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sho nuff said:
So its only fake news when its against POTUS...when only fringe right wing sites with zero journalistic integrity are running stories, its because the other guys are all on team Biden (including Fox)

Oh yeah...and my new favorite scape goat..."big 
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Try flipping your assertion.   

 
quick-hands said:
They aren't reputable they are for the state.   They get protection from its people and move in and out of democratic govt.  

I'm sure you are serious about about not meeting journalistic  standards.  But I think its laughable.
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Who is "for the state"?  I mean, if you are going to throw that assertion out there, seems some back up would be in order.

Yes...I am serious about it...if you have information to counter it, please present it.

 
sho nuff said:
Who is "for the state"?  I mean, if you are going to throw that assertion out there, seems some back up would be in order.

Yes...I am serious about it...if you have information to counter it, please present it.
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Bro i doubt  anything  we show each other is gonna mean anything to the other.

We see the same thing and look at the others view on it as nuts.   But within a few years we will find out I was right.

 
quick-hands said:
Bro i doubt  anything  we show each other is gonna mean anything to the other.

We see the same thing and look at the others view on it as nuts.   But within a few years we will find out I was right.
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Or...you could just back up the claims you made.  I can tell you quite a few sites that I would find that are reputable and those that I find are not.

Is the BBC "for the state"?  Reuters?  AP?  I mean, if you are going to make an assertion, it makes sense you would be able to name some when asked about it.

 
sho nuff said:
Or...you could just back up the claims you made.  I can tell you quite a few sites that I would find that are reputable and those that I find are not.

Is the BBC "for the state"?  Reuters?  AP?  I mean, if you are going to make an assertion, it makes sense you would be able to name some when asked about it.
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Yes they all are.

Would you consider the New York Post credible?   Or the Wall Street Journal credible?

Cuz if not.  I gave up pushing rope a long time ago.

 
[scooter] said:
When the "media handling" of a story becomes bigger than the actual story, it's often a sign that the actual story didn't have much merit to begin with.
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I already said i thought the story was not a big deal. That's exactly why the bias sticks out like a sore thumb. 

You have the media out there immediately crying russia!@#!! over a minor story. 

 
quick-hands said:
Yes they all are.

Would you consider the New York Post credible?   Or the Wall Street Journal credible?

Cuz if not.  I gave up pushing rope a long time ago.
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If any of these were "for the state," as you claim, what would be the purpose of corruption investigations, fact checking, and not falling in lock step with (insert politician's name here)? 

 
quick-hands said:
Yes they all are.

Would you consider the New York Post credible?   Or the Wall Street Journal credible?

Cuz if not.  I gave up pushing rope a long time ago.
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NYPost...no, why would I consider that tabloid credible.  Anyone running with Rudy's work the way they did can't be all that credible...and their credibility was in question long before that.  Murdoch as the owner doesn't really help them out.

WSJ reporting is very credible...their editorial side leans right but still has credibility.

Calling AP, Reuters and BBC  part of "the state" seems to show your own inherent bias IMO.  Those are highly reputable sources with a great track record for factual reporting.

 
sho nuff said:
NYPost...no, why would I consider that tabloid credible.  Anyone running with Rudy's work the way they did can't be all that credible...and their credibility was in question long before that.  Murdoch as the owner doesn't really help them out.

WSJ reporting is very credible...their editorial side leans right but still has credibility.

Calling AP, Reuters and BBC  part of "the state" seems to show your own inherent bias IMO.  Those are highly reputable sources with a great track record for factual reporting.
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Oh im definitely  biased.  No disagreement.    But out of the blue you get publications  that never even had an opinion  on politics suddenly  endorse a political  candidate.    Something  stinks in Denmark.    

 
quick-hands said:
Oh im definitely  biased.  No disagreement.    But out of the blue you get publications  that never even had an opinion  on politics suddenly  endorse a political  candidate.    Something  stinks in Denmark.    
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I don't think there's any question that typically non-political institutions recognize the danger to public health, democracy, and the fate of our country. 

Something absolutely stinks but some of us are nose blind.

 
quick-hands said:
Oh im definitely  biased.  No disagreement.    But out of the blue you get publications  that never even had an opinion  on politics suddenly  endorse a political  candidate.    Something  stinks in Denmark.    
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Seems that is because his opponent is historically bad.

That doesn’t make the AP or BBC or Reuters bad...nor “for the state”. Which especially makes no sense when the GOP is in control of the Senate and Executive branch and soon will have the balance of the judicial branch of government.

 
quick-hands said:
Oh im definitely  biased.  No disagreement.    But out of the blue you get publications  that never even had an opinion  on politics suddenly  endorse a political  candidate.    Something  stinks in Denmark.    
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Why do they try so hard to flood these threads with misinformation and insults, can’t they just let it play out or are they that worried about it? It clearly deserves attention, a lot of smoke for sure. 

 
GoBirds said:
Why do they try so hard to flood these threads with misinformation and insults, can’t they just let it play out or are they that worried about it? It clearly deserves attention, a lot of smoke for sure. 
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Nothing I stated was either  misinformation nor an insult.  It would be nice if you would not make false claims about what was happening.

Its had attention and so far much doesn’t hold up to actual scrutiny.

 
moleculo said:
I don't think there's any question that typically non-political institutions recognize the danger to public health, democracy, and the fate of our country. 

Something absolutely stinks but some of us are nose blind.
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Oh.   Thats it.

I dont push rope.

 
Widbil83 said:
Yuuuuge.  :popcorn:

Tony Bobulinski says he met with Joe Biden about China. The media have suppressed the story, but it’s real and it matters. Voters have a right to know the details. Bobulinski sits for an extended interview Tuesday night at 8p ET on #FoxNews

https://twitter.com/tuckercarlson/status/1320820871267639296?s=21
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Fox News and the WSJ scoured over this guy's phones, texts, and emails and both say they found nothing to tie anything to Joe Biden and there is nothing there that shows Joe took any money. And didn't Fox News argue through their attorneys that Carlson has no obligation to tell the truth and viewers know he isn't being serious?

 
Anarchy99 said:
Fox News and the WSJ scoured over this guy's phones, texts, and emails and both say they found nothing to tie anything to Joe Biden and there is nothing there that shows Joe took any money. And didn't Fox News argue through their attorneys that Carlson has no obligation to tell the truth and viewers know he isn't being serious?
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Yep, there's nothing to to this story.  No reason to even engage on it any longer. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
Fox News and the WSJ scoured over this guy's phones, texts, and emails and both say they found nothing to tie anything to Joe Biden and there is nothing there that shows Joe took any money. And didn't Fox News argue through their attorneys that Carlson has no obligation to tell the truth and viewers know he isn't being serious?
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Senate Republicans found no wrongdoing.   Fox News found no wrongdoing.

Even if this guy had a meeting (of which there is no proof), it would have been in 2017, when Biden was a private citizen.    If he was looking for influence from the White House, he was a year and a half late.   

Such a desperate, planted story.   If nobody will touch it but Tucker Carlson, that should be all you need to know.

 
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Senate Republicans found no wrongdoing.   Fox News found no wrongdoing.

Even if this guy had a meeting (of which there is no proof), it would have been in 2017, when Biden was a private citizen.    If he was looking for influence from the White House, he was a year and a half late.   

Such a desperate, planted story.   If nobody will touch it but Tucker Carlson, that should be all you need to know.
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There are also several articles out there that WH and DJT staffers orchestrated this whole thing and that the WSJ was the one that was supposed to drop all the dirt on Hunter because they are well respected. But Rudy mucked that all up by giving it to the NY Post instead. And apparently they released stuff in the wrong order that did not fit the timeline. The WSJ was also supposed vet everything before they reported on it to make it more authentic. LINK

 
Anarchy99 said:
There are also several articles out there that WH and DJT staffers orchestrated this whole thing and that the WSJ was the one that was supposed to drop all the dirt on Hunter because they are well respected. But Rudy mucked that all up by giving it to the NY Post instead. And apparently they released stuff in the wrong order that did not fit the timeline. The WSJ was also supposed vet everything before they reported on it to make it more authentic. LINK
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Reporter from the NY Post wouldn't even put his name on the byline.   If you're breaking a credible, election-shaking story, you're going to take credit for it.

 
Even this sycophant knows this bogus story isn’t working:

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) says he doesn't think that President Trump's attacks on Hunter Biden will move even one voter.

Cruz told Jonathan Swan of Axios in an interview that Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden's "best moment" in the Oct. 22 debate came when he brushed off Trump's attacks on his family and turned to the camera to tell viewers that their families matter more.

"One of Biden's best points was when he said all these attacks back and forth about my family and [Trump's] family, they don't matter. What matters is your family. That may have been Biden's best moment, actually," Cruz said.

Asked to clarify his view that attacks on Hunter Biden haven't been effective, Cruz replied: "I don't think it moves a single voter."
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Anarchy99 said:
There are also several articles out there that WH and DJT staffers orchestrated this whole thing and that the WSJ was the one that was supposed to drop all the dirt on Hunter because they are well respected. But Rudy mucked that all up by giving it to the NY Post instead. And apparently they released stuff in the wrong order that did not fit the timeline. The WSJ was also supposed vet everything before they reported on it to make it more authentic. LINK
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The host was Arthur Schwartz, a New York public relations man close to President Trump’s eldest son, Donald Jr. The guests were a White House lawyer, Eric Herschmann, and a former deputy White House counsel, Stefan Passantino, according to two people familiar with the meeting.
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Texts and emails proving it conclusively, I am sure. 

 
Regardless of where you stand politically these last minute "October Surprise" should upset you.   The sources of this story are dubious and the timing show it to be an obvious attempt at a last minute smear.   The president is on record as trying to get foreign officials just to announce an investigation on Biden and his personal lawyer has been openly trying to find someone, anyone to provide dirt on the president's opponent.

Bobulinkski has had years to spill the beans on what info he supposedly has but he chooses two weeks before the election to bring it out?   C'mon man.

I am guessing the majority of people have made their minds up by now and this "story" isn't going to swing too many votes.   Regardless I think it is a sad statement on American politics that a candidate would sink so low.

 
Even if everything Bobulinski says is true, what is the story here?  I'd like to figure it out, but it seems like a huge waste of time. I don't think there's a news source that has taken it on yet, unless you count the NY Post opinion desk.  Is the main claim that Biden used his political influence to help his son's business dealings?  Is that it?  Doesn't that happen every day at every level of government since the beginning of time?  Given what Trump has done to enrich his family while in government, I can't understand how his supporters can argue this is a thing. 

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Even if everything Bobulinski says is true, what is the story here?  I'd like to figure it out, but it seems like a huge waste of time. I don't think there's a news source that has taken it on yet, unless you count the NY Post opinion desk.  Is the main claim that Biden used his political influence to help his son's business dealings?  Is that it?  Doesn't that happen every day at every level of government since the beginning of time?  Given what Trump has done to enrich his family while in government, I can't understand how his supporters can argue this is a thing. 
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I honestly think Biden might be one of the most clean politicians in DC.  He has over 40 years in politics, and you have a ruthless opponent that is leaving no stone unturned.  And this is the best you could come up with?  

 
Here's the bombshell from the Daily Caller today:

Hunter Biden Group Touted Joe Biden In Investment Pitch To Chinese Firm

Highlights:

Joe Biden’s relationship with Colombia’s president is highlighted in an investment proposal that Hunter Biden and a group of business partners made in an investment pitch to a Chinese energy company in 2017. 

Hunter Biden and his partners sought a $10 million seed investment from CEFC China Energy, a company whose chairman had close ties to the People’s Liberation Army. 

The Biden consortium’s 42-page investment outline from May 15, 2017 features Joe Biden shaking hands with Colombia’s president, and proposes investments in a Colombian oil field and a pipeline from Venezuela. 
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Would this be a story if we learned Joe Biden was banging porn stars while his third wife was home pregnant with his 5th child?

 
Godsbrother said:
Regardless of where you stand politically these last minute "October Surprise" should upset you.   The sources of this story are dubious and the timing show it to be an obvious attempt at a last minute smear.   The president is on record as trying to get foreign officials just to announce an investigation on Biden and his personal lawyer has been openly trying to find someone, anyone to provide dirt on the president's opponent.

Bobulinkski has had years to spill the beans on what info he supposedly has but he chooses two weeks before the election to bring it out?   C'mon man.

I am guessing the majority of people have made their minds up by now and this "story" isn't going to swing too many votes.   Regardless I think it is a sad statement on American politics that a candidate would sink so low.
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Politics.    Christine Ford had over 30 years to come out on Kavanaugh as he rose through the ranks in the judge system.  Why did she wait right before his confirmation?  Just plain old politics. It is a dirty business

 
Godsbrother said:
Regardless of where you stand politically these last minute "October Surprise" should upset you.   The sources of this story are dubious and the timing show it to be an obvious attempt at a last minute smear.   The president is on record as trying to get foreign officials just to announce an investigation on Biden and his personal lawyer has been openly trying to find someone, anyone to provide dirt on the president's opponent.

Bobulinkski has had years to spill the beans on what info he supposedly has but he chooses two weeks before the election to bring it out?   C'mon man.

I am guessing the majority of people have made their minds up by now and this "story" isn't going to swing too many votes.   Regardless I think it is a sad statement on American politics that a candidate would sink so low.
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I agree.  our political parties in their pursuit of power instead of representing we the people have degraded the system our founding fathers had in mind.  It's a sad state of affairs when the people we elected will not pass term limits because it will shut off the cash cow that is us.  I can't believe how our elected representatives have let us down over the years.

this is the reason for the 2nd amendment.

 
Biff84 said:
So they tried to get Joe into the deal, he said no and then the Chinese firm turned them down.
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So, that's twice that Joe was presented with an opportunity to help out his son even though it might have been against U.S. interests — first with the Burisma prosecutor, then with the Chinese firm — and both times, Joe chose to follow the morally correct path. Makes me feel a lot better about my vote, actually.

 
Godsbrother said:
Regardless of where you stand politically these last minute "October Surprise" should upset you.   The sources of this story are dubious and the timing show it to be an obvious attempt at a last minute smear.   The president is on record as trying to get foreign officials just to announce an investigation on Biden and his personal lawyer has been openly trying to find someone, anyone to provide dirt on the president's opponent.

Bobulinkski has had years to spill the beans on what info he supposedly has but he chooses two weeks before the election to bring it out?   C'mon man.

I am guessing the majority of people have made their minds up by now and this "story" isn't going to swing too many votes.   Regardless I think it is a sad statement on American politics that a candidate would sink so low.
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Trump didn’t sink anywhere. That’s where he lives. It’s all he knows.

 
So the big reveal in the interview is that this guy says he met with Joe in 2017 after he was no longer the VP to discuss a deal that Joe was not deeply involved in that never materialized and no money changed hands? Anything else he said involved Hunter trying to dig up business through international meetings and introductions. LINK

That’s it? What am I missing? Are regular citizens not allowed to try to make money? The Trump brand has made over $200 million internationally in the time he has been president including numerous deals with Chinese businesses and banks (and a $150 million venture that was scrubbed due to corruption).

Phone calls and foot lockers? Please tell me there is something more to this. 1) Where is there a crime? And 2) Where is there anything in all of this that JOE Biden broke any laws or took any money while serving as VP? And of course 3) How is it perfectly acceptable that DJT can do business in China WHILE PRESIDENT but it somehow is ILLEGAL AND CORRUPT for Joe Biden to have done business in China (assuming he did) when he WASN’T Vice President?

 
Anarchy99 said:
So the big reveal in the interview is that this guy says he met with Joe in 2017 after he was no longer the VP to discuss a deal that Joe was not deeply involved in that never materialized and no money changed hands? Anything else he said involved Hunter trying to dig up business through international meetings and introductions. LINK

That’s it? What am I missing? Are regular citizens not allowed to try to make money? The Trump brand has made over $200 million internationally in the time he has been president including numerous deals with Chinese businesses and banks (and a $150 million venture that was scrubbed due to corruption).

Phone calls and foot lockers? Please tell me there is something more to this. 1) Where is there a crime? And 2) Where is there anything in all of this that JOE Biden broke any laws or took any money while serving as VP? And of course 3) How is it perfectly acceptable that DJT can do business in China WHILE PRESIDENT but it somehow is ILLEGAL AND CORRUPT for Joe Biden to have done business in China (assuming he did) when he WASN’T Vice President?
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I'm sure tomorrow Wildbill, KD, snotbubbles or someone will fill you in on how terrible this is while ignoring Deutsche Bank just dropping 1/4 billion in loans due for Trump....

 
cubd8 said:
It is disgusting that the media has not done their jobs and dug into this. No other way to say it. 
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The media did dig into it, and they discovered that the emails could not be verified by a 2nd source, so they didn't run with the story.

It's actually the same reason why they refused to publish the Steele Dossier before the election. So, if you're a Trump supporter, you should be happy with the consistent application of their journalistic standards.

 
cubd8 said:
[scooter] said:
The media did dig into it, and they discovered that the emails could not be verified by a 2nd source, so they didn't run with the story.

It's actually the same reason why they refused to publish the Steele Dossier before the election. So, if you're a Trump supporter, you should be happy with the consistent application of their journalistic standards.
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https://taibbi.substack.com/p/10-ways-to-call-something-russian
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No idea how that link has anything to do with what I wrote.

Anyway, the media is under no obligation to run the Republican campaign for President. If anything, you can tell when a story is fake news (using Trump's definition of the phrase) based on how much Trump supporters complain about the lack of mainstream coverage. (You can also tell that Republicans secretly resent the reach and the reputation of outlets like CNN and the NY Times, otherwise they wouldn't whine so much about those companies refusing to cover a story.) 

Because in the non-upside-down-world, the right-wing media would be thrilled to have an exclusive on a legit campaign-changing story. You think the National Enquirer complained when other outlets didn't write about Gary Hart? Come on. They just sold more copies and laughed all the way to the bank. In theory, it should be the same with Hunter Biden -- if the story has legs, then voters will flock to FoxNews and Breitbart and Newsmax and the like, driving up traffic, making huge profits for those companies, and also torpedoing Joe Biden's campaign while they're at it.

But when all you can do is complain about the lack of coverage.....it's usually a sign that the story itself wasn't worth covering in the first place.

 
[scooter] said:
No idea how that link has anything to do with what I wrote.

Anyway, the media is under no obligation to run the Republican campaign for President. If anything, you can tell when a story is fake news (using Trump's definition of the phrase) based on how much Trump supporters complain about the lack of mainstream coverage. (You can also tell that Republicans secretly resent the reach and the reputation of outlets like CNN and the NY Times, otherwise they wouldn't whine so much about those companies refusing to cover a story.) 

Because in the non-upside-down-world, the right-wing media would be thrilled to have an exclusive on a legit campaign-changing story. You think the National Enquirer complained when other outlets didn't write about Gary Hart? Come on. They just sold more copies and laughed all the way to the bank. In theory, it should be the same with Hunter Biden -- if the story has legs, then voters will flock to FoxNews and Breitbart and Newsmax and the like, driving up traffic, making huge profits for those companies, and also torpedoing Joe Biden's campaign while they're at it.

But when all you can do is complain about the lack of coverage.....it's usually a sign that the story itself wasn't worth covering in the first place.
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I know you know this but it all boils down to folks trying to paint Biden as "bad" or as "corrupt" as Trump.  It's a mechanism for them to feel good and justified in their vote.  It really doesn't seem to matter the details, how the information was obtained, how accurate it is, that Biden was a private citizen. 

And to be fair - I do think the question around media bias and it's impact is something we should address.  I just don't think this is a good example of it based on what I've seen.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Even if everything Bobulinski says is true, what is the story here?  I'd like to figure it out, but it seems like a huge waste of time. I don't think there's a news source that has taken it on yet, unless you count the NY Post opinion desk.  Is the main claim that Biden used his political influence to help his son's business dealings?  Is that it?  Doesn't that happen every day at every level of government since the beginning of time?  Given what Trump has done to enrich his family while in government, I can't understand how his supporters can argue this is a thing. 
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The story is not a big deal on its own. Which is exactly why the media handling of it is so dumb. 

 
parasaurolophus said:
The story is not a big deal on its own. Which is exactly why the media handling of it is so dumb. 
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Their handling seems to be consistent...there is little to no evidence actually provided...the authorities have had the information and are not talking.  What is there to report?  Should they report unverified BS given out by Rudy G?

Hell, their best report right now should be digging how much Rudy is involved with possibly cooking up a scheme yet again to try and discredit Biden.

 
parasaurolophus said:
CletiusMaximus said:
Even if everything Bobulinski says is true, what is the story here?  I'd like to figure it out, but it seems like a huge waste of time. I don't think there's a news source that has taken it on yet, unless you count the NY Post opinion desk.  Is the main claim that Biden used his political influence to help his son's business dealings?  Is that it?  Doesn't that happen every day at every level of government since the beginning of time?  Given what Trump has done to enrich his family while in government, I can't understand how his supporters can argue this is a thing. 
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The story is not a big deal on its own. Which is exactly why the media handling of it is so dumb. 
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It seems to me the main focus now is on how the media is handling this story, rather than on anything that actually happened.  Even going to FOX or OAN, I can't figure out what the story is, only outrage that some vague but really important scandalous story is not being covered.

 
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