The weekly BS roughing the passer calls (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

It has reached biblical proportions. I watched Yeremiah Bell called on Tebow today with Tebow still throwing the football.

Clay Mathews called on Christian Ponder, just a brutal call.

This stuff is ridiculous. Just put flags on them and then we don't have to be subjected to this any more. They allow more in college than in the NFL.

 

[notdarkyet]

This week has been awful. I saw at least 3 that were complete garbage. The biggest problem is the complete lack of consistency on the calls.

 

[Hooper31]

Kam Chancellor with a sack of Colt McCoy today in the Seattle-Cleveland game. Helmet barely glanced off of the back of McCoy drawing the flag. It was embarrassing.

 

[az_prof]

It has reached biblical proportions. I watched Yeremiah Bell called on Tebow today with Tebow still throwing the football.Clay Mathews called on Christian Ponder, just a brutal call. This stuff is ridiculous. Just put flags on them and then we don't have to be subjected to this any more. They allow more in college than in the NFL.

I agree. I hate this stuff because it is so subjective.

 

[snorlax]

It seems every week there is at least one ridiculous roughing the passer call either for or against Green Bay. There is just no logic or consistency in the rule right now. The NFL really needs to step back and reevaluate their approach here because it is hurting the game.

As a side note, the process of a fine being given out for every legitimate roughing penalty is almost as stupid. Not only should people not be fined for these hits that usually aren't malicious when they already paid the penalty they "deserved" for it on the football field, but there's also an implicit admission of all the substandard and inconsistent officiating whenever a player somehow manages not to be fined for a penalty.

 

[Reepicheep]

The one against the Vikings seemed pretty borderline to too. Not egregious like the Matthews call but still.

 

[Run It Up]

And yet, the Falcons almost break Staffords ankle without drawing a flag - well after he had thrown the ball.

 

[gocuse3]

And yet, the Falcons almost break Staffords ankle without drawing a flag - well after he had thrown the ball.

that was after KVB was called for the worst one of the week as his helmet hit Ryans chest and they call helmet to helmet

 

[RUSF18]

And yet, the Falcons almost break Staffords ankle without drawing a flag - well after he had thrown the ball.

that was after KVB was called for the worst one of the week as his helmet hit Ryans chest and they call helmet to helmet

I didn't see this particular play, but I almost feel like this rule should be taken out of the hands of the officials on the field. The game moves too quickly and it's too easy to see something as helmet to helmet when in actuality it's the players' combined momentum that makes it appear that way.

 

[griff321]

It has reached biblical proportions. I watched Yeremiah Bell called on Tebow today with Tebow still throwing the football.

Clay Mathews called on Christian Ponder, just a brutal call.

This stuff is ridiculous. Just put flags on them and then we don't have to be subjected to this any more. They allow more in college than in the NFL.

I'll have to go watch the play again, but I'm pretty sure Clay left his feet and drove Ponder into the ground. I don't care who you are, if you leave your feet and drive a QB you're going to get a call even if it was a bit close as far as steps before Ponder got the ball out. It looked like a frustration cheap shot and deserved a call before things got worse. I think Ponder could have still had the ball and drew a roughing call.

 

[Crusaderfan]

And yet, the Falcons almost break Staffords ankle without drawing a flag - well after he had thrown the ball.

that was after KVB was called for the worst one of the week as his helmet hit Ryans chest and they call helmet to helmet

^^^ this was the one that popped into my mind when I saw this thread. Brutal call IMHO.

 

[belljr]

Kam Chancellor with a sack of Colt McCoy today in the Seattle-Cleveland game. Helmet barely glanced off of the back of McCoy drawing the flag. It was embarrassing.

Worst call by far.

 

[wadegarrett]

Kam Chancellor with a sack of Colt McCoy today in the Seattle-Cleveland game. Helmet barely glanced off of the back of McCoy drawing the flag. It was embarrassing.

Worst call by far.

one of the worst calls I've ever seen

 

[snogger]

It has reached biblical proportions. I watched Yeremiah Bell called on Tebow today with Tebow still throwing the football.

Clay Mathews called on Christian Ponder, just a brutal call.

This stuff is ridiculous. Just put flags on them and then we don't have to be subjected to this any more. They allow more in college than in the NFL.

I'll have to go watch the play again, but I'm pretty sure Clay left his feet and drove Ponder into the ground. I don't care who you are, if you leave your feet and drive a QB you're going to get a call even if it was a bit close as far as steps before Ponder got the ball out. It looked like a frustration cheap shot and deserved a call before things got worse. I think Ponder could have still had the ball and drew a roughing call.

a Couple plays later another GB Defender hit Ponder about as "late" as Matthews.. No penalty.. The only thing I saw different between the two is what you said.. Matthews wrapped up ponder and rove him to the ground. The other defender just hit Ponder and and didn't drive him into the ground.

Still think the only on Matthews was VERY questionable.. but it was the driving into the ground that brought the more so than the "late" hit.

 

[Kirby]

They are making up for it by not calling pass interference.

 

[RUSF18]

They are making up for it by not calling pass interference.

Unless you're Quentin Jammer.

 

[sho nuff]

It has reached biblical proportions. I watched Yeremiah Bell called on Tebow today with Tebow still throwing the football.

Clay Mathews called on Christian Ponder, just a brutal call.

This stuff is ridiculous. Just put flags on them and then we don't have to be subjected to this any more. They allow more in college than in the NFL.

I'll have to go watch the play again, but I'm pretty sure Clay left his feet and drove Ponder into the ground. I don't care who you are, if you leave your feet and drive a QB you're going to get a call even if it was a bit close as far as steps before Ponder got the ball out. It looked like a frustration cheap shot and deserved a call before things got worse. I think Ponder could have still had the ball and drew a roughing call.

Didn't leave his feet...didn't drive him to the ground. Actually rolled so as not to land on him.Frustration cheap shot? Are you freakin kidding me? Got to be with that comment.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It has reached biblical proportions. I watched Yeremiah Bell called on Tebow today with Tebow still throwing the football.

Clay Mathews called on Christian Ponder, just a brutal call.

This stuff is ridiculous. Just put flags on them and then we don't have to be subjected to this any more. They allow more in college than in the NFL.

I'll have to go watch the play again, but I'm pretty sure Clay left his feet and drove Ponder into the ground. I don't care who you are, if you leave your feet and drive a QB you're going to get a call even if it was a bit close as far as steps before Ponder got the ball out. It looked like a frustration cheap shot and deserved a call before things got worse. I think Ponder could have still had the ball and drew a roughing call.

Matt Moore was taking shot after shot on MNF last week and they never called the Jets one time. And as a Phnsfan I wasn't even mad because they were not late hits and they were not leading with the helmet. So now defensive players cannot drive guys into the turf?

Let's make that a rule for RBs, WRs, and TEs, no defenders can drive other players into the turf or anytime you leave your feet it's a 15 yard penalty and an automatic fine by the NFL. I am done watching these games. This is it, the last season I can honestly sit and watch this spit.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

This is not football, this is not the NFL. As others have said, the NFL has inducted guys into the Hall of Fame who built legacies by clobbering opposing players. And now they want to try and scale it back, make the game less violent, I get it and don't want the players subjected to unjust punishment but c'mon!!! To hear Mike Tirico on MNF say that they had to allow the WR to make a football move before they could make contact AFTER he catches the football?!

Please Roger, just change the name, the shield of the NFL can stay the same but instead just call it the National Flag League and then you can even open it up for females to participate. No more tackling, no more career knee injuries, no more long term headaches.

 

[Pipes]

It has reached biblical proportions. I watched Yeremiah Bell called on Tebow today with Tebow still throwing the football.

Clay Mathews called on Christian Ponder, just a brutal call.

This stuff is ridiculous. Just put flags on them and then we don't have to be subjected to this any more. They allow more in college than in the NFL.

I'll have to go watch the play again, but I'm pretty sure Clay left his feet and drove Ponder into the ground. I don't care who you are, if you leave your feet and drive a QB you're going to get a call even if it was a bit close as far as steps before Ponder got the ball out. It looked like a frustration cheap shot and deserved a call before things got worse. I think Ponder could have still had the ball and drew a roughing call.

Text book tackle and Clay put his shoulder into the midsection of Ponder a split second after he released the ball. No way Clay had time to pull up and while he did land on him, that's what happens when you tackle someone. I really don't know what these defenders can do nowadays.

 

[FavreCo]

Kam Chancellor with a sack of Colt McCoy today in the Seattle-Cleveland game. Helmet barely glanced off of the back of McCoy drawing the flag. It was embarrassing.

Worst call by far.

one of the worst calls I've ever seen

Wow. You guys watched that game? There should be medals awarded to all of you.

 

[Short Corner]

I am ok with it. Would rather see the QB afforded the extra protection than 30 Kyle Boller level back ups running things.

 

[Hooper31]

Kam Chancellor with a sack of Colt McCoy today in the Seattle-Cleveland game. Helmet barely glanced off of the back of McCoy drawing the flag. It was embarrassing.

Worst call by far.

one of the worst calls I've ever seen

Wow. You guys watched that game? There should be medals awarded to all of you.

I'm a Seattle fan. I've watched every down of Seahawk football since 1981. Been some pretty high highs and some pretty low lows. I'm guessing that you're right that not many people saw this play, but people across the NFL are missing something worth watching in the young Seattle safety duo. Thomas and Chancellor should be patrolling the defensive backfield for a long time.I think I understand Carey's mindset in making this call. If we go back to the adage we were all taught at a young age of "see what you hit" then Chancellor's hit looks worse than it is. However, he clearly didn't "spear" McCoy in the back with the crown of his helmet. It was much more of a glancing blow and the force of that hit came from his left shoulder.

 

[Master of Past and Present]

And yet, the Falcons almost break Staffords ankle without drawing a flag - well after he had thrown the ball.

The Falcon defender dove/lunged when he saw Stafford's arm in motion to throw the pass. He swung his arm trying to smack Stafford's arm and happened to land on him. What did you expect the guy to do, float? Ball in Stafford's arm, defender already in air

Sucks the guy happened to land on Stafford after the pass but he had to come down somewhere, he was committed to the attempt to hit his arm while the ball was still in hand.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Kam Chancellor with a sack of Colt McCoy today in the Seattle-Cleveland game. Helmet barely glanced off of the back of McCoy drawing the flag. It was embarrassing.

Worst call by far.

one of the worst calls I've ever seen

Wow. You guys watched that game? There should be medals awarded to all of you.

I'm a Seattle fan. I've watched every down of Seahawk football since 1981. Been some pretty high highs and some pretty low lows. I'm guessing that you're right that not many people saw this play, but people across the NFL are missing something worth watching in the young Seattle safety duo. Thomas and Chancellor should be patrolling the defensive backfield for a long time.

I think I understand Carey's mindset in making this call. If we go back to the adage we were all taught at a young age of "see what you hit" then Chancellor's hit looks worse than it is. However, he clearly didn't "spear" McCoy in the back with the crown of his helmet. It was much more of a glancing blow and the force of that hit came from his left shoulder.

And that play has been called repeatedly on WRs as well

 

[belljr]

Kam Chancellor with a sack of Colt McCoy today in the Seattle-Cleveland game. Helmet barely glanced off of the back of McCoy drawing the flag. It was embarrassing.

Worst call by far.

one of the worst calls I've ever seen

Wow. You guys watched that game? There should be medals awarded to all of you.

RedZone channel showed it

 

[griff321]

It has reached biblical proportions. I watched Yeremiah Bell called on Tebow today with Tebow still throwing the football.

Clay Mathews called on Christian Ponder, just a brutal call.

This stuff is ridiculous. Just put flags on them and then we don't have to be subjected to this any more. They allow more in college than in the NFL.

I'll have to go watch the play again, but I'm pretty sure Clay left his feet and drove Ponder into the ground. I don't care who you are, if you leave your feet and drive a QB you're going to get a call even if it was a bit close as far as steps before Ponder got the ball out. It looked like a frustration cheap shot and deserved a call before things got worse. I think Ponder could have still had the ball and drew a roughing call.

Text book tackle and Clay put his shoulder into the midsection of Ponder a split second after he released the ball. No way Clay had time to pull up and while he did land on him, that's what happens when you tackle someone. I really don't know what these defenders can do nowadays.

Maybe a few years ago, but that is no longer legal. Once Matthews had him wrapped up he continued to move and drove a defenseless player into the ground. That is textbook roughing and was a cheap shot likely from frustration with the Vikings mounting a bit of a comeback. Clay is an emotional guy and he let it get the best of him. He should see a letter from the league in a few days that outlines his fine.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81c8823a/article/leagues-official-player-safety-rules

2. Stuffing the Passer. A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as "stuffing" a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for above. When tackling a passer who is in a virtually defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender's weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player's arms.

 

[sho nuff]

It has reached biblical proportions. I watched Yeremiah Bell called on Tebow today with Tebow still throwing the football.

Clay Mathews called on Christian Ponder, just a brutal call.

This stuff is ridiculous. Just put flags on them and then we don't have to be subjected to this any more. They allow more in college than in the NFL.

I'll have to go watch the play again, but I'm pretty sure Clay left his feet and drove Ponder into the ground. I don't care who you are, if you leave your feet and drive a QB you're going to get a call even if it was a bit close as far as steps before Ponder got the ball out. It looked like a frustration cheap shot and deserved a call before things got worse. I think Ponder could have still had the ball and drew a roughing call.

Text book tackle and Clay put his shoulder into the midsection of Ponder a split second after he released the ball. No way Clay had time to pull up and while he did land on him, that's what happens when you tackle someone. I really don't know what these defenders can do nowadays.

Maybe a few years ago, but that is no longer legal. Once Matthews had him wrapped up he continued to move and drove a defenseless player into the ground. That is textbook roughing and was a cheap shot likely from frustration with the Vikings mounting a bit of a comeback. Clay is an emotional guy and he let it get the best of him. He should see a letter from the league in a few days that outlines his fine.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81c8823a/article/leagues-official-player-safety-rules

2. Stuffing the Passer. A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as "stuffing" a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for above. When tackling a passer who is in a virtually defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender's weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player's arms.

Seriously man...you need some help.

 

[Reepicheep]

"the defensive player must strive to ... cradle the passer"

Are you freaking kidding me? Cradle the passer? This is in the actual NFL rules?

 

[Oscar]

These calls are nothing compared to the wide receiver "soccer flops" that essentially happen now on every pass over 10 yards. You can't go three of these passes without the wide receiver standing up with his hands up looking at the refs to throw a flag for pass interference.

 

[Road Warriors]

"the defensive player must strive to ... cradle the passer"

Are you freaking kidding me? Cradle the passer? This is in the actual NFL rules?

That caught my eye, as well. Should he sing a lullaby, as well? F'n ridculous!

 

[FavreCo]

Kam Chancellor with a sack of Colt McCoy today in the Seattle-Cleveland game. Helmet barely glanced off of the back of McCoy drawing the flag. It was embarrassing.

Worst call by far.

one of the worst calls I've ever seen

Wow. You guys watched that game? There should be medals awarded to all of you.

RedZone channel showed it

We should be able to call up Direct TV and get a refund.

 

[sho nuff]

"the defensive player must strive to ... cradle the passer"

Are you freaking kidding me? Cradle the passer? This is in the actual NFL rules?

If Clay wouldn't have been so frustrated and a cheap shot artist...he would have laid him down on a memory foam pillow.

 

[Pipes]

It has reached biblical proportions. I watched Yeremiah Bell called on Tebow today with Tebow still throwing the football.

Clay Mathews called on Christian Ponder, just a brutal call.

This stuff is ridiculous. Just put flags on them and then we don't have to be subjected to this any more. They allow more in college than in the NFL.

I'll have to go watch the play again, but I'm pretty sure Clay left his feet and drove Ponder into the ground. I don't care who you are, if you leave your feet and drive a QB you're going to get a call even if it was a bit close as far as steps before Ponder got the ball out. It looked like a frustration cheap shot and deserved a call before things got worse. I think Ponder could have still had the ball and drew a roughing call.

Text book tackle and Clay put his shoulder into the midsection of Ponder a split second after he released the ball. No way Clay had time to pull up and while he did land on him, that's what happens when you tackle someone. I really don't know what these defenders can do nowadays.

Maybe a few years ago, but that is no longer legal. Once Matthews had him wrapped up he continued to move and drove a defenseless player into the ground. That is textbook roughing and was a cheap shot likely from frustration with the Vikings mounting a bit of a comeback. Clay is an emotional guy and he let it get the best of him. He should see a letter from the league in a few days that outlines his fine.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81c8823a/article/leagues-official-player-safety-rules

2. Stuffing the Passer. A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as "stuffing" a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for above. When tackling a passer who is in a virtually defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender's weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player's arms.

Christian Ponder himself didn't think it was a penalty. Dan Patrick asked him about it this morning and Ponder wasn't certain what the penalty even was. He thought helmet to helmet maybe. Which obviously wasn't the case.

 

[xenith]

And yet, the Falcons almost break Staffords ankle without drawing a flag - well after he had thrown the ball.

The Falcon defender dove/lunged when he saw Stafford's arm in motion to throw the pass. He swung his arm trying to smack Stafford's arm and happened to land on him. What did you expect the guy to do, float? Ball in Stafford's arm, defender already in air

Sucks the guy happened to land on Stafford after the pass but he had to come down somewhere, he was committed to the attempt to hit his arm while the ball was still in hand.

This is the one that really irritates me. Similar situation to Tamba Hali for hitting Carson Palmer below the knee. When a defender is falling down or off balance already, what exactly are they expected to do? Pull up, grab a handful of grass, toss it up to test the wind vector, pull out his smartphone and order pizza for after the game, then proceed to sack the QB?

 

[Insein]

Kam Chancellor with a sack of Colt McCoy today in the Seattle-Cleveland game. Helmet barely glanced off of the back of McCoy drawing the flag. It was embarrassing.

Worst call by far.

one of the worst calls I've ever seen

I was screaming at the TV when I saw it and I have no affiliation to seattle or cleveland. It was awful.

 

[B Maverick]

They are making up for it by not calling pass interference.

Unless you're Quentin Jammer.

He gets a for just being near the play. He has a bad rap but only about 50% of the calls on him are correct now. A couple years ago nearly all were. Now the Ref sees his name and throws a flag....

 

[Run It Up]

And yet, the Falcons almost break Staffords ankle without drawing a flag - well after he had thrown the ball.

The Falcon defender dove/lunged when he saw Stafford's arm in motion to throw the pass. He swung his arm trying to smack Stafford's arm and happened to land on him. What did you expect the guy to do, float? Ball in Stafford's arm, defender already in air

Sucks the guy happened to land on Stafford after the pass but he had to come down somewhere, he was committed to the attempt to hit his arm while the ball was still in hand.

He was out of the pocket, but incidentally landing on a QBs lower leg/ankle with no attempt to miss or brace himself should draw a flag. Not saying the guy should get fined but watching it in action made it look terrible.

 

[GroveDiesel]

And yet, the Falcons almost break Staffords ankle without drawing a flag - well after he had thrown the ball.

The Falcon defender dove/lunged when he saw Stafford's arm in motion to throw the pass. He swung his arm trying to smack Stafford's arm and happened to land on him. What did you expect the guy to do, float? Ball in Stafford's arm, defender already in air

Sucks the guy happened to land on Stafford after the pass but he had to come down somewhere, he was committed to the attempt to hit his arm while the ball was still in hand.

He was out of the pocket, but incidentally landing on a QBs lower leg/ankle with no attempt to miss or brace himself should draw a flag. Not saying the guy should get fined but watching it in action made it look terrible.

You're being goofy. That play was 100% legit. Just bad luck that the guy landed on Stafford's leg the way he did. That's just football. That kind of thing happens to linemen all the time. And I say this as a guy with Stafford on two of my 3 fantasy teams. Just because a QB got hurt doesn't mean there was a penalty on the play.

 

[Dvorak]

Kam Chancellor with a sack of Colt McCoy today in the Seattle-Cleveland game. Helmet barely glanced off of the back of McCoy drawing the flag. It was embarrassing.

Worst call by far.

one of the worst calls I've ever seen

Browns fan here, so I know really bad calls when I see them (usually the other way). The Seahawks got jobbed.

 

[Reepicheep]

Kam Chancellor with a sack of Colt McCoy today in the Seattle-Cleveland game. Helmet barely glanced off of the back of McCoy drawing the flag. It was embarrassing.

Worst call by far.

one of the worst calls I've ever seen

I was screaming at the TV when I saw it and I have no affiliation to seattle or cleveland. It was awful.

I have completed my review of the play. It's clear that Chancellor did not cradle the passer gently enough.

 

[Hooper31]

Kam Chancellor with a sack of Colt McCoy today in the Seattle-Cleveland game. Helmet barely glanced off of the back of McCoy drawing the flag. It was embarrassing.

Worst call by far.

one of the worst calls I've ever seen

I was screaming at the TV when I saw it and I have no affiliation to seattle or cleveland. It was awful.

I have completed my review of the play. It's clear that Chancellor did not cradle the passer gently enough.

If you review the play again you might notice that Kam was gently stroking Colt's inner thigh on the way to the ground. That could be considered a sort of cradling. Further, Colt might have indicated with a slight smile that he was enjoying the rough stuff so Kam went into Bam-Bam-Kam mode. However, when impacting the ground Colt didn't appear to be enjoying the play any longer because it didn't immediately result in a happy ending.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I saw a few today but we need to expand the to all roughing calls not just the QB.

 

[Fensalk]

It has reached biblical proportions. I watched Yeremiah Bell called on Tebow today with Tebow still throwing the football.Clay Mathews called on Christian Ponder, just a brutal call. This stuff is ridiculous. Just put flags on them and then we don't have to be subjected to this any more. They allow more in college than in the NFL.

I'm starting to think this WILL end with the NFL putting flags on the QB.