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they were also circumnavigating the USi'm not complaining about the record. it's just that we scored 2 or less runs 11 times! in june & we're 11-13 so far in the month.if we win the next 2 games against texas we'll be at .500 for the month.
Who is 'we' shtick down, Wilked?they were also circumnavigating the USi'm not complaining about the record. it's just that we scored 2 or less runs 11 times! in june & we're 11-13 so far in the month.if we win the next 2 games against texas we'll be at .500 for the month.
Good call :thumbup;Who is 'we' shtick down, Wilked?they were also circumnavigating the USi'm not complaining about the record. it's just that we scored 2 or less runs 11 times! in june & we're 11-13 so far in the month.if we win the next 2 games against texas we'll be at .500 for the month.
Ever heard of Orlando Cabrera? Their worst mistake post-2004 was letting Cabrera walk and signing Renteria (signing JD Drew will probably soon surpass it for bad moves).Letting Pedro walk
Some would debate this but I think this will ultimately be a good signing. Ever heard of Orlando Cabrera? Their worst mistake post-2004 was letting Cabrera walk and signing Renteria (signing JD Drew will probably soon surpass it for bad moves).Letting Pedro walk
Letting Damon walk
Signing Varitek
Signing Renteria
Signing JD Drew
Signing Dice K
Signing Okajhima
Trade of Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez for Beckett and Lowell. Lowell tips the scales.
More good moves than bad.
Disagree. I would have rather resigned Cabrera at the time. Signing Renteria resulted in a whole cluster#### of moves to undo that bad signing.
i'm not complaining about the record. it's just that we scored 2 or less runs 11 times! in june & we're 11-13 so far in the month.if we win the next 2 games against texas we'll be at .500 for the month.
i'm officially worried about the ####### offense. this better just be a 31 day long funk.
do you think the sox might be in the market for an outfielder that can hit for average?
but he will be back soon) Drew has recovered to his career norm. Manny is manny
i am overreacting. i hate drew, i live in L.A. & saw him suck ### for the dodgers. i'm frustrated with the offense & think tito needs to leave the order alone for a week or two & see how it plays out.An oufielder? To replace who? Coco looks like he finally worked his way out of his funk (of course then he hurts his wristbut he will be back soon) Drew has recovered to his career norm. Manny is manny
What is happening is two things...the Sox hits have not been timely, i.e. spread out, not hitting with men in scoring position / bases loaded, and they have not hit the long ball like they used to.
You might remember that they were leading the league in runs scored not too long ago. Making a move now would be completely knee jerk. Sure, the O is in a funk, but with a double digit division lead and within one game of the league's best record, there is no cause for concern.
Oh ya, and Manny and Ortiz have both been in a slump lately. Those guys have been up PLENTY of times with the chance to break things open, and have struggled. I think Ortiz's hammies are still hurting him, and Manny, I am not completely sure
At the mid-way point Papi and the ManRam have a meager 24 HRs between them. Just wait until they get in a groove.
easy kid. i like crisp, but mvp?Finless said:
Ignoring the Crisp/MVP nonsense, yeah, I'm probably overreacting based on last night's game. But damn, I was at the game and that Park was amped every time he came to bat, andwhenhe was on the basepaths. When he came from second and hit third at full/warp speed on that passed ball, and it was clear he wasn't stopping, there was a surge of electricity that went through the crowd. Awesome moment. He looked like a young Johnhy Damon last night, minus the sissy arm.Finless said:
Borrowed from another site...Dice-K's struck out 8 or more batters in 6 games in a row now.
Ellsbury sucks. I am hoping that this little tryout he is having is enough to entice some foolish team into thinking that he is the next great centerfielder, and they give up something like Teixiera, or Buerhle for him.Ellsbury =
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Seems even I, a pretty big sox homer, underestimated Dice-K. After a rough first 1/4 of the season he's made the adjustment to the big leagues.Last two starts: 16 IP, 0.56 ERA, 17/2 K/BB, 0 HRALast six starts: 42 IP, 1.29 ERA, 51/16 K/BB, 1 HRASeason: 114 2/3 IP, 128 ERA+, 30.1 VORP (T-7th in AL)Current Pace:20W - 3.53 ERA - 238 K - 1.19 WHIPMy Revised Final Projections for Dice:20W - 3.35 ERA - 255K - 1.16 WHIP
Surely you're kidding. I don't think anyone is saying the kid is the next great CF.. but he's a great defensive CF with fantastic speed, good awareness on the basepaths, and a replacement-level arm. He's got a good line-drive gap-shot swing with the speed to leg out a lot of extra base hits. He's not a slugger... but with plus speed, plus defense, and average to above average hitting I'll take him. He'd be a nice fit at the top of boston's order assuming we can get some more consistent power elsewhere (ie RF).
you failed to mention his most valuable skill...OBP
I figured the "perfect leadoff man" comment as well as a career OPS of around 1.000 would speak for itself.wilked said:you failed to mention his most valuable skill...OBP[icon] said:Surely you're kidding. I don't think anyone is saying the kid is the next great CF.. but he's a great defensive CF with fantastic speed, good awareness on the basepaths, and a replacement-level arm. He's got a good line-drive gap-shot swing with the speed to leg out a lot of extra base hits. He's not a slugger... but with plus speed, plus defense, and average to above average hitting I'll take him. He'd be a nice fit at the top of boston's order assuming we can get some more consistent power elsewhere (ie RF).the moops said:Ellsbury sucks. I am hoping that this little tryout he is having is enough to entice some foolish team into thinking that he is the next great centerfielder, and they give up something like Teixiera, or Buerhle for him.[icon] said:Ellsbury =
His career OPS is nowhere near 1.000, no need to get carried away. He played very well at AA for the first 20 or so games of this year. His numbers at Pawtucket, and now in Bosto are underwhelming (OPS of ~.700)He has zero power. Which is OK, as long as he can get on base like he did in Portland.It is exciting to see young guys come up. Especially is nice to see him do other little things (score from 2nd on a passed ball, play good defense, hustle to beat out throws, etc). However, Coco's minor league and major league numbers are still better than his.I would not hesitate to include him in a deal for another top of the rotation starter or a power hitting 1B.I figured the "perfect leadoff man" comment as well as a career OPS of around 1.000 would speak for itself.wilked said:you failed to mention his most valuable skill...OBP[icon] said:Surely you're kidding. I don't think anyone is saying the kid is the next great CF.. but he's a great defensive CF with fantastic speed, good awareness on the basepaths, and a replacement-level arm. He's got a good line-drive gap-shot swing with the speed to leg out a lot of extra base hits. He's not a slugger... but with plus speed, plus defense, and average to above average hitting I'll take him. He'd be a nice fit at the top of boston's order assuming we can get some more consistent power elsewhere (ie RF).the moops said:Ellsbury sucks. I am hoping that this little tryout he is having is enough to entice some foolish team into thinking that he is the next great centerfielder, and they give up something like Teixiera, or Buerhle for him.[icon] said:Ellsbury =
where are you putting youk?His career OPS is nowhere near 1.000, no need to get carried away. He played very well at AA for the first 20 or so games of this year. His numbers at Pawtucket, and now in Bosto are underwhelming (OPS of ~.700)He has zero power. Which is OK, as long as he can get on base like he did in Portland.It is exciting to see young guys come up. Especially is nice to see him do other little things (score from 2nd on a passed ball, play good defense, hustle to beat out throws, etc). However, Coco's minor league and major league numbers are still better than his.I would not hesitate to include him in a deal for another top of the rotation starter or a power hitting 1B.I figured the "perfect leadoff man" comment as well as a career OPS of around 1.000 would speak for itself.wilked said:you failed to mention his most valuable skill...OBP[icon] said:Surely you're kidding. I don't think anyone is saying the kid is the next great CF.. but he's a great defensive CF with fantastic speed, good awareness on the basepaths, and a replacement-level arm. He's got a good line-drive gap-shot swing with the speed to leg out a lot of extra base hits. He's not a slugger... but with plus speed, plus defense, and average to above average hitting I'll take him. He'd be a nice fit at the top of boston's order assuming we can get some more consistent power elsewhere (ie RF).the moops said:Ellsbury sucks. I am hoping that this little tryout he is having is enough to entice some foolish team into thinking that he is the next great centerfielder, and they give up something like Teixiera, or Buerhle for him.[icon] said:Ellsbury =
3B. Trade Lowell...it is about that time of year where Lowell disappears anyhowwhere are you putting youk?His career OPS is nowhere near 1.000, no need to get carried away. He played very well at AA for the first 20 or so games of this year. His numbers at Pawtucket, and now in Bosto are underwhelming (OPS of ~.700)He has zero power. Which is OK, as long as he can get on base like he did in Portland.It is exciting to see young guys come up. Especially is nice to see him do other little things (score from 2nd on a passed ball, play good defense, hustle to beat out throws, etc). However, Coco's minor league and major league numbers are still better than his.I would not hesitate to include him in a deal for another top of the rotation starter or a power hitting 1B.I figured the "perfect leadoff man" comment as well as a career OPS of around 1.000 would speak for itself.wilked said:you failed to mention his most valuable skill...OBP[icon] said:Surely you're kidding. I don't think anyone is saying the kid is the next great CF.. but he's a great defensive CF with fantastic speed, good awareness on the basepaths, and a replacement-level arm. He's got a good line-drive gap-shot swing with the speed to leg out a lot of extra base hits. He's not a slugger... but with plus speed, plus defense, and average to above average hitting I'll take him. He'd be a nice fit at the top of boston's order assuming we can get some more consistent power elsewhere (ie RF).the moops said:Ellsbury sucks. I am hoping that this little tryout he is having is enough to entice some foolish team into thinking that he is the next great centerfielder, and they give up something like Teixiera, or Buerhle for him.[icon] said:Ellsbury =
Let me see if I understand this. The Sox would trade their All Star 3B and the all-time career leader in fielding % by a 3B while they have the best record in best (at least today). IIRC, Lowell will be a free agent after this year and carries a prorated share of $8 million over the last half of the season. I'm not sure they could get much for him and why would they want to trade him given that they are where they are.Last I heard, the Sox were considering making a run at Texiera and were trying to woo Ichiro for next year. If they somehow got Texiera, then they could move Youk to thirs and maybe let Lowell walk.
For his career, Mike Lowell has put up an OPS of nearly 100 pts lower in the second half of the season. 835 first half. 750 second half. The last 2 years have even been worse.There has been talk of the Twins wanting Lowell.This team is far better now, and down the road with Teixeira/Youkilis/Crisp than with Youkilis/Lowell/Ellsbury.
Yeah, 27 year olds that put up 900+ OPS are terrible overrated.
I'm not saying that AFTER the seasonthe Sox may look to go in a different direction, but I am not sure they would make wholesale changes in the middle of the year when they are cruising to the AL East title.I don't have the answer, but when was the last time an All Star on a division leading team was traded mid season?While the Twins were rumored (by a newspaper) to have an interest in Lowell, I'm not sure that there would be a lot of trade value in Lowell. Say you package him, Ellsbury, and a minor league pitcher to the Twins. Who would be worth it coming back? They obviously would not give up Mauer, Santana, or Morneau. Who else do they have that would be worth it? And a team of Texeira/Youk/Ichiro is better than either of the ones mentioned (although I'm not sure they could afford Texeira and Ichiro).
Good point. I think his weak 2nd half production is likely usually due to getting nicked up through the year and having lingering issues. The Sox are deep enough and have enough options (with Youk, Hinske, Cora, etc) where they can rest Lowell when he's dinged. I'm hoping that will help minimize his 2nd half swoon and possibly have him at the top (or near top) of his game come playoff time.The Sox sitting Lowell for those couple games seemed to have helped his thumb. From a fantasy perspective, he's been pretty darn good the last couple games
maybe I should qualify...he will cost more then he is worth
when you talk about the prospects you'll have to give and the extension he'll need, that is certainly a more reasonable stance.wilked said:maybe I should qualify...he will cost more then he is worth
Phone call to my buddy in Boston today, "Who is worse, Drew or Manny? And dont give me this crap about his upset stomach. He bails the last game before the All Star break EVERY year."I was actually surprised he pinch hit today.I cannot believe we paid $14 million for Drew.
