Leeroy Jenkins
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Yea so? He was there so Avon KNEW WHO took the torch from him.
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southeastjerome
Footballguy
I've gotten through the first 4 seasons. Good stuff. I've read and heard that season 5 is a let down and by far the worst. Is it worth watching?
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Absolutely.
Chaka
Footballguy
You watch four seasons and are really questioning whether or not to watch the fifth?Season 2 was the low water mark for me, but even the low water mark was still pretty high.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
It was still a good season and Ziggy was awesome and it was an important season because it introduced The Greek but I didn't find unions and dock workers nearly as interesting as watching corner kids, which is what the show is really all about. They spend a lot of time in the news room in season 5 as well but I think they did a better job of tying that storyline in to streets than they did in season two.Just my opinion.Season two might be my favorite.
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
I think that, while the majority of fans would pick season 2 and/or 5 as their least favorite (and I wouldn't necessarily disagree), the show isn't nearly as great without them, if that makes sense.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
For some people, Angelina Jolie was a let down from Jennifer Aniston for Brad Pitt.I think you get the point that it is all relative.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Angelina Jolie is objectively not attractive.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don't think the show was about the corner kids any more than it was about the Baltimore city government. The show was about crime, corruption and the lives caught in the machine. S1: Intro to the street level drug game. S2: How do the drugs get to the streets? S3: How come powers at be aren't able to stop it? S4: How do so many young people get sucked into the machine? S5: Why isn't the media exposing the truth?It was still a good season and Ziggy was awesome and it was an important season because it introduced The Greek but I didn't find unions and dock workers nearly as interesting as watching corner kids, which is what the show is really all about. They spend a lot of time in the news room in season 5 as well but I think they did a better job of tying that storyline in to streets than they did in season two.Just my opinion.
Tom Hagen
Footballguy
I always thought the show was mainly about the failure of the institutions that are supposed to protect us:Season 1: PoliceSeason 2: Organized laborSeason 3: PoliticiansSeason 4: Public schoolsSeason 5: Media
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Season 2 was unlike anything I've ever seen in a movie or a TV show.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
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southeastjerome
Footballguy
Not really, just read some negative stuff about it, wanted to read some positive stuff about the final season.
mr. furley
Footballguy
didn't Avon not have any idea what Marlo looked like until that scene?
Apple Jack
Footballguy
4213....5
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
4 was good, but they should have had the corner boys shake hands and fist bump more often after making comments.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I think most would have 5 as their least favorite because the media angle was less compelling and interesting than what the other seasons offered, however the last few episodes are excellent and the series finale is testament to how great the show was.'southeastjerome said:Not really, just read some negative stuff about it, wanted to read some positive stuff about the final season.'Chaka said:
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
That and the fact that McNulty's scheme was by far the most unrealistic thing to happen on the series. It just took things too far for me, although the remaining themes and what happened in season 5, particularly the last third of the season and the finale itself was great TV.I think most would have 5 as their least favorite because the media angle was less compelling and interesting than what the other seasons offered, however the last few episodes are excellent and the series finale is testament to how great the show was.'southeastjerome said:Not really, just read some negative stuff about it, wanted to read some positive stuff about the final season.'Chaka said:
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
These two interpretations aren't mutually exclusive. Both are pretty good.'Tom Hagen said:
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Everybody always seems to say this while giving them a pass for Hamsterdam. I think the McNulty thing is more likely than Bunny's.That and the fact that McNulty's scheme was by far the most unrealistic thing to happen on the series. It just took things too far for me, although the remaining themes and what happened in season 5, particularly the last third of the season and the finale itself was great TV.I think most would have 5 as their least favorite because the media angle was less compelling and interesting than what the other seasons offered, however the last few episodes are excellent and the series finale is testament to how great the show was.'southeastjerome said:Not really, just read some negative stuff about it, wanted to read some positive stuff about the final season.'Chaka said:
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
I loved Hamsterdam but hated the McNulty scheme. The specific details of Hamsterdam were unrealistic, but the idea of it has been discussed and tried in other places, and I thought it also fit with the overall broad public policy stuff that the show was always mindful of. The McNulty serial killer was just dumb.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
I loved Hamsterdam and hated the McNulty scheme, too. I think that everyone can agree on. But the realistic issue seems at odds with reality. Just because many of us would like to see something like Hamsterdam given a shot, doesn't mean that it's realistic. Where has the idea been "tried other places?" Link? I've never heard of a city in the US doing that in my lifetime.
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
Yeah, not the U.S. -- in Zurich Switzerland. But the real Baltimore mayor did call for the legalization of drugs. It's not like the whole concept was made out of thin air.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
I've actually had lunch with Kurt Schmoke. I know him. I'm just saying a cop actually executing something like that...the McNulty thing is way more likely to happen in reality. Cops monkeying with homicide investigations to cut corners to reach an end goal they see as just...that happens all the time. Just off the top of my head, look at the West Memphis Three. A cop opening a legal drug market in the middle of a city? No. But I'm glad they did it.
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Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
OK, I guess I was just trying to say that Hamsterdam was good TV, McNulty thing wasn't. I'm willing to suspend disbelief a bit for an interesting story.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
I'm definitely with you there. Like I said, I loved the Hamsterdam thing and didn't care for the McNulty thing. But once I stepped back and thought about it, I realized my reasons were backwards.
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
I guess I also think that the demise of Hamsterdam felt very real, and that was really the point. It was just a really vivid example of how innovative ideas get crushed in that environment.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Hamsterdam was one of my favorite parts of the wire. as you can probably tell.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Surprised you were able to live there.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
thats just how i roll.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Michael ----------> 
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Speaking of Michael, I just watched the episode where Chris killed Bug's father. Man, that's tough to watch. Did Chris beat him so savagely simply because he sexually abused Michael, or because he, himself, had been sexually abused? I lean towards the latter. That beating appeared to be very personal.
The Ref
Footballguy
Equal parts of both. It did seem very personal.
The Ref
Footballguy
And by that, I assume you mean the political environment. And that was the whole point of the season.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
So I'm watching a little bit of season 5 today. Hadn't seen it in a while because it's not exactly my favorite season. One of the newspaper editors had such a familiar face, but I couldn't place where I'd seen him. Then it finally hit me...
It's GALE from Breaking Bad.
It's GALE from Breaking Bad.
Pretty easy guy to spot. Recognized him from The Wire as soon as he showed up on Breaking Bad.So I'm watching a little bit of season 5 today. Hadn't seen it in a while because it's not exactly my favorite season. One of the newspaper editors had such a familiar face, but I couldn't place where I'd seen him. Then it finally hit me...
It's GALE from Breaking Bad.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Yeah, just one of those faces that can drive you crazy. I had to run through all my favorite shows until it came to me.Pretty easy guy to spot. Recognized him from The Wire as soon as he showed up on Breaking Bad.So I'm watching a little bit of season 5 today. Hadn't seen it in a while because it's not exactly my favorite season. One of the newspaper editors had such a familiar face, but I couldn't place where I'd seen him. Then it finally hit me...
It's GALE from Breaking Bad.
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
For the next assignment class I will need you to compare the demise of Avon Barksdale to the demise of the media (especially the print media) shown in series five.
Also in his eyes everyone knows D'Angelo is Hamlet and Avon Barksdale is Claudius. ... to compare and contrast the different interpretations through the eyes of these characters. For bonus points compare it to this two quote specifically:
"To die, to sleep;
To sleep perchance to dream, ay there's the rub:
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil
Must give us pause."
"In this country? Somebody's name has got to be on a piece of paper. A cousin, a girlfriend, a grandmother, a lieutenant he can trust. Somebody's name is on a piece of paper. And here's the rub: you follow drugs you get drug addicts and drug dealers. But you start to follow the money and you don't know where the #### it's gonna take you."
Also in his eyes everyone knows D'Angelo is Hamlet and Avon Barksdale is Claudius. ... to compare and contrast the different interpretations through the eyes of these characters. For bonus points compare it to this two quote specifically:
"To die, to sleep;
To sleep perchance to dream, ay there's the rub:
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil
Must give us pause."
"In this country? Somebody's name has got to be on a piece of paper. A cousin, a girlfriend, a grandmother, a lieutenant he can trust. Somebody's name is on a piece of paper. And here's the rub: you follow drugs you get drug addicts and drug dealers. But you start to follow the money and you don't know where the #### it's gonna take you."
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jwb
Footballguy
I really liked season 5 in terms of the newsroom/etc. Very interestng to see a reporter as corrupt as the people he's reporting on, and see how the newspapers are really under pressure.
The McNulty scheme wasn't that great, but I can give it a pass.
For me, it's hard to pick a favorite season. Or a worst one.
The McNulty scheme wasn't that great, but I can give it a pass.
For me, it's hard to pick a favorite season. Or a worst one.
Chaka
Footballguy
Raider Nation
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Is that first one McNutty or Conan O'Brien?'Chaka said:I MUST HAVE THOSE!'Charlie Frown said:
The Ref
Footballguy
I'm floored that BHO would have watched The Wire. From Gawker.com
http://gawker.com/5889672/barack-obama-says-omar-was-the-best-wire-character-of-all-time
Barack Obama Says Omar Was the Best Wire Character of All Time
President Obama was the featured guest on Bill Simmons podcast The B.S. Report this week, and revealed himself as a fan of Omar Little, gay mass-murdering drug dealer from The Wire.
BS: Settle an office debate. Best Wire character of all time?
Obama: It's got to be Omar, right? I mean, that guy is unbelievable, right?
BS: We might break this down as like a March Madness bracket, and I think he's going to be the no. 1 seed. [Laughter.] Everyone is in on Omar, it seems like.
Obama: He's got to be the no. 1 seed. I mean, what a combination. And that was one of the best shows of all time.
BS: Yes, I agree with you.
Obama: Yes, it was a great show.
http://gawker.com/5889672/barack-obama-says-omar-was-the-best-wire-character-of-all-time
Barack Obama Says Omar Was the Best Wire Character of All Time
President Obama was the featured guest on Bill Simmons podcast The B.S. Report this week, and revealed himself as a fan of Omar Little, gay mass-murdering drug dealer from The Wire.
BS: Settle an office debate. Best Wire character of all time?
Obama: It's got to be Omar, right? I mean, that guy is unbelievable, right?
BS: We might break this down as like a March Madness bracket, and I think he's going to be the no. 1 seed. [Laughter.] Everyone is in on Omar, it seems like.
Obama: He's got to be the no. 1 seed. I mean, what a combination. And that was one of the best shows of all time.
BS: Yes, I agree with you.
Obama: Yes, it was a great show.
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
I heard Mitt Romney's favorite was Ziggy.
scoobygang
Footballguy
The actor who played Poot is selling his book on the street corner outside my office. I now have my officially autographed copy of Tray Chaney's The TRUTH YOU CAn'T beTRAY. Idiosyncratic capitalization is reported accurately.
On the inside cover, he writes "To: [scoobygang]- B Inspired! Tray "Poot" Chaney." And then there is another signature I don't recognize.
On the inside cover, he writes "To: [scoobygang]- B Inspired! Tray "Poot" Chaney." And then there is another signature I don't recognize.
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