Orange&Blue
Footballguy
I think it has to be a huge political win for Biden, and loss for trump, if Ukraine wins the war, no?
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*** Official Discussion of US Politics Resulting From The Ukraine Conflict *** aka Discuss what Donald and AOC said/tweeted here here (1 Viewer)
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timschochet
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Not so much a political win. The public doesn’t really care about stuff like this unless our own soldiers are involved, so I can’t see Biden benefiting politically.
But I think it demonstrates why Biden is superior to Trump in terms of foreign affairs. And it isn’t a red vs blue thing, because I’m 100% confident that every Republican US President in modern times, prior to Trump, would have behaved exactly the same way that Biden did. Some of them, like Reagan, might have gone even farther in their support for Ukraine and NATO.
No this is not a red vs blue thing and it’s ironic that I was accused of that in the other thread. It’s an isolationist vs internationalist thing, and nationalist vs globalist thing. Hopefully the results here will reinforce to thoughtful Americans which side we should be on.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
How can you even have this position? Tens of thousands of people have died, millions have been displaced. Yet Biden is superior to Trump in foreign affairs? What equivalent situation are we comparing here?
moleculo
Footballguy
Do you think Trump could have prevented the Ukraine war?
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
I'm not going to deal in hypotheticals. The only evidence we have is that Putin didn't invade the Ukraine during the Trump years.
timschochet
Footballguy
Rather than Biden vs Trump, it’s really more like Nixon and Ford and Carter and Reagan and Bush Sr. and Clinton and Bush Jr. and Obama and Biden…vs Trump.
Forget.Biden. What I’m telling you is that being pro-NATO and pro- international commitments is superior to being isolationist and nationalist.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
I wasn’t necessarily disagreeing with your position, I just didn’t agree with the thread you placed it in.
Here’s a fascinating thread that appears to support your position re: the long-term strategic wins the US may get from all of this. We’ll see if it manifests itself like this in the years to come:
themeistersinger
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Would Republicans Really Cut Off Ukraine?
It’s become hard to find a poll of American voters ahead of next month’s midterm elections that doesn’t portend disaster for the Democrats. Voters are breaking in the GOP’s direction,
www.commentary.org
rustycolts
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I've been watching this guy and his wife on YouTube for about two years now. They have a channel and talk about learning English from movies. Also about life in Russia I started watching these before the war.
He is Russian and from what I can tell a regular guy. I watched this tonight and found it interesting. He is talking about the mobilization and draft in Russia.
youtu.be
He is Russian and from what I can tell a regular guy. I watched this tonight and found it interesting. He is talking about the mobilization and draft in Russia.
Last news. Thoughts, plans ...
youtu.be
FairWarning
Footballguy
I have been watching them also, thanks to a recommendation from a poster. I’m a little surprised they are still making videos.I've been watching this guy and his wife on YouTube for about two years now. They have a channel and talk about learning English from movies. Also about life in Russia I started watching these before the war.
He is Russian and from what I can tell a regular guy. I watched this tonight and found it interesting. He is talking about the mobilization and draft in Russia.
Last news. Thoughts, plans ...
rustycolts
Footballguy
Yea me too. I figured the government would have shut them down by now. He doesn't really talk politics alot maybe that's why. In this one he was saying him and his family are buying airline tickets to travel but he is not sure they will let them leave. I'm thinking they may be trying to get out before he is drafted.I have been watching them also, thanks to a recommendation from a poster. I’m a little surprised they are still making videos.I've been watching this guy and his wife on YouTube for about two years now. They have a channel and talk about learning English from movies. Also about life in Russia I started watching these before the war.
He is Russian and from what I can tell a regular guy. I watched this tonight and found it interesting. He is talking about the mobilization and draft in Russia.
Last news. Thoughts, plans ...
themeistersinger
Footballguy
Ten Myths about US Aid to Ukraine
View PDF Ukraine is in a national struggle that will determine its geopolitical future: the country will either be a firm member of the Euro-Atlantic community or become a Russian colony. The outcome of this struggle will have long-term implications for America’s global interests, the future of...
Monty Burns
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GREAT read....Ten Myths about US Aid to Ukraine
View PDF Ukraine is in a national struggle that will determine its geopolitical future: the country will either be a firm member of the Euro-Atlantic community or become a Russian colony. The outcome of this struggle will have long-term implications for America’s global interests, the future of...www.hudson.org
ren hoek
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Practicing Nuclear Bomb Sharing
The Steadfast Noon exercise will practice a controversial arrangement known as nuclear sharing, under which the United States installs nuclear equipment on fighter jets of select non-nuclear NATO countries and train their pilots to carry out nuclear strike with U.S. nuclear bombs.
The arrangement is controversial because the United States as a party to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) has promised not to hand over nuclear weapons to other countries, and the non-nuclear countries in the sharing arrangement have promised not to receive nuclear weapons from the nuclear weapon states. In peacetime the nuclear weapons are under U.S. control, but the arrangement means that they would be handed over to the non-nuclear country in war time. The arrangement was in place before the NPT was signed so it is not a violation of the letter of the treaty. But it can be said to violate the spirit and has been an irritant for years.
NATO Steadfast Noon Exercise And Nuclear Modernization in Europe - Federation of American Scientists
[Updated version] Today, Monday October 17, 2022, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) will begin a two-week long exercise in Europe to train aircrews in using U.S. non-strategic nuclear bombs. The exercise, known as Steadfast Noon, is centered at Kleine Brogel Air Base in Belgium, one...
What would you say about NATO countries running exercises to arm non-nuclear countries with US nukes and strike with their fighter jets? The US practicing great restraint and diplomacy?
The General
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Dangerous waters we are in. I wouldn’t want anyone launching nukes on our behalf or us using someone as a proxy.Practicing Nuclear Bomb Sharing
The Steadfast Noon exercise will practice a controversial arrangement known as nuclear sharing, under which the United States installs nuclear equipment on fighter jets of select non-nuclear NATO countries and train their pilots to carry out nuclear strike with U.S. nuclear bombs.
The arrangement is controversial because the United States as a party to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) has promised not to hand over nuclear weapons to other countries, and the non-nuclear countries in the sharing arrangement have promised not to receive nuclear weapons from the nuclear weapon states. In peacetime the nuclear weapons are under U.S. control, but the arrangement means that they would be handed over to the non-nuclear country in war time. The arrangement was in place before the NPT was signed so it is not a violation of the letter of the treaty. But it can be said to violate the spirit and has been an irritant for years.
NATO Steadfast Noon Exercise And Nuclear Modernization in Europe - Federation of American Scientists
[Updated version] Today, Monday October 17, 2022, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) will begin a two-week long exercise in Europe to train aircrews in using U.S. non-strategic nuclear bombs. The exercise, known as Steadfast Noon, is centered at Kleine Brogel Air Base in Belgium, one...fas.org
What would you say about NATO countries running exercises to arm non-nuclear countries with US nukes and strike with their fighter jets? The US practicing great restraint and diplomacy?
There is no good answer here as Putin created this disaster. Ultimately I wouldn‘t support launching nukes into Russia but where does this stop if Putin doesn’t share this mindset about Ukraine?
themeistersinger
Footballguy
U.S. adversaries could exploit former Afghan commandos, Republican report says
Former Afghan security personnel with sensitive knowledge of U.S. operations left behind by the American evacuation operation are vulnerable to recruitment or coercion by Russia, China and Iran, Republican lawmakers said on Sunday, noting that President Joe Biden's administration failed to...
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