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The Promise Of American Life Has Been Dealt A Lamentable Blow (1 Viewer)

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http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/12/tnr-veterans-protest-hughes-destruction-199613.html

Three former editors of The New Republic -- Hendrik Hertzberg, Peter Beinart and Andrew Sullivan -- have joined more than a dozen of their fellow TNR veterans in protesting the "destruction" of the magazine at the hands of owner Chris Hughes.

"As former editors and writers for The New Republic, we write to express our dismay and sorrow at its destruction in all but name," the editors and their former colleagues wrote in a statement, released Friday evening.

"From its founding in 1914, The New Republic has been the flagship and forum of American liberalism. Its reporting and commentary on politics, society, and arts and letters have nurtured a broad liberal spirit in our national life," the statement continues. "The magazine’s present owner and managers claim they are giving it new relevance while remaining true to its century-old mission. Instead, they seem determined to strip it of the intellectual, literary, and political commitments that have been its essence and meaning. Their pronouncements suggest that they hold those commitments in contempt."

(Also on POLITICO: End of a D.C. institution)

The letter comes one day after a shakeup that saw the resignation of top editor Franklin Foer and veteran literary editor Leon Wieseltier, both of whom resigned due to differences of vision with Hughes, a 31-year-old Facebook co-founder who bought the magazine in 2012. On Friday morning, more than two dozen of the magazine's senior and contributing editors quit the magazine en masse in protest.

Hughes now plans to move the magazine to New York and rebrand it as a "digital media company," a move that caused widespread outrage and confusion among the Washington-New York media establishment and the magazine's loyal readership.

"The New Republic cannot be merely a 'brand.' It has never been and cannot be a 'media company' that markets 'content,'" the former editors and staffers wrote in their statement. "Its essays, criticism, reportage, and poetry are not “product.” It is not, or not primarily, a business. It is a voice, even a cause. It has lasted through numerous transformations of the 'media landscape'—transformations that, far from rendering its work obsolete, have made that work ever more valuable."

(Also on POLITICO: After shake-up, New Republic staffers resign en masse)

"The New Republic is a kind of public trust," they continued. "That is something all its previous owners and publishers understood and respected. The legacy has now been trashed, the trust violated. It is a sad irony that at this perilous moment, with a reactionary variant of conservatism in the ascendancy, liberalism’s central journal should be scuttled with flagrant and frivolous abandon. The promise of American life has been dealt a lamentable blow."

The signers of the statement are: Peter Beinart (Editor), Sidney Blumenthal (Senior editor), Jonathan Chait (Senior editor), David Grann (Senior editor), David Greenberg (Acting editor), Hendrik Hertzberg (Editor), Ann Hulbert (Senior editor), Robert Kuttner (Economics editor), Robert B. Reich (Contributing editor), Jeffrey Rosen (Legal editor), Peter Scoblic (Executive editor), Evan Smith (Deputy editor), Joan Stapleton Tooley (Publisher), Paul Starr (Contributing editor) , Ronald Steel (Contributing editor), Andrew Sullivan (Editor), Margaret Talbot (Executive editor),Dorothy Wickenden (Executive editor), Sean Wilentz (Contributing editor), and Katherine Marsh (Managing Editor).

I love the bolded.

I think WFB would make great sport of these lines.

Oh my God. - RA

 
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This is good news. Maybe next on the list can be MSNBC, HuffPo or the Daily Kos. Even better would be the DNC owned NY Times.

 
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Self Important? Check.

Out of Touch? Check.

Hyperbolic? Check.

Sounds about right for a pompous liberal group of media members.

 
Self Important? Check.

Out of Touch? Check.

Hyperbolic? Check.

Sounds about right for a pompous liberal group of media members.
:goodposting:

They act like there is no other media outlets around with a far left liberal POV. Jesus H. Christ, the media is 98.735% fookin' liberal, and these morons are whining like a bunch of babies.

 
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Self Important? Check.

Out of Touch? Check.

Hyperbolic? Check.

Sounds about right for a pompous liberal group of media members.
:goodposting:

They act like there is no other media outlets around with a far left liberal POV. Jesus H. Christ, the media is 98.735% fookin' liberal, and these morons are whining like a bunch of babies.
Last i checked talk radio was dominated by right wing blowhards. Fox News was the most watched cable news network. The Wall Street journal was the most read national newspaper. (Could be wrong now, maybe USA Today?) Also is their a liberal equivalent to Drudge for online views? I don't think so.How exactly are the liberals dominating the news media outlets?

 
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Self Important? Check.

Out of Touch? Check.

Hyperbolic? Check.

Sounds about right for a pompous liberal group of media members.
:goodposting:

They act like there is no other media outlets around with a far left liberal POV. Jesus H. Christ, the media is 98.735% fookin' liberal, and these morons are whining like a bunch of babies.
Last i checked talk radio was dominated by right wing blowhards. Fox News was the most watched cable news network. The Wall Street journal was the most read national newspaper. (Could be wrong now, maybe USA Today?)How exactly are the liberals dominating the news media outlets?
most watched? or most outlets? I'm talking outlets, where left wing VASTLY outnumbers the right wing outlets.

The fact that the conservative outlets have more viewers/listeners should tell you something about the crap that's peddled by left-wing outlets. And that's no one really wants to hear the left-wing garbage.

BTW, like Todd Andrews I'm an "independent" if you couldn't tell. :thumbup:

 
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Self Important? Check.

Out of Touch? Check.

Hyperbolic? Check.

Sounds about right for a pompous liberal group of media members.
:goodposting:

They act like there is no other media outlets around with a far left liberal POV. Jesus H. Christ, the media is 98.735% fookin' liberal, and these morons are whining like a bunch of babies.
Last i checked talk radio was dominated by right wing blowhards. Fox News was the most watched cable news network. The Wall Street journal was the most read national newspaper. (Could be wrong now, maybe USA Today?) Also is their a liberal equivalent to Drudge for online views? I don't think so.How exactly are the liberals dominating the news media outlets?
If you count all the other networks as liberal, and then include all the late night hosts as well as Colbert and Stewart, you have your answer.

 
Self Important? Check.

Out of Touch? Check.

Hyperbolic? Check.

Sounds about right for a pompous liberal group of media members.
:goodposting: They act like there is no other media outlets around with a far left liberal POV. Jesus H. Christ, the media is 98.735% fookin' liberal, and these morons are whining like a bunch of babies.
Last i checked talk radio was dominated by right wing blowhards. Fox News was the most watched cable news network. The Wall Street journal was the most read national newspaper. (Could be wrong now, maybe USA Today?)How exactly are the liberals dominating the news media outlets?
most watched? or most outlets? I'm talking outlets, where left wing VASTLY outnumbers the right wing outlets.

The fact that the conservative outlets have more viewers/listeners should tell you something about the crap that's peddled by left-wing outlets. And that's no one really wants to hear the left-wing garbage.

BTW, like Todd Andrews I'm an "independent" if you couldn't tell. :thumbup:
Actually, it tells me that most Americans are too lazy to research facts, and instead feed on sensationalized rhetoric coming from equally uneducated talking heads. America liked Jerry Spinger too.

 
Self Important? Check.

Out of Touch? Check.

Hyperbolic? Check.

Sounds about right for a pompous liberal group of media members.
:goodposting: They act like there is no other media outlets around with a far left liberal POV. Jesus H. Christ, the media is 98.735% fookin' liberal, and these morons are whining like a bunch of babies.
Last i checked talk radio was dominated by right wing blowhards. Fox News was the most watched cable news network. The Wall Street journal was the most read national newspaper. (Could be wrong now, maybe USA Today?)How exactly are the liberals dominating the news media outlets?
most watched? or most outlets? I'm talking outlets, where left wing VASTLY outnumbers the right wing outlets.

The fact that the conservative outlets have more viewers/listeners should tell you something about the crap that's peddled by left-wing outlets. And that's no one really wants to hear the left-wing garbage.

BTW, like Todd Andrews I'm an "independent" if you couldn't tell. :thumbup:
Actually, it tells me that most Americans are too lazy to research facts, and instead feed on sensationalized rhetoric coming from equally uneducated talking heads. America liked Jerry Spinger too.
Jonathan Gruber alias?

And it's this kind of thought process of why liberals got smoked in the election.

 
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Not sure the death of The New Republic and its central position within liberal journalism is being respected here.

Seems like just another battle in the long history of dialectic, especially when the other side is just too ridiculous for even 20 issues every two years...

Oh, wait, self-serious? Noooooooo...

By the way, former TNR subscriber here. The 36 pages that passed for a magazine got to be a joke. I understand both sides in this debate, but let's make some damn sport of it while we can.

Beinart (newbie crap), Sullivan (just credulous crap), Chait (crap personified) all deserve a bit.

Marty Peretz and Leon Wieseltier deserve a little leeway. Loved Leon's columns on the arts, though I'd never understand them.

 
And it's this kind of thought process of why liberals got smoked in the election.
This midterm where democrats lost offices, but liberal policies won everywhere incliding places like Alaska, North Dakota, Arkansas, Nebraska, and South Dakota?
Conservatives were pro-gay marriage and legalized pot for years, you just didn't know it because the lamestream media refused to report it.

 
Self Important? Check.

Out of Touch? Check.

Hyperbolic? Check.

Sounds about right for a pompous liberal group of media members.
:goodposting:

They act like there is no other media outlets around with a far left liberal POV. Jesus H. Christ, the media is 98.735% fookin' liberal, and these morons are whining like a bunch of babies.
Last i checked talk radio was dominated by right wing blowhards. Fox News was the most watched cable news network. The Wall Street journal was the most read national newspaper. (Could be wrong now, maybe USA Today?)How exactly are the liberals dominating the news media outlets?
most watched? or most outlets? I'm talking outlets, where left wing VASTLY outnumbers the right wing outlets.

The fact that the conservative outlets have more viewers/listeners should tell you something about the crap that's peddled by left-wing outlets. And that's no one really wants to hear the left-wing garbage.

BTW, like Todd Andrews I'm an "independent" if you couldn't tell. :thumbup:
Me too. :highfive:

 
And it's this kind of thought process of why liberals got smoked in the election.
This midterm where democrats lost offices, but liberal policies won everywhere incliding places like Alaska, North Dakota, Arkansas, Nebraska, and South Dakota?
Conservatives were pro-gay marriage and legalized pot for years, you just didn't know it because the lamestream media refused to report it.
National Review (in 1972) and Reason were way ahead of the curve in legalized pot. Gay marriage is new to even the centralist centrality of liberal political journorags. Wouldn't be surprised if some guy at NR had supported it in print before TNR.

Sorry about the pot. Move along.

 
Self Important? Check.

Out of Touch? Check.

Hyperbolic? Check.

Sounds about right for a pompous liberal group of media members.
:goodposting:

They act like there is no other media outlets around with a far left liberal POV. Jesus H. Christ, the media is 98.735% fookin' liberal, and these morons are whining like a bunch of babies.
Last i checked talk radio was dominated by right wing blowhards. Fox News was the most watched cable news network. The Wall Street journal was the most read national newspaper. (Could be wrong now, maybe USA Today?) Also is their a liberal equivalent to Drudge for online views? I don't think so.How exactly are the liberals dominating the news media outlets?
If you count all the other networks as liberal, and then include all the late night hosts as well as Colbert and Stewart, you have your answer.
Colbert and Stewart are entertainment, not straight news.

 
Self Important? Check.

Out of Touch? Check.

Hyperbolic? Check.

Sounds about right for a pompous liberal group of media members.
:goodposting:

They act like there is no other media outlets around with a far left liberal POV. Jesus H. Christ, the media is 98.735% fookin' liberal, and these morons are whining like a bunch of babies.
Last i checked talk radio was dominated by right wing blowhards. Fox News was the most watched cable news network. The Wall Street journal was the most read national newspaper. (Could be wrong now, maybe USA Today?) Also is their a liberal equivalent to Drudge for online views? I don't think so.How exactly are the liberals dominating the news media outlets?
If you count all the other networks as liberal, and then include all the late night hosts as well as Colbert and Stewart, you have your answer.
Colbert and Stewart are entertainment, not straight news.
They are liberal and they work in the media. Therefore, they're the liberal media.

 
"The promise of American life has been dealt a lamentable blow."

It doesn't…it doesn't get more breathtaking than that. A print journal folds, and that's their own official response. Holy ####. You can almost read Andrew Sullivan's breathlessness and hyperbole in that line.

If I had to guess, I'd say, "Holy ####, this must be Sullivan. Nobody else could pen that line and be so ####### cluelessly unself-aware, could they?"

And I haven't read a word anywhere else of criticism of the line like the one I'm offering, so this isn't INFOWARS stuff (thanks again to tGunZ. I love that phrase). This sort of self-absorbed and self-important journo stuff jumps off the page. They really are this serious about themselves and their "mission."

:doh:

 
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Not sure the death of The New Republic and its central position within liberal journalism is being respected here.

Seems like just another battle in the long history of dialectic, especially when the other side is just too ridiculous for even 20 issues every two years...

Oh, wait, self-serious? Noooooooo...

By the way, former TNR subscriber here. The 36 pages that passed for a magazine got to be a joke. I understand both sides in this debate, but let's make some damn sport of it while we can.

Beinart (newbie crap), Sullivan (just credulous crap), Chait (crap personified) all deserve a bit.

Marty Peretz and Leon Wieseltier deserve a little leeway. Loved Leon's columns on the arts, though I'd never understand them.
Same boat here rockaction - loved reading TNR a long time ago. At around the Sullivan time frame it just got to fragmented and Peretz just went overboard on the Israel stances. They used to hold down the left side of Israeli stories and after a while it seemed to become a PR place for Netanyahu and the settlement freaks.

 
Not sure the death of The New Republic and its central position within liberal journalism is being respected here.

Seems like just another battle in the long history of dialectic, especially when the other side is just too ridiculous for even 20 issues every two years...

Oh, wait, self-serious? Noooooooo...

By the way, former TNR subscriber here. The 36 pages that passed for a magazine got to be a joke. I understand both sides in this debate, but let's make some damn sport of it while we can.

Beinart (newbie crap), Sullivan (just credulous crap), Chait (crap personified) all deserve a bit.

Marty Peretz and Leon Wieseltier deserve a little leeway. Loved Leon's columns on the arts, though I'd never understand them.
Same boat here rockaction - loved reading TNR a long time ago. At around the Sullivan time frame it just got to fragmented and Peretz just went overboard on the Israel stances. They used to hold down the left side of Israeli stories and after a while it seemed to become a PR place for Netanyahu and the settlement freaks.
I'm actually pretty pro-Israel, which should not come as a surprise to those who are familiar with the '90s/'00s conservative movement, so to speak. This also may be why conservatives are circling the wagons around poor Franklin Foer and Leon Wieseltier, who would do them no such service in return. If this falls into the Hayes brigade, expect a lot more pro-Palestine stuff. It's a growing demographic, and a fomented intellectual position on the left these days. I'd bet a damn good dollar on it if I had cash to burn.

Sullivan I can take, leave, leave, or leave. Somewhere besides anywhere near public discourse. It could have been one of the others who penned that abomination that is the title thread, but I'd bet a good bit he wrote that line about "The Promise Of American Life." It's post-Gipper enthusiastic, and infused with a dip####ty communitarian (yet with individual ramifications!) self-importance that seems only he can bring to bear. He did liken these resignations to a "pre-emptive suicide."

My take on the whole thing is really more the statement and how seriously journalism takes itself. I get that reporting facts and the news is serious, it's just that the statement they issued is really hyperbolic. I get there's a chain reaction to the whole "intellectual journalist shapes policy" thing and that newsmags and Sunday shows set the tone for the week's or month's or year's debates, and that this policy has a lot to do with the American dream, but likening yourself to the American Dream is a bit sacrosanct. My conservative temperament comes to bear here: It's overstated, and probably a little hubristic.

 
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TNR used to be my favorite magazine. Then it got pretty dramatically dumbed-down a few years ago and I let my subscription lapse. Kind of sad that they're completely abandoning its mission now.

 
TNR used to be my favorite magazine. Then it got pretty dramatically dumbed-down a few years ago and I let my subscription lapse. Kind of sad that they're completely abandoning its mission now.
Hughes now plans to move the magazine to New York and rebrand it as a "digital media company,"
It has lasted through numerous transformations of the 'media landscape'—transformations that, far from rendering its work obsolete, have made that work ever more valuable.
I might have a slightly different take on this. What I see is a story that has become very familiar, the transformation from being print oriented to digital. This has gone on several places and in my opinion it's often not good for journalism. We know there will always be liberal journalism, and in fact IMO we want that, we need voices calling out different views on things from all quarters in all situations. What's lost here is quality and depth (and dare I say, intellectualism). I also think something is lost in terms of reach because print has a space inside people's minds, homes and lives that digital cannot replace. This is a very minority view these days but I do agree that loyal readers who have been gradually more and more disappointed will continue to be even more so.

From its founding in 1914 ... The legacy has now been trashed...
Newspapers and magazines this old do have legacies, and actually I'm not a reader of TNR but I know it has been well respected in the past and I'm guessing this prediction will prove to be true. I also don't think the business model that the Facebook guy thinks will succeed will in fact do so, but instead he will be very surprised how important the old medium and the depth that came with it was important to its bottom line.

 
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I don't know that is inevitable so much as a current deep trend. What happens is corporations go digital partly because of costs, they believe content is either free or cheap, so the cut staff, cut investment in investigations and travel and out of pocket costs, and they cut back on the talent and the salaries of who is left. The premise is also that users will be linking via social media, and content becomes what generates clicks and not quality.

 
TNR used to be my favorite magazine. Then it got pretty dramatically dumbed-down a few years ago and I let my subscription lapse. Kind of sad that they're completely abandoning its mission now.
But Rolling Stone has taken it over.

Oh, hoo boy, can't make enough fun of Sullivan and Glass.

Oh boy. Glass? Get it? Ay yi yi.

I'm sorry. I can't help it.

:clearsthroat: and I agree with you, sir.

 
I don't know that is inevitable so much as a current deep trend. What happens is corporations go digital partly because of costs, they believe content is either free or cheap, so the cut staff, cut investment in investigations and travel and out of pocket costs, and they cut back on the talent and the salaries of who is left. The premise is also that users will be linking via social media, and content becomes what generates clicks and not quality.
From MT's favorite. McArdle on exactly what you're talking about, SID.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-05/tech-moguls-and-the-tnr-meltdown

 
most watched? or most outlets? I'm talking outlets, where left wing VASTLY outnumbers the right wing outlets.

The fact that the conservative outlets have more viewers/listeners should tell you something about the crap that's peddled by left-wing outlets. And that's no one really wants to hear the left-wing garbage.
I don't know that I agree with this.

Your average "liberal" tends to be younger, more tech-savvy than your average "conservative". Media today is so fragmented. Young people don't get their news exclusively from television or radio anymore - but a lot of the older crowd does. Conservative talk radio is huge because - surprise - the only diehard radio listeners are old people. Liberal internet journalism/blogging/whatever seems to have a strong foothold because - surprise - young people are far more likely to get their news that way. That's not a knock on older/younger generations, it just is what it is.

Radio and television by their natures are not nearly as fragmented as the internet. And you've got 1 group that gathers most of its information from the internet, and 1 group that gathers much of its information from radio/TV news. It's not a surprise that content creators gravitate towards the media that reaches their target audience. Whereas 5 liberal people (and I hate classifying people into these small boxes) might check out 5 different liberal websites for news, the 5 conservative news-seekers just turn on Hannity or O'Reilly.

 
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most watched? or most outlets? I'm talking outlets, where left wing VASTLY outnumbers the right wing outlets.

The fact that the conservative outlets have more viewers/listeners should tell you something about the crap that's peddled by left-wing outlets. And that's no one really wants to hear the left-wing garbage.
I don't know that I agree with this.

Your average "liberal" tends to be younger, more tech-savvy than your average "conservative". Media today is so fragmented. Young people don't get their news exclusively from television or radio anymore - but a lot of the older crowd does. Conservative talk radio is huge because - surprise - the only diehard radio listeners are old people. Liberal internet journalism/blogging/whatever seems to have a strong foothold because - surprise - young people are far more likely to get their news that way. That's not a knock on older/younger generations, it just is what it is.

Radio and television by their natures are not nearly as fragmented as the internet. And you've got 1 group that gathers most of its information from the internet, and 1 group that gathers much of its information from radio/TV news. It's not a surprise that content creators gravitate towards the media that reaches their target audience. Whereas 5 liberal people (and I hate classifying people into these small boxes) might check out 5 different liberal websites for news, the 5 conservative news-seekers just turn on Hannity or O'Reilly.
I vehemently disagree. You've got to split radio and TV news. You're forgetting that the networks, almost unanimously decried as liberal by conservatives since Cronkite's doddering ramblings about the Vietnam War, had a stranglehold on traditional media for many years until talk radio was sought out (or found) by conservative constituents. Don't forget how new and even politically gauche talk radio was because of this. Now, it is a strength for conservatives.

In addition, I'll make a prediction. What was once Howard Dean's and Joe Trippi's strength will be their weakness in ten years. These days, the blogosphere provides the conservative antidote to print journalism. Don't forget, the best "blogs," before they turned leftward, were largely conservative back in the aughts. Blogs both freed and personalized the voices of the writers behind print media, but they also allowed them to be more conservative than the Time/Newsweek paradigm. What Democrats did in the early aughts was use the social media aspect of the internet to produce advocacy content , fundraise, and conduct psychological research on voters. But in time, it'll all be the same. News will decentralize and fragment, but it won't be because each base can't use a PC, and it'll likely lead to either reforms to centralize the information itself, or it'll be a normative instructional for budding con/libertarians. Just my two cents.

eta* By the way, my "vehemently disagree[ing]" is not ill-tempered. Thanks for your comment. I get what you're saying. I hope you take the long response as a compliment.

 
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TNR used to be my favorite magazine. Then it got pretty dramatically dumbed-down a few years ago and I let my subscription lapse. Kind of sad that they're completely abandoning its mission now.
Boy you must be some flaming liberal, Ivan, according to some of the previous posts.

I know that isn't the case. I believe some pups are confusing liberal with liberalism.

 
I don't know that is inevitable so much as a current deep trend. What happens is corporations go digital partly because of costs, they believe content is either free or cheap, so the cut staff, cut investment in investigations and travel and out of pocket costs, and they cut back on the talent and the salaries of who is left. The premise is also that users will be linking via social media, and content becomes what generates clicks and not quality.
From MT's favorite. McArdle on exactly what you're talking about, SID.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-05/tech-moguls-and-the-tnr-meltdown
Thanks, good stuff.

So the new moguls now learn another key difference about the media business: You are always being closely watched, so communications, and effective crisis management, are supremely important. A spectacular HR crisis translates more directly into loss of reputation, and sales, than it does almost anywhere else.
We've already been through this rodeo here in NO. The 150+ year old Times-Picayune went digital a couple years back and the HR situation was a disaster as well, they had their print market scooped up by an entrepreneur and ever since they have been scrambling. I think Mr. Facebook may just be surprised by just how loyal to the actual writers the readers can be as well. They will likely just get a new paper mag to put on their coffee tables and in offices and bathrooms and if they have to hit the web for their content they probably already have their favorites there, and they could just stay away out of spite.

 
I don't know that is inevitable so much as a current deep trend. What happens is corporations go digital partly because of costs, they believe content is either free or cheap, so the cut staff, cut investment in investigations and travel and out of pocket costs, and they cut back on the talent and the salaries of who is left. The premise is also that users will be linking via social media, and content becomes what generates clicks and not quality.
From MT's favorite. McArdle on exactly what you're talking about, SID.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-05/tech-moguls-and-the-tnr-meltdown
Thanks, good stuff.

So the new moguls now learn another key difference about the media business: You are always being closely watched, so communications, and effective crisis management, are supremely important. A spectacular HR crisis translates more directly into loss of reputation, and sales, than it does almost anywhere else.
We've already been through this rodeo here in NO. The 150+ year old Times-Picayune went digital a couple years back and the HR situation was a disaster as well, they had their print market scooped up by an entrepreneur and ever since they have been scrambling. I think Mr. Facebook may just be surprised by just how loyal to the actual writers the readers can be as well. They will likely just get a new paper mag to put on their coffee tables and in offices and bathrooms and if they have to hit the web for their content they probably already have their favorites there, and they could just stay away out of spite.
Yeah, no sweat. That was kind of easy to link to because you really kind of nailed it, and I'd read her post a few hours before yours. Figured you'd appreciate it. I think your and her points are interesting. I'd seen it happen with Newsweek and other publications, but it's surprising that Hayes did it to TNR. His intellectual "brand" now stinks, if it didn't before. I was unaware of his background.

Who vets these public intellectuals anymore, anyway? timscochet?

 

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