the trouble with Cutler (1 Viewer)

[jadams209]

In smaller leagues, most people drafted Cutler as a backup to a "TOP" quarterback. With fantasy owners clamoring for Cutler, what would you think is a fair value for him? I think he can be a top 5 QB by seasons end but also assume that my other QB will finish around the same spot where Cutler lands. what is reasonable for cutler? is anyone else facing this situation? sure you could lose QB depth by dealing him but you should be able to get a nice upgrade at a weaker position.

here are some at each position that i think are comparable:

RB: Forte, Turner, Grant (basically a 10-15ish RB)

WRs: Burress, TJ Housh, (basically a second tier wide reciever)

TEs: Witten

am i over or under estimating his value>?

 

[HoTnickZ]

Deal the starter

 

[tomarken]

You do not trade The Romo of '08.

 

[Rovers]

Trade your "other" top QB.... not Cutler.

 

[a_troll00]

I offered Ryan Grant to a Cutler owner, he also has Peyton Manning and no real RBs (he drafted Manning in the first and Cutler in the fourth ). He turned me down.

 

[Prodigal19]

If your starting QB isnt named payton trade him.

 

[Glatty]

Trade your "other" top QB.... not Cutler.

exactly. if you believe in cutler, trade your starting QB, you'll get more value

 

[The Man With No Name]

I offered Ryan Grant to a Cutler owner, he also has Peyton Manning and no real RBs (he drafted Manning in the first and Cutler in the fourth ). He turned me down.

I have Cutler and Peyton, along with some decent rb's. Drafted both of them as rookies and they aren't going anywhere any time soon.It would take a lot to get either of them from me.

 

[bryan215]

help

10 team

2qb/2rb/3wr/1wr-rb td=6, 1-20pass, 1-10 rush/rec

5 points at 300, 5 points at 100/200 rush, 5 at 100 rec....ppr=1 per

currently have cutler,rodgers,delhomme and may pick up huard or kcollins at qb

offered larry johnson + desean jackson(eagles) + joey galloway or crayton for cutler + t.j. housh

my other rbs= westbrook, bjacobs, deangelo w, and ronnie n ricky

wrs= fitz, tj, greg jennings, ted ginn, vincent jackson

 

[Burning Sensation]

If your starting QB isnt named payton trade him.

Are there any QB's named Payton?

 

[Burning Sensation]

help10 team2qb/2rb/3wr/1wr-rb td=6, 1-20pass, 1-10 rush/rec5 points at 300, 5 points at 100/200 rush, 5 at 100 rec....ppr=1 percurrently have cutler,rodgers,delhomme and may pick up huard or kcollins at qboffered larry johnson + desean jackson(eagles) + joey galloway or crayton for cutler + t.j. houshmy other rbs= westbrook, bjacobs, deangelo w, and ronnie n rickywrs= fitz, tj, greg jennings, ted ginn, vincent jackson

C'mon, you have been here more than a year, you should know better by now.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I offered Ryan Grant to a Cutler owner, he also has Peyton Manning and no real RBs (he drafted Manning in the first and Cutler in the fourth ). He turned me down.

Not sure what you are laughing at, you just offered your 2nd round pick for his 4th round pick. I dont blame him for turning you down, i would too, unless i was completely desperate at RB, and even then, i would try to get a better RB.

 

[enfuego]

I like Cutler...a lot. In my dynasty league, I offered FWP straight up and was rejected by a guy who has Forte and just about no one else. He also has Garrard and Kitna.

 

[SSOG]

I like Cutler...a lot. In my dynasty league, I offered FWP straight up and was rejected by a guy who has Forte and just about no one else. He also has Garrard and Kitna.

I had Cutler and Roethlisberger in a dynasty league, and was loving every second of it. I finally was persuaded to let Cutler go because I had a competent #3 (Schaub), and because I had needs to address elsewhere. It took the #3 rookie draft pick to pry him away- I figured I'd be getting Mendenhall, but wound up lucking into Stewart, instead. That seems like a fair trade, to me- when I thought I was getting Mendenhall, I didn't feel like I was getting fair value in return, I was just taking what I could get. Stewart for Cutler seems like fair value, though.

 

[marcus allen]

My league's Cutler owner has Brees also; since both are hot I figure I'll wait till one has a bad game and then offer a trade. Keep in mind that when you make a trade offer after one good game the owner will smell the desire/desperation and most likely make you overpay.

 

[Burning Sensation]

My league's Cutler owner has Brees also; since both are hot I figure I'll wait till one has a bad game and then offer a trade. Keep in mind that when you make a trade offer after one good game the owner will smell the desire/desperation and most likely make you overpay.

Theres a risk to that, Cutler could really blow up once Marshall comes back, and you will pay even more. He might be more willing to get rid of one now for a fair price if it helps his team, nobody likes sitting guys that should be starting.

 

[glumpy]

My league's Cutler owner has Brees also; since both are hot I figure I'll wait till one has a bad game and then offer a trade. Keep in mind that when you make a trade offer after one good game the owner will smell the desire/desperation and most likely make you overpay.

Theres a risk to that, Cutler could really blow up once Marshall comes back, and you will pay even more. He might be more willing to get rid of one now for a fair price if it helps his team, nobody likes sitting guys that should be starting.

Brees/Cutler owner here. Sitting on both for now. Sure--somebody offer me a Willie Parker and I'll jump, but I don't see that happening in this league. With limited rosters nobody's really hurting yet at any position (but for the Brady owner of course), and there's waiver wire fodder to play with. Sure will be interesting if it gets to playing matchups with two top QB's!! I almost had that issue with Roethlisberger last year--but for the fact that he was matched up with Brady. What an excellent bye week play that was!!

 

[kerpow]

You do not trade The Romo of '08.

Posts like these make me happy.

 

[PatrickT]

The trouble with Cutler, in my opinion, is that he has the same bye week as Rodgers.

 

[IndyHavoc]

Wow, not to be a downer here...but can we see how Cutler and his O-line perform against an actual NFL level front 7 before annointing him for the FF HOF this year??! Man, this is the exact opposite as the "Sky is Falling" threads after week 1. Personally I thought he looked good whenever he had a clean pocket or they chose the quick roll to the side of the line that was overloaded. An actual NFL level defense and D.C. will sniff that out and put him on his #### 50% of the time on those. /shrug. Whenever he got pressured in the pocket he was throwing dirt balls that were either uncatchable or had the WR's going to the ground. I'm just not NEARLY as impressed as others here, I guess.

 

[Challenge Everything]

In all of my 12 team leagues, I was hoping to nab Cutler in the 8th or 9th to be my starter. I was only able to get him in one league as he was taken by others... as their backup before those rounds. I ended with Schaub as my starter but would have preferred Cutler. Most leagues did not draft Cutler to be their backup this year.

 

[Johnny Ice]

Wow, not to be a downer here...but can we see how Cutler and his O-line perform against an actual NFL level front 7 before annointing him for the FF HOF this year??! Man, this is the exact opposite as the "Sky is Falling" threads after week 1. Personally I thought he looked good whenever he had a clean pocket or they chose the quick roll to the side of the line that was overloaded. An actual NFL level defense and D.C. will sniff that out and put him on his #### 50% of the time on those. /shrug. Whenever he got pressured in the pocket he was throwing dirt balls that were either uncatchable or had the WR's going to the ground. I'm just not NEARLY as impressed as others here, I guess.

Cutler is the last person in the NFL who needs a clean pocket, they brought it up over and over during the entire broadcast. Playing at Vanderbilt allowed him to get very comfortable throwing passes in distress. He had the best QB rating in the league outside the pocket last year.

 

[mstewart39]

I had Cutler and Manning.

I had TJ & Junk at WR. I have M. Barber, LJ, & Turner at RB. (Start 2).

I traded Cutler & Turner to the guy who had Brady for Lynch & B. Edwards.

So now I'll start Manning, 2 from Barber, LJ, Lynch, TJ & Edwards. I think I got a huge bump. I traded 2 guys following a huge week. I hope they settle back down now! (I'd hate to trade the '08 Romo!)

 

[Jeff Haseley]

You do not trade The Romo of '08.

But would you trade him Peyton Manning straight up? What about Romo? If you think Cutler will finish as the #1 QB this year, I can see that logic, but would it be wise to trade him while his value is as high as it has ever been? Thoughts?

 

[Tubalcane]

Wow, not to be a downer here...but can we see how Cutler and his O-line perform against an actual NFL level front 7 before annointing him for the FF HOF this year??! Man, this is the exact opposite as the "Sky is Falling" threads after week 1. Personally I thought he looked good whenever he had a clean pocket or they chose the quick roll to the side of the line that was overloaded. An actual NFL level defense and D.C. will sniff that out and put him on his #### 50% of the time on those. /shrug. Whenever he got pressured in the pocket he was throwing dirt balls that were either uncatchable or had the WR's going to the ground. I'm just not NEARLY as impressed as others here, I guess.

Maybe you haven't been paying attention to the Denver offense the last decade. That roll out that you say "An actual NFL level defense and D.C." would sniff out, has yet to show after more than a decade of Shanahan and Broncos football. Even Bill Bellichek has had problems defending it and has admitted so on different occasions. Elway did it, Griese (I feel dirty for even typing that), Plummer did it, and now Cutler will do it. To stop that aspect of the Broncos game means to use less protections on the zone blocking that the Denver run game thrives on. You stop that, and the running attack thrives. That's why they do those roll outs. I guess the cliche would be: "easier said than done". Cutler looks good in the pockett when he has time (as all QBs do) and he struggles in the pockett when he doesn't have time (whick all QBs do). I have noticed over the last few years other teams starting to buckle down on the Denver run game. Whether it is a result of natural defensive adaptation, or progressively weaker talent at RB for Denver is up to debate. But Cutler will force defenses to concentrate on the pass, therefore opening it up so to speak for the run. In the end you'll get a nice balanced attack just like when Elway was running the show. And as far as those dirt balls that you say he was throwing, he was throwing them either away (as the announcer clearly alluded to and shanahan gave him a thumbs up for), or he was putting it where only his reciever could get it; kinda like Favre does. He has the arm strength to do that. Cutler looks like the next big thing to me. And by the way...I am biased.

 

[SSOG]

Wow, not to be a downer here...but can we see how Cutler and his O-line perform against an actual NFL level front 7 before annointing him for the FF HOF this year??! Man, this is the exact opposite as the "Sky is Falling" threads after week 1. Personally I thought he looked good whenever he had a clean pocket or they chose the quick roll to the side of the line that was overloaded. An actual NFL level defense and D.C. will sniff that out and put him on his #### 50% of the time on those. /shrug. Whenever he got pressured in the pocket he was throwing dirt balls that were either uncatchable or had the WR's going to the ground. I'm just not NEARLY as impressed as others here, I guess.

Cutler is the last person in the NFL who needs a clean pocket, they brought it up over and over during the entire broadcast. Playing at Vanderbilt allowed him to get very comfortable throwing passes in distress. He had the best QB rating in the league outside the pocket last year.

I agree that Cutler can thrive under pressure (although he can make some REALLY stupid mistakes, too), but his QB rating outside of the pocket isn't indicative of that. Most of the time Cutler has been throwing outside of the pocket, it has been because it was a designed rollout rather than because he was flushed out. The bootleg and rollout are possibly the most important plays in the Denver playbook, and almost certainly the hardest to defend. Cutler has the best QB rating out of the pocket for the same reason that Manning has the best QB rating on play action- it's his offense's bread and butter.

 

[crowe1130]

Keeping Cutler and shipping McNabb. Probably would have kept both as injury insurance, but I'm a Burleson-Colston casualty.

 

[JKL]

Wow, not to be a downer here...but can we see how Cutler and his O-line perform against an actual NFL level front 7 before annointing him for the FF HOF this year??! Man, this is the exact opposite as the "Sky is Falling" threads after week 1. Personally I thought he looked good whenever he had a clean pocket or they chose the quick roll to the side of the line that was overloaded. An actual NFL level defense and D.C. will sniff that out and put him on his #### 50% of the time on those. /shrug. Whenever he got pressured in the pocket he was throwing dirt balls that were either uncatchable or had the WR's going to the ground. I'm just not NEARLY as impressed as others here, I guess.

Oh, like playing last year against one of the hardest passing schedules last year, as a 24 year old, and posting a completion percentage above 63% and a yards per attempt of 7.5, all while playing with undiagnosed diabetes? Asomoghu is one of the best cover corners in the league. D Hall is overrated, but Cutler made him into his personal play toy on Monday night. Oh, and all this without his top receiver. It's not like Cutler came out of nowhere and no one was predicting that he might have a big season. Check out the Spotlight thread. Here's what I wrote, but there were plenty of people talking about Cutler's upside:

Cutler is the real deal, grab him in dynasty. Here is a set of similarity scores I wrote about at the PFR blog. When the names Montana, Brady, Aikman, Favre, Roethlisberger, Brees, Peyton and Jim Kelly are in your comp list at a similar age, the odds are we have a star on our hands. I expect a monster year sometime in the near future, I just don't know if it will be 2008. I still like him higher than his current ADP. The comp% might go down a bit due to regression, but I think the attempts go up, I see no reason that the YPA should go down, and I think he bumps up the td% in 2008.

I'll go with 320 for 520, 3950 pass yards, 28 pass td's, 15 int's, and another 100/1 on the ground.

The numbers match what my eyes tell me--Cutler is a star in the making. The only question to me was when, not based on him, but his supporting cast and surrounding situation. Enter Eddie Royal. I'm not saying Royal is the second coming of Anquan Boldin yet, but its fairly clear that he will be a decent upgrade over last year for a complement to Marshall starting this week. You bump Stokely and Jackson to #3 and #4, add in Scheffler, and those weapons look a lot better than they did six months ago. I'd rather take a chance and be ahead of the curve than behind it. I took Cutler as the 7th QB overall in my fantasy draft, at the start of round 6. Could I have waited based on his average ADP, maybe.

I'm going to say something heretical. You want Cutler's upside this year? Someone mentioned the Tony Romo of 2008. I think he has Brett Favre circa 1994-1995 upside. I'm not saying that Cutler will start for 15 consecutive years or break touchdown records or that he can book his ticket for Canton. I am saying that he profiles out similar to Favre at the same age with his efficiency. Favre was well above average in comp % and had decent but not great td totals by age 24, and shot up to 33 touchdown passes at age 25 (and went on to 38, 39 and 35 over the following three). I see Cutler staying good at what he was already good at as a first year starter last year (high comp% and ypa) and improving his td numbers this year with a better supporting cast and some defensive regression to the mean.

Do I trade Cutler. No, not unless you have Romo or Manning on your roster, AND someone is going to give you more for Cutler than they would for either of those two.

 

[glumpy]

Do I trade Cutler. No, not unless you have Romo or Manning on your roster, AND someone is going to give you more for Cutler than they would for either of those two.

And for those who do have Romo, Manning or Brees....what if you still don't?!! I haven't seen a trade yet within our league rules that I like too much, other than with one owner who doesn't need it--so it's matchup time!! jeeeezzzz...how to play matchups when you've got a pair who should be scoring no matter the match.....

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Brady victim here...the guy who owns Cutler also has and prefers to start McNabb.

I offered him Bowe. His current WR3 is A Gonzalez, M Clayton or M Muhammed. Nothing better on the wire. He turned me down.

 

[JohnW1970]

Trade Desean Foster and Reggie Williams in the offseason and got Cutler in return to backup Brees. Couldn't be happier to keep both.

 

[gump]

How many times have Shanny QB's finished in the top 5 again?

 

[stubby]

10 team non-PPR, 4pts-per-TD passing, start 3WR.

I have Cutler, and Brees. I also have Colston. One owner has sent 3 offers to me with various players, but all included Cutler. He had Hasslebeck and Garrard as his QBs. Finally, after much haggling, I sent him Cutler and V. Jackson (SD) for Reggie Wayne.

 

[SSOG]

Brady victim here...the guy who owns Cutler also has and prefers to start McNabb.I offered him Bowe. His current WR3 is A Gonzalez, M Clayton or M Muhammed. Nothing better on the wire. He turned me down.

I would turn you down cold for that, too. Cutler is worth much more than Bowe, and one week is too early to start getting desperate and accepting below market value.

 

[SSOG]

How many times have Shanny QB's finished in the top 5 again?

Plenty, especially if you factor in injuries. Plummer had a couple of top-5 seasons on a per-game basis. Griese had a couple, Elway had a couple. Steve Young had a few #1 overall seasons under Shanahan. Lots of history of QB success there.

 

[j3r3m3y]

help10 team2qb/2rb/3wr/1wr-rb td=6, 1-20pass, 1-10 rush/rec5 points at 300, 5 points at 100/200 rush, 5 at 100 rec....ppr=1 percurrently have cutler,rodgers,delhomme and may pick up huard or kcollins at qboffered larry johnson + desean jackson(eagles) + joey galloway or crayton for cutler + t.j. houshmy other rbs= westbrook, bjacobs, deangelo w, and ronnie n rickywrs= fitz, tj, greg jennings, ted ginn, vincent jackson

I would order the chicken fried steak. You can't go wrong with chicken fried steak.

 

[j3r3m3y]

How many times have Shanny QB's finished in the top 5 again?

Plenty, especially if you factor in injuries. Plummer had a couple of top-5 seasons on a per-game basis. Griese had a couple, Elway had a couple. Steve Young had a few #1 overall seasons under Shanahan. Lots of history of QB success there.

So six or seven over 20+ years?

 

[xenon]

Romo/Culter owner here. Most definitely, I am going to have to move one of them at some point. I am thin very thin at RB.....so the question begs, when is the appropriate time to make a move and does record dictate how quickly to make that move? and when does it become too late?

Then, the question becomes, which guy do you go with? Obviously, I drafted Romo to be my #1 QB. Having said that, I think at this point, the value of Romo can yield a better return. AS the season progresses, who knows who will yield the better return. Assuming Romo will continue to yeilf the better return, I gotta roll with it and upgrade where I can and hope that Cutler who as Dennis Green would say "is who we think he is".

Surely, I have to look ahead to playoff schedules and there are other variables to consider. My major concern: being in playoff contention and moving one of them only to have the one I kept get injured. No guts...no glory but if in playoff run, its a nice to have that insurance policy of both guys.

 

[SSOG]

How many times have Shanny QB's finished in the top 5 again?

Plenty, especially if you factor in injuries. Plummer had a couple of top-5 seasons on a per-game basis. Griese had a couple, Elway had a couple. Steve Young had a few #1 overall seasons under Shanahan. Lots of history of QB success there.

So six or seven over 20+ years?

More than that. Plummer was top 5 in 2004, and very well might have been barring injury in 2003. Griese would have been in 2000. Elway had 6 top-5 finishes, 12 top-10 finishes after Shanahan became his QB coach, and would have had another of each in 1998 without injury. IIRC, Young was #1 three times in three years with Shanahan in charge (with only one other #1 finish outside of that three year span). That's 12 top-5 finishes in 20+ years. You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone with a better record, actually- top-5 finishes are rarer than people seem to think.Especially if you consider Cutler to be closer to Elway/Young than Plummer/Griese.

 

[gump]

How many times have Shanny QB's finished in the top 5 again?

Plenty, especially if you factor in injuries. Plummer had a couple of top-5 seasons on a per-game basis. Griese had a couple, Elway had a couple. Steve Young had a few #1 overall seasons under Shanahan. Lots of history of QB success there.

So six or seven over 20+ years?

More than that. Plummer was top 5 in 2004, and very well might have been barring injury in 2003. Griese would have been in 2000. Elway had 6 top-5 finishes, 12 top-10 finishes after Shanahan became his QB coach, and would have had another of each in 1998 without injury. IIRC, Young was #1 three times in three years with Shanahan in charge (with only one other #1 finish outside of that three year span). That's 12 top-5 finishes in 20+ years. You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone with a better record, actually- top-5 finishes are rarer than people seem to think.Especially if you consider Cutler to be closer to Elway/Young than Plummer/Griese.

Great info

 

[Steeler43]

I offered Ryan Grant to a Cutler owner, he also has Peyton Manning and no real RBs (he drafted Manning in the first and Cutler in the fourth ). He turned me down.

I have Cutler and Peyton, along with some decent rb's. Drafted both of them as rookies and they aren't going anywhere any time soon.It would take a lot to get either of them from me.

Thanks for the info.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Brady victim here...the guy who owns Cutler also has and prefers to start McNabb.

I offered him Bowe. His current WR3 is A Gonzalez, M Clayton or M Muhammed. Nothing better on the wire. He turned me down.

I would turn you down cold for that, too. Cutler is worth much more than Bowe, and one week is too early to start getting desperate and accepting below market value.

His WR1 is Calvin Johnson. His WR2 is Berrian. We start 3 WRs. He had an opportunity for a huge upgrade at WR3 and arguably an upgrade at WR2 (have you seen Tavaris Jackson play?).I acquired an alternative top 10 QB in an equitable trade.

Now Cutler can rot on his bench, until later in the season when his weak WR situation manifests in a Cutler or MCNabb fire sale. The trade market is finite, and when owners try to strongarm someone trying to workthrough an injury situation, they end up paying for it later, provided that the original solicitor is unwilling to grab his ankles.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Brady victim here...the guy who owns Cutler also has and prefers to start McNabb.

I offered him Bowe. His current WR3 is A Gonzalez, M Clayton or M Muhammed. Nothing better on the wire. He turned me down.

I would turn you down cold for that, too. Cutler is worth much more than Bowe, and one week is too early to start getting desperate and accepting below market value.

His WR1 is Calvin Johnson. His WR2 is Berrian. We start 3 WRs. He had an opportunity for a huge upgrade at WR3 and arguably an upgrade at WR2 (have you seen Tavaris Jackson play?).I acquired an alternative top 10 QB in an equitable trade.

Now Cutler can rot on his bench, until later in the season when his weak WR situation manifests in a Cutler or MCNabb fire sale. The trade market is finite, and when owners try to strongarm someone trying to workthrough an injury situation, they end up paying for it later, provided that the original solicitor is unwilling to grab his ankles.

He will be able to get more for Cutler than Bowe in a week or two. Bowe is no prize in redrafts this year. It would take at least a Holmes/Jennings type WR for me to deal Cutler.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Brady victim here...the guy who owns Cutler also has and prefers to start McNabb.

I offered him Bowe. His current WR3 is A Gonzalez, M Clayton or M Muhammed. Nothing better on the wire. He turned me down.

I would turn you down cold for that, too. Cutler is worth much more than Bowe, and one week is too early to start getting desperate and accepting below market value.

His WR1 is Calvin Johnson. His WR2 is Berrian. We start 3 WRs. He had an opportunity for a huge upgrade at WR3 and arguably an upgrade at WR2 (have you seen Tavaris Jackson play?).I acquired an alternative top 10 QB in an equitable trade.

Now Cutler can rot on his bench, until later in the season when his weak WR situation manifests in a Cutler or MCNabb fire sale. The trade market is finite, and when owners try to strongarm someone trying to workthrough an injury situation, they end up paying for it later, provided that the original solicitor is unwilling to grab his ankles.

He will be able to get more for Cutler than Bowe in a week or two. Bowe is no prize in redrafts this year. It would take at least a Holmes/Jennings type WR for me to deal Cutler.

Not gonna argue any more, but I neglected to mention it's a 4 pt passing TD league.

 

[Challenge Everything]

How many times have Shanny QB's finished in the top 5 again?

Plenty, especially if you factor in injuries. Plummer had a couple of top-5 seasons on a per-game basis. Griese had a couple, Elway had a couple. Steve Young had a few #1 overall seasons under Shanahan. Lots of history of QB success there.

So six or seven over 20+ years?

How many coaches can say they had one top 5 QB in the last how many ever years you want to go back? Now, how many coaches can say they had 5, or 6, or 7 top 5 fantasy QB's in that same time frame?

 

[EmerilLIVE]

Brady victim here...the guy who owns Cutler also has and prefers to start McNabb.

I offered him Bowe. His current WR3 is A Gonzalez, M Clayton or M Muhammed. Nothing better on the wire. He turned me down.

I would turn you down cold for that, too. Cutler is worth much more than Bowe, and one week is too early to start getting desperate and accepting below market value.

His WR1 is Calvin Johnson. His WR2 is Berrian. We start 3 WRs. He had an opportunity for a huge upgrade at WR3 and arguably an upgrade at WR2 (have you seen Tavaris Jackson play?).I acquired an alternative top 10 QB in an equitable trade.

Now Cutler can rot on his bench, until later in the season when his weak WR situation manifests in a Cutler or MCNabb fire sale. The trade market is finite, and when owners try to strongarm someone trying to workthrough an injury situation, they end up paying for it later, provided that the original solicitor is unwilling to grab his ankles.

He will be able to get more for Cutler than Bowe in a week or two. Bowe is no prize in redrafts this year. It would take at least a Holmes/Jennings type WR for me to deal Cutler.

How can you possibly know this? Are you in the same league? It's quite possible to screw yourself over by over-valuing a player on your bench. This is basic economics, you do not determine the market value of the player, the market does. He is worth no more that what someone is willing to pay for him, and if you think otherwise you're delusional. He could break his arm next week and you're screwed. Also, the earlier you trade him the more value you get from the player(s) you get in return.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Brady victim here...the guy who owns Cutler also has and prefers to start McNabb.

I offered him Bowe. His current WR3 is A Gonzalez, M Clayton or M Muhammed. Nothing better on the wire. He turned me down.

I would turn you down cold for that, too. Cutler is worth much more than Bowe, and one week is too early to start getting desperate and accepting below market value.

His WR1 is Calvin Johnson. His WR2 is Berrian. We start 3 WRs. He had an opportunity for a huge upgrade at WR3 and arguably an upgrade at WR2 (have you seen Tavaris Jackson play?).I acquired an alternative top 10 QB in an equitable trade.

Now Cutler can rot on his bench, until later in the season when his weak WR situation manifests in a Cutler or MCNabb fire sale. The trade market is finite, and when owners try to strongarm someone trying to workthrough an injury situation, they end up paying for it later, provided that the original solicitor is unwilling to grab his ankles.

He will be able to get more for Cutler than Bowe in a week or two. Bowe is no prize in redrafts this year. It would take at least a Holmes/Jennings type WR for me to deal Cutler.

How can you possibly know this? Are you in the same league? It's quite possible to screw yourself over by over-valuing a player on your bench. This is basic economics, you do not determine the market value of the player, the market does. He is worth no more that what someone is willing to pay for him, and if you think otherwise you're delusional. He could break his arm next week and you're screwed. Also, the earlier you trade him the more value you get from the player(s) you get in return.

And Brees could break his arm next week, and you still have a top QB, instead of an average WR. I may not determine the market value, but i determine a players value. On top of that, why would i want to make an opponents team better if i gain very little in return.The OP mentions Berrian as the guys #2 WR, and that Bowe is an upgrade. He argues this on Tavaris Jackson being a bad QB, but gets bent out of shape when he wouldnt accept Bowe for a top 5 QB. Who is Bowes QB again?

Your post makes no sense, get rid of a top backup QB for the best offer you can get after week 1?

 

[dlptown]

I actually still like Berrian this year- Jackson actually threw some nice deep balls, most of which went to Berrian ( I think they missed an obvious interference call on A Harris). I just traded Cotchery for Cutler as I was deep at WR- also a Royal owner. Cutler should have a nice year, and I am on the bandwagon with everyone else on this thread.

 

[chris1969]

I've got Romo, Cutler, and picked up Cassel before anybody else got hold of him. Good thing I did because, Burleson went down for me right after that and my 3 WR's right now are Chambers, Mason, and Seneca Wallace. RB's are Bush, Graham, Portis, Forte, and Perry. I'm letting everyone in the league know that I will trade any of the 3 QB's and looking for multiple player deals that upgrade WR and/or RB. I'm really looking for a stud WR , but If I get that Stud RB I'll package a trade to upgrade WR.

The point is it's always better to offer a guy the choice at the position, as long as he knows you want more for the #1 guy than the #2 guy ect...

You'll be surprised every now and then for that offer for your #2 guy that somebody else thinks is your #1.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I've got Romo, Cutler, and picked up Cassel before anybody else got hold of him. Good thing I did because, Burleson went down for me right after that and my 3 WR's right now are Chambers, Mason, and Seneca Wallace. RB's are Bush, Graham, Portis, Forte, and Perry. I'm letting everyone in the league know that I will trade any of the 3 QB's and looking for multiple player deals that upgrade WR and/or RB. I'm really looking for a stud WR , but If I get that Stud RB I'll package a trade to upgrade WR.

The point is it's always better to offer a guy the choice at the position, as long as he knows you want more for the #1 guy than the #2 guy ect...

You'll be surprised every now and then for that offer for your #2 guy that somebody else thinks is your #1.

You might be better off trying to trade Romo, as he will bring back more in a trade, and Cutler could put up similar numbers. Maybe go after the Brady owner, he might be more desperate at QB than you are at WR.