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The real value of Ward - discuss (1 Viewer)

Judge Smails

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OK, so Brandon Jacobs is out a minimum of 3 weeks. If he's gone for the year, then obviously Ward's value goes through the roof. He looked solid, albeit against a Dallas D which looked horrid.

Let's say Jacobs does come back in 3 weeks. Does he automatically get his job back, or does this become a RBBC? With the Giants D being porous, will Ward be brought in anyway for passing downs more frequently? I would assume Jacobs would still get all goal line work, so TD's may be low. Really trying to assess his value going forward, as I'm sure bidding wars will ensue this week for teams hardup for RB's..Giant homers - I know the organization likes Ward's potential when healthy, but any chance he beats Jacobs out of the job if both are healthy?

 
OK, so Brandon Jacobs is out a minimum of 3 weeks. If he's gone for the year, then obviously Ward's value goes through the roof. He looked solid, albeit against a Dallas D which looked horrid. Let's say Jacobs does come back in 3 weeks. Does he automatically get his job back, or does this become a RBBC? With the Giants D being porous, will Ward be brought in anyway for passing downs more frequently? I would assume Jacobs would still get all goal line work, so TD's may be low. Really trying to assess his value going forward, as I'm sure bidding wars will ensue this week for teams hardup for RB's..Giant homers - I know the organization likes Ward's potential when healthy, but any chance he beats Jacobs out of the job if both are healthy?
I am probably going to bid 499 of my 500 chips...
 
OK, so Brandon Jacobs is out a minimum of 3 weeks. If he's gone for the year, then obviously Ward's value goes through the roof. He looked solid, albeit against a Dallas D which looked horrid. Let's say Jacobs does come back in 3 weeks. Does he automatically get his job back, or does this become a RBBC? With the Giants D being porous, will Ward be brought in anyway for passing downs more frequently? I would assume Jacobs would still get all goal line work, so TD's may be low. Really trying to assess his value going forward, as I'm sure bidding wars will ensue this week for teams hardup for RB's..Giant homers - I know the organization likes Ward's potential when healthy, but any chance he beats Jacobs out of the job if both are healthy?
I don't think NY will be in any hurry to bring him back in 3 weeks..I say 5 weeks..then he will be put in slowly splitting carries for 2 games..then next game happens to be week 9 a bye..he plays full game week 10 (Dallas again).Can get possible 5 games out of him before playoffs. Ward is a great pickup if not taken already!
 
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i don't really understand why the giants went out and got Droughns if they didn't intend him to backup Jacobs? Droughns is an accomplished RB who ran for 1000+ yards in Cleveland (knock it all you want, it's an accomplishment!). instead, they tell him to gain weight and go back to playing fullback and use derrick ward as the backup. Ward has been oft-injured and hasn't had much of a chance to do anything in the NFL.

Ward had a nice game yesterday against Dallas, which is why he's going to get action these next few weeks. But why not get Droughns involved as the veteran RB?

 
OK, so Brandon Jacobs is out a minimum of 3 weeks. If he's gone for the year, then obviously Ward's value goes through the roof. He looked solid, albeit against a Dallas D which looked horrid. Let's say Jacobs does come back in 3 weeks. Does he automatically get his job back, or does this become a RBBC? With the Giants D being porous, will Ward be brought in anyway for passing downs more frequently? I would assume Jacobs would still get all goal line work, so TD's may be low. Really trying to assess his value going forward, as I'm sure bidding wars will ensue this week for teams hardup for RB's..Giant homers - I know the organization likes Ward's potential when healthy, but any chance he beats Jacobs out of the job if both are healthy?
I am probably going to bid 499 of my 500 chips...
I had him on my PS and didnt know it. I had him or IR last season. I logged on to my league and saw it so i had to sign him off the PS ASAP.Sounds like he will go high on the WW..To the OP, Go high and gamble
 
i don't really understand why the giants went out and got Droughns if they didn't intend him to backup Jacobs? Droughns is an accomplished RB who ran for 1000+ yards in Cleveland (knock it all you want, it's an accomplishment!). instead, they tell him to gain weight and go back to playing fullback and use derrick ward as the backup. Ward has been oft-injured and hasn't had much of a chance to do anything in the NFL.Ward had a nice game yesterday against Dallas, which is why he's going to get action these next few weeks. But why not get Droughns involved as the veteran RB?
I know it hurts his value in FF but having a FB thats good BTW and is also capable of being the main half back is a big plus in the real NFL
 
i don't really understand why the giants went out and got Droughns if they didn't intend him to backup Jacobs? Droughns is an accomplished RB who ran for 1000+ yards in Cleveland (knock it all you want, it's an accomplishment!). instead, they tell him to gain weight and go back to playing fullback and use derrick ward as the backup. Ward has been oft-injured and hasn't had much of a chance to do anything in the NFL.Ward had a nice game yesterday against Dallas, which is why he's going to get action these next few weeks. But why not get Droughns involved as the veteran RB?
NY likes Tiki style RB's those two are like Fullbacks all the way. As for Droughns they must of saw something they rather not have as a starter.
 
NY likes Tiki style RB's those two are like Fullbacks all the way. As for Droughns they must of saw something they rather not have as a starter.
then why hold onto him at all? cut him before you have to pay him? here's the quote from giants GM when they brought him in:"Reuben rushed for 1,200 yards in '04 and '05 and 750 last year," Giants general manager Jerry Reese said. "We think he gives us a nice veteran presence and compliments Brandon Jacobs and the rest of our running back group nicely."
 
i don't really understand why the giants went out and got Droughns if they didn't intend him to backup Jacobs? Droughns is an accomplished RB who ran for 1000+ yards in Cleveland (knock it all you want, it's an accomplishment!). instead, they tell him to gain weight and go back to playing fullback and use derrick ward as the backup. Ward has been oft-injured and hasn't had much of a chance to do anything in the NFL.Ward had a nice game yesterday against Dallas, which is why he's going to get action these next few weeks. But why not get Droughns involved as the veteran RB?
NY likes Tiki style RB's those two are like Fullbacks all the way. As for Droughns they must of saw something they rather not have as a starter.
Droughns played FB in Denver. Both Giant FBs got hurt in the preseason so they moved Droughns to FB to learn that positon since Jacobs was clearly "the guy" at RB. Now Droughns can play both RB and FB which is a big plus for the Giants. However, if Jacobs is out for any extended amount of time I fully expect the Giants to go out and pick up a real FB. This way they can move Droughns back to RB and have Droughns and Ward fight it out for the starting RB spot (or go RBBC). Why did Ward come in as #2, this week? Because Droughns was already in the game plan as the starting FB and they have no other real FBs on the roster. If they pick up a FB they can use Droughns in either spot depending upon how long Jacobs is out. Droughns gives them that flexibility. It may not mean much from a fantasy perspective but in the real NFL, its nice to have.
 
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i don't really understand why the giants went out and got Droughns if they didn't intend him to backup Jacobs? Droughns is an accomplished RB who ran for 1000+ yards in Cleveland (knock it all you want, it's an accomplishment!). instead, they tell him to gain weight and go back to playing fullback and use derrick ward as the backup. Ward has been oft-injured and hasn't had much of a chance to do anything in the NFL.Ward had a nice game yesterday against Dallas, which is why he's going to get action these next few weeks. But why not get Droughns involved as the veteran RB?
[TJ Duckett] Yeah - why go grab a veteran RB and not get him on the field?!? It makes zero sense to me - that RB should be playing every down (and certainly not be inactive for games...) [/TJ Duckett]
 
i don't really understand why the giants went out and got Droughns if they didn't intend him to backup Jacobs? Droughns is an accomplished RB who ran for 1000+ yards in Cleveland (knock it all you want, it's an accomplishment!). instead, they tell him to gain weight and go back to playing fullback and use derrick ward as the backup. Ward has been oft-injured and hasn't had much of a chance to do anything in the NFL.Ward had a nice game yesterday against Dallas, which is why he's going to get action these next few weeks. But why not get Droughns involved as the veteran RB?
They got Droughns for peanuts. Why wouldn't they make that move. They gave up Tim Carter right? That guy would have been WR#4/5 if healthy (which he never was).
 
Droughns played FB in Denver. Both Giant FBs got hurt in the preseason so they moved Droughns to FB to learn that positon since Jacobs was clearly "the guy" at RB. Now Droughns can play both RB and FB which is a big plus for the Giants. However, if Jacobs is out for any extended amount of time I fully expect the Giants to go out and pick up a real FB. This way they can move Droughns back to RB and have Droughns and Ward fight it out for the starting RB spot (or go RBBC). Why did Ward come in as #2, this week? Because Droughns was already in the game plan as the starting FB and they have no other real FBs on the roster. If they pick up a FB they can use Droughns in either spot depending upon how long Jacobs is out. Droughns gives them that flexibility. It may not mean much from a fantasy perspective but in the real NFL, its nice to have.
:confused: I can't stress enough that Ward is only the #2 RB because of the FB injury which cause Droughns to be named FB. They can easily find a decent FB out there... If they intended Ward to be #2; he would of had alot more reps in pre-season.Also.. Ward had a ton of running room beacuse Dallas was focusing on the air with their nickle packages.
 
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He's Aaron Stecker lite

He'll give who ever picks him up a solid 3-4 weeks and then vanish back into obscurity for the rest of the season.

 
i don't really understand why the giants went out and got Droughns if they didn't intend him to backup Jacobs? Droughns is an accomplished RB who ran for 1000+ yards in Cleveland (knock it all you want, it's an accomplishment!). instead, they tell him to gain weight and go back to playing fullback and use derrick ward as the backup. Ward has been oft-injured and hasn't had much of a chance to do anything in the NFL.Ward had a nice game yesterday against Dallas, which is why he's going to get action these next few weeks. But why not get Droughns involved as the veteran RB?
Maybe they brought Droughns in with the intention of him being the backup but Ward outplayed him in preseason :XIf thats the case would you really rather them just stick with Droughns???
 
If you had Caddy or Jacobs or have Brown or some other underperforming RB, 3-4 weeks of good performance is worth quite a bit.

 
If you had Caddy or Jacobs or have Brown or some other underperforming RB, 3-4 weeks of good performance is worth quite a bit.
Almost every year I've played in a blind bidding league, it never fails...the first RB who comes available who looks like they may get starts, an owner will blow most of their stack trying to get him. That's why I made the Aaron Stecker analogy...it happened with him like three years in a row. If you're desperate for immediate help, then by all means, do what you have to do...but I'd temper my bid for the guy. The bottom line to me is that when Jacobs comes back, Ward is a backup. And something tells me if people wait a few weeks and let others over bid for Ward, there will probably be a better backup who falls into a better starting situation than this one with Ward in the Giants. If Jacobs was possibly out for the year, it'd be one thing...but all accounts suggest he's not.And that doesn't even factor in that no one knows the role of Reuben Droughns now either.
 
:lol: good posting Bender... Wednesday night; we should post "How Much did Ward go for" thread... like you said; he will be a 2 week wonder
 
i don't really understand why the giants went out and got Droughns if they didn't intend him to backup Jacobs? Droughns is an accomplished RB who ran for 1000+ yards in Cleveland (knock it all you want, it's an accomplishment!). instead, they tell him to gain weight and go back to playing fullback and use derrick ward as the backup. Ward has been oft-injured and hasn't had much of a chance to do anything in the NFL.Ward had a nice game yesterday against Dallas, which is why he's going to get action these next few weeks. But why not get Droughns involved as the veteran RB?
NY likes Tiki style RB's those two are like Fullbacks all the way. As for Droughns they must of saw something they rather not have as a starter.
They lost Jim Finn and then Robert Douglas. Droughns helps the team more at FB than he does at HB which has more depth. Obviously they were confident enough in Ward and Bradshaw to move him.
 
I think Droughns and Ward end up in a RBBC and they get a new FB. If you are in a PPR league, Ward is more valuable and should be targeted.

 
If you had Caddy or Jacobs or have Brown or some other underperforming RB, 3-4 weeks of good performance is worth quite a bit.
Almost every year I've played in a blind bidding league, it never fails...the first RB who comes available who looks like they may get starts, an owner will blow most of their stack trying to get him. That's why I made the Aaron Stecker analogy...it happened with him like three years in a row. If you're desperate for immediate help, then by all means, do what you have to do...but I'd temper my bid for the guy. The bottom line to me is that when Jacobs comes back, Ward is a backup. And something tells me if people wait a few weeks and let others over bid for Ward, there will probably be a better backup who falls into a better starting situation than this one with Ward in the Giants. If Jacobs was possibly out for the year, it'd be one thing...but all accounts suggest he's not.And that doesn't even factor in that no one knows the role of Reuben Droughns now either.
Not sure why a lot need to use BB..saw a lot of posts here that they grabbed him last Thursday under FCFS WW..I did in 2 leagues worth it for a 18th round pick drop. Those who don't pay attention have to use the Blind Bidding!
 
:goodposting: good posting Bender... Wednesday night; we should post "How Much did Ward go for" thread... like you said; he will be a 2 week wonder
Perhaps, but I for one made the playoffs with those couple of weeks out a Stecker a few years ago and I made the playoffs one season because I got a extra 4 points out of the flavor of the week. And Gado. Every now and again a one week wonder turns into Patrick Jeffers. This is a game of inches and a little boost can make a big difference. In many leagues where the cupboard is bare Ward represents extreme value and even if he is a few week filler that may be the difference between making it and not. I would argue that you may be right that there are problems (droughns and such) but I would say that if there weren't any questions the guy wouldn't be waiver wire fodder to begin with. I think Ward has as much chance to be a serious contributor to your team as any other waiver scrub to riches can be.
 
Latest news is 6 weeks out for Jacobs. I can remember years where Dominick Davis appeared out of no where and when Portis first emerged as the back in Denver. So, sometimes it pays to get that first RB who is unexpectantly getting an opportunity to start.

If you had Caddy or Jacobs or have Brown or some other underperforming RB, 3-4 weeks of good performance is worth quite a bit.
Almost every year I've played in a blind bidding league, it never fails...the first RB who comes available who looks like they may get starts, an owner will blow most of their stack trying to get him. That's why I made the Aaron Stecker analogy...it happened with him like three years in a row. If you're desperate for immediate help, then by all means, do what you have to do...but I'd temper my bid for the guy. The bottom line to me is that when Jacobs comes back, Ward is a backup. And something tells me if people wait a few weeks and let others over bid for Ward, there will probably be a better backup who falls into a better starting situation than this one with Ward in the Giants. If Jacobs was possibly out for the year, it'd be one thing...but all accounts suggest he's not.And that doesn't even factor in that no one knows the role of Reuben Droughns now either.
 
i don't really understand why the giants went out and got Droughns if they didn't intend him to backup Jacobs? Droughns is an accomplished RB who ran for 1000+ yards in Cleveland (knock it all you want, it's an accomplishment!). instead, they tell him to gain weight and go back to playing fullback and use derrick ward as the backup. Ward has been oft-injured and hasn't had much of a chance to do anything in the NFL.Ward had a nice game yesterday against Dallas, which is why he's going to get action these next few weeks. But why not get Droughns involved as the veteran RB?
Why? Tom Freaking Coughlin, that's why! :goodposting:
 
Latest news is 6 weeks out for Jacobs.

I can remember years where Dominick Davis appeared out of no where and when Portis first emerged as the back in Denver. So, sometimes it pays to get that first RB who is unexpectantly getting an opportunity to start.

If he is out 6 weeks now..he be back at week 8 and why risk playing him then when week9 is a bye...week 10 back in maybe... also to late to help any team unless your playoff bound!
 
i don't really understand why the giants went out and got Droughns if they didn't intend him to backup Jacobs? Droughns is an accomplished RB who ran for 1000+ yards in Cleveland (knock it all you want, it's an accomplishment!). instead, they tell him to gain weight and go back to playing fullback and use derrick ward as the backup. Ward has been oft-injured and hasn't had much of a chance to do anything in the NFL.Ward had a nice game yesterday against Dallas, which is why he's going to get action these next few weeks. But why not get Droughns involved as the veteran RB?
Tom Coughlin had nothing to do with Reuben Droughns' acquisition. Jerry Reese traded Tim Carter for Droughns, he shops for the ingredients. Coughlin has to cook with what Reese gives him and pretty clearly saw that Ward was the better tailback option day in, day out of practice. Shouldn't be that surprising when you consider that Ward has a true understanding and familiarity with the Giants playbook after a few years on the roster.
 
Ward

huh

what is he good for?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

say it again!

(I don't really believe that, but I found it too entertaining to pass on)

 
Wardhuhwhat is he good for?ABSOLUTELY NOTHINGsay it again!(I don't really believe that, but I found it too entertaining to pass on)
Wave your hands in the air Like you don’t care, glide by The People as they start to look and stare. Do you dance, do your dance quick Mama, come on baby, tell me what’s The Ward, ah – Ward upEverybody say when you hear the call You got to get it underway, Ward up, it’s the code word, No matter where you say it, You’ll know that you’ll be heard.
 
i don't really understand why the giants went out and got Droughns if they didn't intend him to backup Jacobs? Droughns is an accomplished RB who ran for 1000+ yards in Cleveland (knock it all you want, it's an accomplishment!). instead, they tell him to gain weight and go back to playing fullback and use derrick ward as the backup. Ward has been oft-injured and hasn't had much of a chance to do anything in the NFL.Ward had a nice game yesterday against Dallas, which is why he's going to get action these next few weeks. But why not get Droughns involved as the veteran RB?
Tom Coughlin had nothing to do with Reuben Droughns' acquisition. Jerry Reese traded Tim Carter for Droughns, he shops for the ingredients. Coughlin has to cook with what Reese gives him and pretty clearly saw that Ward was the better tailback option day in, day out of practice. Shouldn't be that surprising when you consider that Ward has a true understanding and familiarity with the Giants playbook after a few years on the roster.
ward looked more comfortable in that offense than jacobs ever did. maybe that's because i'm used to seeing tiki in there, who is much more similar in build to ward than jacobs, but ward also looked much more versatile too.
 
I have Jacobs in 3 leagues this year. Not sure I'm going after Ward in any of them. I have backups like F. Taylor, D. Foster and C. Brown on rosters to fill in. Most of the leagues go by record in waiver wire and not sure he will get to me.

I could see this becoming a shared spot now with the injury once Jacobs comes back.

Sleeper pick up for me is E. Graham RB TB. Caddy once agains is nicked and I think Graham will get some carries.

 
Yeah, solid FB's, one's that are better than Droughns and know the Giants playbook, are just a phone call away. They'd have to clear a roster spot if Jacobs does not go on IR. If he does go on IR, I think it's more likely that they pick up a young HB than a FB.

 
I heard in one ppr league of the following offer from the Jacobs owner:

Jason Avant and a 3rd

for

Ward

I wasn't surprised that the Ward owner turned it down, imo, not even close...

 
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OK why does it really matter that Droughns is listed as a FB - ie why can't they use him as HB/RB if they want? Is Ward really the unquestioned #2 RB, or could this flip-flop week to week (or be RBBC)?

 
OK why does it really matter that Droughns is listed as a FB - ie why can't they use him as HB/RB if they want? Is Ward really the unquestioned #2 RB, or could this flip-flop week to week (or be RBBC)?
Because he's almost the only FB they have left.
 
I'd rather have a weak starting RB, a RBBC guy, or a backup with big potential Chris Brown/LenDale White, Deshaun Foster, Fred Taylor, Betts, Turner, than Ward. He's probably somewhere between RB40 and RB45 right now on my trade value list, with a chance to move up slightly.

Ward is valuable and you should be willing to spend to get him, but let's be realistic. He's probably not a starter caliber talent, he plays on a team that's decimated by injuries, and Jacobs isn't supposed to be out very long.

 
No Eli = no running room for who ever is running the rock.
:goodposting: Unfortunately as a Giants fan, I think this is the best post in here
why?did Eli really scare defenses to respect his abilities? i think if you throw someone with the talent level of Leftwich in there, heck even Aaron Brooks, it would keep the offense pretty much the same.
:( You are completely lost... your going to be one of those guy that gives anything to get him :tumbleweed:
 
No Eli = no running room for who ever is running the rock.
:goodposting: Unfortunately as a Giants fan, I think this is the best post in here
why?did Eli really scare defenses to respect his abilities? i think if you throw someone with the talent level of Leftwich in there, heck even Aaron Brooks, it would keep the offense pretty much the same.
Right now they dont have either of those guys. Jared Lorenzen is not the answer and I do think that teams did respect Eli. I dont think defenses said that they would just stack the line and allow Eli to throw. I also dont think either of the QBs you mentioned would be ready until Week 4 and then who knows what will happen
 
BigRed said:
OK why does it really matter that Droughns is listed as a FB - ie why can't they use him as HB/RB if they want? Is Ward really the unquestioned #2 RB, or could this flip-flop week to week (or be RBBC)?
Ward will start, if he gets hurt it will be Bradshaw not Ruben. Every time some one says RD is a thousand yard back it make me smile. So what, he isnt very good and he is real slow. Bradshaw will get his chance.
 
Droughns played FB in Denver. Both Giant FBs got hurt in the preseason so they moved Droughns to FB to learn that positon since Jacobs was clearly "the guy" at RB. Now Droughns can play both RB and FB which is a big plus for the Giants. However, if Jacobs is out for any extended amount of time I fully expect the Giants to go out and pick up a real FB. This way they can move Droughns back to RB and have Droughns and Ward fight it out for the starting RB spot (or go RBBC). Why did Ward come in as #2, this week? Because Droughns was already in the game plan as the starting FB and they have no other real FBs on the roster. If they pick up a FB they can use Droughns in either spot depending upon how long Jacobs is out. Droughns gives them that flexibility. It may not mean much from a fantasy perspective but in the real NFL, its nice to have.
:confused: I can't stress enough that Ward is only the #2 RB because of the FB injury which cause Droughns to be named FB. They can easily find a decent FB out there... If they intended Ward to be #2; he would of had alot more reps in pre-season.

Alos.. Ward had a ton of running room beacuse Dallas was focusing on the run.
Yeah, but what they intend and plan for... doesn't always work out as assumed. In this case, for the better. I'm sure the Pats didn't plan on benching Bledsoe when he came back from injury the week after it happened. You put in whomever gives you the chance to win, and although it usually doesn't include giving many opportunities to someone deep on the depth chart, ...should they wind up getting opportunity and succeeded, the course of action changes. You sail where the wind is, so long as it gets you to your final destination.

13 for 89 at 6.8/carry with 4/27/1..... FBs, injuries, #2s, Droughns salary, Jacobs back in 3 weeks or 3 years....

You can't ignore that performance and talent. Period.

[quote name='Boone22' post='7306901' date='Sep 10 Alos.. Ward had a ton of running room beacuse Dallas was focusing on the run.
Ward was able to run, because the Dallas D was focusing on the run. Makes complete sense.

 
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I have Jacobs in 3 leagues this year. Not sure I'm going after Ward in any of them. I have backups like F. Taylor, D. Foster and C. Brown on rosters to fill in. Most of the leagues go by record in waiver wire and not sure he will get to me.I could see this becoming a shared spot now with the injury once Jacobs comes back.Sleeper pick up for me is E. Graham RB TB. Caddy once agains is nicked and I think Graham will get some carries.
Your description of your team is a mirror image of mine. Since I have the first waiver wire pick in my league I am going to claim Ward and dangle him in front of the Jacobs owner and try to get some value. That is my plan at least.
 
3C said:
BigRed said:
OK why does it really matter that Droughns is listed as a FB - ie why can't they use him as HB/RB if they want? Is Ward really the unquestioned #2 RB, or could this flip-flop week to week (or be RBBC)?
Because he's almost the only FB they have left.
So? Does their playbook have a ton of plays featuring the FB? Just don't get why this matters.Also with the QB out, is Ward really all that great of a pickup anyway?
 

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