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***The Real Official 2008 World Series Thread*** (1 Viewer)

Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
Whole Camels said:
game cancelled for tonight... resume play wednesday... too little, too late bud
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This is actually best case scenario for the Phils, because now Hamels could conceivably pitch a Game 7 (assuming it's Friday) on three days rest, should it come to that
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Don't tell him that! You're ruining his sob stories. Or maybe the evil commish will have games 6 and 7 be played as a double header on Thursday so the Phillies won't get this opportunity. Damn that Selig!
 
Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
Whole Camels said:
game cancelled for tonight... resume play wednesday... too little, too late bud
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This is actually best case scenario for the Phils, because now Hamels could conceivably pitch a Game 7 (assuming it's Friday) on three days rest, should it come to that
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Supposedly they are still debating whether to have a travel day on Thursday, which means Game 7 would be Saturday, which would be perfect.
 
Don't forget that the completion of Game 5 will be once again delayed an extra half hour due to a political "infomercial" from Obama :jawdrop: These damn games start late enough as it is.. what happens if bad weather is forcasted again?? I'm sure the players love this, especially since they need to catch a flight to Tampa immediately following the game.. Baseball needs to stop letting FOX and politics dictate stuff that goes against all common sense..

 
There will be a travel day so that can give us some Cole god forbid it goes to a game 7.

But my problem with this whole rain business is that the networks run the leagues, not the commisioners, when it comes to prime time games. Somehow today, Selig got a good weather report that said conditions will be unplayable tonight so he cancelled it around noon. Just a coincidence that Fox has an open night with plenty of programming scheduled? Fox wanted no part of baseball tonight, that's why they forced them to try and play last night, and we got such an early cancel today.

 
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
I gotta give big props to Thunderlips and 4x for the notion of going down to the park to hang in the lot. GREAT atmosphere. Granted, almost entirely brand spanking new red phillies jerseys, but almost the entire tailgates, to a man, were in Phillies garp. Great vibe and I didn't make it in(never planned to) but met up with a buddy and soaked it in. Folks were AMPED for the game and there were an easy 25,000 fans outside the stadium, EASY. The rain was almost a blessing, because the police had almost zero prescence and I think that would have gotten very rowdy, very quickly, had the phils won.
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Cool, sounds like an awesome time. Coming back down for tomorrow's shorty? The party's gonna start even earlier!! :) I talked to a work buddy who went to the stadium not knowing any tailgaters and he wound up partying in somebody's RV with 20 people he just met, said it was the most fun he's ever had (he's only 19). Funny how we probably had more people tailgating in the parking lot, in the rain, during game 5 than Tampa would have had at their parade. :lmao:
 
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4x champ said:
There will be a travel day so that can give us some Cole god forbid it goes to a game 7. But my problem with this whole rain business is that the networks run the leagues, not the commisioners, when it comes to prime time games. Somehow today, Selig got a good weather report that said conditions will be unplayable tonight so he cancelled it around noon. Just a coincidence that Fox has an open night with plenty of programming scheduled? Fox wanted no part of baseball tonight, that's why they forced them to try and play last night, and we got such an early cancel today.
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Is MLB bringing the ratings to justify bumping programming? Haven't heard the numbers. I assume they are horrific.
 
culdeus said:
4x champ said:
There will be a travel day so that can give us some Cole god forbid it goes to a game 7. But my problem with this whole rain business is that the networks run the leagues, not the commisioners, when it comes to prime time games. Somehow today, Selig got a good weather report that said conditions will be unplayable tonight so he cancelled it around noon. Just a coincidence that Fox has an open night with plenty of programming scheduled? Fox wanted no part of baseball tonight, that's why they forced them to try and play last night, and we got such an early cancel today.
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Is MLB bringing the ratings to justify bumping programming?
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Not even a little bit. Which is why it's wrong that two teams were avoiding injuries while playing in a quagmire in a world series game. It shouldn't have even started, at least stopped alot earlier.
 
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Weather guy just said the rain will stop but it's going to be windy and cold tonight. Wind chills around 20 degrees with gusts up to 40mph. It won't be too much warmer tomorrow night but there will be alot less wind.

 
I don't really have a dog in this fight as I'm kinda happy that Philadelphia's getting theirs, especially in the wake of Boston's crap.

But LMMFAO at Phillies fans remotely complaining about anything, with that strike zone. You guys were being gift-wrapped opportunities to blow that thing wide open, but couldn't. It was bad. You really don't deserve to have any gripe, so finding excuses about last night's unpredictable weather isn't exactly endearing.

But this might be worse. On three occasions, Rays runners didn't run hard out of the box, or stopped down the line. There is no excuse for that; not in the World Series. Regular season, fine, I guess. But I'll never get that. You are in a position you have worked your entire life for, and you may never be there again. You simply take nothing for granted -- I don't care the odds. Just inexcusable. Not fair to your teammates either.

I'm expecting Stallone to sing the National Anthem... :popcorn: I don't know whether that was Hall or Oates, but he sucked and I'm pretty sure he too forgot the words. Must have the same Doc as Patti LaBelle or whoever. He did forget them, right?

 
Capella said:
I love that some Philly fans actually think Bud had some motivation to do this, like he's wanting TB to win. :lmao:Whole Camels alias - take your meds.
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Of course he had motivation. What was the fall-out of the All-Star game that ended in a tie? People couldn't take it and we actually got the home field advantage rule change from it. What would happen if the deciding game of the world series were rain shortened? Again, people couldn't deal with that scenario even though it is a part of the game. I don't have a dog in the fight but that game should have been delayed after 5 innings, if not earlier. But once "official", would Selig have precedence for a 24 or 48 hour rain delay?He avoided a load of controversy and that seems like plenty of motivation to me
 
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I'm heading back to CBP tomorrow night to watch the Phillies finally win a championship.

It's going to happen.

This team has its flaws, but it is our time.

 
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
I don't really have a dog in this fight as I'm kinda happy that Philadelphia's getting theirs, especially in the wake of Boston's crap.But LMMFAO at Phillies fans remotely complaining about anything, with that strike zone. You guys were being gift-wrapped opportunities to blow that thing wide open, but couldn't. It was bad. You really don't deserve to have any gripe, so finding excuses about last night's unpredictable weather isn't exactly endearing.But this might be worse. On three occasions, Rays runners didn't run hard out of the box, or stopped down the line. There is no excuse for that; not in the World Series. Regular season, fine, I guess. But I'll never get that. You are in a position you have worked your entire life for, and you may never be there again. You simply take nothing for granted -- I don't care the odds. Just inexcusable. Not fair to your teammates either.I'm expecting Stallone to sing the National Anthem... :towelwave: I don't know whether that was Hall or Oates, but he sucked and I'm pretty sure he too forgot the words. Must have the same Doc as Patti LaBelle or whoever. He did forget them, right?
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I had to leave the room when I saw Crawford stop and start again. I was thinking the same thing... it's the ####### World Series and you're down 3-1! The least you can do is run hard to first!
 
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DropKick said:
Capella said:
I love that some Philly fans actually think Bud had some motivation to do this, like he's wanting TB to win. :towelwave:Whole Camels alias - take your meds.
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Of course he had motivation. What was the fall-out of the All-Star game that ended in a tie? People couldn't take it and we actually got the home field advantage rule change from it. What would happen if the deciding game of the world series were rain shortened? Again, people couldn't deal with that scenario even though it is a part of the game. I don't have a dog in the fight but that game should have been delayed after 5 innings, if not earlier. But once "official", would Selig have precedence for a 24 or 48 hour rain delay?He avoided a load of controversy and that seems like plenty of motivation to me
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Furthermore, I don't think for one moment if Tampa were leading in that game 3-2 and it was through 5 or through 6, that we would wait around for 3 days to play 3 more innings. I can see the issue with not wanting to eliminate a team, but if you would have the team ahead 3-1 in the series lose, then you have to wonder about the consistency.
 
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
DropKick said:
Capella said:
I love that some Philly fans actually think Bud had some motivation to do this, like he's wanting TB to win. :lmao:Whole Camels alias - take your meds.
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Of course he had motivation. What was the fall-out of the All-Star game that ended in a tie? People couldn't take it and we actually got the home field advantage rule change from it. What would happen if the deciding game of the world series were rain shortened? Again, people couldn't deal with that scenario even though it is a part of the game. I don't have a dog in the fight but that game should have been delayed after 5 innings, if not earlier. But once "official", would Selig have precedence for a 24 or 48 hour rain delay?He avoided a load of controversy and that seems like plenty of motivation to me
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Furthermore, I don't think for one moment if Tampa were leading in that game 3-2 and it was through 5 or through 6, that we would wait around for 3 days to play 3 more innings. I can see the issue with not wanting to eliminate a team, but if you would have the team ahead 3-1 in the series lose, then you have to wonder about the consistency.
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The GMs, owners and managers were all already notified that the game would go 9 innings no matter prior to the games start.
 
I rest my case

Okay. I have read and read and read and read and read about the the train wreck that was last night. It seems that there are two main problems with what happened.

First, here is the video of Bob DuPuy talking to Chris Myers right after they put the tarp on. If you watch that video, it is very obvious that DuPuy--speaking for Major League Baseball on national TV during their marquee event--had no idea what the plan was. He keeps emphasizing that because the game was tied, they'd be able to suspend it and start on Tuesday (or Wednesday, as it were). From Sheehan's piece:

Having discussed the situation Saturday and yesterday with both Rays president Matt Silverman and Phillies GM Pat Gillick, Selig correctly concluded that the World Series is a special case with special rules.

So there were special rules in place. Silverman, Selig, and Gillick knew about them. But FOX obviously didn't. DuPuy very clearly didn't. The players didn't. The managers didn't. Everyone directly involved in a World Series game did not know the rules which were in place, and nobody in a position to alert the viewing audience in a timely fashion knew either. That is absurd.

Second, if they had this plan in place, why did they play the top of the sixth? That was not baseball. Hamels couldn't throw a curveball (Stark reported this on OTL, but check the Gameday; no curves in the 6th). Rollins couldn't field a ground ball. It's a wonder that Upton made it all the way around the bases without falling over. Burrell couldn't make a decent throw to the plate. Okay, maybe that last thing isn't so rare. But still, it is mind boggling that they played under those conditions with a clearly superior contingency plan in place.

Even worse, the Rays batted one more time in these conditions that the Phillies did. That was the whole point of the old rule (changed last year), where the score reverted back to the last full inning; if the weather is bad, both teams had to suffer equally. It's pretty obvious that the Rays benefited from this, allowing them to tie an elimination game in the World Series because baseball has an incompetent commissioner.
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Whole Camels said:
I rest my case

Okay. I have read and read and read and read and read about the the train wreck that was last night. It seems that there are two main problems with what happened.

First, here is the video of Bob DuPuy talking to Chris Myers right after they put the tarp on. If you watch that video, it is very obvious that DuPuy--speaking for Major League Baseball on national TV during their marquee event--had no idea what the plan was. He keeps emphasizing that because the game was tied, they'd be able to suspend it and start on Tuesday (or Wednesday, as it were). From Sheehan's piece:

Having discussed the situation Saturday and yesterday with both Rays president Matt Silverman and Phillies GM Pat Gillick, Selig correctly concluded that the World Series is a special case with special rules.

So there were special rules in place. Silverman, Selig, and Gillick knew about them. But FOX obviously didn't. DuPuy very clearly didn't. The players didn't. The managers didn't. Everyone directly involved in a World Series game did not know the rules which were in place, and nobody in a position to alert the viewing audience in a timely fashion knew either. That is absurd.

Second, if they had this plan in place, why did they play the top of the sixth? That was not baseball. Hamels couldn't throw a curveball (Stark reported this on OTL, but check the Gameday; no curves in the 6th). Rollins couldn't field a ground ball. It's a wonder that Upton made it all the way around the bases without falling over. Burrell couldn't make a decent throw to the plate. Okay, maybe that last thing isn't so rare. But still, it is mind boggling that they played under those conditions with a clearly superior contingency plan in place.

Even worse, the Rays batted one more time in these conditions that the Phillies did. That was the whole point of the old rule (changed last year), where the score reverted back to the last full inning; if the weather is bad, both teams had to suffer equally. It's pretty obvious that the Rays benefited from this, allowing them to tie an elimination game in the World Series because baseball has an incompetent commissioner.
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:rolleyes:
 
I'm a Phils fan and want you to stop.....

What's done is done now - I can't wait for this The Bad News Bears in Breaking Training game

 
I'm not going to say that Hamels wasn't at a disadvantage with that typhoon going on while he was trying to pitch. That was a small advantage for the Rays at the time and they did get a run out of it. But now, with a tie game being played tonight.....I think the Phils have a huge advantage in having 12 outs to work with to the Rays 9.

 
Thunderlips said:
I'm not going to say that Hamels wasn't at a disadvantage with that typhoon going on while he was trying to pitch. That was a small advantage for the Rays at the time and they did get a run out of it. But now, with a tie game being played tonight.....I think the Phils have a huge advantage in having 12 outs to work with to the Rays 9.
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:hophead:
 
Well, back to the midgame strategy...

So Balfour is in, bottom six, Hamels spot up.

So the obvious move is to pinch hit, but who? Price seemed obvious, but the pitcher bats 4th in the inning for TB, so unless you double switch a big stick out, you probably not going to Price for the 6th.

If Cholly goes to Dobbs or Stairs, you'd have to think you see Miller or Howell, then hope he can navigate Rollins and Werth to get to the lefties. Or do you come out in the shutdown sprint and throw your best pitcher?

This is pretty unique and should be exciting. And iif the game gets banged tonight, which you'd have to figure is 50/50 right now, Philly can't complain at all, as Hamels would be able to go on regular rest on Saturday, if necessary.

I feel like Philly will come out of the gate pretty hyped to win a 3 inning game at home.

 
My Guess: Jenkins bats for Hamels (save Dobbs for when there are runners in scoring position, and save Stairs for a hard throwing righty late); Howell comes in for Eddie Belfour once Jenkins is announced and pitches until the leftys come up, or it is his turn to bat.

 
Whole Camels said:
I rest my case

Okay. I have read and read and read and read and read about the the train wreck that was last night. It seems that there are two main problems with what happened.

First, here is the video of Bob DuPuy talking to Chris Myers right after they put the tarp on. If you watch that video, it is very obvious that DuPuy--speaking for Major League Baseball on national TV during their marquee event--had no idea what the plan was. He keeps emphasizing that because the game was tied, they'd be able to suspend it and start on Tuesday (or Wednesday, as it were). From Sheehan's piece:

Having discussed the situation Saturday and yesterday with both Rays president Matt Silverman and Phillies GM Pat Gillick, Selig correctly concluded that the World Series is a special case with special rules.

So there were special rules in place. Silverman, Selig, and Gillick knew about them. But FOX obviously didn't. DuPuy very clearly didn't. The players didn't. The managers didn't. Everyone directly involved in a World Series game did not know the rules which were in place, and nobody in a position to alert the viewing audience in a timely fashion knew either. That is absurd.

Second, if they had this plan in place, why did they play the top of the sixth? That was not baseball. Hamels couldn't throw a curveball (Stark reported this on OTL, but check the Gameday; no curves in the 6th). Rollins couldn't field a ground ball. It's a wonder that Upton made it all the way around the bases without falling over. Burrell couldn't make a decent throw to the plate. Okay, maybe that last thing isn't so rare. But still, it is mind boggling that they played under those conditions with a clearly superior contingency plan in place.

Even worse, the Rays batted one more time in these conditions that the Phillies did. That was the whole point of the old rule (changed last year), where the score reverted back to the last full inning; if the weather is bad, both teams had to suffer equally. It's pretty obvious that the Rays benefited from this, allowing them to tie an elimination game in the World Series because baseball has an incompetent commissioner.
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Strike zone.
 
Thunderlips said:
I'm not going to say that Hamels wasn't at a disadvantage with that typhoon going on while he was trying to pitch. That was a small advantage for the Rays at the time and they did get a run out of it. But now, with a tie game being played tonight.....I think the Phils have a huge advantage in having 12 outs to work with to the Rays 9.
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You would think with all the problems Hamels was having gripping the ball, he would have attempted to get the umps to suspend the game? Also, do Philly fans really believe that the infield had no effect on Upton's ability to steal 2nd or round the corner to the plate? This notion that the Rays "got a run" because of the weather is an unacceptable excuse. You simply cannot say that the Rays wouldn't have scored a run in that inning under normal conditions.
 
This is from BP Blog... if there's any truth to this it really has been a Coledamned consipracy all along.

I’m told that MLB officials put forward the idea of moving Game Five’s conclusion to Tampa on Wednesday with the intention of playing out Game Five and, if necessary, starting Game Six. The idea was quashed by both the Phillies and Fox.
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Good news is that they WONT be stopping beer sales after the 7th inning. :goodposting:
 
fred_1_15301 said:
Thunderlips said:
I'm not going to say that Hamels wasn't at a disadvantage with that typhoon going on while he was trying to pitch. That was a small advantage for the Rays at the time and they did get a run out of it. But now, with a tie game being played tonight.....I think the Phils have a huge advantage in having 12 outs to work with to the Rays 9.
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You would think with all the problems Hamels was having gripping the ball, he would have attempted to get the umps to suspend the game? Also, do Philly fans really believe that the infield had no effect on Upton's ability to steal 2nd or round the corner to the plate? This notion that the Rays "got a run" because of the weather is an unacceptable excuse. You simply cannot say that the Rays wouldn't have scored a run in that inning under normal conditions.
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True but I believe/think that Rollins fields Uptons ball in normal conditions and he doesn't reach base but I'm over it now anyway. Just start this freaking thing tonight.Let's wait until it's the possibly coldest time to start though :goodposting:

 
fred_1_15301 said:
Thunderlips said:
I'm not going to say that Hamels wasn't at a disadvantage with that typhoon going on while he was trying to pitch. That was a small advantage for the Rays at the time and they did get a run out of it. But now, with a tie game being played tonight.....I think the Phils have a huge advantage in having 12 outs to work with to the Rays 9.
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You would think with all the problems Hamels was having gripping the ball, he would have attempted to get the umps to suspend the game? Also, do Philly fans really believe that the infield had no effect on Upton's ability to steal 2nd or round the corner to the plate? This notion that the Rays "got a run" because of the weather is an unacceptable excuse. You simply cannot say that the Rays wouldn't have scored a run in that inning under normal conditions.
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You ever pitch before? ....and point me to where I said that the Ray's wouldn't have scored a run in that inning under normal conditions?
 
Whole Camels said:
This is from BP Blog... if there's any truth to this it really has been a Coledamned consipracy all along.

I’m told that MLB officials put forward the idea of moving Game Five’s conclusion to Tampa on Wednesday with the intention of playing out Game Five and, if necessary, starting Game Six. The idea was quashed by both the Phillies and Fox.
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Good news is that they WONT be stopping beer sales after the 7th inning. :rolleyes:
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WTF is that about? Selig can't possibly be that ####### stupid? I would think he would want to finish the game in Milwaukee before Tampa Bay. The MLB offices would've had a riot on their hands if they made that decision to finish this game anywhere other than South Philly.
 
Sonny - I agree. Guy is going to have a city block named after him here one day.

People here love him.

 
Delaying the game was the best move.... GREAT START :goodposting:

I like Maddon , he has family in the Philly area..

 
#### --- I knew that was happening - I didn't like Madson starting this

 
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What's up with the robocall I just got that said that Obama thing was playing over the first five and a half innings of this game?

 
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