have outkicked my coverage in many facets.. one being my girl. But thanks for asking Regardless... continue to twist this into whatever you'd like. If my "excuses" aren't up to par with your superior baseball analysis and you have a better explanation for Beckett's resurgence, Dice K's late season struggles or Drew's slow start at Fenway I'm ALL EARS Educate me, GB

Please don't feed the animals.

Do you have a pink shirt that says that?

 

[DA RAIDERS]

can you two compare tampons in another thread?

tia

 

[DA RAIDERS]

on a better note, methinks the yanks are fux0red next year & beyond.

no torre

no mattingly

no arod

fruitbat, i don't think so

posada, maybe. but he'll never repeat this year's offense

petite, maybe

clemens, i hope they take his sorry ### back

matsui's getting old

giambi

betemit great trade!

damon

& hank is running the show.

nice.

 

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on a better note, methinks the yanks are fux0red next year & beyond.no torreno mattinglyno arodfruitbat, i don't think soposada, maybe. but he'll never repeat this year's offensepetite, maybeclemens, i hope they take his sorry ### backmatsui's getting oldgiambi betemit great trade!damon & hank is running the show.nice.

Yankees thread is next door

 

[Alias]

"No wonder you couldn't hack it as a lawyer"But keep up the stupid statements that you get called out for, then the petty attempt at an insult that had nothing to do with the thread or reality, and then trying to backtrack and pin it all on me, Savard. Maybe you can make up one of your stupid excuses for yourself that you use for the Sox players. "My ugly fiancee left me so I had a bad day in that thread with a word I didn't understand. I'll be better next time."

Good stuff. The comment had EVERYTHING to do with the thread... AND reality. You called me out saying a word didn't apply.. when it did. When I clarified why it applied you decided to follow the playbook and throw out a and a light bust. I assumed you realized I wasn't asking you to define the word.. I was asking if you realized that the use of the word was, in fact, appropriate. You apparently missed that... or at least acted like it with your reaction. That's fine. The "can't hack it as a lawyer" has everything to do with your frequent whining about how miserable you are in your profession. It was a relevant as you were failing to follow the logical sequence of the dialog while also missing why a word's use was contextually correct. I have no need for excuses in my personal life... I'd even go so far as to say it's charmed. I certainly have outkicked my coverage in many facets.. one being my girl. But thanks for asking Regardless... continue to twist this into whatever you'd like. If my "excuses" aren't up to par with your superior baseball analysis and you have a better explanation for Beckett's resurgence, Dice K's late season struggles or Drew's slow start at Fenway I'm ALL EARS Educate me, GB

Please don't feed the animals.

Do you have a pink shirt that says that?

Yeah it says Devil Rays in 2025

 

[Capella]

"No wonder you couldn't hack it as a lawyer"But keep up the stupid statements that you get called out for, then the petty attempt at an insult that had nothing to do with the thread or reality, and then trying to backtrack and pin it all on me, Savard. Maybe you can make up one of your stupid excuses for yourself that you use for the Sox players. "My ugly fiancee left me so I had a bad day in that thread with a word I didn't understand. I'll be better next time."

Good stuff. The comment had EVERYTHING to do with the thread... AND reality. You called me out saying a word didn't apply.. when it did. When I clarified why it applied you decided to follow the playbook and throw out a and a light bust. I assumed you realized I wasn't asking you to define the word.. I was asking if you realized that the use of the word was, in fact, appropriate. You apparently missed that... or at least acted like it with your reaction. That's fine. The "can't hack it as a lawyer" has everything to do with your frequent whining about how miserable you are in your profession. It was a relevant as you were failing to follow the logical sequence of the dialog while also missing why a word's use was contextually correct. I have no need for excuses in my personal life... I'd even go so far as to say it's charmed. I certainly have outkicked my coverage in many facets.. one being my girl. But thanks for asking Regardless... continue to twist this into whatever you'd like. If my "excuses" aren't up to par with your superior baseball analysis and you have a better explanation for Beckett's resurgence, Dice K's late season struggles or Drew's slow start at Fenway I'm ALL EARS Educate me, GB

Please don't feed the animals.

Do you have a pink shirt that says that?

Yeah it says Devil Rays in 2025

With that quick wit and those chick shirts you wear, you must be a real hit with the broads.

 

[Alias]

"No wonder you couldn't hack it as a lawyer"But keep up the stupid statements that you get called out for, then the petty attempt at an insult that had nothing to do with the thread or reality, and then trying to backtrack and pin it all on me, Savard. Maybe you can make up one of your stupid excuses for yourself that you use for the Sox players. "My ugly fiancee left me so I had a bad day in that thread with a word I didn't understand. I'll be better next time."

Good stuff. The comment had EVERYTHING to do with the thread... AND reality. You called me out saying a word didn't apply.. when it did. When I clarified why it applied you decided to follow the playbook and throw out a and a light bust. I assumed you realized I wasn't asking you to define the word.. I was asking if you realized that the use of the word was, in fact, appropriate. You apparently missed that... or at least acted like it with your reaction. That's fine. The "can't hack it as a lawyer" has everything to do with your frequent whining about how miserable you are in your profession. It was a relevant as you were failing to follow the logical sequence of the dialog while also missing why a word's use was contextually correct. I have no need for excuses in my personal life... I'd even go so far as to say it's charmed. I certainly have outkicked my coverage in many facets.. one being my girl. But thanks for asking Regardless... continue to twist this into whatever you'd like. If my "excuses" aren't up to par with your superior baseball analysis and you have a better explanation for Beckett's resurgence, Dice K's late season struggles or Drew's slow start at Fenway I'm ALL EARS Educate me, GB

Please don't feed the animals.

Do you have a pink shirt that says that?

Yeah it says Devil Rays in 2025

With that quick wit and those chick shirts you wear, you must be a real hit with the broads.

Do all Devil Rays fans have such low self esteem or were you beaten as a child?

 

[Capella]

"No wonder you couldn't hack it as a lawyer"But keep up the stupid statements that you get called out for, then the petty attempt at an insult that had nothing to do with the thread or reality, and then trying to backtrack and pin it all on me, Savard. Maybe you can make up one of your stupid excuses for yourself that you use for the Sox players. "My ugly fiancee left me so I had a bad day in that thread with a word I didn't understand. I'll be better next time."

Good stuff. The comment had EVERYTHING to do with the thread... AND reality. You called me out saying a word didn't apply.. when it did. When I clarified why it applied you decided to follow the playbook and throw out a and a light bust. I assumed you realized I wasn't asking you to define the word.. I was asking if you realized that the use of the word was, in fact, appropriate. You apparently missed that... or at least acted like it with your reaction. That's fine. The "can't hack it as a lawyer" has everything to do with your frequent whining about how miserable you are in your profession. It was a relevant as you were failing to follow the logical sequence of the dialog while also missing why a word's use was contextually correct. I have no need for excuses in my personal life... I'd even go so far as to say it's charmed. I certainly have outkicked my coverage in many facets.. one being my girl. But thanks for asking Regardless... continue to twist this into whatever you'd like. If my "excuses" aren't up to par with your superior baseball analysis and you have a better explanation for Beckett's resurgence, Dice K's late season struggles or Drew's slow start at Fenway I'm ALL EARS Educate me, GB

Please don't feed the animals.

Do you have a pink shirt that says that?

Yeah it says Devil Rays in 2025

With that quick wit and those chick shirts you wear, you must be a real hit with the broads.

Do all Devil Rays fans have such low self esteem or were you beaten as a child?

HILARIOUSDo all Red Sox fans wear women's clothing when they go out, or did you cross-dress as a child?

 

[the moops]

I'd like to see the Sox trade Manny. Get a bullpen arm or something.

That's some bullpen arm.

Agreed. This is lunacy. With the recent spike in salaries Manny's contract is no longer the albatross it once was. He's within reach of several more teams than even just a couple years ago. That and you'd be insane to just dump him for a 60 inning arm.

Manny also had his worst year at the plate. His slugging dropped t below 500 for the first time in his career. He played in only 133 games. His OBP is the lowest of his career also. What else...first time he has not hit more than 30 HRs. His numbers with RISP are the lowest he has had in years. His defense is terrible. I would imagine his UZR numbers will be very bad.Manny is my favorite Red Sox player. He needs to be a DH though. And I dont think anyone wants him over Ortiz.They have tried to move him every year. I think this is the year it happens. For less money than Lowell and Manny, they can have Arod at 3B and Ellsbury on LF. Defense imoroves dramatically, and the offensive numbers are probably a wash.I think he gets traded for a prospect and a bullpen arm.

 

[Your Mother]

"No wonder you couldn't hack it as a lawyer"But keep up the stupid statements that you get called out for, then the petty attempt at an insult that had nothing to do with the thread or reality, and then trying to backtrack and pin it all on me, Savard. Maybe you can make up one of your stupid excuses for yourself that you use for the Sox players. "My ugly fiancee left me so I had a bad day in that thread with a word I didn't understand. I'll be better next time."

Good stuff. The comment had EVERYTHING to do with the thread... AND reality. You called me out saying a word didn't apply.. when it did. When I clarified why it applied you decided to follow the playbook and throw out a and a light bust. I assumed you realized I wasn't asking you to define the word.. I was asking if you realized that the use of the word was, in fact, appropriate. You apparently missed that... or at least acted like it with your reaction. That's fine. The "can't hack it as a lawyer" has everything to do with your frequent whining about how miserable you are in your profession. It was a relevant as you were failing to follow the logical sequence of the dialog while also missing why a word's use was contextually correct. I have no need for excuses in my personal life... I'd even go so far as to say it's charmed. I certainly have outkicked my coverage in many facets.. one being my girl. But thanks for asking Regardless... continue to twist this into whatever you'd like. If my "excuses" aren't up to par with your superior baseball analysis and you have a better explanation for Beckett's resurgence, Dice K's late season struggles or Drew's slow start at Fenway I'm ALL EARS Educate me, GB

Please don't feed the animals.

Do you have a pink shirt that says that?

"Ouch."

 

[DA RAIDERS]

you two still fighting over the last maxipad?

 

[SteelCurtain]

This 3rd base saga between the Yanks and Sox and Lowell and A-Rod will be compelling theater.

If Lowell wants Boston he needs to make it happen sooner rather than later. If he assumes that he can break the bank once A-Rod is signed, then he's playing with fire. The Sox can easily move Youkilis over to third and grab a 1B via trade or FA. I really hope that A-Rod does NOT come to Boston.

I think Crisp will be held until the 3B position is resolved. They need him as a trade chip until its straightened out.

Finally, I really think the Sox should sign Schilling to a one year deal. If we can get him for $7 to $8 million, I would do it. If he is a man of his word, I think he'd sign in Boston for $8 Million as opposed to $12 million somehwere else. His family loves Boston. Kids are in the public school. His wife is active in the community (PTO, etc).

I love the Hot Stove.....admittedly, its fun when your team spends big money. I would think Hot Stove is really frustrating for a small market team.

 

[the moops]

This 3rd base saga between the Yanks and Sox and Lowell and A-Rod will be compelling theater. If Lowell wants Boston he needs to make it happen sooner rather than later. If he assumes that he can break the bank once A-Rod is signed, then he's playing with fire. The Sox can easily move Youkilis over to third and grab a 1B via trade or FA. I really hope that A-Rod does NOT come to Boston. I think Crisp will be held until the 3B position is resolved. They need him as a trade chip until its straightened out.Finally, I really think the Sox should sign Schilling to a one year deal. If we can get him for $7 to $8 million, I would do it. If he is a man of his word, I think he'd sign in Boston for $8 Million as opposed to $12 million somehwere else. His family loves Boston. Kids are in the public school. His wife is active in the community (PTO, etc). I love the Hot Stove.....admittedly, its fun when your team spends big money. I would think Hot Stove is really frustrating for a small market team.

Lowell will have plenty of teams trying to sign him. He may be better served to wait until Arod signs somewhere, then let the rest of them fight over him.Crisp is not that valuable trade chip. He plays excellent defense, but he has hit terribly for 2 years now...and he is going to make 10.5 million over the next 2 years.Schilling made 13 million this past year. He is not going to take a 5 million dollar pay cut.I am still fascinated by all this Arod hate. He was willing to renegotiate his contract and take less money to go to the Sox in 2003. He willingly moved from SS to 3B even though he was clearly the better SS. But, he had a few bad at-bats in the postseason, so he must be the devil.

 

[SteelCurtain]

This 3rd base saga between the Yanks and Sox and Lowell and A-Rod will be compelling theater. If Lowell wants Boston he needs to make it happen sooner rather than later. If he assumes that he can break the bank once A-Rod is signed, then he's playing with fire. The Sox can easily move Youkilis over to third and grab a 1B via trade or FA. I really hope that A-Rod does NOT come to Boston. I think Crisp will be held until the 3B position is resolved. They need him as a trade chip until its straightened out.Finally, I really think the Sox should sign Schilling to a one year deal. If we can get him for $7 to $8 million, I would do it. If he is a man of his word, I think he'd sign in Boston for $8 Million as opposed to $12 million somehwere else. His family loves Boston. Kids are in the public school. His wife is active in the community (PTO, etc). I love the Hot Stove.....admittedly, its fun when your team spends big money. I would think Hot Stove is really frustrating for a small market team.

Lowell will have plenty of teams trying to sign him. He may be better served to wait until Arod signs somewhere, then let the rest of them fight over him.Crisp is not that valuable trade chip. He plays excellent defense, but he has hit terribly for 2 years now...and he is going to make 10.5 million over the next 2 years.Schilling made 13 million this past year. He is not going to take a 5 million dollar pay cut.I am still fascinated by all this Arod hate. He was willing to renegotiate his contract and take less money to go to the Sox in 2003. He willingly moved from SS to 3B even though he was clearly the better SS. But, he had a few bad at-bats in the postseason, so he must be the devil.

I agree that Lowell can wait and probably hit bigtime on the cash. But if he wants to stay with the Sox, he best sign sooner.....if not, then the Sox will go in another direction. If Lowell is expecting a 4 year $45-50million deal, he will not be the Red Sox. I think a 2 year with a third year option based on incentives is much more likely if the Sox will sign him.Agree about Crisp, but he was a relatively hot prospect a couple years ago. With his cost containment, he may be appealing to package if need be to help get a 1B or 3B. Schilling said its not all about the money. If that's the case, then sign with Boston for $8 million as opposed to going to somewhere else for $12 million. I don't think he'll sign but I'd like to have him (and his big mouth) for one more year.I don't hate Arod....I just don't want him for $30 million. If he would come to us for $18 million, I'd take him in a heartbeat. However, I'm sure ARod wants big money, so therefore, don't have an interest there. If we lose Lowell and don't get ARod, its not the end of the world.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

#### bean ball, let's do it steinbrenner style...just for ####s & giggles

ellsbury-cf

youk-1b

ortiz-dh

arod-ss-corporate decision--10 year deal--makes the sox one of if the most valued sports franchises as he beaks bonds record & henry sells in 2015 or so.

manny-lf-for one more year

lowell-3b-2-3 year deal to keep the fans happy

nancy drew-rf

tek-c

pedroia-2b

trade lugo & crisp for a catcher & pitching.

beckett

dice k

schill @ 9mil + incentives

wake, lester, bucholz

starting pitcher via trade/free agency

 

[SteelCurtain]

#### bean ball, let's do it steinbrenner style...just for ####s & giggles

ellsbury-cf $500K

youk-1b $2.5M

ortiz-dh $12.5M

arod-ss- $30M

manny-lf-for one more year $20M

lowell-3b-2-3 year deal to keep the fans happy $11M

nancy drew-rf $14M

tek-c $10M

pedroia-2b $500K

trade lugo & crisp for a catcher & pitching.

beckett $7M

dice k $8M

schill @ 9mil + incentives

wake, lester, bucholz $4M, $500K, $500K

starting pitcher via trade/free agency

Salaries are just guesses......Total salary above -- $130M before you count a bullpen and a bench. I'd be surprised at that team.....you looking at $150M plus whatever you have to pay of Crisp and Lugo's salary.

No thanks....don't want ARod.

 

[Alias]

saw this on SOSH today, letter sent to Schilling in November of 2003:

Why, then, did we leave our own families behind and fly here today? Well, we think that the Schillings and the Red Sox might just be another great fit – a perfect marriage – and we hope that we can demonstrate why. We are here to tell you all about the Red Sox: who we are, where we are going, and how we’re going to get there. We want to share our thoughts on everything from advance scouting to the way we set up our family room at the ballpark. We’ll discuss the neighborhoods where you might live and every inch of the old neighborhood ballpark you would call home. We’ll be honest about the small weight room and crowded clubhouse, but we’ll also tell you about Ted Williams’ old locker and the feeling you get walking up the ancient tunnel to greet 35,000 of the best fans in baseball. We want to tell you about the type of person and player we want to represent the Red Sox, and how we’re filling our clubhouse with them. We want to tell you all about the unparalleled passion of Red Sox Nation, and about how hard we are working to bring a World Championship to Boston. We’re sure you have hundreds of questions for us, and we’re here to do our best at providing answers. ...We are so close to the goal that has eluded us for 86 years. We would not have traded four talented young players or intruded upon your holiday if we did not sincerely believe that our time is coming very soon. The 2003 Red Sox were a talented and exciting team that came within five outs of reaching the World Series. As an ownership group and management team, we are committed to putting an even better team on the field in 2004 and beyond....Last winter, our goal was to create a lineup that would be relentless one through nine. This winter, our goal is to create a relentless pitching staff to match our offense. You are the key to this plan; in fact, you are the plan. The rotation, should you accept this trade, will be among the very best in baseball: Schilling, Martinez, Lowe, Wakefield, Kim (with Bronson Arroyo as the 6th Starter). The bullpen will also be strong. Williamson, Embree, and Timlin are all poised to have excellent seasons in 2004. In addition, we are close to signing Keith Foulke to become our closer and to lead this talented bullpen. With the pitching staff and a defensive upgrade at second base, Red Sox run prevention will match our run scoring.

 

[the moops]

#### bean ball, let's do it steinbrenner style...just for ####s & giggles

ellsbury-cf $500K

youk-1b $2.5M

ortiz-dh $12.5M

arod-ss- $30M

manny-lf-for one more year $20M

lowell-3b-2-3 year deal to keep the fans happy $11M

nancy drew-rf $14M

tek-c $10M

pedroia-2b $500K

trade lugo & crisp for a catcher & pitching.

beckett $7M

dice k $8M

schill @ 9mil + incentives

wake, lester, bucholz $4M, $500K, $500K

starting pitcher via trade/free agency

Salaries are just guesses......Total salary above -- $130M before you count a bullpen and a bench. I'd be surprised at that team.....you looking at $150M plus whatever you have to pay of Crisp and Lugo's salary.

No thanks....don't want ARod.

If you sign Arod, there is no way Lowell is here. Chances are good Manny would also not be on the team either. If that is the case there is zero payroll implications for next year. They actually would save some money. Lowell (12m) + Manny (20m) > Arod (28m) + Ellsbury (.5m).If Ellsbury plays at 90% of what he showed this year, he is of equal value to Manny. People forget how atrocious Manny is in the outfield. The -40 runs that is tossed around by UZR is not an exageration.

The Sox very well could be a better team with Arod at 3B and Ellsbury in LF....all while saving a few million dollars next year.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

#### bean ball, let's do it steinbrenner style...just for ####s & giggles

ellsbury-cf $500K

youk-1b $2.5M

ortiz-dh $12.5M

arod-ss- $30M

manny-lf-for one more year $20M

lowell-3b-2-3 year deal to keep the fans happy $11M

nancy drew-rf $14M

tek-c $10M

pedroia-2b $500K

trade lugo & crisp for a catcher & pitching.

beckett $7M

dice k $8M

schill @ 9mil + incentives

wake, lester, bucholz $4M, $500K, $500K

starting pitcher via trade/free agency

Salaries are just guesses......Total salary above -- $130M before you count a bullpen and a bench. I'd be surprised at that team.....you looking at $150M plus whatever you have to pay of Crisp and Lugo's salary.

No thanks....don't want ARod.

just fing around. i don't really want arod either, but he sure looks good on paper

 

[SteelCurtain]

#### bean ball, let's do it steinbrenner style...just for ####s & giggles

ellsbury-cf $500K

youk-1b $2.5M

ortiz-dh $12.5M

arod-ss- $30M

manny-lf-for one more year $20M

lowell-3b-2-3 year deal to keep the fans happy $11M

nancy drew-rf $14M

tek-c $10M

pedroia-2b $500K

trade lugo & crisp for a catcher & pitching.

beckett $7M

dice k $8M

schill @ 9mil + incentives

wake, lester, bucholz $4M, $500K, $500K

starting pitcher via trade/free agency

Salaries are just guesses......Total salary above -- $130M before you count a bullpen and a bench. I'd be surprised at that team.....you looking at $150M plus whatever you have to pay of Crisp and Lugo's salary.

No thanks....don't want ARod.

just fing around. i don't really want arod either, but he sure looks good on paper

I know you weren't serious. I just started wondering what the payroll would look like. Very interesting!

 

[the moops]

Manny Ramirez is my favorite baseball player. However, I am convinced that the Sox are going to move Manny. Manny had a decent year at the plate, but he slugged under 500, hit his fewest HRs in 10 years, and had his lowest OBP (still very good at 388) since 1998. His defense is atrocious, his baserunning probably worse.

Many rumors talk about Crisp being traded. I'm guessing he stays in CF, Manny gets moved, Ellsbury is in LF, and Arod is at 3B.

Coco had an awful year at the plate, yet he was more valuable than Manny. Winshares has Coco at 15, Manny at 15. WARP has Coco at 6.0, Manny at 3.0.

Ellsbury, Coco, Drew would be one of the best, if not the best, defensive outfields in all of baseball.

So the question is, wha can the Sox get for Manny? And, will Manny waive his 10/5?

Manny is owed 20 million next year, with 4 million of that deferred. There are also team options of 20 million for 2009 and 2010. I would imagine Manny would want both of those options picked up if he was to waive his no-trade.

San Fran is looking for a big bat. Who else could take on Manny's contract?

 

[Balco]

Manny Ramirez is my favorite baseball player. However, I am convinced that the Sox are going to move Manny. Manny had a decent year at the plate, but he slugged under 500, hit his fewest HRs in 10 years, and had his lowest OBP (still very good at 388) since 1998. His defense is atrocious, his baserunning probably worse.Many rumors talk about Crisp being traded. I'm guessing he stays in CF, Manny gets moved, Ellsbury is in LF, and Arod is at 3B.Coco had an awful year at the plate, yet he was more valuable than Manny. Winshares has Coco at 15, Manny at 15. WARP has Coco at 6.0, Manny at 3.0.Ellsbury, Coco, Drew would be one of the best, if not the best, defensive outfields in all of baseball.So the question is, wha can the Sox get for Manny? And, will Manny waive his 10/5?Manny is owed 20 million next year, with 4 million of that deferred. There are also team options of 20 million for 2009 and 2010. I would imagine Manny would want both of those options picked up if he was to waive his no-trade.San Fran is looking for a big bat. Who else could take on Manny's contract?

I think many teams would be willing to take Manny and the year left on his contract. He is still a very good hitter. I have no problem at all with Manny going . . . if ARod comes to Boston.C: Varitek1B: Youklis2B: PedroiaSS: Lugo3B: ARODLF: EllsburyCF: CrispRF: DrewDH: OrtizWould love that lineup. Outfield D would be great, and AROD next to Ortiz in the order? If Schilling is willing to take a 1 year deal at around 12 mil, I say sign him. Sign one more bullpen arm, and we are all set.

 

[Capella]

I think many teams would be willing to take Manny and the year left on his contract.

You really think that?

 

[the moops]

I think many teams would be willing to take Manny and the year left on his contract.

You really think that?

I think there are very few teams that would want him at that salary. And if they did take him, they would not give much in return.I think there are quite a few teams that would like him if the Sox ate 5 million or so of his salary. And I would imagine he would fetch a lot more if that was the case (obviously).

 

[Balco]

I think many teams would be willing to take Manny and the year left on his contract.

You really think that?

Absolutely. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect anything in return, but teams would be interested in Ramirez for 1 year. He is a great hitter.

 

[HellToupee]

I think many teams would be willing to take Manny and the year left on his contract.

You really think that?

Absolutely. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect anything in return, but teams would be interested in Ramirez for 1 year. He is a great hitter.

Totally agree. Manny with 1 year left has market value.

 

[the moops]

I think many teams would be willing to take Manny and the year left on his contract.

You really think that?

Absolutely. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect anything in return, but teams would be interested in Ramirez for 1 year. He is a great hitter.

Totally agree. Manny with 1 year left has market value.

I would imagine Manny will require teams to pick up his 2 option years.So it is 3 years, roughly 56 million (depending on who pays the 4 million that is deferred next year)

 

[Capella]

I think many teams would be willing to take Manny and the year left on his contract.

You really think that?

Absolutely. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect anything in return, but teams would be interested in Ramirez for 1 year. He is a great hitter.

Totally agree. Manny with 1 year left has market value.

I would imagine Manny will require teams to pick up his 2 option years.So it is 3 years, roughly 56 million (depending on who pays the 4 million that is deferred next year)

And there wouldn't be that many teams lining up to pay 20 mil just for this year.

 

[Sammy3469]

I think many teams would be willing to take Manny and the year left on his contract.

You really think that?

Absolutely. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect anything in return, but teams would be interested in Ramirez for 1 year. He is a great hitter.

Totally agree. Manny with 1 year left has market value.

I would imagine Manny will require teams to pick up his 2 option years.So it is 3 years, roughly 56 million (depending on who pays the 4 million that is deferred next year)

And there wouldn't be that many teams lining up to pay 20 mil just for this year.

I think there would probably more teams than you think, if it was just the one year and they could trade him anywhere and were willing to trade him anywhere. There are a bunch of teams that could use a bat for a year and then pocket the draft pick. (i.e Manny's contract is much less than 20 mill if you figure in the high draft pick you'd also be getting).

 

[the moops]

I think many teams would be willing to take Manny and the year left on his contract.

You really think that?

Absolutely. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect anything in return, but teams would be interested in Ramirez for 1 year. He is a great hitter.

Totally agree. Manny with 1 year left has market value.

I would imagine Manny will require teams to pick up his 2 option years.So it is 3 years, roughly 56 million (depending on who pays the 4 million that is deferred next year)

And there wouldn't be that many teams lining up to pay 20 mil just for this year.

I think there would probably more teams than you think, if it was just the one year and they could trade him anywhere and were willing to trade him anywhere. There are a bunch of teams that could use a bat for a year and then pocket the draft pick. (i.e Manny's contract is much less than 20 mill if you figure in the high draft pick you'd also be getting).

You would have to offer arbitration to Manny to get the draft pick. He would most likely accept the arbitration amount, so that team would be on the hook.And once again it is probably not going to be a one year deal. He will most likely require the team to pick up the two option years.

 

[Balco]

I think many teams would be willing to take Manny and the year left on his contract.

You really think that?

Absolutely. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect anything in return, but teams would be interested in Ramirez for 1 year. He is a great hitter.

Totally agree. Manny with 1 year left has market value.

I would imagine Manny will require teams to pick up his 2 option years.So it is 3 years, roughly 56 million (depending on who pays the 4 million that is deferred next year)

And there wouldn't be that many teams lining up to pay 20 mil just for this year.

There would be several teams that could absorb that 20 mil. Now if he refuses to be traded unless the other team picks up his options, obviously no one will be interested. But if he agrees to go somewhere and play out the 1 year, teams will be looking to acquire him. The guy is a fantastic hitter.

 

[Pat Patriot]

SF needs the big hitter with Bonds leaving. Any way to use Manny to get Matt Cain or is Cain untouchable? I know I read somewhere that said Lincecum can be had. Is Cain available?

 

[the moops]

SF needs the big hitter with Bonds leaving. Any way to use Manny to get Matt Cain or is Cain untouchable? I know I read somewhere that said Lincecum can be had. Is Cain available?

Cain is probably available. But Manny Ramirez is not nearly enough.Manny Ramirez at 20 million dollars has very little value. Teams will take him, but they are not going to give the Sox a top prospect and definitely are not going to give you a 23 year old pitcher who threw 200 innings with an ERA of 3.65.Manny is worth nowhere near 20 million. If the Sox pay a good chunk, then they may receive some value back...otherwise they will be trading him to free up the 20 million to help sign Arod.

 

[Pat Patriot]

SF needs the big hitter with Bonds leaving. Any way to use Manny to get Matt Cain or is Cain untouchable? I know I read somewhere that said Lincecum can be had. Is Cain available?

Cain is probably available. But Manny Ramirez is not nearly enough.Manny Ramirez at 20 million dollars has very little value. Teams will take him, but they are not going to give the Sox a top prospect and definitely are not going to give you a 23 year old pitcher who threw 200 innings with an ERA of 3.65.Manny is worth nowhere near 20 million. If the Sox pay a good chunk, then they may receive some value back...otherwise they will be trading him to free up the 20 million to help sign Arod.

Hard to give up lefties but I like Cain better than Lester. What about a deal involving Lester and Ramirez?

 

[Capella]

I actually agree with the moops.

 

[the moops]

I actually agree with the moops.

That wasn't so painful...

 

[Pat Patriot]

I actually agree with the moops.

Well, the Sox cant give up more than Manny and Lester so scratch Cain off the list.

 

[the moops]

I actually agree with the moops.

Well, the Sox cant give up more than Manny and Lester so scratch Cain off the list.

If the Sox view Cain as a better pitcher than Lester, then they do this deal (if SF goes for it).With the money the Sox save from tradng Manny, and not signing Lowell....Arod is the new 3B.Ellsbury, Arod, Caincompared toManny, Lowell, Lester

 

[Capella]

I actually agree with the moops.

That wasn't so painful...

 

[suspected]

Just reported on ESPN that Sox and Schilling are close to signing an "incentive laden" one-year deal (per Boston Herald)

http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/baseba...ticleid=1042890