The Tea Party is back in business! (1 Viewer)

[moleculo]

How will the institutions, the elctorate, the house and the senate deal with three real parties being represented? And when no party has absolute majority?

One party having a majority wouldn't be the problem.

Elaborate, please.

The most likely result is that the Tea Party and Republicans split formerly Republican votes in three-way races and hand a large majority to the Democrats.

Regardless -- either the Dems win a majority, or the Tea Party cacuses with the Republicans. It's no different than Bernie Sanders or other true Independents currently.

So you think the Tea Party will not win any seats in the places they have out primaried establishment republicans in the last elections if they stand as their own party? And no place where the republicans have an establishment congressman could a third (Tea) party candidate take that seat? Even when energised by 'treachery' by Boehner and the rest of the republican establishment?

I wouldn't say 'any' seats, but in races where a Democrat, Republican and a Tea Party candidate were all running the Dems would win a large majority of those races.

They'd probably lose in districts that currently vote, say 65-70%+ for Republicans. There are plenty of those, but there are also an awful lot of districts where Republicans are currently winning between 50.1% and 65% too.

And that's even before some smallish portion of moderate Republicans start voting with Dems to avoid having a Tea Partier from their district.

It's hard to divy up the votes in a way that a nationwide Tea Party candidate in every district would result in anything except a perpetually Democratic Congress.

apologize for Hippling here, but I'm not so sure it falls like that in the close districts. When it's a 51/49 split, that doesn't necessarily mean that 51% of the population would stay [R] or [D]. more likely, it's 33% hardcore one way, 33% the other way, and 33% in the middle. It's possible a centrist former [R], who no longer needs to pander to the right, could pull more of those centrist votes from the [D] and even things out.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

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[moleculo]

I kind of wanted to see this place shut down. I feel like the Joker. I just wanted to watch the world burn for a little.

BGP has a club you can join for this.

I miss BGP.

 

[shader]

Well Obama rejected the plan. Now what?

 

[Scoresman]

Well Obama rejected the plan. Now what?

Barry playing hardball.

 

[shader]

Here's the link

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/11/us/politics/debt-limit-debate.html?_r=0

 

[Scoresman]

Barry's growing some nuts and letting them hang freely now that he's not up for re-election.

 

[Widbil83]

Anybody watching Ted Cruz destroy his Democratic Senate colleague on CNN right now?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

For all the Nate Silver fans...

Cliff Notes:

1. The media is probably overstating the magnitude of the shutdown's political impact.

2. The impact of the 1995-96 shutdowns is overrated in Washington's mythology.

3. Democrats face extremely unfavorable conditions in trying to regain the House.

4. The polling data on the shutdown is not yet all that useful, and we lack data on most important measures of voter preferences.

5. President Obama's change in tactics may be less about a change of heart and more about a change in incentives.

6. The increasing extent of GOP partisanship is without strong recent precedent, and contributes to the systemic uncertainty about political outcomes.

So much for the shutdown being a huge win for the D's

 

[Gr00vus]

For all the Nate Silver fans...

Cliff Notes:

1. The media is probably overstating the magnitude of the shutdown's political impact.

2. The impact of the 1995-96 shutdowns is overrated in Washington's mythology.

3. Democrats face extremely unfavorable conditions in trying to regain the House.

4. The polling data on the shutdown is not yet all that useful, and we lack data on most important measures of voter preferences.

5. President Obama's change in tactics may be less about a change of heart and more about a change in incentives.

6. The increasing extent of GOP partisanship is without strong recent precedent, and contributes to the systemic uncertainty about political outcomes.

So much for the shutdown being a huge win for the D's

Beyond the Cliff's Notes:

None of this applies if the United States actually does default on its debt this time around, or if the U.S. shutdown persists for as long as Belgium's. But if the current round of negotiations is resolved within the next week or so, they might turn out to have a relatively minor impact by November 2014.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

For all the Nate Silver fans...

Cliff Notes:

1. The media is probably overstating the magnitude of the shutdown's political impact.

2. The impact of the 1995-96 shutdowns is overrated in Washington's mythology.

3. Democrats face extremely unfavorable conditions in trying to regain the House.

4. The polling data on the shutdown is not yet all that useful, and we lack data on most important measures of voter preferences.

5. President Obama's change in tactics may be less about a change of heart and more about a change in incentives.

6. The increasing extent of GOP partisanship is without strong recent precedent, and contributes to the systemic uncertainty about political outcomes.

So much for the shutdown being a huge win for the D's

Beyond the Cliff's Notes:

None of this applies if the United States actually does default on its debt this time around, or if the U.S. shutdown persists for as long as Belgium's. But if the current round of negotiations is resolved within the next week or so, they might turn out to have a relatively minor impact by November 2014.

So we should add Gr00vus to the SKY-IS-FALLING list that previously only had 1 name in it? (rhymes with Rimschochet)

 

[Scoresman]

A new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll just came out, Disapproval of Republicans is indeed up.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/_Today_Stories_Teases/Oct_poll.pdf

- Worst "right direction vs. wrong track" score of Obama era...
- but Obama's approval is actually up a bit (-1, 47/48, from last poll of -5)
- All-time low for GOP favorability (24/53)
- Tea Party: 21% positive, 47% negative (worst ever)
- Ted Cruz went from 10/12 favorables on last poll to 14/28 now
- Democrats +8(!) in generic ballot

These numbers are pretty bad for the GOP

Ezra Klein also just noted that the poll shows an increase in the popularity of Obamacare.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Ezra Klein also just noted that the poll shows an increase in the popularity of Obamacare.

I'm dubious about this, but it would be pretty funny if Obamacare received a bounce due to Republican shenanigans like Bill Clinton did during the impeachment goofballery.

 

[Don Quixote]

Well Obama rejected the plan. Now what?

The public comments have not indicated that. The NYT appears to have changed its article to a more neutral "failed to agree".

 

[timschochet]

Some contradictory reports about what Obama actually told the Republicans. Eric Cantor said he was pleased with the talk. Paul Ryan said, "he didn't say yes, and he didn't say no." That doesn't sound like the outright refusal that HotAir and the NY Times are reporting.

My guess is that Obama is waiting to make sure the House actually votes to raise the debt ceiling. He is concerned, with some justification, that the Tea Party members might still put up enough of a fight to either stop the vote or pressure House Republicans to defeat it. Obama is also facing resistance from some Senate Democrats, which I discounted a few hours ago but appears to be real. So this mess may not be solved after all. Let's hope it all goes well...

 

[Scoresman]

It sounds like Obama is unwilling to accept any plan that doesn't immediately end the shutdown. Both Obama and Senate Dems have previously been pretty clear that they're happy to negotiate on the budget once the government is open - indeed, the Senate Dems have been pushing for budget negotiations all summer. The Republicans want to negotiate with the government being shutdown so that opening the government can be the concession that they make to the Democrats, and the Democrats don't want to be pressured to cave early just so they can restart the government.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

FWIW, both sides are saying that Obama didn't say yes or no to the proposal. It's not clear if he made a counter or maybe gave the GOP something to clean up before he'd accept, but it sounds positive all things considered. At least in terms of the immediate situation.

 

[Fennis]

If they don't raise the debt ceiling and the day passes, it won't be the sky falling it will be a safe falling on your head. And this is not a Road Runner cartoon.

 

[Gr00vus]

For all the Nate Silver fans...

Cliff Notes:

1. The media is probably overstating the magnitude of the shutdown's political impact.

2. The impact of the 1995-96 shutdowns is overrated in Washington's mythology.

3. Democrats face extremely unfavorable conditions in trying to regain the House.

4. The polling data on the shutdown is not yet all that useful, and we lack data on most important measures of voter preferences.

5. President Obama's change in tactics may be less about a change of heart and more about a change in incentives.

6. The increasing extent of GOP partisanship is without strong recent precedent, and contributes to the systemic uncertainty about political outcomes.

So much for the shutdown being a huge win for the D's

Beyond the Cliff's Notes:

None of this applies if the United States actually does default on its debt this time around, or if the U.S. shutdown persists for as long as Belgium's. But if the current round of negotiations is resolved within the next week or so, they might turn out to have a relatively minor impact by November 2014.

So we should add Gr00vus to the SKY-IS-FALLING list that previously only had 1 name in it? (rhymes with Rimschochet)

Noting the article you posted mentions that all bets are off IF there's a default or the shutdown goes anomalously long == I think the SKY IS FALLING?

Forgive me for reading the whole article. I'll try to assume a completely rational, even keeled opinion - like ACA is the worst thing to happen to the U.S. of all times.

 

[The Commish]

Sean Hannity was just interviewing some Republican insider, who told him that the House Republicans were looking for a way to end the shut down by this weekend, to go along with the debt ceiling raise. I thought Hannity was going to have a meltdown on the radio.

The most hilarious part is when the insider said, "the feeling in the House is that they've been very successful in getting everything they wanted out of this shutdown, and now it's time to move on. They believe they can get more concessions out of Obama once the shutdown and the debt ceiling are out of the way."



Hannity was flabbergasted.

As he should be....they aren't getting #### out of Obama....that much is clear.

That will be awesome if they do this and then try to spin it as a success, when they gained absolutely NOTHING on Obamacare.

This moment gave me some real pause where I was really like WTF!!!!! You have to have some serious blinders on if Hannity can see what's coming but you can't. Let that sink in a little bit....holy crap!

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

For all the Nate Silver fans...

Cliff Notes:

1. The media is probably overstating the magnitude of the shutdown's political impact.

2. The impact of the 1995-96 shutdowns is overrated in Washington's mythology.

3. Democrats face extremely unfavorable conditions in trying to regain the House.

4. The polling data on the shutdown is not yet all that useful, and we lack data on most important measures of voter preferences.

5. President Obama's change in tactics may be less about a change of heart and more about a change in incentives.

6. The increasing extent of GOP partisanship is without strong recent precedent, and contributes to the systemic uncertainty about political outcomes.

So much for the shutdown being a huge win for the D's

Beyond the Cliff's Notes:

None of this applies if the United States actually does default on its debt this time around, or if the U.S. shutdown persists for as long as Belgium's. But if the current round of negotiations is resolved within the next week or so, they might turn out to have a relatively minor impact by November 2014.

So we should add Gr00vus to the SKY-IS-FALLING list that previously only had 1 name in it? (rhymes with Rimschochet)

Noting the article you posted mentions that all bets are off IF there's a default or the shutdown goes anomalously long == I think the SKY IS FALLING?

Forgive me for reading the whole article. I'll try to assume a completely rational, even keeled opinion - like ACA is the worst thing to happen to the U.S. of all times.

Yes, do you think either of these will happen?

(A) U.S. Defaults

(B) U.S. Government is shutdown for at least 598 days

I don't remember a single person in this thread predicting the doom and gloom for Republicans required the prerequisite of either of the above occurring.

 

[jamny]

Some contradictory reports about what Obama actually told the Republicans. Eric Cantor said he was pleased with the talk. Paul Ryan said, "he didn't say yes, and he didn't say no." That doesn't sound like the outright refusal that HotAir and the NY Times are reporting.

My guess is that Obama is waiting to make sure the House actually votes to raise the debt ceiling. He is concerned, with some justification, that the Tea Party members might still put up enough of a fight to either stop the vote or pressure House Republicans to defeat it. Obama is also facing resistance from some Senate Democrats, which I discounted a few hours ago but appears to be real. So this mess may not be solved after all. Let's hope it all goes well...

Maybe if you would let things develop instead of commenting on every other post you would see the forest for the trees.

 

[John Bender]

Can someone please post a serious summary of the last 10 pages if there were any new developments or any new panics?

tim, once again, made sure everyone knew His opinion about 59661 times. Liberals douches blamed conservatoves; conservative douches blamed liberals. It was awesome

 

[timschochet]

Sean Hannity was just interviewing some Republican insider, who told him that the House Republicans were looking for a way to end the shut down by this weekend, to go along with the debt ceiling raise. I thought Hannity was going to have a meltdown on the radio.

The most hilarious part is when the insider said, "the feeling in the House is that they've been very successful in getting everything they wanted out of this shutdown, and now it's time to move on. They believe they can get more concessions out of Obama once the shutdown and the debt ceiling are out of the way."



Hannity was flabbergasted.

As he should be....they aren't getting #### out of Obama....that much is clear.

That will be awesome if they do this and then try to spin it as a success, when they gained absolutely NOTHING on Obamacare.

This moment gave me some real pause where I was really like WTF!!!!! You have to have some serious blinders on if Hannity can see what's coming but you can't. Let that sink in a little bit....holy crap!

Waitaminnut- you're saying that I couldn't see that Obama would concede nothing of value on Obamacare? When did I ever say otherwise? I predicted they might eventually give in on the device tax, but that's it.

 

[Gr00vus]

For all the Nate Silver fans...

Cliff Notes:

1. The media is probably overstating the magnitude of the shutdown's political impact.

2. The impact of the 1995-96 shutdowns is overrated in Washington's mythology.

3. Democrats face extremely unfavorable conditions in trying to regain the House.

4. The polling data on the shutdown is not yet all that useful, and we lack data on most important measures of voter preferences.

5. President Obama's change in tactics may be less about a change of heart and more about a change in incentives.

6. The increasing extent of GOP partisanship is without strong recent precedent, and contributes to the systemic uncertainty about political outcomes.

So much for the shutdown being a huge win for the D's

Beyond the Cliff's Notes:

None of this applies if the United States actually does default on its debt this time around, or if the U.S. shutdown persists for as long as Belgium's. But if the current round of negotiations is resolved within the next week or so, they might turn out to have a relatively minor impact by November 2014.

So we should add Gr00vus to the SKY-IS-FALLING list that previously only had 1 name in it? (rhymes with Rimschochet)

Noting the article you posted mentions that all bets are off IF there's a default or the shutdown goes anomalously long == I think the SKY IS FALLING?

Forgive me for reading the whole article. I'll try to assume a completely rational, even keeled opinion - like ACA is the worst thing to happen to the U.S. of all times.

Yes, do you think either of these will happen?

(A) U.S. Defaults

(B) U.S. Government is shutdown for at least 598 days

I don't remember a single person in this thread predicting the doom and gloom for Republicans required the prerequisite of either of the above occurring.

I don't see B happening, no. I wouldn't have thought A would happen either until recently. I still think it won't, but I'm not as sure of it as I had been. And I agree with Silver that, barring some serious consequences (like A and B), this episode probably won't change the political landscape much, apart from poisoning the level of discourse just a little bit more.

So, to paraphrase the immortal Hal McRae, put that in your ####### strawman pipe and smoke it!

 

[Jewell]

Poll: Boehner, Reid, Cruz Down; Obama UpWSJ

House Speaker John Boehner lashed out last week at suggestions that there might be winners and losers in the government shutdown, saying “this isn’t some damn game.”

But less than two weeks in, there do seem to be a few losers in the eyes of the public, Mr. Boehner among them.

In a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll out Thursday, the speaker garnered his highest negative rating since the Journal has measured public attitudes toward him. In all, 42% of Americans hold a negative view of him, up from 37% in January, while just 17% hold a positive view, the lowest number since late 2010. The rest either don’t know him or are neutral.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid hasn’t fared much better. Nearly a third of Americans are negative toward him, up from 28% in January, while 18% view him positively.

President Barack Obama, meanwhile, has actually gained a bit of altitude during the shutdown, with 47% viewing him positively compared to 45% in September.

The biggest loser so far? Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, one of the ringleaders of the Republican push to tie the budget fight to an elimination of funding for the president’s health care law.

Mr. Cruz has become better known since the Journal first asked about him in May. Then, just 45% of Americans held any opinion about the controversial freshman senator. Now, 56% know of him. And of those, exactly half—28% of Americans—hold a negative view of Mr. Cruz, up from 12% in May, the poll found.

Meanwhile, both the Republican Party and the tea party movement hit all-time lows in the Journal poll.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Meanwhile, both the Republican Party and the tea party movement hit all-time lows in the Journal poll.

It's always darkest before the dawn

 

[timschochet]

Poll: Boehner, Reid, Cruz Down; Obama Up

WSJ

House Speaker John Boehner lashed out last week at suggestions that there might be winners and losers in the government shutdown, saying this isnt some damn game.

But less than two weeks in, there do seem to be a few losers in the eyes of the public, Mr. Boehner among them.

In a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll out Thursday, the speaker garnered his highest negative rating since the Journal has measured public attitudes toward him. In all, 42% of Americans hold a negative view of him, up from 37% in January, while just 17% hold a positive view, the lowest number since late 2010. The rest either dont know him or are neutral.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid hasnt fared much better. Nearly a third of Americans are negative toward him, up from 28% in January, while 18% view him positively.

President Barack Obama, meanwhile, has actually gained a bit of altitude during the shutdown, with 47% viewing him positively compared to 45% in September.

The biggest loser so far? Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, one of the ringleaders of the Republican push to tie the budget fight to an elimination of funding for the presidents health care law.

Mr. Cruz has become better known since the Journal first asked about him in May. Then, just 45% of Americans held any opinion about the controversial freshman senator. Now, 56% know of him. And of those, exactly half28% of Americanshold a negative view of Mr. Cruz, up from 12% in May, the poll found.

Meanwhile, both the Republican Party and the tea party movement hit all-time lows in the Journal poll.

That's weird. Just today both Rush and Hannity were crowing that Obama was down to 37% and dropping like a stone. They both said that it was proof that Republicans would win this battle if they just "stood their ground".

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

By a 22-point margin (53 percent to 31 percent), the public blames the Republican Party more for the shutdown than President Barack Obama – a wider margin of blame for the GOP than the party received during the poll during the last shutdown in 1995-96.Just 24 percent of respondents have a favorable opinion about the GOP, and only 21 percent have a favorable view of the Tea Party, which are both at all-time lows in the history of poll. [...]

Yet what is perhaps even more worrisome for the GOP is the “boomerang” effect: As the party has used the shutdown and fiscal fight to campaign against the nation’s health-care law and for limited government, the poll shows those efforts have backfired.

For one thing, the health-care law has become more popular since the shutdown began. Thirty-eight percent see the Affordable Care Act (or “Obamacare”) as a good idea, versus 43 percent who see it as a bad idea – up from 31 percent good idea, 44 percent bad idea last month.

 

[Jewell]

Poll: Boehner, Reid, Cruz Down; Obama Up

WSJ

House Speaker John Boehner lashed out last week at suggestions that there might be winners and losers in the government shutdown, saying this isnt some damn game.

But less than two weeks in, there do seem to be a few losers in the eyes of the public, Mr. Boehner among them.

In a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll out Thursday, the speaker garnered his highest negative rating since the Journal has measured public attitudes toward him. In all, 42% of Americans hold a negative view of him, up from 37% in January, while just 17% hold a positive view, the lowest number since late 2010. The rest either dont know him or are neutral.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid hasnt fared much better. Nearly a third of Americans are negative toward him, up from 28% in January, while 18% view him positively.

President Barack Obama, meanwhile, has actually gained a bit of altitude during the shutdown, with 47% viewing him positively compared to 45% in September.

The biggest loser so far? Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, one of the ringleaders of the Republican push to tie the budget fight to an elimination of funding for the presidents health care law.

Mr. Cruz has become better known since the Journal first asked about him in May. Then, just 45% of Americans held any opinion about the controversial freshman senator. Now, 56% know of him. And of those, exactly half28% of Americanshold a negative view of Mr. Cruz, up from 12% in May, the poll found.

Meanwhile, both the Republican Party and the tea party movement hit all-time lows in the Journal poll.

That's weird. Just today both Rush and Hannity were crowing that Obama was down to 37% and dropping like a stone. They both said that it was proof that Republicans would win this battle if they just "stood their ground".

I'm more inclined to believe the WSJ poll. I've heard from a reliable source that 47% are going to support Obama regardless.

 

[timschochet]

Poll: Boehner, Reid, Cruz Down; Obama Up

WSJ

House Speaker John Boehner lashed out last week at suggestions that there might be winners and losers in the government shutdown, saying this isnt some damn game.

But less than two weeks in, there do seem to be a few losers in the eyes of the public, Mr. Boehner among them.

In a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll out Thursday, the speaker garnered his highest negative rating since the Journal has measured public attitudes toward him. In all, 42% of Americans hold a negative view of him, up from 37% in January, while just 17% hold a positive view, the lowest number since late 2010. The rest either dont know him or are neutral.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid hasnt fared much better. Nearly a third of Americans are negative toward him, up from 28% in January, while 18% view him positively.

President Barack Obama, meanwhile, has actually gained a bit of altitude during the shutdown, with 47% viewing him positively compared to 45% in September.

The biggest loser so far? Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, one of the ringleaders of the Republican push to tie the budget fight to an elimination of funding for the presidents health care law.

Mr. Cruz has become better known since the Journal first asked about him in May. Then, just 45% of Americans held any opinion about the controversial freshman senator. Now, 56% know of him. And of those, exactly half28% of Americanshold a negative view of Mr. Cruz, up from 12% in May, the poll found.

Meanwhile, both the Republican Party and the tea party movement hit all-time lows in the Journal poll.

That's weird. Just today both Rush and Hannity were crowing that Obama was down to 37% and dropping like a stone. They both said that it was proof that Republicans would win this battle if they just "stood their ground".

I'm more inclined to believe the WSJ poll. I've heard from a reliable source that 47% are going to support Obama regardless.

Nicely played.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Leading? He is just as guilty of listening to the whacko's on the left as Boehner is at listening to the whacko's on the right.

I'm sure Obama is concerned that he will be primary'ed by candidates on his left. Or possibly afraid that the administration might vote him out of his leadership position.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

To read the news and tweets this just might be the fracture in the GOP that has been a long time coming.

Honestly, I just came to post this. Is this the breaking point?

It will be if the non-crazy wing of the Republican Party gives up trying to placate the Tea Party. Not clear at all if Boehner has that in him though.

I always love this formulation. One group runs up $17 trillion in debt and $60 trillion in unfunded liabilities, but the crazy group is the one that calls bullshiot on this.

Right, the people who refuse to increase any revenue are really serious about the debt and funding the liabilities.

Starve the Beast!

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

apologize for Hippling here, but I'm not so sure it falls like that in the close districts. When it's a 51/49 split, that doesn't necessarily mean that 51% of the population would stay [R] or [D]. more likely, it's 33% hardcore one way, 33% the other way, and 33% in the middle. It's possible a centrist former [R], who no longer needs to pander to the right, could pull more of those centrist votes from the [D] and even things out.

There is no such middle. At least to date.

 

[Todd Andrews]

KooK Powers Activate!

Form of a Terd Blossom!

Todd Andrews identity revealed

Sorry, gun loving warmonger here.

 

[moleculo]

apologize for Hippling here, but I'm not so sure it falls like that in the close districts. When it's a 51/49 split, that doesn't necessarily mean that 51% of the population would stay [R] or [D]. more likely, it's 33% hardcore one way, 33% the other way, and 33% in the middle. It's possible a centrist former [R], who no longer needs to pander to the right, could pull more of those centrist votes from the [D] and even things out.

There is no such middle. At least to date.

I think there will be a middle after this all sorts out. As the [R] & [D] drift further apart, its only natural that something else springs up.

 

[Slapdash]

apologize for Hippling here, but I'm not so sure it falls like that in the close districts. When it's a 51/49 split, that doesn't necessarily mean that 51% of the population would stay [R] or [D]. more likely, it's 33% hardcore one way, 33% the other way, and 33% in the middle. It's possible a centrist former [R], who no longer needs to pander to the right, could pull more of those centrist votes from the [D] and even things out.

There is no such middle. At least to date.

I think there will be a middle after this all sorts out. As the [R] & [D] drift further apart, its only natural that something else springs up.

They're shifting closer together, if anything.

 

[Lutherman2112]

Meanwhile, both the Republican Party and the tea party movement hit all-time lows in the Journal poll.

It's always darkest before the dawn

“It is said that the darkest hour of the night comes just before the dawn.”

― Thomas Fuller, A Pisgah Sight of Palestine and the Confines Thereof: With the History of the Old and New Testament Acted Thereon

That's from a 1650 manuscript.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Meanwhile, both the Republican Party and the tea party movement hit all-time lows in the Journal poll.

It's always darkest before the dawn

“It is said that the darkest hour of the night comes just before the dawn.”

― Thomas Fuller, A Pisgah Sight of Palestine and the Confines Thereof: With the History of the Old and New Testament Acted Thereon

That's from a 1650 manuscript.

“It's always darkest before the dawn.”

- Jojo the circus boy

 

[Fennis]

Meanwhile, both the Republican Party and the tea party movement hit all-time lows in the Journal poll.

It's always darkest before the dawn

“It is said that the darkest hour of the night comes just before the dawn.”

― Thomas Fuller, A Pisgah Sight of Palestine and the Confines Thereof: With the History of the Old and New Testament Acted Thereon

That's from a 1650 manuscript.

“It's always darkest before the dawn.”

- Jojo the circus boy

you owe Thomas Fuller a couple bitcoins for the use

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Meanwhile, both the Republican Party and the tea party movement hit all-time lows in the Journal poll.

It's always darkest before the dawn

“It is said that the darkest hour of the night comes just before the dawn.”

― Thomas Fuller, A Pisgah Sight of Palestine and the Confines Thereof: With the History of the Old and New Testament Acted Thereon

That's from a 1650 manuscript.

“It's always darkest before the dawn.”

- Jojo the circus boy

Not true.

The darkest part of the night is typically halfway through the night.

/signed Mr Literal.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Is it over yet?

 

[Mister CIA]

Meanwhile, both the Republican Party and the tea party movement hit all-time lows in the Journal poll.

It's always darkest before the dawn

“It is said that the darkest hour of the night comes just before the dawn.”

― Thomas Fuller, A Pisgah Sight of Palestine and the Confines Thereof: With the History of the Old and New Testament Acted Thereon

That's from a 1650 manuscript.

“It's always darkest before the dawn.”

- Jojo the circus boy

Indeed.

 

[Scoresman]

Poll: Boehner, Reid, Cruz Down; Obama Up

WSJ

House Speaker John Boehner lashed out last week at suggestions that there might be winners and losers in the government shutdown, saying this isnt some damn game.

But less than two weeks in, there do seem to be a few losers in the eyes of the public, Mr. Boehner among them.

In a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll out Thursday, the speaker garnered his highest negative rating since the Journal has measured public attitudes toward him. In all, 42% of Americans hold a negative view of him, up from 37% in January, while just 17% hold a positive view, the lowest number since late 2010. The rest either dont know him or are neutral.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid hasnt fared much better. Nearly a third of Americans are negative toward him, up from 28% in January, while 18% view him positively.

President Barack Obama, meanwhile, has actually gained a bit of altitude during the shutdown, with 47% viewing him positively compared to 45% in September.

The biggest loser so far? Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, one of the ringleaders of the Republican push to tie the budget fight to an elimination of funding for the presidents health care law.

Mr. Cruz has become better known since the Journal first asked about him in May. Then, just 45% of Americans held any opinion about the controversial freshman senator. Now, 56% know of him. And of those, exactly half28% of Americanshold a negative view of Mr. Cruz, up from 12% in May, the poll found.

Meanwhile, both the Republican Party and the tea party movement hit all-time lows in the Journal poll.

That's weird. Just today both Rush and Hannity were crowing that Obama was down to 37% and dropping like a stone. They both said that it was proof that Republicans would win this battle if they just "stood their ground".

Oh, Rush and Hannity said that? Must be true.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Meanwhile, both the Republican Party and the tea party movement hit all-time lows in the Journal poll.

It's always darkest before the dawn

“It is said that the darkest hour of the night comes just before the dawn.”

― Thomas Fuller, A Pisgah Sight of Palestine and the Confines Thereof: With the History of the Old and New Testament Acted Thereon

That's from a 1650 manuscript.

“It's always darkest before the dawn.”

- Jojo the circus boy

Indeed.

Ahhhh - some.

 

[Todd Andrews]

KooK Surrender!!1

 

[Statorama]

Poll: Boehner, Reid, Cruz Down; Obama UpWSJ

House Speaker John Boehner lashed out last week at suggestions that there might be winners and losers in the government shutdown, saying “this isn’t some damn game.”

But less than two weeks in, there do seem to be a few losers in the eyes of the public, Mr. Boehner among them.

In a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll out Thursday, the speaker garnered his highest negative rating since the Journal has measured public attitudes toward him. In all, 42% of Americans hold a negative view of him, up from 37% in January, while just 17% hold a positive view, the lowest number since late 2010. The rest either don’t know him or are neutral.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid hasn’t fared much better. Nearly a third of Americans are negative toward him, up from 28% in January, while 18% view him positively.

President Barack Obama, meanwhile, has actually gained a bit of altitude during the shutdown, with 47% viewing him positively compared to 45% in September.

The biggest loser so far? Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, one of the ringleaders of the Republican push to tie the budget fight to an elimination of funding for the president’s health care law.

Mr. Cruz has become better known since the Journal first asked about him in May. Then, just 45% of Americans held any opinion about the controversial freshman senator. Now, 56% know of him. And of those, exactly half—28% of Americans—hold a negative view of Mr. Cruz, up from 12% in May, the poll found.

Meanwhile, both the Republican Party and the tea party movement hit all-time lows in the Journal poll.

Called Paul Ryan's staffers earlier today and told them that the people that actually voted for them remain behind them 100 percent.

Just because some weenie in New York soiled his panties and answered negatively in some poll doesn't mean the actual voters in a representative's district feels the same way.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

LOL!

 

[timschochet]

Poll: Boehner, Reid, Cruz Down; Obama UpWSJ

House Speaker John Boehner lashed out last week at suggestions that there might be winners and losers in the government shutdown, saying “this isn’t some damn game.”

But less than two weeks in, there do seem to be a few losers in the eyes of the public, Mr. Boehner among them.

In a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll out Thursday, the speaker garnered his highest negative rating since the Journal has measured public attitudes toward him. In all, 42% of Americans hold a negative view of him, up from 37% in January, while just 17% hold a positive view, the lowest number since late 2010. The rest either don’t know him or are neutral.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid hasn’t fared much better. Nearly a third of Americans are negative toward him, up from 28% in January, while 18% view him positively.

President Barack Obama, meanwhile, has actually gained a bit of altitude during the shutdown, with 47% viewing him positively compared to 45% in September.

The biggest loser so far? Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, one of the ringleaders of the Republican push to tie the budget fight to an elimination of funding for the president’s health care law.

Mr. Cruz has become better known since the Journal first asked about him in May. Then, just 45% of Americans held any opinion about the controversial freshman senator. Now, 56% know of him. And of those, exactly half—28% of Americans—hold a negative view of Mr. Cruz, up from 12% in May, the poll found.

Meanwhile, both the Republican Party and the tea party movement hit all-time lows in the Journal poll.

Called Paul Ryan's staffers earlier today and told them that the people that actually voted for them remain behind them 100 percent.

Just because some weenie in New York soiled his panties and answered negatively in some poll doesn't mean the actual voters in a representative's district feels the same way.

 

[The Commish]

Sean Hannity was just interviewing some Republican insider, who told him that the House Republicans were looking for a way to end the shut down by this weekend, to go along with the debt ceiling raise. I thought Hannity was going to have a meltdown on the radio.

The most hilarious part is when the insider said, "the feeling in the House is that they've been very successful in getting everything they wanted out of this shutdown, and now it's time to move on. They believe they can get more concessions out of Obama once the shutdown and the debt ceiling are out of the way."



Hannity was flabbergasted.

As he should be....they aren't getting #### out of Obama....that much is clear.

That will be awesome if they do this and then try to spin it as a success, when they gained absolutely NOTHING on Obamacare.

This moment gave me some real pause where I was really like WTF!!!!! You have to have some serious blinders on if Hannity can see what's coming but you can't. Let that sink in a little bit....holy crap!

Waitaminnut- you're saying that I couldn't see that Obama would concede nothing of value on Obamacare? When did I ever say otherwise? I predicted they might eventually give in on the device tax, but that's it.

"you" here equals "one"....not YOU specifically.