Obama just announced that with the debt ceiling raise, he is willing to negotiate over "broad, budget issues".
Telling you guys, this is going to get done fairly quickly now.
JFC.
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JFC.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
You must be a blast at parties.Obama just announced that with the debt ceiling raise, he is willing to negotiate over "broad, budget issues".
Telling you guys, this is going to get done fairly quickly now.
timschochet
Footballguy
Just calling it as I see it.
BTW, Slapdash, yesterday you called Obama an idiot for saying he would not use the 14th Amendment in the event the House did not raise the debt ceiling. I've just been listening to legal expert Jeffrey Toobin, and he makes a very convincing argument (at least to me) as to why Obama was right to do this, and you are wrong.
Toobin explained that nobody really knows whether or not Obama has the legal right to invoke the 14th- it would have to go to the Supreme Court. In doing so, that would create the same uncertainty to our marketplace that using the 14th would be designed to prevent. Therefore, even though Obama MIGHT have the legal power to do so, it would be incredibly unwise for him to actually do it. As Toobin explained, it's a non-starter. Thoughts?
Dinsy Ejotuz
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The problem is going to come when the President renews his call for some combination of spending cuts + new revenues and Republicans refuse to consider new revenues, demanding instead that budget reform be comprised of nothing except spending cuts -- including to entitlements. That's what kicked this whole thing off, and there's no reason for optimism that I can see.Obama just announced that with the debt ceiling raise, he is willing to negotiate over "broad, budget issues".
Telling you guys, this is going to get done fairly quickly now.
timschochet
Footballguy
I predict it won't even be discussed. First, they'll remove the device tax, plus a few other changes, and that will end the shutdown.The problem is going to come when the President renews his call for some combination of spending cuts + new revenues and Republicans refuse to consider new revenues, demanding instead that budget reform be comprised of nothing except spending cuts -- including to entitlements. That's what kicked this whole thing off, and there's no reason for optimism that I can see.Obama just announced that with the debt ceiling raise, he is willing to negotiate over "broad, budget issues".
Telling you guys, this is going to get done fairly quickly now.
Next, during the 6 week period, they'll agree to change the sequester cuts to more targeted, reasonable cuts (something I've wanted all along.) They might put through Keystone. And everything else (revenue vs. more serious cuts) will be put off until 2014.
timschochet
Footballguy
Stock market is booming as a result of this news.
timschochet
Footballguy
Somebody asked that already. Actually, I'm getting most of my news from CNN.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Well I certainly hope you're right.I predict it won't even be discussed. First, they'll remove the device tax, plus a few other changes, and that will end the shutdown.The problem is going to come when the President renews his call for some combination of spending cuts + new revenues and Republicans refuse to consider new revenues, demanding instead that budget reform be comprised of nothing except spending cuts -- including to entitlements. That's what kicked this whole thing off, and there's no reason for optimism that I can see.Obama just announced that with the debt ceiling raise, he is willing to negotiate over "broad, budget issues".
Telling you guys, this is going to get done fairly quickly now.
Next, during the 6 week period, they'll agree to change the sequester cuts to more targeted, reasonable cuts (something I've wanted all along.) They might put through Keystone. And everything else (revenue vs. more serious cuts) will be put off until 2014.
Don Quixote
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timschochet
Footballguy
Although Obama said he would negotiate, Boehner just said that the price of the 6 week debt ceiling raise is specifically for Obama to agree to go to conference- which Obama has refused to do until the shut down was lifted. The CNN expert suggests that Obama will either agree to this, or he will come back with a counterproposal that the shut down is lifted for 6 weeks as well. Either way, the suspicion is that some kind of deal is in the works.
timschochet
Footballguy
Me too.Well I certainly hope you're right.I predict it won't even be discussed. First, they'll remove the device tax, plus a few other changes, and that will end the shutdown.The problem is going to come when the President renews his call for some combination of spending cuts + new revenues and Republicans refuse to consider new revenues, demanding instead that budget reform be comprised of nothing except spending cuts -- including to entitlements. That's what kicked this whole thing off, and there's no reason for optimism that I can see.Obama just announced that with the debt ceiling raise, he is willing to negotiate over "broad, budget issues".
Telling you guys, this is going to get done fairly quickly now.
Next, during the 6 week period, they'll agree to change the sequester cuts to more targeted, reasonable cuts (something I've wanted all along.) They might put through Keystone. And everything else (revenue vs. more serious cuts) will be put off until 2014.
Jim11
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Yankee23Fan
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It's something that has to be avoided at all costs or the imperial presidency that many fear depending on who is in the White House will be a very real thing.Just calling it as I see it.
BTW, Slapdash, yesterday you called Obama an idiot for saying he would not use the 14th Amendment in the event the House did not raise the debt ceiling. I've just been listening to legal expert Jeffrey Toobin, and he makes a very convincing argument (at least to me) as to why Obama was right to do this, and you are wrong.
Toobin explained that nobody really knows whether or not Obama has the legal right to invoke the 14th- it would have to go to the Supreme Court. In doing so, that would create the same uncertainty to our marketplace that using the 14th would be designed to prevent. Therefore, even though Obama MIGHT have the legal power to do so, it would be incredibly unwise for him to actually do it. As Toobin explained, it's a non-starter. Thoughts?
God my spelling is terrible today. This brief is killing me.
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timschochet
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Thankfully it looks like we'll never know what would have happened if you had gotten your wish.
timschochet
Footballguy
Umm- I don't understand this sentence.It's something that has to be avoided at all costs of the imperial presidency that manner fear depending on who is in the White House will be a very real thing.Just calling it as I see it.
BTW, Slapdash, yesterday you called Obama an idiot for saying he would not use the 14th Amendment in the event the House did not raise the debt ceiling. I've just been listening to legal expert Jeffrey Toobin, and he makes a very convincing argument (at least to me) as to why Obama was right to do this, and you are wrong.
Toobin explained that nobody really knows whether or not Obama has the legal right to invoke the 14th- it would have to go to the Supreme Court. In doing so, that would create the same uncertainty to our marketplace that using the 14th would be designed to prevent. Therefore, even though Obama MIGHT have the legal power to do so, it would be incredibly unwise for him to actually do it. As Toobin explained, it's a non-starter. Thoughts?
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Because my typing is awful today. Drink a little and it makes sense.Umm- I don't understand this sentence.It's something that has to be avoided at all costs of the imperial presidency that manner fear depending on who is in the White House will be a very real thing.Just calling it as I see it.
BTW, Slapdash, yesterday you called Obama an idiot for saying he would not use the 14th Amendment in the event the House did not raise the debt ceiling. I've just been listening to legal expert Jeffrey Toobin, and he makes a very convincing argument (at least to me) as to why Obama was right to do this, and you are wrong.
Toobin explained that nobody really knows whether or not Obama has the legal right to invoke the 14th- it would have to go to the Supreme Court. In doing so, that would create the same uncertainty to our marketplace that using the 14th would be designed to prevent. Therefore, even though Obama MIGHT have the legal power to do so, it would be incredibly unwise for him to actually do it. As Toobin explained, it's a non-starter. Thoughts?
Scoresman
Footballguy
The longer this shutdown goes on, the worse the Republican railing against Obamacare is going to poll. More and more people are getting signed up for it and the Republicans know from the bottom of their hearts that the moment the clock ticks January 1st and the first subsidies and fees go through, it'll be impossible to repeal because even people from their own districts will have gotten a taste.
So yeah, go ahead and keep going along that tack.
So yeah, go ahead and keep going along that tack.
We're creating the uncertainty regardless. The 14th has the prospect of taking the debt ceiling off the table forever, as it should be.Just calling it as I see it.
BTW, Slapdash, yesterday you called Obama an idiot for saying he would not use the 14th Amendment in the event the House did not raise the debt ceiling. I've just been listening to legal expert Jeffrey Toobin, and he makes a very convincing argument (at least to me) as to why Obama was right to do this, and you are wrong.
Toobin explained that nobody really knows whether or not Obama has the legal right to invoke the 14th- it would have to go to the Supreme Court. In doing so, that would create the same uncertainty to our marketplace that using the 14th would be designed to prevent. Therefore, even though Obama MIGHT have the legal power to do so, it would be incredibly unwise for him to actually do it. As Toobin explained, it's a non-starter. Thoughts?
TheIronSheik
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I kind of wanted to see this place shut down. I feel like the Joker. I just wanted to watch the world burn for a little.
Scoresman
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TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
Scoresman
Footballguy
What would ever make you think I was Republican?
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Fennis
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Let me guess
"I'm a Libertarian"
quickhands
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
All over conservative/Tea Party websites and blogs, and talk show hosts, the same phrase is being repeated: "STAND YOUR GROUND!"
It seems that the House Republicans are George Zimmerman, and President Obama is Trayvon Martin.
It seems that the House Republicans are George Zimmerman, and President Obama is Trayvon Martin.
Scoresman
Footballguy
I like to think of it as the House Reublicans are hitler (literally) and Obama is Anne Frank.
timschochet
Footballguy
Hey dude. i was just kidding around. For you to write something like that- you really need to chill out a bit.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I think you just crossed the streams in the FFA universe. Your computer should be blowing up in 5....4.....3....2.....
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
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Arsenal of Doom
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Leeroy Jenkins
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Scoresman
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Flying Spaghetti Monster
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Serious question.
Do you get more enjoyment out of watching other people suffer than watching people being happy?
TheIronSheik
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Me? I'm all about the happiness. Here's a fun fact about me a lot of people don't know: I like to joke around a lot.
That said, some worldwide panic at the disco (as well as every other venue) might just be fun to watch for a couple weeks. Maybe the next time a situation like this came up, neither side would think about doing it again. Sometimes you have to burn your hand to realize not to touch the stove.
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
I'm really just hoping that chaos would spill over into Syria and we could bomb it to "clean" it up.Let me guess
"I'm a Libertarian"
Pretty sure we've been saying that for decades now. Well, some of us. Here's my prediction: they will kick the can further down the road, make no substantive changes, and we'll be stuck with the same debt/deficit problem next year, the year after that, and for the next five years after that.Obama just announced that with the debt ceiling raise, he is willing to negotiate over "broad, budget issues".
Telling you guys, this is going to get done fairly quickly now.
The Commish
Footballguy
You won't read this, but i"m going to post it anyway....so they are now "negotiating" on things that have no impact to the budget. By "negotiating" back to this level and wanting the mandate to be delayed for people like it was for companies they are moving from behind the "budget/finance" rock and showing that they just want to stall Obamacare. Whether the government is part of the plan or not is immaterial to the budgetary bottom line. So now what?
The Commish
Footballguy
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
It was the literally thing. Andy D would not be happy with the usage there, so it's good he didn't see it. I mean, the GOP isn't putting people on trains just yet. So, while we can not like our political opponents, we need not go that far.
Lilliputian is too nice. Right now, they are coolectively the dumbest group of weakass dumb that any party has been in our government since the dems during the civil war.
The Commish
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
It's certainly going to send JoJo further over the edge and I'm not so sure jon_mx will be there to catch him
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Why are you bringing up the budget? I assume you are replying to the wrong post.
You said:
I said:
to which you replied:
huh? budget?
followed by:
huh? back to what level?
It's like you are throwing #### against the wall to see what sticks.
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