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The Ukraine Polls (1 Viewer)
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AAABatteries
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As asked I went - No, Yes, No
1. Not obligated but usually in our best interest
2. Send them yes - I’m undecided on whether we should engage
3. No, cost of doing business
1. Not obligated but usually in our best interest
2. Send them yes - I’m undecided on whether we should engage
3. No, cost of doing business
James Daulton
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The US should send troops as a part of NATO. There needs to be a unified coalition of like minded countries to stand against the China and Russia.
ren hoek
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no, no & no
All we’ve done is overthrow the govt in Ukraine, then use them as a client for NATO expansion and our proxy war with Russia. It has made the region less safe and more given to extremism. In doing so we lent diplomatic & material support to the Azov Battalion, a neonazi paramilitary unit.
I remember people laughing when we suggested 4 years of Russiagate was a total disaster for US/Russian relations, and a precursor to potential war with Russia. Well here we are. To be clear it is pure insanity to keep militarizing Ukraine and badgering Russia, I hope Biden will de-escalate.
All we’ve done is overthrow the govt in Ukraine, then use them as a client for NATO expansion and our proxy war with Russia. It has made the region less safe and more given to extremism. In doing so we lent diplomatic & material support to the Azov Battalion, a neonazi paramilitary unit.
I remember people laughing when we suggested 4 years of Russiagate was a total disaster for US/Russian relations, and a precursor to potential war with Russia. Well here we are. To be clear it is pure insanity to keep militarizing Ukraine and badgering Russia, I hope Biden will de-escalate.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Ukraine feels different in my mind because of the Budapest Memorandum. Ukraine declares independence, has Soviet nukes in their territory, and gives them up in exchange of promises by the US and UK (and Russia) that they would refrain from the use of force on Ukraine.
Certainly wouldn’t be the first time a “treaty” was broken (it sort of already was in Donbas), but the US is more obligated here than if this was another non-NATO country imo.
Side note: if Russia does in fact invade, then any country with the means to develop nukes who doesn’t is insane, which is also why the US is forced to step up here.
Certainly wouldn’t be the first time a “treaty” was broken (it sort of already was in Donbas), but the US is more obligated here than if this was another non-NATO country imo.
Side note: if Russia does in fact invade, then any country with the means to develop nukes who doesn’t is insane, which is also why the US is forced to step up here.
Ukraine has its issues but is a functioning democracy. That is worth defending. Russia is a dictatorship with dreams of restoring their influence over eastern Europe. If we just let them invade Ukraine, where would it stop? Did they stop with Crimea?
I'm on record saying there will be no war in the Ukraine, because Russia won't risk having a direct conflict with NATO. But that means we have to defend Ukraine. Not just step aside. Appeasement never works.
I'm on record saying there will be no war in the Ukraine, because Russia won't risk having a direct conflict with NATO. But that means we have to defend Ukraine. Not just step aside. Appeasement never works.
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