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The Timmy Lincecum Era is About to Begin (1 Viewer)
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Knightro
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http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/...y_tim_lincecum/ is oneI also spoke with Baseball Prospectus/ESPN/MLB guy Will Carroll last Thursday in Tampa at an event who is 100% in support of Lincecum's delivery and this is a guy who is very critical of deliveries. He has been doing a video cast on different pitching mechanics for MLB on their website (here)
His specific comments were, " I LOVE his delivery. The more I see it, the more I like it, and I wonder every day if that’s teachable. I like him as a starter — no fact to show that he can’t handle it yet — but I think he could dominate as a reliever. Different? I wouldn’t try to change his delivery, that’s for sure. I might let him throw MORE than most at his level."
Scott Utah Boyles
Footballguy
Hey, that's the same thing the experts said about Mark Prior, too. (Cue the Twilight Zone music)
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Yup it's a shame he's going up against Oswalt who's pitching equally as well."TIMMAY!!!"Thus far tonight:5 IP, 0.00 era, 0.60 WHIP, 8 K's
my man otis
Footballguy
well, they can't send him back down now.
eerily similar to hughes, except the hamstring thing and all.
eerily similar to hughes, except the hamstring thing and all.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Why wouldn't you be able to calculate an earned run average from one game?
my man otis
Footballguy
good question.Why wouldn't you be able to calculate an earned run average from one game?
wilked
Footballguy
Because it makes no sense.Check any game stat line, and see if they put the ERA of the pitcher for the gameWhy wouldn't you be able to calculate an earned run average from one game?
JMJ
Footballguy
For fantasy baseball purposes; they do.HTH.Because it makes no sense.Check any game stat line, and see if they put the ERA of the pitcher for the gameWhy wouldn't you be able to calculate an earned run average from one game?
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
An ERA can be calculated as long as a pitcher pitches 1/3 of an inning........Because it makes no sense.Check any game stat line, and see if they put the ERA of the pitcher for the gameWhy wouldn't you be able to calculate an earned run average from one game?
Your Mother
Footballguy
The Gator
Footballguy
JMJ
Footballguy
Minus his first start of the year when you know he was dorked up and pitching on Sunday night baseball on Nat'l TV vs. a Phillies lineup loaded with good left-handed hitters (Rollins, Victorino, Utley, Howard, etc) who give any right-handed pitchers fits, his line in his next two starts has been:1-0, 14 IP, 2 ER, 16 K's, only 2 BBThat is dominant for a kid who is less then 365 days removed from pitching in college.Dude is money.Hope he can hold up all year.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
I'm loving the Timmy Lincecum EraMinus his first start of the year when you know he was dorked up and pitching on Sunday night baseball on Nat'l TV vs. a Phillies lineup loaded with good left-handed hitters (Rollins, Victorino, Utley, Howard, etc) who give any right-handed pitchers fits, his line in his next two starts has been:1-0, 14 IP, 2 ER, 16 K's, only 2 BBThat is dominant for a kid who is less then 365 days removed from pitching in college.Dude is money.Hope he can hold up all year.
I thought the same thing about Jake Peavy 3 or 4 years ago, right about the time everyone was talking about how remarkably efficient Mark Prior's delivery was and how it would protect him from injury. Bottom line, pitchers get hurt. If the people who invest hundreds of millions of dollars on these kids can't tell who is and who isn't going to get hurt, a couple of fantasy obsessed bloggers aren't going to, either.
Plenty of legit leagues prohibit you from drafting people who have never played in a major league game.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
I think in general scouts and such are getting better at identifying who has the potential "for injury" as opposed to the potential to "stay healthy"...if that makes any sense, but yeah anyoen of these guys can get hurt at any time, you're really jsut playing the percentages.
commisholio
Come out with your pants down!
Kinda reminds me of Dwight Gooden when he came up.
JMJ
Footballguy
I'm leaning 70/30 toward not starting Timmy vs. the Mets. If you remember, his only bad start came against the Phillies in his debut. Yes, lots of the was probably nerves, but lots of it was also the fact that the top of the Phil's order is loaded with good-hitting left-handers (Victorino switch, Rollins switch, Utley, Howard, etc) and they did most the damage. A lefty-heavy lineup like that could be hell for a right-hander.
The Mets lineup:
Reyes switch
Endy lefty
Beltran switch
Wright (RH hitter but batted .321 vs. righties last season & only .285 vs. lefties)
Delgago lefty
That is 4 of the top 5 batters in the lineup hitting left-handed with the only right-hander of the bunch hitting right-handed pitchers better then left-handed pitchers. Wright is also steaming hot right now with 8 HRs in his last 96 at bats (1 HR per 12 at bats).
Not being a homer, but being someone who thinks strategically before starting one of my pitchers; I'm not sure if tonight is a good night for Timmy to be in our lineups:
Timmy's WHIP vs. right-handed batters = 0.73
Timmy's WHIP vs. left-handed batters = 1.41
Timmy's .BA against vs. righties = .143
Timmy's .BA against vs. lefties = .267
Timmy has given up 3 HRs thus far .... all to lefties.
Think about it.
The Mets lineup:
Reyes switch
Endy lefty
Beltran switch
Wright (RH hitter but batted .321 vs. righties last season & only .285 vs. lefties)
Delgago lefty
That is 4 of the top 5 batters in the lineup hitting left-handed with the only right-hander of the bunch hitting right-handed pitchers better then left-handed pitchers. Wright is also steaming hot right now with 8 HRs in his last 96 at bats (1 HR per 12 at bats).
Not being a homer, but being someone who thinks strategically before starting one of my pitchers; I'm not sure if tonight is a good night for Timmy to be in our lineups:
Timmy's WHIP vs. right-handed batters = 0.73
Timmy's WHIP vs. left-handed batters = 1.41
Timmy's .BA against vs. righties = .143
Timmy's .BA against vs. lefties = .267
Timmy has given up 3 HRs thus far .... all to lefties.
Think about it.
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harryhood
Footballguy
I was thinking the same thing, however I am tops in offensive categories and last in WHIP. I cant get any worse than I am and if he does come out firing I dont want to lose those stats. If I was tops in many major pitching categories I would consider sitting him as well. Especially if you are on a league inning count. He will have much better starts, against much worse opposition. The mets can flat out mashI'm leaning 70/30 toward not starting Timmy vs. the Mets. If you remember, his only bad start came against the Phillies in his debut. Yes, lots of the was probably nerves, but lots of it was also the fact that the top of the Phil's order is loaded with good-hitting left-handers (Victorino switch, Rollins switch, Utley, Howard, etc) and they did most the damage. A lefty-heavy lineup like that could be hell for a right-hander.
The Mets lineup:
Reyes switch
Endy lefty
Beltran switch
Wright (RH hitter but batted .321 vs. righties last season & only .285 vs. lefties)
Delgago lefty
That is 4 of the top 5 batters in the lineup hitting left-handed with the only right-hander of the bunch hitting right-handed pitchers better then left-handed pitchers. Wright is also steaming hot right now with 8 HRs in his last 96 at bats (1 HR per 12 at bats).
Not being a homer, but being someone who thinks strategically before starting one of my pitchers; I'm not sure if tonight is a good night for Timmy to be in our lineups:
Timmy's WHIP vs. right-handed batters = 0.73
Timmy's WHIP vs. left-handed batters = 1.41
Timmy's .BA against vs. righties = .143
Timmy's .BA against vs. lefties = .267
Timmy has given up 3 HRs thus far .... all to lefties.
Think about it.
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Knightro
Footballguy
The struggles against lefties will continue until he refines his changeup. Even a great pitcher needs something offspeed to throw the opposite batter off.You can't be throwing out stats for a guy after his first three starts in the majors and imply results on his fourth start. That's being ridiculous.
That being said, it may be a decent idea to sit a guy going across the country, to face one of the best offensive teams in the league. I'm not sitting him, but I can't fault someone for micromanaging their own squad and resting a starter against the Mets here.
That being said, it may be a decent idea to sit a guy going across the country, to face one of the best offensive teams in the league. I'm not sitting him, but I can't fault someone for micromanaging their own squad and resting a starter against the Mets here.
JMJ
Footballguy
I always try and gauge my close pitching decisions on this:At this point in time now, which can your team stomach easier; a great start on your bench? or a miserable start in your lineup?For me I am leaning toward the great start on my bench. My offense has been slumping but are waking up and I am currently log jammed between two other competing teams in both WHIP and ERA. While a great start would be just that .... great, a terrible start would be worse then a great start would be good (I hope that last sentence made sense :( )As of now I'm still leaning toward not starting him but his "stuff" is just so ridiculously filthy that part of me still feels like it would be a mistake.
Domination
Footballguy
So you are okay with his 6.2 IP, 6 ER, 7 H, 1 BB, 6 K performance against the Phillies on June 3rd?
Your Mother
Footballguy
Do you ever contribute anything positive, porky?Lincecum is having big trouble out of the stretch, which isn't surprising given how little he's had to pitch out of it in his brief pro career.32/9 K-BB in 30 IP with bases empty, 10/8 K-BB in 14 IP with runners on. He's also having trouble with lefties, but these are correctable problems. I wouldn't dump him, but I would be careful with his matchups from here on.
Capella
Footballguy
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
His delivery reminds me of Hershiser's.
I think the same thing. I was watching video on mlb.com, and the guy broke down Lincecum's motion and claimed it was patterned after Koufax. I am still not sure where he came up with that. I'm with you. He reminds me a lot of Hershiser. He pitched a great game last night. Too bad they blew it in the 9th inning.
jagbag
Footballguy
He looked outstanding last night for eight innings, and I'm glad it was only eight.I saw him pitch in Wrigley, in July, against the Cubs and he looked very good then as well.,He's gonna be a great one.
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