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The Official Staff/Messageboard Survivor Thread (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Maurile Tremblay
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League 1 Player League 2
1.02 Priest Holmes 1.02
2.11 Corey Dillon 2.11
2.08 Duce Staley 3.02
4.09 Laveranues Coles 4.11
5.09 Aaron Brooks 5.02
6.10 Carson Palmer 6.11
7.03 Josh McCown 7.02
6.11 Javon Walker 8.11
9.09 Keyshawn Johnson 9.02
10.04 Willis McGahee 10.11
10.03 Boo Williams 11.02
15.10 Muhsin Muhammad 12.11
14.08 Kevin Johnson 13.02
15.03 Josh Brown 14.11
13.11 Denver Broncos 15.02
19.04 Olindo Mare 16.11
14.10 Marcus Pollard 17.02
19.02 Washington Redskins 18.11
14.11 Justin Gage 19.02
15.02 Rashaun Woods 20.11
Not bad. The only guys that I may have "reached" for compared to league 1 were Muhsin Muhammad and Kevin Johnson. Biggest steals include Duce Staley, Javon Walker, Boo Williams, Marcus Pollard, Justin Gage, and Rashaun Woods.
1.02 Priest Holmes 1.02
2.11 Corey Dillon 2.11
2.08 Duce Staley 3.02
4.09 Laveranues Coles 4.11
5.09 Aaron Brooks 5.02
6.10 Carson Palmer 6.11
7.03 Josh McCown 7.02
6.11 Javon Walker 8.11
9.09 Keyshawn Johnson 9.02
10.04 Willis McGahee 10.11
10.03 Boo Williams 11.02
15.10 Muhsin Muhammad 12.11
14.08 Kevin Johnson 13.02
15.03 Josh Brown 14.11
13.11 Denver Broncos 15.02
19.04 Olindo Mare 16.11
14.10 Marcus Pollard 17.02
19.02 Washington Redskins 18.11
14.11 Justin Gage 19.02
15.02 Rashaun Woods 20.11
Not bad. The only guys that I may have "reached" for compared to league 1 were Muhsin Muhammad and Kevin Johnson. Biggest steals include Duce Staley, Javon Walker, Boo Williams, Marcus Pollard, Justin Gage, and Rashaun Woods.
doesn't look like it. guess league 2 weren't big fans of either back in May.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I'm a little slow this morning, but am I to believe in your highlight that you're in league 2 BFred and that the VBD you suggest is your team?If so, good value.
Sinrman
Footballguy
That's my team. As I was putting the list together I noticed several things about my team and just in general. As for my team, I have 7 players that I drafted before they were taken in League 1's draft, and 8 players that I drafted after being taken in League 1 (value). Not TOO bad. The real surprising thing, is the number of reaches I have - 4 players that were not even drafted in the other league (more than anyone else). Hehe, we'll see if I am some sort of sage or some kind of looney tune.
My biggest reaches of players/teams that were drafted in both leagues: Darrell Jackson at 5.01 (was not taken until 6.05 in League 1) and the Carolina Panthers at 11.01 (was not taken until 12.08).My biggest values of players/teams that were drafted in both leagues: Warrick Dunn at 4.12 (was taken at 4.01 in League 1), LaMont Jordan at 14.12 (was taken at 14.01 in League 1), and Bobby Engram at 20.12 (was taken at 18.06 in League 1).
Fullback Fro
yesno
I don't think draft pick numbers are a good way to determine value as each draft can eb and flow differently accounting for runs in one league that may not occur until different times as another. But interesting enough.
Fullback Fro
yesno
I beleive that is a reasonable assumption if we agree what 'value' is. It could be getting someone later than their daft spot, but it could also mean grabbing someone earlier than their draft spot to lock up rb handcuffs or wr tandems. Value to one team greatly differs from value to the next. In fact, every pick should offer some 'value' one way or another, so in reality your statement means nothing.
how does the QB squeeze look now?Grouse is down to 1 starting QB in Marc Bulger.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
The effect remains the same...it hurt a couple of MB teams, but strengthened the top tier MB Teams. I personally ranked Grouse's squad #9 and sited QB Risk as one of his weaknesses. The Staff needs to worry about the top teams...not the bottom ones.Fro, Joe T, Fred etc.
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grouse
Footballguy
I didn't get 'squeezed' as you suggest.Screwed by my own strategy, perhaps.But I think it is both unnecessary grandstanding and an erroneous correlation between Quincy Carter's cocaine test/release, and my not having a starting backup QB and subsequently claiming this predicament is a result of the Staff's QB Squeeze Play.Again....By the time Round 7 rolled around, I was the only team with only 1 QB on my roster. Guys like Carr, Maddox, Rattay & Grossman were still on the board for my 7th round pick. Again, I was the only team with only 1 QB on my roster at that point in the draft with quality backups in Carr, Maddox, Rattay & Grossman still on the board. I chose to draft Chambers and wait for Carter who had top-15 numbers last year and I thought was extremely likely to retain his job and represent good value as a backup. This was my choice. I didn't get squeezed. I could've had Bulger and Carr as my QB's IF that was what I'd wanted. I gambled on Carter, and it may cost me the competition.But cocaine? C'mon? The job was his. Maybe Henson has looked good. But, the job was Carter's for this year. Cocaine? FFFAAAAAK!
I'd put cocaine in the same category as a freak injury. That kind of stuff happens. It's one reason carrying only two QBs instead of three is a gamble.Not that gambles are always bad.
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the point is that if we didn't hit QBs as hard as we did, you may have still had a better selection of QBs in round 8. yes, you could have grabbed one in 7 and likely been in better shape right now. But, you took a risk, which ended up hurting your team in the end.the point of the squeeze, IMO, is that it leaves little margin for error in sitautions like yours. It was very tempting to pass on a "marginal" backup QB at 7.03 for a WR like Chambers...but, in doing so, you left yourself little wiggle room as there were few QBs left when the draft got back to you at 8.10. If you pick the wrong QB2 and/or QB3, your team is in trouble.Meanwhile, the staff's plan of each grabbing 3 QBs that were unlikely to be benched or cut put us in a position where we didn't have to worry about losing 1 of our QBs unexpectedly during the preseason as we'd still have 2 others ready to go.Honestly not trying to rub it in here. Just trying to talk strategy, and I know a lot of people questioned the effectiveness and the soundness of the staff strategy. Personally, I think how well it worked is becoming more and more obvious as things like this continue to occur.
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grouse
Footballguy
Why are you putting words in my mouth? Tempting?I wanted Quincy Carter to be my backup QB. 
I never planned on drafting more than 2 QB's. Kerry Collins was an accidental indulgence in round 12.Bad strategy? Maybe so. But the Staff's run on QB's had nothing to do with my strategy nor its' net result. Had I felt squeezed by the Staff as you suggest, I would have deviated from my strategy and taken a backup QB earlier than I'd planned in round 7 rather than draft Chambers after seeing so many QB's run off the board. Not the other way around. My margin for error may have been slimmer than others, but that was of my choosing, not the result of any Staff strategy.Stop pimpin' my bad strategy as a notch on your belt when it doesn't belong there. 
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Is there an echo in here? Laptopaccount posted the same thing two minutes ago.
fine. you win.it was a bad strategy and our strategy was better.happy now?
Sinrman
Footballguy
Let's take a look...
Sinrman
Pick Pos Name Team
01.01 RB LaDainian Tomlinson SD/10
02.12 WR Chad Johnson Cin/5
03.01 WR Terrell Owens Phi/5
04.12 RB Warrick Dunn Atl/9
05.01 WR Darrell Jackson Sea/4
06.12 QB Drew Bledsoe Buf/3
07.01 QB Joey Harrington Det/4
08.12 WR David Boston Mia/10 OUT
09.01 TE Alge Crumpler Atl/9
10.12 TE Randy McMichael Mia/10
11.01 Def Carolina Panthers Car/3
12.12 RB Anthony Thomas Chi/5 STRAINED ADOMONAL MUSCLE
13.01 PK Mike Vanderjagt Ind/6
14.12 RB Lamont Jordan NYJ/3
15.01 RB Chris Perry Cin/5
16.12 RB Artose Pinner Det/4
17.01 RB Labrandon Toefield Jac/9 HIGH ANKLE SPRAIN
18.12 QB Drew Brees SD/10
19.01 PK Paul Edinger Chi/5
20.12 WR Bobby Engram Sea/4
Grouse
Pick Pos Name Team
01.03 RB Deuce McAllister NO/8
02.10 RB Rudi Johnson Cin/5
03.03 RB Julius Jones Dal/4
04.10 TE Todd Heap Bal/6
05.03 QB Marc Bulger StL/8
06.10 WR Koren Robinson Sea/4
07.03 WR Chris Chambers Mia/10
08.10 QB Quincy Carter Dal/4 RELEASED, SIGNED BY JETS - BACKUP
09.03 WR Justin McCareins NYJ/3
10.10 RB Quentin Griffin Den/10
11.03 WR Donald Driver GB/9
12.10 QB Kerry Collins Oak/10 GANNON #1
13.03 RB Musa Smith Bal/6
14.10 WR Marcus Robinson Min/4 NAGGING INJURIES - DEMOTED TO #3
15.03 RB Greg Jones Jac/9
16.10 TE Erron Kinney Ten/9
17.03 Def Seattle Seahawks Sea/4
18.10 Def Indianapolis Colts Ind/6
19.03 PK John Hall Was/7
20.10 PK Billy Cundiff Dal/4
Rebel34
Pick Pos Name Team
01.05 RB Shaun Alexander Sea/4
02.08 RB Marcel Shipp Ari/6 OUT
03.05 QB Peyton Manning Ind/6
04.08 WR Steve Smith Car/3
05.05 WR Andre Johnson Hou/7
06.08 QB Byron Leftwich Jac/9
07.05 RB DeShaun Foster Car/3
08.08 WR Larry Fitzgerald Ari/6
09.05 WR Jerry Porter Oak/10
10.08 RB Steven Jackson StL/8
11.05 TE Freddie Jones Ari/6
12.08 WR Drew Bennett Ten/9
13.05 PK Adam Vinatieri NE/3
14.08 QB Philip Rivers SD/10
15.05 RB Maurice Morris Sea/4
16.08 WR Lee Evans Buf/3
17.05 PK Kris Brown Hou/7
18.08 TE Ben Troupe Ten/9
19.05 Def Atlanta Falcons Atl/9
20.08 Def Arizona Cardinals Ari/6
Bostonfred
Pick Pos Name Team
01.07 RB Clinton Portis Was/7 LOSS OF LINEMAN
02.06 RB Domanick Davis Hou/7
03.07 QB Daunte Culpepper Min/4
04.06 TE Tony Gonzalez KC/5 NAGGING STRESS FRACTURE IN FOOT
05.07 WR Eric Moulds Buf/3
06.06 RB Tatum Bell Den/10 FINGER & CROWDED BACKFIELD
07.07 WR Amani Toomer NYG/6
08.06 QB Kyle Boller Bal/6
09.07 TE Kellen Winslow Cle/8
10.06 RB Onterrio Smith Min/4 SUSPENDED FOR 4 GAMES DURING SEASON
11.07 WR Roy Williams Det/4
12.06 WR Reggie Williams Jac/9
13.07 PK Jeff Wilkins StL/8
14.06 PK Jay Feely Atl/9
15.07 Def Buffalo Bills Buf/3
16.06 WR Dennis Northcutt Cle/8
17.07 QB Gus Frerotte Min/4
18.06 Def Oakland Raiders Oak/10
19.07 Def New Orleans Saints NO/8
20.06 RB Michael Pittman TB/8
Sandbagger
Pick Pos Name Team
01.09 RB Ricky Williams Mia/10 RETIRED
02.04 RB Travis Henry Buf/3 RISE OF MCGAHEE
03.09 WR Hines Ward Pit/7
04.04 TE Jeremy Shockey NYG/6 INJURED FOOT
05.09 QB Brett Favre GB/9
06.04 QB Brad Johnson TB/8
07.09 WR Keenan McCardell TB/8 HOLDOUT
08.04 RB Garrison Hearst Den/10 CROWDED BACKFIELD
09.09 RB Eddie George Ten/9 JONES #1 - HAS LOOKED TERRIBLE
10.04 WR Quincy Morgan Cle/8
11.09 WR Deion Branch NE/3
12.04 TE Itula Mili Sea/4 DEMOTED TO #2
13.09 PK Jason Elam Den/10
14.04 PK Ryan Longwell GB/9
15.09 Def St. Louis Rams StL/8 DEFENSE STRUGGLING
16.04 QB Rich Gannon Oak/10
17.09 WR Josh Reed Buf/3
18.04 WR Troy Brown NE/3
19.09 RB Amos Zereoue Oak/10 CROWDED BACKFIELD
20.04 Def San Francisco 49ers SF/7
Twilight
Pick Pos Name Team
01.11 WR Randy Moss Min/4
02.02 WR Marvin Harrison Ind/6
03.11 RB Thomas Jones Chi/5
04.02 RB T.J. Duckett Atl/9
05.11 QB Chad Pennington NYJ/3
06.02 RB Lee Suggs Cle/8
07.11 QB AJ Feeley Mia/10 LOSS OF BOSTON & WILLIAMS
08.02 RB William Green Cle/8 SUGGS THE LIKELY STARTER
09.11 WR Donte' Stallworth NO/8
10.02 WR Brandon Lloyd SF/7
11.11 WR Tyrone Calico Ten/9 KNEE SURGERY - WILL MISS AT LEAST 3 WEEKS
12.02 TE L.J. Smith Phi/5
13.11 RB Kevin Faulk NE/3
14.02 PK David Akers Phi/5
15.11 Def Jacksonville Jaguars Jac/9
16.02 PK John Kasay Car/3
17.11 Def Minnesota Vikings Min/4
18.02 QB Eli Manning NYG/6
19.11 Def Cincinnati Bengals Cin/5
20.02 TE Jerramy Stevens Sea/4
Aaron Rudnicki
Pick Pos Name Team
01.02 RB Priest Holmes KC/5
02.11 RB Corey Dillon NE/3
03.02 RB Duce Staley Pit/7
04.11 WR Laveranues Coles Was/7
05.02 QB Aaron Brooks NO/8
06.11 QB Carson Palmer Cin/5
07.02 QB Josh McCown Ari/6 LOSS OF BOLDIN & SHIPP
08.11 WR Javon Walker GB/9
09.02 WR Keyshawn Johnson Dal/4
10.11 RB Willis McGahee Buf/3 HENRY #1
11.02 TE Boo Williams NO/8
12.11 WR Muhsin Muhammad Car/3
13.02 WR Kevin Johnson Bal/6
14.11 PK Josh Brown Sea/4
15.02 Def Denver Broncos Den/10
16.11 PK Olindo Mare Mia/10
17.02 TE Marcus Pollard Ind/6
18.11 Def Washington Redskins Was/7
19.02 WR Justin Gage Chi/5
20.11 WR Rashaun Woods SF/7
Mike Anderson
Pick Pos Name Team
01.04 RB Ahman Green GB/9 DINGED KNEE
02.09 RB Stephen Davis Car/3
03.04 RB Brian Westbrook Phi/5
04.09 QB Matt Hasselbeck Sea/4
05.04 WR Anquan Boldin Ari/6 OUT FOR 2-3 MONTHS
06.09 QB Mark Brunell Was/7 LOSS OF LINEMAN & RAMSEY PRESENCE
07.04 QB Rex Grossman Chi/5 PRESEASON STRUGGLES
08.09 WR Isaac Bruce StL/8
09.04 WR Ashley Lelie Den/10
10.09 Def New England Patriots NE/3
11.04 Def Miami Dolphins Mia/10
12.09 RB Jerome Bettis Pit/7
13.04 WR Johnnie Morton KC/5 INJURED ACHILLES - OUT ???
14.09 WR Ike Hilliard NYG/6
15.04 PK Aaron Elling Min/4 RELEASED
16.09 TE Billy Miller Hou/7
17.04 WR Eric Parker SD/10
18.09 PK Jason Hanson Det/4
19.04 Def Kansas City Chiefs KC/5
20.09 TE Anthony Becht NYJ/3
Chris Smith
Pick Pos Name Team
01.06 RB Edgerrin James Ind/6
02.07 RB Michael Bennett Min/4 DINGED KNEE - INJURY PRONE
03.06 RB Charlie Garner TB/8
04.07 QB Steve McNair Ten/9
05.06 QB Trent Green KC/5
06.07 WR Jimmy Smith Jac/9
07.06 QB David Carr Hou/7
08.07 WR Rod Smith Den/10
09.06 WR Plaxico Burress Pit/7
10.07 Def Baltimore Ravens Bal/6
11.06 WR Joey Galloway TB/8
12.07 TE Bubba Franks GB/9
13.06 Def Tennessee Titans Ten/9
14.07 RB Mike Alstott TB/8
15.06 TE Daniel Graham NE/3
16.07 PK John Carney NO/8
17.06 RB Tony Hollings Hou/7
18.07 WR Corey Bradford Hou/7
19.06 WR Travis Taylor Bal/6
20.07 PK Doug Brien NYJ/3
Maurile Tremblay
Pick Pos Name Team
01.08 RB Jamal Lewis Bal/6 TRIAL SET FOR NOV. 1 - MISS HOW MUCH?
02.05 WR Torry Holt StL/8
03.08 RB Curtis Martin NYJ/3
04.05 WR Derrick Mason Ten/9
05.08 QB Tom Brady NE/3
06.05 QB Jake Plummer Den/10
07.08 QB Tim Rattay SF/7 TORN GROIN & TENDONITIS
08.05 WR Marty Booker Chi/5 TRADE TO MIAMI - NOT #1 ANYMORE
09.08 RB Correll Buckhalter Phi/5 OUT
10.05 RB Moe Williams Min/4
11.08 WR Jerry Rice Oak/10
12.05 WR Andre' Davis Cle/8
13.08 TE Desmond Clark Chi/5
14.05 PK Matt Stover Bal/6
15.08 TE Jason Witten Dal/4
16.05 PK Martin Gramatica TB/8
17.08 Def Green Bay Packers GB/9
18.05 Def Chicago Bears Chi/5
19.08 Def San Diego Chargers SD/10
20.05 WR Kevin Dyson SD/10
David Yudkin
Pick Pos Name Team
01.10 RB Fred Taylor Jac/9
02.03 RB Tiki Barber NYG/6 RISE OF DAYNE = REDUCED ROLE?
03.10 QB Michael Vick Atl/9 STRUGGLED TREMENDOUSLY THIS PRESEASON
04.03 RB Chris Brown Ten/9
05.10 WR Santana Moss NYJ/3
06.03 QB Jake Delhomme Car/3
07.10 QB Tommy Maddox Pit/7
08.03 WR Charles Rogers Det/4
09.10 RB Richie Anderson Dal/4
10.03 WR Peter Warrick Cin/5
11.10 Def Tampa Bay Buccaneers TB/8
12.03 WR Eddie Kennison KC/5
13.10 TE Antonio Gates SD/10
14.03 Def Dallas Cowboys Dal/4
15.10 PK Joe Nedney Ten/9
16.03 TE Jim Kleinsasser Min/4
17.10 WR Terry Glenn Dal/4
18.03 PK Morten Andersen KC/5 RELEASED
19.10 RB Tyrone Wheatley Oak/10
20.03 RB Troy Hambrick Oak/10 CROWDED BACKFIELD
Shawn Culcasi
Pick Pos Name Team
01.12 RB Kevan Barlow SF/7 STRUGGLING OFFENSE HURTS VALUE
02.01 RB Marshall Faulk StL/8
03.12 RB Kevin Jones Det/4 SPLIT TIME WITH PINNER?
04.01 QB Donovan McNabb Phi/5
05.12 WR Joe Horn NO/8
06.01 QB Jeff Garcia Cle/8
07.12 WR Peerless Price Atl/9
08.01 QB Kurt Warner NYG/6
09.12 WR Reggie Wayne Ind/6
10.01 WR Rod Gardner Was/7
11.12 TE Dallas Clark Ind/6
12.01 WR David Givens NE/3
13.12 Def Philadelphia Eagles Phi/5
14.01 RB Shawn Bryson Det/4 LOOKS TO BE #3, NOT #2 RB
15.12 TE Eric Johnson SF/7
16.01 PK Sebastian Janikowski Oak/10
17.12 RB Ladell Betts Was/7
18.01 Def Pittsburgh Steelers Pit/7
19.12 Def Detroit Lions Det/4
20.01 PK Shayne Graham Cin/5
Updated as of 9/04/04. I'm sure I missed one or two... I think a lot of us are praying that preseason ends NOW!
Sinrman
Pick Pos Name Team
01.01 RB LaDainian Tomlinson SD/10
02.12 WR Chad Johnson Cin/5
03.01 WR Terrell Owens Phi/5
04.12 RB Warrick Dunn Atl/9
05.01 WR Darrell Jackson Sea/4
06.12 QB Drew Bledsoe Buf/3
07.01 QB Joey Harrington Det/4
08.12 WR David Boston Mia/10 OUT
09.01 TE Alge Crumpler Atl/9
10.12 TE Randy McMichael Mia/10
11.01 Def Carolina Panthers Car/3
12.12 RB Anthony Thomas Chi/5 STRAINED ADOMONAL MUSCLE
13.01 PK Mike Vanderjagt Ind/6
14.12 RB Lamont Jordan NYJ/3
15.01 RB Chris Perry Cin/5
16.12 RB Artose Pinner Det/4
17.01 RB Labrandon Toefield Jac/9 HIGH ANKLE SPRAIN
18.12 QB Drew Brees SD/10
19.01 PK Paul Edinger Chi/5
20.12 WR Bobby Engram Sea/4
Grouse
Pick Pos Name Team
01.03 RB Deuce McAllister NO/8
02.10 RB Rudi Johnson Cin/5
03.03 RB Julius Jones Dal/4
04.10 TE Todd Heap Bal/6
05.03 QB Marc Bulger StL/8
06.10 WR Koren Robinson Sea/4
07.03 WR Chris Chambers Mia/10
08.10 QB Quincy Carter Dal/4 RELEASED, SIGNED BY JETS - BACKUP
09.03 WR Justin McCareins NYJ/3
10.10 RB Quentin Griffin Den/10
11.03 WR Donald Driver GB/9
12.10 QB Kerry Collins Oak/10 GANNON #1
13.03 RB Musa Smith Bal/6
14.10 WR Marcus Robinson Min/4 NAGGING INJURIES - DEMOTED TO #3
15.03 RB Greg Jones Jac/9
16.10 TE Erron Kinney Ten/9
17.03 Def Seattle Seahawks Sea/4
18.10 Def Indianapolis Colts Ind/6
19.03 PK John Hall Was/7
20.10 PK Billy Cundiff Dal/4
Rebel34
Pick Pos Name Team
01.05 RB Shaun Alexander Sea/4
02.08 RB Marcel Shipp Ari/6 OUT
03.05 QB Peyton Manning Ind/6
04.08 WR Steve Smith Car/3
05.05 WR Andre Johnson Hou/7
06.08 QB Byron Leftwich Jac/9
07.05 RB DeShaun Foster Car/3
08.08 WR Larry Fitzgerald Ari/6
09.05 WR Jerry Porter Oak/10
10.08 RB Steven Jackson StL/8
11.05 TE Freddie Jones Ari/6
12.08 WR Drew Bennett Ten/9
13.05 PK Adam Vinatieri NE/3
14.08 QB Philip Rivers SD/10
15.05 RB Maurice Morris Sea/4
16.08 WR Lee Evans Buf/3
17.05 PK Kris Brown Hou/7
18.08 TE Ben Troupe Ten/9
19.05 Def Atlanta Falcons Atl/9
20.08 Def Arizona Cardinals Ari/6
Bostonfred
Pick Pos Name Team
01.07 RB Clinton Portis Was/7 LOSS OF LINEMAN
02.06 RB Domanick Davis Hou/7
03.07 QB Daunte Culpepper Min/4
04.06 TE Tony Gonzalez KC/5 NAGGING STRESS FRACTURE IN FOOT
05.07 WR Eric Moulds Buf/3
06.06 RB Tatum Bell Den/10 FINGER & CROWDED BACKFIELD
07.07 WR Amani Toomer NYG/6
08.06 QB Kyle Boller Bal/6
09.07 TE Kellen Winslow Cle/8
10.06 RB Onterrio Smith Min/4 SUSPENDED FOR 4 GAMES DURING SEASON
11.07 WR Roy Williams Det/4
12.06 WR Reggie Williams Jac/9
13.07 PK Jeff Wilkins StL/8
14.06 PK Jay Feely Atl/9
15.07 Def Buffalo Bills Buf/3
16.06 WR Dennis Northcutt Cle/8
17.07 QB Gus Frerotte Min/4
18.06 Def Oakland Raiders Oak/10
19.07 Def New Orleans Saints NO/8
20.06 RB Michael Pittman TB/8
Sandbagger
Pick Pos Name Team
01.09 RB Ricky Williams Mia/10 RETIRED
02.04 RB Travis Henry Buf/3 RISE OF MCGAHEE
03.09 WR Hines Ward Pit/7
04.04 TE Jeremy Shockey NYG/6 INJURED FOOT
05.09 QB Brett Favre GB/9
06.04 QB Brad Johnson TB/8
07.09 WR Keenan McCardell TB/8 HOLDOUT
08.04 RB Garrison Hearst Den/10 CROWDED BACKFIELD
09.09 RB Eddie George Ten/9 JONES #1 - HAS LOOKED TERRIBLE
10.04 WR Quincy Morgan Cle/8
11.09 WR Deion Branch NE/3
12.04 TE Itula Mili Sea/4 DEMOTED TO #2
13.09 PK Jason Elam Den/10
14.04 PK Ryan Longwell GB/9
15.09 Def St. Louis Rams StL/8 DEFENSE STRUGGLING
16.04 QB Rich Gannon Oak/10
17.09 WR Josh Reed Buf/3
18.04 WR Troy Brown NE/3
19.09 RB Amos Zereoue Oak/10 CROWDED BACKFIELD
20.04 Def San Francisco 49ers SF/7
Twilight
Pick Pos Name Team
01.11 WR Randy Moss Min/4
02.02 WR Marvin Harrison Ind/6
03.11 RB Thomas Jones Chi/5
04.02 RB T.J. Duckett Atl/9
05.11 QB Chad Pennington NYJ/3
06.02 RB Lee Suggs Cle/8
07.11 QB AJ Feeley Mia/10 LOSS OF BOSTON & WILLIAMS
08.02 RB William Green Cle/8 SUGGS THE LIKELY STARTER
09.11 WR Donte' Stallworth NO/8
10.02 WR Brandon Lloyd SF/7
11.11 WR Tyrone Calico Ten/9 KNEE SURGERY - WILL MISS AT LEAST 3 WEEKS
12.02 TE L.J. Smith Phi/5
13.11 RB Kevin Faulk NE/3
14.02 PK David Akers Phi/5
15.11 Def Jacksonville Jaguars Jac/9
16.02 PK John Kasay Car/3
17.11 Def Minnesota Vikings Min/4
18.02 QB Eli Manning NYG/6
19.11 Def Cincinnati Bengals Cin/5
20.02 TE Jerramy Stevens Sea/4
Aaron Rudnicki
Pick Pos Name Team
01.02 RB Priest Holmes KC/5
02.11 RB Corey Dillon NE/3
03.02 RB Duce Staley Pit/7
04.11 WR Laveranues Coles Was/7
05.02 QB Aaron Brooks NO/8
06.11 QB Carson Palmer Cin/5
07.02 QB Josh McCown Ari/6 LOSS OF BOLDIN & SHIPP
08.11 WR Javon Walker GB/9
09.02 WR Keyshawn Johnson Dal/4
10.11 RB Willis McGahee Buf/3 HENRY #1
11.02 TE Boo Williams NO/8
12.11 WR Muhsin Muhammad Car/3
13.02 WR Kevin Johnson Bal/6
14.11 PK Josh Brown Sea/4
15.02 Def Denver Broncos Den/10
16.11 PK Olindo Mare Mia/10
17.02 TE Marcus Pollard Ind/6
18.11 Def Washington Redskins Was/7
19.02 WR Justin Gage Chi/5
20.11 WR Rashaun Woods SF/7
Mike Anderson
Pick Pos Name Team
01.04 RB Ahman Green GB/9 DINGED KNEE
02.09 RB Stephen Davis Car/3
03.04 RB Brian Westbrook Phi/5
04.09 QB Matt Hasselbeck Sea/4
05.04 WR Anquan Boldin Ari/6 OUT FOR 2-3 MONTHS
06.09 QB Mark Brunell Was/7 LOSS OF LINEMAN & RAMSEY PRESENCE
07.04 QB Rex Grossman Chi/5 PRESEASON STRUGGLES
08.09 WR Isaac Bruce StL/8
09.04 WR Ashley Lelie Den/10
10.09 Def New England Patriots NE/3
11.04 Def Miami Dolphins Mia/10
12.09 RB Jerome Bettis Pit/7
13.04 WR Johnnie Morton KC/5 INJURED ACHILLES - OUT ???
14.09 WR Ike Hilliard NYG/6
15.04 PK Aaron Elling Min/4 RELEASED
16.09 TE Billy Miller Hou/7
17.04 WR Eric Parker SD/10
18.09 PK Jason Hanson Det/4
19.04 Def Kansas City Chiefs KC/5
20.09 TE Anthony Becht NYJ/3
Chris Smith
Pick Pos Name Team
01.06 RB Edgerrin James Ind/6
02.07 RB Michael Bennett Min/4 DINGED KNEE - INJURY PRONE
03.06 RB Charlie Garner TB/8
04.07 QB Steve McNair Ten/9
05.06 QB Trent Green KC/5
06.07 WR Jimmy Smith Jac/9
07.06 QB David Carr Hou/7
08.07 WR Rod Smith Den/10
09.06 WR Plaxico Burress Pit/7
10.07 Def Baltimore Ravens Bal/6
11.06 WR Joey Galloway TB/8
12.07 TE Bubba Franks GB/9
13.06 Def Tennessee Titans Ten/9
14.07 RB Mike Alstott TB/8
15.06 TE Daniel Graham NE/3
16.07 PK John Carney NO/8
17.06 RB Tony Hollings Hou/7
18.07 WR Corey Bradford Hou/7
19.06 WR Travis Taylor Bal/6
20.07 PK Doug Brien NYJ/3
Maurile Tremblay
Pick Pos Name Team
01.08 RB Jamal Lewis Bal/6 TRIAL SET FOR NOV. 1 - MISS HOW MUCH?
02.05 WR Torry Holt StL/8
03.08 RB Curtis Martin NYJ/3
04.05 WR Derrick Mason Ten/9
05.08 QB Tom Brady NE/3
06.05 QB Jake Plummer Den/10
07.08 QB Tim Rattay SF/7 TORN GROIN & TENDONITIS
08.05 WR Marty Booker Chi/5 TRADE TO MIAMI - NOT #1 ANYMORE
09.08 RB Correll Buckhalter Phi/5 OUT
10.05 RB Moe Williams Min/4
11.08 WR Jerry Rice Oak/10
12.05 WR Andre' Davis Cle/8
13.08 TE Desmond Clark Chi/5
14.05 PK Matt Stover Bal/6
15.08 TE Jason Witten Dal/4
16.05 PK Martin Gramatica TB/8
17.08 Def Green Bay Packers GB/9
18.05 Def Chicago Bears Chi/5
19.08 Def San Diego Chargers SD/10
20.05 WR Kevin Dyson SD/10
David Yudkin
Pick Pos Name Team
01.10 RB Fred Taylor Jac/9
02.03 RB Tiki Barber NYG/6 RISE OF DAYNE = REDUCED ROLE?
03.10 QB Michael Vick Atl/9 STRUGGLED TREMENDOUSLY THIS PRESEASON
04.03 RB Chris Brown Ten/9
05.10 WR Santana Moss NYJ/3
06.03 QB Jake Delhomme Car/3
07.10 QB Tommy Maddox Pit/7
08.03 WR Charles Rogers Det/4
09.10 RB Richie Anderson Dal/4
10.03 WR Peter Warrick Cin/5
11.10 Def Tampa Bay Buccaneers TB/8
12.03 WR Eddie Kennison KC/5
13.10 TE Antonio Gates SD/10
14.03 Def Dallas Cowboys Dal/4
15.10 PK Joe Nedney Ten/9
16.03 TE Jim Kleinsasser Min/4
17.10 WR Terry Glenn Dal/4
18.03 PK Morten Andersen KC/5 RELEASED
19.10 RB Tyrone Wheatley Oak/10
20.03 RB Troy Hambrick Oak/10 CROWDED BACKFIELD
Shawn Culcasi
Pick Pos Name Team
01.12 RB Kevan Barlow SF/7 STRUGGLING OFFENSE HURTS VALUE
02.01 RB Marshall Faulk StL/8
03.12 RB Kevin Jones Det/4 SPLIT TIME WITH PINNER?
04.01 QB Donovan McNabb Phi/5
05.12 WR Joe Horn NO/8
06.01 QB Jeff Garcia Cle/8
07.12 WR Peerless Price Atl/9
08.01 QB Kurt Warner NYG/6
09.12 WR Reggie Wayne Ind/6
10.01 WR Rod Gardner Was/7
11.12 TE Dallas Clark Ind/6
12.01 WR David Givens NE/3
13.12 Def Philadelphia Eagles Phi/5
14.01 RB Shawn Bryson Det/4 LOOKS TO BE #3, NOT #2 RB
15.12 TE Eric Johnson SF/7
16.01 PK Sebastian Janikowski Oak/10
17.12 RB Ladell Betts Was/7
18.01 Def Pittsburgh Steelers Pit/7
19.12 Def Detroit Lions Det/4
20.01 PK Shayne Graham Cin/5
Updated as of 9/04/04. I'm sure I missed one or two... I think a lot of us are praying that preseason ends NOW!
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Looking over the rosters again, I want to upgrade 2 teams.1. David Yudkin: Dave, Why did you have to take Vick? You have a different QB there like a McNair or Trent Green and I'd put you there as one of the top 2. I like the value he has in almost every round. Tiki Barber won't be affected by Dayne as most think.2. Twilight: I don't like going Stud Wr because it forces your next Rb selections to be right on or you'll struggle at RB all season. However, Twilight did a very good job in getting Thomas Jones who appears ready for a breakout season and he's got Lee Suggs who also appears solid. Good for you Twilight. He's got as good as chance as anyone heading into this season.
GB good luck
some interesting comments throughout this thread, but just felt like revisiting this simulation that Dodds ran.Estimated Odds for making the merger:
Rudnicki 64.33%
Tremblay 47.95%
Sandbagger 46.78%
Yudkin 45.61%
BostonFred 39.77%
Sinrman 36.26%
Smith 35.09%
Anderson 35.09%
Culcasi 29.24%
Grouse 12.87%
Twilight 3.51%
Rebel34 3.51%
teams that made the merger are highlighted in bold. Looks like Rebel was a heck of a longshot making it this far
and bagger choked (again).Total Points at Merger:
1. Culcasi 2054.60
2. Rudnicki 1935.25
3. BostonFred 1926.56
4. Sinrman 1841.30
5. Rebel34 1827.50
6. Tremblay 1778.45
7. Yudkin 1738.35
8. Smith 1690.15
9. Grouse 1627.40
10. Anderson 1595.90
11. Twilight 1589.90
12. Sandbagger 1308.25 :X
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Half and half MB/Staff at the merger.I take a few things from this so far:1) team QB squeeze play by the staff was not successful2) rebel is a perfect example of why you have to follow your own calls and use "expert" opinions as advice, not as gospel - your draft on paper on August 31 is no reflection of what your draft will look like in reality on Dec. 1.3) Aaron and B-Fred have established, over and over in multiple drafts, that they are two of the best survivor drafters in the FBGuys.com world - staff, MB, or otherwise.
