The Official Kicker (K) Thread (2 Viewers)

[kyoun1e]

T. Bass owner here...

...and not liking the wind Monday night.

I saw one forecast which said winds of 7 mph gusts to 15 (neither of which is an issue)

next one I looked at:

Monday Night

Partly cloudy, with a low around 37. Breezy, with a west wind 16 to 20 mph, with gusts as high as 32 mph.

yeah i'd be looking at other options if the latter is correct

Yeah I watched a local Buffalo weather forecast and it looks very windy.

May pivot to NO's B. Grupe.

 

[themeistersinger]

Just a PSA that Fairbairn (HOU) is listed as out this wknd but, according to MFL, expected back next wknd. I bring this up specifically for owners to monitor as the week progresses since some like me (Grupe, NO) may have bye week issues coming.

He was place on IR, so out for 4 weeks at least

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[icehouse]

Y’all riding Aubrey ROS?

Butker may have been dropped in some leagues. He was in mine.

 

[BobbyLayne]

May pivot to NO's B. Grupe.

he's been solid and it's a good matchup in the dome

I'm vacillating between Grupe or McManus

Jax kicker was red hot before the bye, tougher matchup just in terms of FGA allowed

 

[themeistersinger]

Y’all riding Aubrey ROS?

Butker may have been dropped in some leagues. He was in mine.

For now, yes. Butker and Jake Elliott were both dropped in my league - I'll have something to think about on Tuesday. One plus for Aubrey is weeks 12-14 are all home and in a dome. 15 in Buffalo could be dicey with the weather. 11 and 16 at Carolina and Miami are outdoors but hopefully not too bad for weather. and 17 home against Detroit.

 

[TampaMike19]

Jason Myers should be ok- Washington commits turnovers and drive killing sacks. Geno offense is a good matchup against their D. Only fear is too many TD's but I can see some fireworks.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

May pivot to NO's B. Grupe.

he's been solid and it's a good matchup in the dome

I'm vacillating between Grupe or McManus

Jax kicker was red hot before the bye, tougher matchup just in terms of FGA allowed

I have Tucker and contemplating swapping him out for Grupe

 

[TampaMike19]

Risk with grupe is road matchup and Vikings coaching being good enough to sustain drives. Plus defense is better at home. But maybe Vikings will settle for field goals

 

[BobbyLayne]

Risk with grupe is road matchup and Vikings coaching being good enough to sustain drives. Plus defense is better at home. But maybe Vikings will settle for field goals

I rolled with McManus, probably set it and forget it ROS with the K bye out of the way. Dropped Grupe to boomerang Josh Reynolds back on to the roster bc I don't trust Trenton Irwin will replicate his Week 5 produciton. Might need another WR pending the GTD of Ja'Marr Chase.,

 

[kyoun1e]

Risk with grupe is road matchup and Vikings coaching being good enough to sustain drives. Plus defense is better at home. But maybe Vikings will settle for field goals

Yeah I'm not loving Grupe now that I think of it.

May check the latest on BUF winds tmrw night.

M. Prater is also available. AZ offense could get a boost today with K. Murray and Conner back. At home, facing ATL. Could be dysfunctional in the red zone. Hmmm.

 

[TampaMike19]

Risk with grupe is road matchup and Vikings coaching being good enough to sustain drives. Plus defense is better at home. But maybe Vikings will settle for field goals

Yeah I'm not loving Grupe now that I think of it.

May check the latest on BUF winds tmrw night.

M. Prater is also available. AZ offense could get a boost today with K. Murray and Conner back. At home, facing ATL. Could be dysfunctional in the red zone. Hmmm.

Come to think of it, this definitely feels like a bunch of field goals in this game. How many TD's can each team produce? They are not great TD producers currently.

 

[TampaMike19]

Risk with grupe is road matchup and Vikings coaching being good enough to sustain drives. Plus defense is better at home. But maybe Vikings will settle for field goals

Yeah I'm not loving Grupe now that I think of it.

May check the latest on BUF winds tmrw night.

M. Prater is also available. AZ offense could get a boost today with K. Murray and Conner back. At home, facing ATL. Could be dysfunctional in the red zone. Hmmm.

Well, my initial reaction on Grupe was right. lol. Yet I went against it. Vikings are destroying them.

 

[(HULK)]

It's my fault. I stuck with Grupe and the curse continues to stick with me.

I will continue to advise you which kicker I'm using every week so you guys can fade him.

 

[FarFromHome]

T. Bass owner here...

...and not liking the wind Monday night.

I saw one forecast which said winds of 7 mph gusts to 15 (neither of which is an issue)

next one I looked at:

Monday Night

Partly cloudy, with a low around 37. Breezy, with a west wind 16 to 20 mph, with gusts as high as 32 mph.

yeah i'd be looking at other options if the latter is correct

Yeah I watched a local Buffalo weather forecast and it looks very windy.

May pivot to NO's B. Grupe.

Wanted to take a moment to say mahalo. On this post regarding weather I shifted from Bass to McPherson. Bass currently sits at 0. That will obviously change but McPherson had 11.

 

[icehouse]

Thoughts on Butker? He was dropped in a few of the leagues where I have Aurbey.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

I'm throwing Bass back into the pool. What a waste.

 

[BobbyLayne]

if they ain't in a dome, don't give them a home

sage FF kicker advice circa 2005

Brandon McManus

11	Ten (3rd)	good matchup, mostly sunny 62
12	@Hou (19th)	meh, dome
13	Cin (17th)	mid, Duval
14	@Cle (30th)	yikes, yikes
15	Bal (15th)	SNF in Duval
16	@TB (21st)	mid, Florida man
17	Car (22nd)	mid, 5th time in 7 weeks in the Sunshine State

Blake Grupe

11	BYE
12	@Atl (8th)	dome
13	Det (27th)	dome
14	Car (22nd)	dome
15	NYG (26th)	dome
16	@LAR (4th)	dome
17	@TB (21st)	blue skies

 

[Gottabesweet]

Moody, Dicker or Elliott ROS. I’m leaning Moody I think

 

[FarFromHome]

I just noticed the total points difference between the #2 kicker and the #12 kicker is 9 total points. Nine. Crazy

 

[BobbyLayne]

Here's the Kicker

ALPHABETICAL ORDERING	MATCHUIP	WHY SO HIGH?	WHY SO LOW?
Anders Carlson	GB vs. LAC		most ordinary kicker usage 2nd least possessions allowed by opponent
Blake Grupe	NO Bye
Brandon Aubrey	DAL @ CAR	3rd most points expected acc. betting lines 3rd least turnovers	2nd most ordinary kicker usage risk of high PAT/FG ratio
Brandon McManus	JAC vs. TEN	3rd best kicking range 6th most possessions allowed by opponent	2nd highest chance for PATs
Cairo Santos	CHI @ DET		8th least points expected acc. betting lines 7th most ordinary kicker usage
Cameron Dicker	LAC @ GB	10th highest accuracy	4th least possessions allowed by opponent 3rd highest chance for PATs
Chad Ryland	NE Bye
Chase McLaughlin	TB @ SF		2nd least points expected acc. betting lines 6th most ordinary kicker usage
Chris Boswell	PIT @ CLE	a higher FG/PAT ratio is expected	4th least points expected acc. betting lines 3rd most turnovers
Daniel Carlson	LV @ MIA	a higher FG/PAT ratio is expected	7th least points expected acc. betting lines 5th highest chance for PATs
Dustin Hopkins	CLE vs. PIT	best kicking range a higher FG/PAT ratio is expected	2nd lowest accuracy
Eddy Pineiro	CAR vs. DAL	a higher FG/PAT ratio is expected	3rd least points expected acc. betting lines 6th most turnovers
Evan McPherson	CIN @ BAL	2nd most possessions allowed by opponent sweet spot team scoring
Greg Joseph	MIN @ DEN	a higher FG/PAT ratio is expected	lowest accuracy
Greg Zuerlein	NYJ @ BUF		6th least points expected acc. betting lines 2nd most turnovers
Harrison Butker	KC vs. PHI	5th least turnovers	4th most ordinary kicker usage
Jake Elliott	PHI @ KC	least turnovers sweet spot team scoring	8th most ordinary kicker usage
Jake Moody	SF vs. TB	4th most points expected acc. betting lines highest chance of stalling midfield	5th most ordinary kicker usage risk of high PAT/FG ratio
Jason Myers	SEA @ LAR	5th best kicking range sweet spot team scoring	3rd least possessions allowed by opponent 8th highest chance for PATs
Jason Sanders	MIA vs. LV	most points expected acc. betting lines 7th least turnovers	least possessions allowed by opponent
Joey Slye	WAS vs. NYG	8th most possessions allowed by opponent sweet spot team scoring	downgrade to own team offense
Justin Tucker	BAL vs. CIN	5th highest chance of stalling midfield 6th most points expected acc. betting lines
Lucas Havrisik	LAR vs. SEA	4th best kicking range sweet spot team scoring	8th least possessions allowed by opponent
Matt Ammendola	HOU vs. ARI	5th most points expected acc. betting lines dome or low wind speed	7th most turnovers
Matt Gay	IND Bye
Matt Prater	ARI @ HOU	dome or low wind speed sweet spot team scoring	6th lowest accuracy
Nick Folk	TEN @ JAC	a higher FG/PAT ratio is expected	5th least points expected acc. betting lines
Randy Bullock	NYG @ WAS	a higher FG/PAT ratio is expected	least points expected acc. betting lines most turnovers
Riley Patterson	DET vs. CHI	2nd most points expected acc. betting lines 4th least turnovers	risk of high PAT/FG ratio 5th least possessions allowed by opponent
Tyler Bass	BUF vs. NYJ	2nd least turnovers 5th most possessions allowed by opponent	3rd most ordinary kicker usage 5th downgrade to own team offense
Wil Lutz	DEN vs. MIN	sweet spot team scoring	6th least possessions allowed by opponent 7th highest chance for PATs
Younghoe Koo	ATL Bye

 

[Statorama]

Moody, Dicker or Elliott ROS. I’m leaning Moody I think

Philly is SUPER confident in Elliot for long FGs, if your league gives bonuses for longer FG

 

[Lansdowne]

In my dynasty league (non-PPR), my kicker Brandon Aubrey has more fantasy points on the season (87 points) than his Dallas Cowboys teammate Tony Pollard (82.9 points). Just found that amusing and wanted to share.

 

[Statorama]

I’m loading up on Riley Patterson this week. Fade accordingly

 

[TartanLion]

First time I can remember that this week I’ll be keeping my kicker Koo on my bench as he’s on bye and not just dropping him for someone else. Need to find room for a one week dude. Koo just seems to have the perfect blend of O that stutters inside kicking range and can drill long kicks at a good rate.

 

[D-Day]

Added Prater for Folk thinking K Murray/Cards will produce more opportunities than Levis/Titans.

 

[(HULK)]

Be advised, Greg Joseph is the kicker I have cursed for the week. I may swap to Dicker. If I curse Dicker instead, I'll be sure to give a warning.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

I’m loading up on Riley Patterson this week. Fade accordingly

I dropped McPherson for Patterson as well. Here's to 15 points (we can hope)

 

[dblock05]

Do we like Elliot or the jets kicker ROS?

 

[kyoun1e]

Do we like Elliot or the jets kicker ROS?

Kickers are a week to week thing for me. No way I'm sticking with one kicker unless I know they are in a dome for the rest of the season and play for a high powered offense.

Otherwise, stream.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Do we like Elliot or the jets kicker ROS?

Kickers are a week to week thing for me. No way I'm sticking with one kicker unless I know they are in a dome for the rest of the season and play for a high powered offense.

Otherwise, stream.

treat 'em like socks

 

[TheWinz]

If you think there is such a thing as kicker strength of schedule, currently the Commanders are the team to kick against, while you should avoid the Chiefs.

 

[BobbyLayne]

If you think there is such a thing as kicker strength of schedule, currently the Commanders are the team to kick against, while you should avoid the Chiefs.

I do think there is correlation between FGA and projected/actual

but it's weaker than SOS for other positions

"stud" kickers can't impose their will and take over a game, they are always beholden to the team getting field position and the coach not being aggressive on 4th down

 

[tricky92]

I'm throwing Bass back into the pool. What a waste.

Dude cost me two games over a two week stretch, missing three long field goals. They go for too many 4th downs in close and if he isn't hitting on the long tries, he's useless. Dropped him a few weeks ago and he won't be on my roster again.

 

[TheWinz]

Poor Jason Sanders. He kicks for the highest scoring team, and is currently K29. MIA is middle of the pack in terms of going for it on 4th down (and they actually suck at it, ranking 28th). Jason's problem is when the team gets in the red zone, they score TD's. They lead the league at 75% RZ TD's, leaving Sanders dead last in FG attempts, by far. Every other starter has at least 15 attempts, while Jason sits at 9.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

"stud" kickers can't impose their will and take over a game, they are always beholden to the team getting field position and the coach not being aggressive on 4th down

This is so true. Almost better to rate the coach and location over the player in this case.

 

[N Zone]

I cut #1 kicker Dustin Hopkins (b/c of the loss of D Watson) for Jake Moody SF. Was that a good decision, or do you think I will regret it?

 

[kyoun1e]

Poor Jason Sanders. He kicks for the highest scoring team, and is currently K29. MIA is middle of the pack in terms of going for it on 4th down (and they actually suck at it, ranking 28th). Jason's problem is when the team gets in the red zone, they score TD's. They lead the league at 75% RZ TD's, leaving Sanders dead last in FG attempts, by far. Every other starter has at least 15 attempts, while Jason sits at 9.

I play kicker roulette every week and there's usually 3 quality kickers left come Saturday/Sunday. Sanders right now is one of them.

May grab Sanders and hope this trend reverses...or at least get 6 PATs out of him.

 

[stillfeelme]

I cut #1 kicker Dustin Hopkins (b/c of the loss of D Watson) for Jake Moody SF. Was that a good decision, or do you think I will regret it?

I have Dustin in one league and dropped in him another league last week and now looking to pick up again but not sure I will. He has a stinker with Watson and a stinker without him but has actually had some good games without Watson playing. Not sure you will regret it but I am expecting a FG fest between two teams that want to run the ball might be close this week between those two. Cleveland's defense I am expecting to make it so that Dustin should have opportunity to kick a few.

 

[FarFromHome]

I've made my stance on kickers clear. Impossible to predict. Having said that, I prefer kickers that the team feels comfortable with kicking 50 plus yards. Sanders has zero 50 plus yards kicks. Thats a problem for me. Don't like kickers going against higher scoring teams like the Chiefs or Bills. I feel when they feel like the other team is gonna score points they will settle for the 3 less. All my opinion of course.

 

[SoBeDad]

Poor Jason Sanders. He kicks for the highest scoring team, and is currently K29. MIA is middle of the pack in terms of going for it on 4th down (and they actually suck at it, ranking 28th). Jason's problem is when the team gets in the red zone, they score TD's. They lead the league at 75% RZ TD's, leaving Sanders dead last in FG attempts, by far. Every other starter has at least 15 attempts, while Jason sits at 9.

I play kicker roulette every week and there's usually 3 quality kickers left come Saturday/Sunday. Sanders right now is one of them.

May grab Sanders and hope this trend reverses...or at least get 6 PATs out of him.

Versus LV with good weather, I think Sanders is a good start this week. He's struggled vs good teams, 2, 2 and 5 points versus KC, BUF, and PHI. In the other games, 6 to 12 points.

 

[kyoun1e]

I've made my stance on kickers clear. Impossible to predict. Having said that, I prefer kickers that the team feels comfortable with kicking 50 plus yards. Sanders has zero 50 plus yards kicks. Thats a problem for me. Don't like kickers going against higher scoring teams like the Chiefs or Bills. I feel when they feel like the other team is gonna score points they will settle for the 3 less. All my opinion of course.

Good observation.

0-1 this year, 2-6 last year and the year before.

And isn't McDaniel an analytics guy? Feel like he goes for it on 4th down.

Was thinking Prater last week, didn't grab him. Of course he goes for 17. Think he could be an under the radar play rest of year. And he certainly can hit from 50+.

 

[urbanhack]

I cut #1 kicker Dustin Hopkins (b/c of the loss of D Watson) for Jake Moody SF. Was that a good decision, or do you think I will regret it?

I rode his nice streak and then cut him before last week.

 

[SoBeDad]

Was thinking Prater last week, didn't grab him. Of course he goes for 17. Think he could be an under the radar play rest of year. And he certainly can hit from 50+.

Great kicker choice for this week @ HOU. But he has a bye week 14, and outdoor games in PIT, PHI, CHI weeks 13, 16, 17.

I'm not sure why CBSSPORTS rates him low for this week, I expect FGs.

 

[kyoun1e]

Was thinking Prater last week, didn't grab him. Of course he goes for 17. Think he could be an under the radar play rest of year. And he certainly can hit from 50+.

Great kicker choice for this week @ HOU. But he has a bye week 14, and outdoor games in PIT, PHI, CHI weeks 13, 16, 17.

I'm not sure why CBSSPORTS rates him low for this week, I expect FGs.

Yeah I could care less about two weeks from now. I drop my kicker every week into waivers.

 

[BobbyLayne]

here's the kicker

ALPHABETICAL ORDERING	WHY SO HIGH?	WHY SO LOW?
Anders Carlson	GB @ DET		most ordinary kicker usage lowest accuracy
Blake Grupe	NO @ ATL	sweet spot team scoring dome or low wind speed	7th most turnovers
Brandon Aubrey	DAL vs. WAS	most points expected acc. betting lines 3rd least turnovers	2nd most ordinary kicker usage
Brandon McManus	JAC @ HOU	4th best kicking range 6th most points expected acc. betting lines
Cairo Santos	CHI @ MIN	a higher FG/PAT ratio is expected	7th least possessions allowed by opponent
Cameron Dicker	LAC vs. BAL	2nd most possessions allowed by opponent	3rd highest chance for PATs
Chad Ryland	NE @ NYG	a higher FG/PAT ratio is expected	6th most turnovers
Chase McLaughlin	TB @ IND	a higher FG/PAT ratio is expected dome or low wind speed	4th most ordinary kicker usage
Chris Boswell	PIT @ CIN	a higher FG/PAT ratio is expected 7th best kicking range	7th least points expected acc. betting lines 3rd most turnovers
Daniel Carlson	LV vs. KC	a higher FG/PAT ratio is expected	6th least points expected acc. betting lines 4th highest chance for PATs
Dustin Hopkins	CLE @ DEN	a higher FG/PAT ratio is expected best kicking range	3rd least points expected acc. betting lines 5th most turnovers
Eddy Pineiro	CAR @ TEN		5th least points expected acc. betting lines 8th most turnovers
Evan McPherson	CIN vs. PIT	a higher FG/PAT ratio is expected	4th least points expected acc. betting lines 4th most turnovers
Greg Joseph	MIN vs. CHI	dome or low wind speed	6th most ordinary kicker usage 3rd least possessions allowed by opponent
Greg Zuerlein	NYJ vs. MIA		least points expected acc. betting lines 2nd most turnovers
Harrison Butker	KC @ LV	3rd most points expected acc. betting lines 7th least turnovers	least possessions allowed by opponent risk of high PAT/FG ratio
Jake Elliott	PHI vs. BUF	6th least turnovers	5th most ordinary kicker usage
Jake Moody	SF @ SEA		3rd most ordinary kicker usage
Jason Myers	SEA vs. SF		8th least points expected acc. betting lines
Jason Sanders	MIA @ NYJ	5th least turnovers 10th best kicking range
Joey Slye	WAS @ DAL		highest chance for PATs
Justin Tucker	BAL @ LAC	4th most points expected acc. betting lines 2nd highest chance of stalling midfield	2nd least possessions allowed by opponent risk of high PAT/FG ratio
Lucas Havrisik	LAR @ ARI	5th best kicking range sweet spot team scoring
Matt Ammendola	HOU vs. JAC	sweet spot team scoring dome or low wind speed	7th most ordinary kicker usage
Matt Gay	IND vs. TB	sweet spot team scoring 7th most possessions allowed by opponent
Matt Prater	ARI vs. LAR	sweet spot team scoring dome or low wind speed	5th least possessions allowed by opponent
Nick Folk	TEN vs. CAR	a higher FG/PAT ratio is expected
Randy Bullock	NYG vs. NE		2nd least points expected acc. betting lines most turnovers
Riley Patterson	DET vs. GB	2nd most points expected acc. betting lines 2nd least turnovers	risk of high PAT/FG ratio 4th least possessions allowed by opponent
Tyler Bass	BUF @ PHI		8th most ordinary kicker usage 5th lowest accuracy
Wil Lutz	DEN vs. CLE	a higher FG/PAT ratio is expected	6th highest chance for PATs
Younghoe Koo	ATL vs. NO	5th most possessions allowed by opponent

I feel like McManus and Grupe are a coin flip this week; leaning on the Jags K based on most recent form. Both are in a dome and the FGA / FF PTS ALLOWED TO K (21st and 19th) are roughly even.

 

[packer_junkie]

Butker has been kind of *** but barring weather, I am going to stick with him.

 

[crushedspirit]

As long as I don't have to start Riley again, we good.

Probably going back to Koo this week, but also see Santos and Hopkins available in one league.

 

[Judge Smails]

I’m debating Hopkins now. Thinking defense will always keep them in games. Worried about weather down the road though. Would prefer a dome kicker. Missed on Aubrey. May go to Koo - he was dropped last week and I drafted him at the beginning of the year

 

[BearsFan4Life]

I’m debating Hopkins now. Thinking defense will always keep them in games. Worried about weather down the road though. Would prefer a dome kicker. Missed on Aubrey. May go to Koo - he was dropped last week and I drafted him at the beginning of the year

Grupe for NO is in a dome the next 4 weeks and outdoor @ LARams and @ TB last two weeks

 

[Lansdowne]

Aubrey checks all the boxes:

- booming leg (they almost had him try one from 70 yards out)
- accurate (he’s made every FGA so far, two XP misses his only blemish)
- plays for potent offense that will regularly find itself in field goal range
- ideal kicking conditions, playing mostly indoors or warm climate

I almost always cut my kicker in dynasty but he’s going to make me think twice about that going into next season for sure.