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[Doug B]

So... anyone know what FEMA looks like these days? What with the soon-to-be hurricane set to make landfall in Alabama this weekend?

"FEMA remains committed to supporting disaster survivors. Our ongoing response operations, such as the individual assistance being provided to survivors of the flooding in Colorado, will not be impacted directly by a government shutdown. FEMA's response to disasters and emergencies is funded by the Disaster Relief Fund (DRF), which would not initially be affected by a funding lapse for annual appropriations."

The DRF is a standing fund that continues on from one fiscal year to the next, so a lapse in annual funding doesn't have an immediate impact.

Quote from FEMA spokesperson

Thanks ... I had overlooked this before.

The DRF gets money fed into it with some frequency, but it itself has also been "shut down" at times in recent years (most recently in early 2010). Doesn't really make news when it happens, though.

 

[Slapdash]

I am hardly a Congressional Historian, and I am sure there have been awful examples of "leadership" in the past, however has there ever been a worse Speaker than Boehner? He seems to be doing harm to the nation, to Congress' reputation (as if it could get worse... but WAIT! THERE'S MORE!) and to his own party. He seems to have lost the faith of many in his own party and has demonstrated not only an inability to get anything done. Well, anything positive.

Historically, will be be viewed as one of the worst speakers ever?

Boehner pretty much has been handed an impossible job, hard to see any other potential GOP leader who would be doing better.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

The last shutdowns were estimated to cost $2.1bn plus some unknown amount for its effect on the economy. And that's when things were good, not when the economy was stagnating.

Ultimately, the shutdown is more symbolic than it is catastrophic. But whether it costs $1bn or $6bn, the real burr is that it didn't have to happen. It's one extremist faction of one party throwing a temper tantrum because the rest of the country doesn't agree with them on an issue. And for that, they're going to piss in everybody's corn flakes.

It's still a bogus number any way you slice.I think most of the #####ing in here is people working for the government thinking they are entitled to some kind of guaranteed job security. Welcome to the real world. Don't like it? Get a new job like everyone else does when they get laid off.

I'm glad Random Internet Guy feels qualified to declare bogus a number which he has no idea on how it was arrived at. You stay strong.

Break it down to then nearest million for me genius.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I am hardly a Congressional Historian, and I am sure there have been awful examples of "leadership" in the past, however has there ever been a worse Speaker than Boehner? He seems to be doing harm to the nation, to Congress' reputation (as if it could get worse... but WAIT! THERE'S MORE!) and to his own party. He seems to have lost the faith of many in his own party and has demonstrated not only an inability to get anything done. Well, anything positive.

Historically, will be be viewed as one of the worst speakers ever?

Boehner pretty much has been handed an impossible job, hard to see any other potential GOP leader who would be doing better.

[SIZE=11.818181991577148px]Boehner was challenged by the Taa Party last time for the speakership.[/SIZE]

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Shutdown day 2, everything still seems fine. No foreseeable problems on day three either. Biggest concern the politicians should have is the realization that we really don't need them for much, and that the tea party mantra of a smaller, leaner, more efficient government actually makes sense

Do you know what the NIH is?

I know what NIHM is. But that's kind of a secret.

Yeah, this post proves that I really haven't been bringing my A-game to this thread. Time to step it up or get stepped on. Solid, solid work.

 

[Premier]

Seriously. And this doosh was in here crying about losing his job a few months ago.

Kicking it at the office offloading some personal files in jeans and a T shirt. My marketing department had survived 4 corporate sales, a bankruptcy, and three rounds of layoffs, however the election results seem to be the nail in the coffin. We're outsourcing all marketing at this point so I was laid off on Thursday evening. They've been very kind with the severance package so zero worries here. As my incessant presence here at FBG likely hinted at my boredom in my current job. It was as kush a gig as they come but with no more room to move up... stagnant daily routine... tis for the best. So now I'm offloading 20GB of personal files and 60GB of music onto a drive. Removing any evidence of incriminating activity.... and Enjoying one last cup of our tasty in-house starbucks java, then off to the house for a cold one. May end up bouncing some resume / job search questions off you guys since it's been over a decade since I've been in the market. Got a few solid leads lined up already. Thinking about taking the month of December off to unwind. Have never been without a job for more than 3 days since I was 16. In a way it's kinda nice.

Oh yeah.... That thread was a real tearjerker...

I recognized that sometimes companies can't afford to keep everyone employed... gubmint should take notes from the private sector's trimming of fat over the last couple years. People will pick themselves up and move on, just like I did.

Why would you even post the the thread if you weren't looking for a sympathetic handjob? This extends far past people's paychecks as well but you're either too stupid to realize that or you do and don't care. Either way, get ####ed.

 

[Otis]

Obamacare was passed by both houses, signed by the president and confirmed as constitutional. Then we had an election where Obamacare was one of the main issues and Obama won handily. So how is defunding this or holding America hostage until it is rewritten or eliminated the will of the people?

Well, some of the people are still sore losers about it.

 

[Fennis]

I am hardly a Congressional Historian, and I am sure there have been awful examples of "leadership" in the past, however has there ever been a worse Speaker than Boehner? He seems to be doing harm to the nation, to Congress' reputation (as if it could get worse... but WAIT! THERE'S MORE!) and to his own party. He seems to have lost the faith of many in his own party and has demonstrated not only an inability to get anything done. Well, anything positive.

Historically, will be be viewed as one of the worst speakers ever?

Boehner pretty much has been handed an impossible job, hard to see any other potential GOP leader who would be doing better.

[SIZE=11.81px]Boehner was challenged by the Taa Party last time for the speakership.[/SIZE]

not really

 

[Koya]

I am hardly a Congressional Historian, and I am sure there have been awful examples of "leadership" in the past, however has there ever been a worse Speaker than Boehner? He seems to be doing harm to the nation, to Congress' reputation (as if it could get worse... but WAIT! THERE'S MORE!) and to his own party. He seems to have lost the faith of many in his own party and has demonstrated not only an inability to get anything done. Well, anything positive.

Historically, will be be viewed as one of the worst speakers ever?

Boehner pretty much has been handed an impossible job, hard to see any other potential GOP leader who would be doing better.

At least in my lifetime I don't recall such an impotent and at times buffoon like not to mention utterly ineffectual "leader"

And again, the point of a leader is not to let yourself be dictated to by the extremists in your own party when doing so at best hurts your party and likely the nation as well. The former is an even bigger issue considering the current trends within voter preference on issues that once favored republicans but have swung in addition to changing demographics that are only bolstering the dems so long as the republicans refuse to evolve their stance.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I am hardly a Congressional Historian, and I am sure there have been awful examples of "leadership" in the past, however has there ever been a worse Speaker than Boehner? He seems to be doing harm to the nation, to Congress' reputation (as if it could get worse... but WAIT! THERE'S MORE!) and to his own party. He seems to have lost the faith of many in his own party and has demonstrated not only an inability to get anything done. Well, anything positive.

Historically, will be be viewed as one of the worst speakers ever?

It's actually not a bad question. He is up there as one of the worst, although in his defense the party has been fractured for most of his time in the chair and has had to deal with Democrats that are larger than life in many ways. It hasn't been an easy time as Speaker, but yeah, he isn't very good at the job.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Shutdown day 2, everything still seems fine. No foreseeable problems on day three either. Biggest concern the politicians should have is the realization that we really don't need them for much, and that the tea party mantra of a smaller, leaner, more efficient government actually makes sense

Do you know what the NIH is?

I know what NIHM is. But that's kind of a secret.

Yeah, this post proves that I really haven't been bringing my A-game to this thread. Time to step it up or get stepped on. Solid, solid work.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

The last shutdowns were estimated to cost $2.1bn plus some unknown amount for its effect on the economy. And that's when things were good, not when the economy was stagnating.

Ultimately, the shutdown is more symbolic than it is catastrophic. But whether it costs $1bn or $6bn, the real burr is that it didn't have to happen. It's one extremist faction of one party throwing a temper tantrum because the rest of the country doesn't agree with them on an issue. And for that, they're going to piss in everybody's corn flakes.

It's still a bogus number any way you slice.I think most of the #####ing in here is people working for the government thinking they are entitled to some kind of guaranteed job security. Welcome to the real world. Don't like it? Get a new job like everyone else does when they get laid off.

I'm glad Random Internet Guy feels qualified to declare bogus a number which he has no idea on how it was arrived at. You stay strong.

Break it down to then nearest million for me genius.

Sure.

So you admit there were delays in processing things that brought revenue in at a later date and this money was in fact not "lost". Same can be said for people not visiting national parks, sure some of them probably never got a chance to return to visit but who's to say the majority of the visitors didn't go weeks or months later? None of this can be substantiated. People didn't travel to X because it was closed, so they traveled to Z instead. Airlines servicing X lost money, airlines servicing Z made money instead. The argument you are trying to stand behind is nothing more than resource allocation and you can't prove otherwise.

 

[parasaurolophus]

This is costing us 300 million dollars a day:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-01/shutdown-would-cost-u-s-economy-300-million-a-day-ihs-says.html

Is this going to be some study that is based off of GDP? And since gov't spending goes into GDP, of course GDP will be lower.

What is the measurement of economic output they used?

 

[igbomb]

The fact that Boehner could end this tomorrow gives me a little bit of hope.

Hopefully, when the debt limit issue creeps up, whether this current one is temporarily resolved or the two issues become one, Boehner will stand up and take control of things again, put the clean bill to a vote, make some speeches, and then we can move on.

The shutdown sucks, and real people are getting hurt, but this issue isn't recession inducing yet. Letting the debt limit issue drag on would be, without a doubt.

Bunch of g-d children.

Boehner Tells Republicans He Won't Let the Nation Default

 

[TxBuckeye]

I think most of the #####ing in here is people working for the government thinking they are entitled to some kind of guaranteed job security. Welcome to the real world. Don't like it? Get a new job like everyone else does when they get laid off.

Wow, you really are a heartless **** aren't you?

 

[Scoresman]

how much of the $300 million per day is from extra bandwidth FBG needs to handle tim's posting during the shutdown?

 

[timschochet]

The fact that Boehner could end this tomorrow gives me a little bit of hope.

Hopefully, when the debt limit issue creeps up, whether this current one is temporarily resolved or the two issues become one, Boehner will stand up and take control of things again, put the clean bill to a vote, make some speeches, and then we can move on.

The shutdown sucks, and real people are getting hurt, but this issue isn't recession inducing yet. Letting the debt limit issue drag on would be, without a doubt.

Bunch of g-d children.

Boehner Tells Republicans He Won't Let the Nation Default

This is really good news.

 

[B-Deep]

"We're not going to be disrespected," Indiana Republican Representative Marlin Stutzman told The Washington Examiner newspaper. "We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is."

???

 

[timschochet]

But if that report is true, why doesn't Boehner just get it over with and do it now? He'll never get the Tea Party to agree anyhow. Why wait until the last second? The longer he waits the more he riske economic hardship anyhow- 2011 shows us that.

 

[Kasparov]

Has anyone given any thought to the possibility that the republicans want this shutdown to ruin the economy, and force it into another depression?

It would be a great talking point for them, "Obama was president when the depression happened!".

How would that be any different than the past 5 years?

We haven't been in a depression the last five years, that's how.

 

[timschochet]

The fact that Boehner could end this tomorrow gives me a little bit of hope.

Hopefully, when the debt limit issue creeps up, whether this current one is temporarily resolved or the two issues become one, Boehner will stand up and take control of things again, put the clean bill to a vote, make some speeches, and then we can move on.

The shutdown sucks, and real people are getting hurt, but this issue isn't recession inducing yet. Letting the debt limit issue drag on would be, without a doubt.

Bunch of g-d children.

Boehner Tells Republicans He Won't Let the Nation Default

Called it.

You certainly did.

 

[timschochet]

But if that report is true, why doesn't Boehner just get it over with and do it now? He'll never get the Tea Party to agree anyhow. Why wait until the last second? The longer he waits the more he riske economic hardship anyhow- 2011 shows us that.

I'd guess 2 reasons.1: Some vague hope that he might be able to squeeze something out of it.

2: Even if he doesn't get #1, he has to go back to the nutjob conference and say that he tried to do #1.

If so, then leaking this story seems pretty dumb.

 

[Don Quixote]

So... anyone know what FEMA looks like these days? What with the soon-to-be hurricane set to make landfall in Alabama this weekend?

As I mentioned earlier, I personally know about a dozen attorneys there that are furloughed, which probably just means those not furloughed will not be able to sleep. I don't know about responders.

 

[B-Deep]

so this ends when Boehner cracks, right?

that's about the only end game now, he feels to much prssure and calls for the vote, a clean bill passes and presto

Boehner is screwed

 

[TheIronSheik]

Let's make a deal that we'll open the government back up, but we get to shoot 5 Tomahawk missiles into Syria. Win-win.

 

[Slapdash]

Has anyone given any thought to the possibility that the republicans want this shutdown to ruin the economy, and force it into another depression?

It would be a great talking point for them, "Obama was president when the depression happened!".

How would that be any different than the past 5 years?

We haven't been in a depression the last five years, that's how.

I don't really agree.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I think most of the #####ing in here is people working for the government thinking they are entitled to some kind of guaranteed job security. Welcome to the real world. Don't like it? Get a new job like everyone else does when they get laid off.

Wow, you really are a heartless **** aren't you?

The government is bloated, it's too large, sorry you disagree and you rely on them for your paycheck, but that doesn't change my views that it's employees shouldn't be entitled to bullet proof job security when the rest of the country is hurting, especially given the fact that there's a good chance you are going to get back pay anyway. I've been unemployed a few times and it's not fun, but it also wasn't for only 2-3 weeks so until you walk a mile in my shoes...

 

[Yankee23Fan]

But if that report is true, why doesn't Boehner just get it over with and do it now? He'll never get the Tea Party to agree anyhow. Why wait until the last second? The longer he waits the more he riske economic hardship anyhow- 2011 shows us that.

Because it's a planted story intended for an audience that isn't you. It's designed to let the White House that he isn't the problem, and to let the right wing of the party know that they could be left out in the wind and made the fall guys, and overall its made to let the entire GOP know that Boehner isn't afraid of who they think he is afraid of.

Whether any of it works is a whole other story.

 

[Henry Ford]

On the topic of how these idiots get voted into their seats, this is a reminder of what Republican primary voters are like:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/161910086/PPP-Louisiana-poll-August-2013

Q2

Who do you think was more responsible for thepoor response to Hurricane Katrina: George W.Bush or Barack Obama?

George W. Bush.............................................28%

Barack Obama...............................................29%

Not sure...................................................44%

Over 50% of all Republican voters continue to believe that Obama was born outside of the USA. Think about that for a moment- over 50%!!

Where's your evidence of this?

Tell you, why don't you Google it?You're a proven racist and you don't deserve cordial discussion. I have no idea why you were allowed back in this forum in order to spew your hateful ignorance.

IOW, you're full of #####...on that as well as most other things. If anyone is hateful, it's you, making up BS, like the racist remark. Tell that to my bridge partner, who is black...I'll tell him about you tonight; should give him a laugh.

Oh, come on.

 

[B-Deep]

I think most of the #####ing in here is people working for the government thinking they are entitled to some kind of guaranteed job security. Welcome to the real world. Don't like it? Get a new job like everyone else does when they get laid off.

Wow, you really are a heartless **** aren't you?

The government is bloated, it's too large, sorry you disagree and you rely on them for your paycheck, but that doesn't change my views that it's employees shouldn't be entitled to bullet proof job security when the rest of the country is hurting, especially given the fact that there's a good chance you are going to get back pay anyway. I've been unemployed a few times and it's not fun, but it also wasn't for only 2-3 weeks so until you walk a mile in my shoes...

i don't know where the bullet proof job security crap comes from

this is not about that at all

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Let's make a deal that we'll open the government back up, but we get to shoot 5 Tomahawk missiles into Syria. Win-win.

Obama's Counter offer: We want to start a federal gun registration database that is maintained by federally licensed gun sellers and is accessible to all law enforcement agencies, it will be paid for by a gun/bullet tax that will be modeled after the tobacco tax. Also we want the immediate removal of all corporate welfare provisions and special interest tax breaks.

 

[B-Deep]

http://news.yahoo.com/knew-shutdown-casualties-shatter-stereotypes-071219238--finance.html

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Let's make a deal that we'll open the government back up, but we get to shoot 5 Tomahawk missiles into Syria. Win-win.

Obama's Counter offer: We want to start a federal gun registration database that is maintained by federally licensed gun sellers and is accessible to all law enforcement agencies, it will be paid for by a gun/bullet tax that will be modeled after the tobacco tax. Also we want the immediate removal of all corporate welfare provisions and special interest tax breaks.

I would so applaud him if he actually came out and said that. In fact, I welcome it. I would love to see what amounts to a policy for policy idea on live TV between him and Boehner. Mr. Speaker, I want (the stuff typed above). Ok, Mr. President I want X. I can do that Mr. Speaker but I have to add to my demand, Y. Understood Mr. President, but given that you now have X and Y, I would need Z, AA and BB.

Give them like 10 minutes. Greatest TV show ever.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

so this ends when Boehner cracks, right?

that's about the only end game now, he feels to much prssure and calls for the vote, a clean bill passes and presto

Boehner is screwed

Probably one of the easiest ways out for the GOP members that want out is to make this all about Boehner.

 

[Lutherman2112]

Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-TX) auditions for The World's Largest Free Floating Penis

He picks a fight with a park ranger, blaming her for doing her job, and then when others notice, he turns tail and exits.

 

[matttyl]

The $300 Million number comes from the averaging of cost of the past 2 shutdowns in GDP. CSM downplays the federal employee pay impact because they assume that there will be a furlough pay resolution and that money into the economy isn't lost because its early in the fiscal quarter. This thing drags near halloween and $300mm will be low.

$300 million per day he said, not total. Also just because some family cannot go see the Washington Monument doesn't mean they immediately put that money into their savings account, it will get spent regardless. This is what a large portion of this "lost money" is coming from, from business that cannot profit off of tourists, boohoo.

I think studying previous episodes is much more useful than just making #### up.

Agree completely!!! So why don't we look back at previous attempts to implement a guaranteed issue health insurance arrangement with no pre-exeisting limitations, and you show me some that worked out in the end.

 

[shader]

Shots have been fired at the US Capitol

 

[drummer]

The $300 Million number comes from the averaging of cost of the past 2 shutdowns in GDP. CSM downplays the federal employee pay impact because they assume that there will be a furlough pay resolution and that money into the economy isn't lost because its early in the fiscal quarter. This thing drags near halloween and $300mm will be low.

$300 million per day he said, not total. Also just because some family cannot go see the Washington Monument doesn't mean they immediately put that money into their savings account, it will get spent regardless. This is what a large portion of this "lost money" is coming from, from business that cannot profit off of tourists, boohoo.

I think studying previous episodes is much more useful than just making #### up.

Agree completely!!! So why don't we look back at previous attempts to implement a guaranteed issue health insurance arrangement with no pre-exeisting limitations, and you show me some that worked out in the end.

Hey matty, when are you gonna start this crusade in the SP? Maybe in the injury thread?

 

[TheIronSheik]

Let's make a deal that we'll open the government back up, but we get to shoot 5 Tomahawk missiles into Syria. Win-win.

Obama's Counter offer: We want to start a federal gun registration database that is maintained by federally licensed gun sellers and is accessible to all law enforcement agencies, it will be paid for by a gun/bullet tax that will be modeled after the tobacco tax. Also we want the immediate removal of all corporate welfare provisions and special interest tax breaks.

As a Lebanese person, this doesn't help deal with my hatred for Syria. I'd decline this offer.

 

[B-Deep]

so this ends when Boehner cracks, right?

that's about the only end game now, he feels to much prssure and calls for the vote, a clean bill passes and presto

Boehner is screwed

Probably one of the easiest ways out for the GOP members that want out is to make this all about Boehner.

i just see no way he comes out of this looking good

 

[matttyl]

The $300 Million number comes from the averaging of cost of the past 2 shutdowns in GDP. CSM downplays the federal employee pay impact because they assume that there will be a furlough pay resolution and that money into the economy isn't lost because its early in the fiscal quarter. This thing drags near halloween and $300mm will be low.

$300 million per day he said, not total. Also just because some family cannot go see the Washington Monument doesn't mean they immediately put that money into their savings account, it will get spent regardless. This is what a large portion of this "lost money" is coming from, from business that cannot profit off of tourists, boohoo.

I think studying previous episodes is much more useful than just making #### up.

Agree completely!!! So why don't we look back at previous attempts to implement a guaranteed issue health insurance arrangement with no pre-exeisting limitations, and you show me some that worked out in the end.

Hey matty, when are you gonna start this crusade in the SP? Maybe in the injury thread?

Would be a good place to put it, we'll all be hurting financially from this.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Shots have been fired at the US Capitol

Car accident in the area involving a police office too. Have a helicopter on the ground for him now. Crazy.

 

[drummer]

Hey matty, when are you gonna start this crusade in the SP? Maybe in the injury thread?

Would be a good place to put it, we'll all be hurting financially from this.

Dunno if ya did this already, but the Chronic Back Pain thread here might be a target rich thread for your agenda today. How much do they pay you to work it?

 

[Slapdash]

The $300 Million number comes from the averaging of cost of the past 2 shutdowns in GDP. CSM downplays the federal employee pay impact because they assume that there will be a furlough pay resolution and that money into the economy isn't lost because its early in the fiscal quarter. This thing drags near halloween and $300mm will be low.

$300 million per day he said, not total. Also just because some family cannot go see the Washington Monument doesn't mean they immediately put that money into their savings account, it will get spent regardless. This is what a large portion of this "lost money" is coming from, from business that cannot profit off of tourists, boohoo.

I think studying previous episodes is much more useful than just making #### up.

Agree completely!!! So why don't we look back at previous attempts to implement a guaranteed issue health insurance arrangement with no pre-exeisting limitations, and you show me some that worked out in the end.

So, Mass?

 

[Joe T]

The $300 Million number comes from the averaging of cost of the past 2 shutdowns in GDP. CSM downplays the federal employee pay impact because they assume that there will be a furlough pay resolution and that money into the economy isn't lost because its early in the fiscal quarter. This thing drags near halloween and $300mm will be low.

Even if there is a pay resolution, we will have been paying people for work that wasn't done while they were on furlough.

Non-essential is the key word in the shut down. HTH

 

[Joe T]

I hear we are now losing around $600m per day from non-essential employees not being productive. Make sense?

 

[Joe T]

E.J. Dionne had an (uncharacteristically) good line today

The government is shut for only one reason: Boehner wants to keep his job. This is not a sufficient cause for throwing hundreds of thousands of other people out of theirs.

link to the good line?

 

[Joe T]

I am hardly a Congressional Historian, and I am sure there have been awful examples of "leadership" in the past, however has there ever been a worse Speaker than Boehner? He seems to be doing harm to the nation, to Congress' reputation (as if it could get worse... but WAIT! THERE'S MORE!) and to his own party. He seems to have lost the faith of many in his own party and has demonstrated not only an inability to get anything done. Well, anything positive.

Historically, will be be viewed as one of the worst speakers ever?

You don't have to be a historian to remember Nancy Pelosi.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

When will the GOP disavow these tea party whack jobs and just let them form a 3rd party officially?

 

[Joe T]

how much of the $300 million per day is from extra bandwidth FBG needs to handle tim's posting during the shutdown?

+1