The Other Scenario (1 Viewer)

[Colin Dowling]

What does that do to the various opinions of Manning and his being a "choker?" The same idea can be said of the Lakers and Mavs getting by the Spurs in the NBA West and then losing the Finals to the East.

If Manning and the Colts win tomorrow but lose the SB, does much of the "Manning can't win the big one" rhetoric disappear, or is it still thought of as the same ol' same ol?

 

[Pat Patriot]

I think if he beats the Patriots much of the "choker" label will be erased. However, if he loses the Bowl, and never wins one, he cannot be recognized as the greatest QB ever which is what a lot of people would like to declare him.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I think if he beats the Patriots much of the "choker" label will be erased. However, if he loses the Bowl, and never wins one, he cannot be recognized as the greatest QB ever which is what a lot of people would like to declare him.

Interesting. I think most peeps are staying FAR away from a "greatest" label precisely because of the fact he hasn't won a Super Bowl.

 

[Widbil83]

I think if he beats the Patriots much of the "choker" label will be erased. However, if he loses the Bowl, and never wins one, he cannot be recognized as the greatest QB ever which is what a lot of people would like to declare him.

If he beats the Pats then loses the super bowl I think he will be labeled a huge choker.

 

[BGP]

I think if he beats the Patriots much of the "choker" label will be erased. However, if he loses the Bowl, and never wins one, he cannot be recognized as the greatest QB ever which is what a lot of people would like to declare him.

If he beats the Pats then loses the super bowl I think he will be labeled a huge choker.

Yah I think Manning would get labelled an even BIGGER choker than he already has been getting. People would say, "The ONE time you finally got past the Patriots, and got to the super bowl, and you LOST to the WEAK NFC."

 

[Joe Bryant]

For most people, he will never ever be over it until he wins the Super Bowl. If he were to win tomorrow, that will do nothing for most people.

J

 

[Chaos Commish]

I think if he beats the Patriots much of the "choker" label will be erased. However, if he loses the Bowl, and never wins one, he cannot be recognized as the greatest QB ever which is what a lot of people would like to declare him.

If he beats the Pats then loses the super bowl I think he will be labeled a huge choker.

Yah I think Manning would get labelled an even BIGGER choker than he already has been getting. People would say, "The ONE time you finally got past the Patriots, and got to the super bowl, and you LOST to the WEAK NFC."

I think this right. Beating the Pats. Getting over the hump. Representing the AFC, the conference people all year have said would win the Super Bowl regardless of who it was playing... and then losing. The heat would get turned up even higher.

 

[Joe Bryant]

And what you're saying Colin is what I've been saying is the absolute nightmare scenario for Manning. I doubt they advance so I haven't been worrying too much about it but if they win tomorrow, and the Saints win, it couldn't be a worse situation for New Orleans native Manning. The entire world will be either rooting for New Orleans and / or hoping Manning chokes. If he wins, it'll be "wow, you beat the poor Saints that were 3-13 last year in the weakest NFC in memory. Big deal". If he loses, it'll be for weeks for the Manning haters.

If Indianapolis wins, he'll be a lot better off if the Bears win. But we'll see soon enough.

J

 

[Raider Nation]

If the Saints win the early game, I'm rooting for the Colts.

Why?

Because even if Vegas sets the under/over at 60, that game going OVER is free

 

[Jack Ham & Eggs]

And what you're saying Colin is what I've been saying is the absolute nightmare scenario for Manning. I doubt they advance so I haven't been worrying too much about it but if they win tomorrow, and the Saints win, it couldn't be a worse situation for New Orleans native Manning. The entire world will be either rooting for New Orleans and / or hoping Manning chokes. If he wins, it'll be "wow, you beat the poor Saints that were 3-13 last year in the weakest NFC in memory. Big deal". If he loses, it'll be for weeks for the Manning haters. If Indianapolis wins, he'll be a lot better off if the Bears win. But we'll see soon enough.J

If he wins this Super Bowl, I don't think it matters which team he beats. There will be some naysayers, sure, but they'll just be grasping at straws and won't be worth taking seriously. Bottom line is he's two wins away from exorcising the demons.

 

[brobe4]

If I keep throwing mudd against the wall something will stick. Law of average?

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Even Manning supporters have to admit that the guy needs to win a Super Bowl before the "choker" label can come off completely.

But really-- he's been choking the entire playoffs. The defense has saved his butt twice now. That's more than fair, of course-- they wouldn't be anywhere near the playoffs without him. But he hasn't really shined in the postseason yet.

I think they beat the Patriots. I just can't imagine they'd lose at home to an inferior team when they haven't lost at home all season...and not learn a thing from last year.

If I played Madden on "Pro" I'm not sure I could win with New England's receivers. If Manning can't beat them at home this year...with Vinatieri on his side...I don't know what to say.

But NO or Chicago would be tough for the Colts. He could very well do just what you described (win Sunday but lose in Miami).

 

[buck naked]

I have a hard time calling Manning the best ever, with or without a Super Bowl to his name. While he is the best QB in the game today, Marino and Montana in their primes were extraordinary. People easily forget the past and focus on the present when it comes to these things.

With that said, go Colts. I hope he wins one just so all this talk about him being a choker can end. He is great at what HE does. He can't play defensive tackle and stop the run.

 

[-OZ-]

But really-- he's been choking the entire playoffs. The defense has saved his butt twice now. That's more than fair, of course-- they wouldn't be anywhere near the playoffs without him. But he hasn't really shined in the postseason yet.

This is a very good point. Has Manning played differently this year than previous? If the defense hadn't stopped Larry Johnson, and had Green not been totally inempt, the Colts wouldn't have made it out of that game.As you said though, it's only fair that the D carry the load a couple games, but if Manning doesn't come around soon, even if the Colts win the Super Bowl, he might be looked at for these playoffs, like many look at Roethlisberger last year. For just these couple games, you could have replaced Manning with any average QB and the Colts still would have won.

 

[nygiants56]

I dunno, 3 billion people watching wordlwide, all the press clippings, the media day interviews, it all might be too overwhelming for Manning..he could win in the comfort of the RCA-Dome, but lose the big one in two weeks..

I could see him falling to pieces in the SB..but no matter what happens, if he gets there, he'll erase much of the choker tag that has followed him up to this point..he will vindicate himself if he wins today.

but if he loses today.........

 

[Sweeper]

At this point in Peyton's career as well as for the Colts orginization, I think there is only one acceptable outcome. A Super Bowl Win.

Anything less IMO will be placed squarely on the shoulders of Manning.

The Colts orginization has delivered the opportunity to win (or at least get to) the Super Bowl but he has always been "un-Peyton-like" in his inability to put the big game away.

I will give him credit. He learns from his mistakes and always seems surpass the hurdle that got him down the year before. Considering that, he has never been this far (and in this big of a game) and I think this is going to be the road block that stops him this season.

 

[Sweeper]

If he wins this Super Bowl, I don't think it matters which team he beats. There will be some naysayers, sure, but they'll just be grasping at straws and won't be worth taking seriously. Bottom line is he's two wins away from exorcising the demons.

Yes but you say that like those two games are v. The Raiders and the Texans. But they are two playoff games. Big games at that. Can we at least agree that Peyton has not composed himself as well in the playoffs as he has in the regular season? He has proven to be a great regular season QB. The proof is in the puddin' and Peyton has yet to prove himself. Actually that is misleading and that comment suggests that he has no experience. He has proven himself ... proven that he is unable to pull out that big win and make that game winning decision. He has a lot to prove and a lot to play for. In addtion to the super bowl, he is playing to prove that he can win and IMO, the odds are against him. History is against him.

 

[Peyton Marino]

I really really want to see him win one.

 

[Mad Strategist]

BUMP

 

[Widbil83]

Well, hes over his Brady hump and has 2 weeks to think about how he is going to choke against the Bears.

 

[Buckna]

After watching the Bears today, I'm not so sure that AFC is the lock to win as I thought it was. That defense is dang good.

For Indy to win, their defense is really going to have step it up and create some turnovers. I see Manning and company in for a long game as the Bears run the ball over and over again and keep the Colts offense off the field. I also envision Peyton with a rough stat line that will add more fuel to the fire that he is choker, but to be honest, I don't think any QB would put up great stats against that Bears D.

The key, IMHO, to the game will be creating turnovers for the Colts and minimizing their own, and can the Colts D stop the run. The Colts offense is going to need to score on every posession they can, because I don't think they are going to have many to work with.

 

[Gamblor]

If I played Madden on "Pro" I'm not sure I could win with New England's receivers. If Manning can't beat them at home this year...with Vinatieri on his side...I don't know what to say.

Are you really comparing your Madden play to the actual game?