The Wire (1 Viewer)

[Marc Levin]

"funny" that he went out offerring a proposition to disappear

Marlo learned where to get the dope and where to clean the money. Joe became useless.

Marlo's king til Omar comes calling at least.

I'm still hoping Avon has something up his sleeve.

Avon gave Marlo the dope stream, not Joe. That was Avon's play. Joe showed him how to clean the cash and what lawyer to use - Joe was being a good commission member.

Precisely. That's why I hope Avon was using that to set up a larger move wherein the Barksdale crew takes back the streets.

There's no Barksdale crew left on the streets, he lacks the Baltimore muscle since his muscle man (Slim) went to prop Joe and is now on the run, and he's in jail for a looooong time w/o hope of parole. I think you saw those two characters in a cameo for sentimental reasons.With 5 episodes left, adding Avon back into the street mix gets way too complicated.

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After failing to kill Omar, Chris - and likely Michael - will fall to his shotgun. I've been seeing the "warrior" clash between Omar and Chris coming since last year. But Omar won't get to Marlow. At least that is how I see it.

Any thoughts on where he went after he leapt? I think he somehow made it to the lower balcony even though it looked like he jumped out to the street, I think he jumped out, spun, and grabbed a lower balcony and swung in - that fall would have busted both his knees and/or cracked his back*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

 

[Marc Levin]

Why did he kill Fat Joe?

1) PROP Joe, as in Proposition (because he always has a business proposition for you).2) Marlow wanted to be king and he already went around Joe to the supply.3) The Greeks essentially told Marlow his money was not impressive "because they have Joe" Without Joe, they would need to deal with Marlow for distribution.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

"funny" that he went out offerring a proposition to disappear

Marlo learned where to get the dope and where to clean the money. Joe became useless.

Marlo's king til Omar comes calling at least.

I'm still hoping Avon has something up his sleeve.

Avon gave Marlo the dope stream, not Joe. That was Avon's play. Joe showed him how to clean the cash and what lawyer to use - Joe was being a good commission member.

Precisely. That's why I hope Avon was using that to set up a larger move wherein the Barksdale crew takes back the streets.

There's no Barksdale crew left on the streets, he lacks the Baltimore muscle since his muscle man (Slim) went to prop Joe and is now on the run, and he's in jail for a looooong time w/o hope of parole. I think you saw those two characters in a cameo for sentimental reasons.With 5 episodes left, adding Avon back into the street mix gets way too complicated.

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After failing to kill Omar, Chris - and likely Michael - will fall to his shotgun. I've been seeing the "warrior" clash between Omar and Chris coming since last year. But Omar won't get to Marlow. At least that is how I see it.

Any thoughts on where he went after he leapt? I think he somehow made it to the lower balcony even though it looked like he jumped out to the street, I think he jumped out, spun, and grabbed a lower balcony and swung in - that fall would have busted both his knees and/or cracked his back*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

Yeah, I guess there isn't enough time left, and I had forgotten how long Avon is going to be locked up for. I was thinking perhaps he was getting Prop Joe out of the way in order to elevate Marlow (who would almost definitely destroy the co-op), then have Slim Charles turn on him and take Marlow out, setting the stage for Avon's return to power. Could have been a good storyline, IMO, but you're right, it ain't happening.

 

[menobrown]

Only characters left I care about are McNutty, Lester, Bunk and Omar.Prop Joe:

I've got a lot of characters left I still care about but Bunk is not of them. His character just never seemed to add much, at least for me.

 

[Marc Levin]

I forgot about Bubs - I care about him, too.

 

[Hellfire Snail]

"funny" that he went out offerring a proposition to disappear

Marlo learned where to get the dope and where to clean the money. Joe became useless.

Marlo's king til Omar comes calling at least.

I'm still hoping Avon has something up his sleeve.

Avon gave Marlo the dope stream, not Joe. That was Avon's play. Joe showed him how to clean the cash and what lawyer to use - Joe was being a good commission member.

Precisely. That's why I hope Avon was using that to set up a larger move wherein the Barksdale crew takes back the streets.

There's no Barksdale crew left on the streets, he lacks the Baltimore muscle since his muscle man (Slim) went to prop Joe and is now on the run, and he's in jail for a looooong time w/o hope of parole. I think you saw those two characters in a cameo for sentimental reasons.With 5 episodes left, adding Avon back into the street mix gets way too complicated.

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After failing to kill Omar, Chris - and likely Michael - will fall to his shotgun. I've been seeing the "warrior" clash between Omar and Chris coming since last year. But Omar won't get to Marlow. At least that is how I see it.

Any thoughts on where he went after he leapt? I think he somehow made it to the lower balcony even though it looked like he jumped out to the street, I think he jumped out, spun, and grabbed a lower balcony and swung in - that fall would have busted both his knees and/or cracked his back*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

 

[Marc Levin]

 

[corpcow]

I forgot about Bubs - I care about him, too.

 

[Marc Levin]

I forgot about Bubs - I care about him, too.

You may be right - I actually agree. I'm just responding to let you know that spoiler tabs as per your statement were not necessary. For mine, they were b/c they related to events in ep. 55.Since the series opened up with a lot of Bubs, I expect them to finish his redemption/falling/redemption/falling storyline before the show ends, but who knows? We may just see Bubs falling off the wagon and the show closes with him walking down the street selling "whitey tops." Still surviving (cause he's a survivor) but not surviving well (because he falls down a lot).

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

The story line that they are using to indict Clay Davis is exactly what happened to the former police commissioner of Baltimore, Ed Norris. He plays a detective on the show. This whole show seems to border on actual events that happened in the city while David Simon was here.

It does. The characters are based on real people and events or are combinations of 2 or more people. Bubbles was real and died from AIDS IIRC.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Only characters left I care about are McNutty, Lester, Bunk and Omar.Prop Joe:

I've got a lot of characters left I still care about but Bunk is not of them. His character just never seemed to add much, at least for me.

I love The Bunk.

 

[Big_Russel]

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After failing to kill Omar, Chris - and likely Michael - will fall to his shotgun. I've been seeing the "warrior" clash between Omar and Chris coming since last year. But Omar won't get to Marlow. At least that is how I see it.

Any thoughts on where he went after he leapt? I think he somehow made it to the lower balcony even though it looked like he jumped out to the street, I think he jumped out, spun, and grabbed a lower balcony and swung in - that fall would have busted both his knees and/or cracked his back*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

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No he really did fall to the ground. He broke his ankle. You will see it (his ankle) get worse over the next two episodes. In 56, he will stick up one of the members of the Co-op with a broken beer bottle (from behind) and take the guys .45. He will then tell him to get word to Marlo that he is calling him out as a #####, and that he isn't man enough to come down to the street with Omar. Later in the episode he robs one of Marlo's $$ transports, shooting the carrier in the leg with a buck shot, and burning all of the cash up in their (vacated) SUV. He tells the kid he shoots, to get word to Marlo that he's gonna keep coming at him until he comes down to the street like a man.

In Episode 58, Omar is limping around with a full blown cane (broomstick). He sticks up Micheal's corner after shooting former Barksdale/current Stanfield muscle Savino in the back of the head. He takes Michael's gun, and tells him to relay another message to Marlo, that he killed Savino and he is going to keep dropping all of the Stanfield muscle until he comes out from hiding like a #####. Chris and Snoop meanwhile are hiding in some run down stash house; Chris is getting anxious and fretting about not being able to contact his kids, and gets a bit testy with Snoop on it.

Omar also hits another one of Marlos stash houses (earlier in the episode) and flushes 4 kilos down the toilet. They don’t show him do it though... just one guy dead on the floor and the other tied to a chair with duct tape over his mouth (who relays another messege to Marlo).

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[TexanFan02]

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After failing to kill Omar, Chris - and likely Michael - will fall to his shotgun. I've been seeing the "warrior" clash between Omar and Chris coming since last year. But Omar won't get to Marlow. At least that is how I see it.

Any thoughts on where he went after he leapt? I think he somehow made it to the lower balcony even though it looked like he jumped out to the street, I think he jumped out, spun, and grabbed a lower balcony and swung in - that fall would have busted both his knees and/or cracked his back*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

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In Episode 58, Omar is limping around with a full blown cane (broomstick). He sticks up Micheal's corner after shooting former Barksdale/current Stanfield muscle Savino in the back of the head. He takes Michael's gun, and tells him to relay another message to Marlo, that he killed Savino and he is going to keep dropping all of the Stanfield muscle until he comes out from hiding like a #####. Chris and Snoop meanwhile are hiding in some run down stash house; Chris is getting anxious and fretting about not being able to contact his kids, and gets a bit testy with Snoop on it.

Omar also hits another one of Marlos stash houses (earlier in the episode) and flushes 4 kilos down the toilet. They don’t show him do it though... just one guy dead on the floor and the other tied to a chair with duct tape over his mouth (who relays another messege to Marlo).

*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***

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Damn. There are spoilers, and then there are SPOILERS. Yours should have the REAL spoiler tag on it. How are you watching these in advance, torrents? All I'll say, no spoiler necessary, is that I hope McNutty burns for what he's done. And Lester too. Maybe Bunk will pull the plug.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

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After failing to kill Omar, Chris - and likely Michael - will fall to his shotgun. I've been seeing the "warrior" clash between Omar and Chris coming since last year. But Omar won't get to Marlow. At least that is how I see it.

Any thoughts on where he went after he leapt? I think he somehow made it to the lower balcony even though it looked like he jumped out to the street, I think he jumped out, spun, and grabbed a lower balcony and swung in - that fall would have busted both his knees and/or cracked his back*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

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No he really did fall to the ground. He broke his ankle. You will see it (his ankle) get worse over the next two episodes. In 56, he will stick up one of the members of the Co-op with a broken beer bottle (from behind) and take the guys .45. He will then tell him to get word to Marlo that he is calling him out as a #####, and that he isn't man enough to come down to the street with Omar. Later in the episode he robs one of Marlo's $$ transports, shooting the carrier in the leg with a buck shot, and burning all of the cash up in their (vacated) SUV. He tells the kid he shoots, to get word to Marlo that he's gonna keep coming at him until he comes down to the street like a man.

In Episode 58, Omar is limping around with a full blown cane (broomstick). He sticks up Micheal's corner after shooting former Barksdale/current Stanfield muscle Savino in the back of the head. He takes Michael's gun, and tells him to relay another message to Marlo, that he killed Savino and he is going to keep dropping all of the Stanfield muscle until he comes out from hiding like a #####. Chris and Snoop meanwhile are hiding in some run down stash house; Chris is getting anxious and fretting about not being able to contact his kids, and gets a bit testy with Snoop on it.

Omar also hits another one of Marlos stash houses (earlier in the episode) and flushes 4 kilos down the toilet. They don’t show him do it though... just one guy dead on the floor and the other tied to a chair with duct tape over his mouth (who relays another messege to Marlo).

*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

Episode 56? Wtf dude

 

[snitwitch]

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After failing to kill Omar, Chris - and likely Michael - will fall to his shotgun. I've been seeing the "warrior" clash between Omar and Chris coming since last year. But Omar won't get to Marlow. At least that is how I see it.

Any thoughts on where he went after he leapt? I think he somehow made it to the lower balcony even though it looked like he jumped out to the street, I think he jumped out, spun, and grabbed a lower balcony and swung in - that fall would have busted both his knees and/or cracked his back*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

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No he really did fall to the ground. He broke his ankle. You will see it (his ankle) get worse over the next two episodes. In 56, he will stick up one of the members of the Co-op with a broken beer bottle (from behind) and take the guys .45. He will then tell him to get word to Marlo that he is calling him out as a #####, and that he isn't man enough to come down to the street with Omar. Later in the episode he robs one of Marlo's $$ transports, shooting the carrier in the leg with a buck shot, and burning all of the cash up in their (vacated) SUV. He tells the kid he shoots, to get word to Marlo that he's gonna keep coming at him until he comes down to the street like a man.

In Episode 58, Omar is limping around with a full blown cane (broomstick). He sticks up Micheal's corner after shooting former Barksdale/current Stanfield muscle Savino in the back of the head. He takes Michael's gun, and tells him to relay another message to Marlo, that he killed Savino and he is going to keep dropping all of the Stanfield muscle until he comes out from hiding like a #####. Chris and Snoop meanwhile are hiding in some run down stash house; Chris is getting anxious and fretting about not being able to contact his kids, and gets a bit testy with Snoop on it.

Omar also hits another one of Marlos stash houses (earlier in the episode) and flushes 4 kilos down the toilet. They don’t show him do it though... just one guy dead on the floor and the other tied to a chair with duct tape over his mouth (who relays another messege to Marlo).

*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

Episode 56? Wtf dude

surfthechannel.com has episodes 56, 57, maybe more. I'm not watching them until they're available on On Demand though.

 

[Big_Russel]

(REAL BIG)

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No he really did fall to the ground. He broke his ankle. You will see it (his ankle) get worse over the next two episodes. In 56, he will stick up one of the members of the Co-op with a broken beer bottle (from behind) and take the guys .45. He will then tell him to get word to Marlo that he is calling him out as a #####, and that he isn't man enough to come down to the street with Omar. Later in the episode he robs one of Marlo's $$ transports, shooting the carrier in the leg with a buck shot, and burning all of the cash up in their (vacated) SUV. He tells the kid he shoots, to get word to Marlo that he's gonna keep coming at him until he comes down to the street like a man.

In Episode 58, Omar is limping around with a full blown cane (broomstick). He sticks up Micheal's corner after shooting former Barksdale/current Stanfield muscle Savino in the back of the head. He takes Michael's gun, and tells him to relay another message to Marlo, that he killed Savino and he is going to keep dropping all of the Stanfield muscle until he comes out from hiding like a #####. Chris and Snoop meanwhile are hiding in some run down stash house; Chris is getting anxious and fretting about not being able to contact his kids, and gets a bit testy with Snoop on it.

Omar also hits another one of Marlos stash houses (earlier in the episode) and flushes 4 kilos down the toilet. They don’t show him do it though... just one guy dead on the floor and the other tied to a chair with duct tape over his mouth (who relays another messege to Marlo).

*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

Episode 56? Wtf dude

Hey, I said it was a "REAL BIG" spoiler!! Sorry bro! Yeah.. you can watch episodes 56,57,58 on thesurfchannel. Im a wire addict so i cant wait for them to air on HBO. Im inpatient. lol

 

[Christo]

(REAL BIG)

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No he really did fall to the ground. He broke his ankle. You will see it (his ankle) get worse over the next two episodes. In 56, he will stick up one of the members of the Co-op with a broken beer bottle (from behind) and take the guys .45. He will then tell him to get word to Marlo that he is calling him out as a #####, and that he isn't man enough to come down to the street with Omar. Later in the episode he robs one of Marlo's $$ transports, shooting the carrier in the leg with a buck shot, and burning all of the cash up in their (vacated) SUV. He tells the kid he shoots, to get word to Marlo that he's gonna keep coming at him until he comes down to the street like a man.

In Episode 58, Omar is limping around with a full blown cane (broomstick). He sticks up Micheal's corner after shooting former Barksdale/current Stanfield muscle Savino in the back of the head. He takes Michael's gun, and tells him to relay another message to Marlo, that he killed Savino and he is going to keep dropping all of the Stanfield muscle until he comes out from hiding like a #####. Chris and Snoop meanwhile are hiding in some run down stash house; Chris is getting anxious and fretting about not being able to contact his kids, and gets a bit testy with Snoop on it.

Omar also hits another one of Marlos stash houses (earlier in the episode) and flushes 4 kilos down the toilet. They don’t show him do it though... just one guy dead on the floor and the other tied to a chair with duct tape over his mouth (who relays another messege to Marlo).

*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

Episode 56? Wtf dude

Hey, I said it was a "REAL BIG" spoiler!! Sorry bro! Yeah.. you can watch episodes 56,57,58 on thesurfchannel. Im a wire addict so i cant wait for them to air on HBO. Im inpatient. lol

I like the anticipation. Kinda like Christmas.

 

[menobrown]

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After failing to kill Omar, Chris - and likely Michael - will fall to his shotgun. I've been seeing the "warrior" clash between Omar and Chris coming since last year. But Omar won't get to Marlow. At least that is how I see it.

Any thoughts on where he went after he leapt? I think he somehow made it to the lower balcony even though it looked like he jumped out to the street, I think he jumped out, spun, and grabbed a lower balcony and swung in - that fall would have busted both his knees and/or cracked his back*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

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No he really did fall to the ground. He broke his ankle. You will see it (his ankle) get worse over the next two episodes. In 56, he will stick up one of the members of the Co-op with a broken beer bottle (from behind) and take the guys .45. He will then tell him to get word to Marlo that he is calling him out as a #####, and that he isn't man enough to come down to the street with Omar. Later in the episode he robs one of Marlo's $$ transports, shooting the carrier in the leg with a buck shot, and burning all of the cash up in their (vacated) SUV. He tells the kid he shoots, to get word to Marlo that he's gonna keep coming at him until he comes down to the street like a man.

In Episode 58, Omar is limping around with a full blown cane (broomstick). He sticks up Micheal's corner after shooting former Barksdale/current Stanfield muscle Savino in the back of the head. He takes Michael's gun, and tells him to relay another message to Marlo, that he killed Savino and he is going to keep dropping all of the Stanfield muscle until he comes out from hiding like a #####. Chris and Snoop meanwhile are hiding in some run down stash house; Chris is getting anxious and fretting about not being able to contact his kids, and gets a bit testy with Snoop on it.

Omar also hits another one of Marlos stash houses (earlier in the episode) and flushes 4 kilos down the toilet. They don’t show him do it though... just one guy dead on the floor and the other tied to a chair with duct tape over his mouth (who relays another messege to Marlo).

*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

Episode 56? Wtf dude

surfthechannel.com has episodes 56, 57, maybe more. I'm not watching them until they're available on On Demand though.

The wife and I have watched every episode of The Wire together and when I told her about this today she told me she would rather wait for it to be on TV and that I better not watch without her. I'm currently in the middle of episode 56. I can't help myself and now I'm going to have to play dumb when we watch it. Good thing for me this is the kind of show it's good to watch twice.

 

[Bri]

There's no Barksdale crew left on the streets, he lacks the Baltimore muscle since his muscle man (Slim) went to prop Joe and is now on the run, and he's in jail for a looooong time w/o hope of parole. I think you saw those two characters in a cameo for sentimental reasons.With 5 episodes left, adding Avon back into the street mix gets way too complicated.

Avon is not in jail a long time. Remember that other guy took the hit, the one strangled and put on the door knob, always said mos def...that guy. I agree him in the mix complicates it an awful lot. I could see him taking over and that's how it ends like "the game plays on".Marlo's crew of die-hard supporters is tiny. Snoop and Chris, that's it. Omar and Avon could take out these two, separately. The corner boys loved Avon, even the strip club guy and funeral home guy. (bartender that just died too) Marlo seems to only have a couple supporters and never learned to get a bigger "team". I think Michael would bail if given a chance, on Marlo. However, I think he feels indebted to Chris.I don't think the Greeks care who gives them $, they'd take Avon's if he came back or take Marlo's. Doubt they'd get involved either.Marlo may be the new "king" but he doesn't have half the supporting staff Joe and Avon had.

 

[Marc Levin]

There's no Barksdale crew left on the streets, he lacks the Baltimore muscle since his muscle man (Slim) went to prop Joe and is now on the run, and he's in jail for a looooong time w/o hope of parole. I think you saw those two characters in a cameo for sentimental reasons.With 5 episodes left, adding Avon back into the street mix gets way too complicated.

Avon is not in jail a long time. Remember that other guy took the hit, the one strangled and put on the door knob, always said mos def...that guy.

You have two jail terms moxed up - he violated his probation after release on the jail term you mention above - McNulty slapped the cuffs on him in the warehouse while he was all geared up with weapons to battle Marlo.That was Stringer's move against him when Avon threatened Stringer's arrangement with Prop Joe and the coop.I recommend you re-watch that season. It was the best season, IMO.BTW, just b/c you haven't been introduced to them as characters doesn't mean they aren't there. Marlo's got muscle or else he'd never have those corners. And he'd never take on Prop Joe w/o the muscle backing, even with a deal with Cheese in place.

 

[Big_Russel]

The wife and I have watched every episode of The Wire together and when I told her about this today she told me she would rather wait for it to be on TV and that I better not watch without her. I'm currently in the middle of episode 56. I can't help myself and now I'm going to have to play dumb when we watch it. Good thing for me this is the kind of show it's good to watch twice.

Bro... Im in the same exact boat. Everyweek I have to act surprised when something happens. lol

 

[Big_Russel]

There's no Barksdale crew left on the streets, he lacks the Baltimore muscle since his muscle man (Slim) went to prop Joe and is now on the run, and he's in jail for a looooong time w/o hope of parole. I think you saw those two characters in a cameo for sentimental reasons.With 5 episodes left, adding Avon back into the street mix gets way too complicated.

Avon is not in jail a long time. Remember that other guy took the hit, the one strangled and put on the door knob, always said mos def...that guy. I agree him in the mix complicates it an awful lot. I could see him taking over and that's how it ends like "the game plays on".Marlo's crew of die-hard supporters is tiny. Snoop and Chris, that's it. Omar and Avon could take out these two, separately. The corner boys loved Avon, even the strip club guy and funeral home guy. (bartender that just died too) Marlo seems to only have a couple supporters and never learned to get a bigger "team". I think Michael would bail if given a chance, on Marlo. However, I think he feels indebted to Chris.I don't think the Greeks care who gives them $, they'd take Avon's if he came back or take Marlo's. Doubt they'd get involved either.Marlo may be the new "king" but he doesn't have half the supporting staff Joe and Avon had.

Bro, you need to go back and re-watch the series. You are WAYYY off with this take. Avon is not getting out anytime soon. FWIW: Marlo is NOT the king (he just thinks he is). The Greek is the TRUE king. And remember what D'angelo said in season one, "the king stay the king."

 

[Marc Levin]

Marlow = the king of eastern baltimore. Cheese now rules the Western. Since marlow put Cheese in place and eliminated two coop members, he is, essentially, the king.

The Greek is supply, not king.

 

[fsufan]

i will started watching season 4 in about a week. how does season 4 compare to season 1,2 and 3. I thought 1 and 3 is great TV, season 2 was OK. I am recording season 5. does anyone know how many episodes there are?

 

[Bri]

There's no Barksdale crew left on the streets, he lacks the Baltimore muscle since his muscle man (Slim) went to prop Joe and is now on the run, and he's in jail for a looooong time w/o hope of parole. I think you saw those two characters in a cameo for sentimental reasons.With 5 episodes left, adding Avon back into the street mix gets way too complicated.

Avon is not in jail a long time. Remember that other guy took the hit, the one strangled and put on the door knob, always said mos def...that guy.

You have two jail terms moxed up - he violated his probation after release on the jail term you mention above - McNulty slapped the cuffs on him in the warehouse while he was all geared up with weapons to battle Marlo.That was Stringer's move against him when Avon threatened Stringer's arrangement with Prop Joe and the coop.I recommend you re-watch that season. It was the best season, IMO.BTW, just b/c you haven't been introduced to them as characters doesn't mean they aren't there. Marlo's got muscle or else he'd never have those corners. And he'd never take on Prop Joe w/o the muscle backing, even with a deal with Cheese in place.

completely forgot that...no explanation as to why I just.....Anyhow, still think he doesn't have the reach the others did

 

[Big_Russel]

Marlow = the king of eastern baltimore. Cheese now rules the Western. Since marlow put Cheese in place and eliminated two coop members, he is, essentially, the king.The Greek is supply, not king.

Cheese rules West Baltimore?? Since when? Cheese has always been East side (coming up under Joe). He may have been appointed Joes seat on the co-op, but he doesn’t rule the West Side. I don’t know how you came to that conclusion. Maybe I missed something. Anyway... The street storyline of the series (this season even more so than any other) is explained quite clearly by D'Angelo trying to teach Wallace and Boodie how to play chess (Season 1). "The King stay the King. Aint no new king. Aint no pawns or queens ever gonna be the king. It dont work that way." Everybody "deep in the game" (on the street level) will either die or go to jail. There will always be another Avon, another Stringer Bell, and another Marlo Stanfield. They may wear the "crown" for a little while (as Marlo refers to it throughout the series), but it doesn’t make them the King(s). Like Boodie said they are just some "smart ### Pawns" The King on the BIG board is the Greek. When the dust settles, he will always be the winner of the game. "The King stay the King". Vondaras is the Queen, and everybody else is just a pawn. Avon, Joe, Marlo... they all fall off the board eventually. The name of the final episode is "Life of Kings". It should be interesting.

 

[Big_Russel]

Marlow = the king of eastern baltimore. Cheese now rules the Western. Since marlow put Cheese in place and eliminated two coop members, he is, essentially, the king.The Greek is supply, not king.

Cheese rules West Baltimore?? Since when? Cheese has always been East side (coming up under Joe). He may have been appointed Joes seat on the co-op, but he doesn’t rule the West Side. Marlo rules both the east and west side of Baltimore now that he took Joe out of the picture, forcing everyone to take his package (at a mark up of course). I don’t know how you came to the conclusion that Cheese has anything to do with the West Side. Maybe I missed something. Anyway... The street storyline of the series (this season even more so than any other) is explained quite clearly by D'Angelo trying to teach Wallace and Boodie how to play chess (Season 1). "The King stay the King. Aint no new king. Aint no pawns or queens ever gonna be the king. It dont work that way." Everybody "deep in the game" (on the street level) will either die or go to jail. There will always be another Avon, another Stringer Bell, and another Marlo Stanfield. They may wear the "crown" for a little while (as Marlo refers to it throughout the series), but it doesn’t make them the King(s). Like Boodie said they are just some "smart ### Pawns" The King on the BIG board is the Greek. When the dust settles, he will always be the winner of the game. "The King stay the King". Vondaras is the Queen, and everybody else is just a pawn. Avon, Joe, Marlo... they all fall off the board eventually. The name of the final episode is "Life of Kings". It should be interesting.

 

[Stoneys]

Ok, just watched episode 55. The McNulty serial killer angle makes a little more sense to me now. Although, I wish they didn't wait so long to bring it about.

 

[Marc Levin]

There's no Barksdale crew left on the streets, he lacks the Baltimore muscle since his muscle man (Slim) went to prop Joe and is now on the run, and he's in jail for a looooong time w/o hope of parole. I think you saw those two characters in a cameo for sentimental reasons.With 5 episodes left, adding Avon back into the street mix gets way too complicated.

Avon is not in jail a long time. Remember that other guy took the hit, the one strangled and put on the door knob, always said mos def...that guy.

You have two jail terms moxed up - he violated his probation after release on the jail term you mention above - McNulty slapped the cuffs on him in the warehouse while he was all geared up with weapons to battle Marlo.That was Stringer's move against him when Avon threatened Stringer's arrangement with Prop Joe and the coop.I recommend you re-watch that season. It was the best season, IMO.BTW, just b/c you haven't been introduced to them as characters doesn't mean they aren't there. Marlo's got muscle or else he'd never have those corners. And he'd never take on Prop Joe w/o the muscle backing, even with a deal with Cheese in place.

completely forgot that...no explanation as to why I just.....Anyhow, still think he doesn't have the reach the others did

He def. doesn't have the reach - Avon could stretch out to NYC for muscle and to Philly. Prop Joe had the Greeks and their muscle.But in that city, Marlow is now king.

 

[Marc Levin]

Marlow = the king of eastern baltimore. Cheese now rules the Western. Since marlow put Cheese in place and eliminated two coop members, he is, essentially, the king.The Greek is supply, not king.

Cheese rules West Baltimore?? Since when? Cheese has always been East side (coming up under Joe). He may have been appointed Joes seat on the co-op, but he doesn’t rule the West Side. Marlo rules both the east and west side of Baltimore now that he took Joe out of the picture, forcing everyone to take his package (at a mark up of course). I don’t know how you came to the conclusion that Cheese has anything to do with the West Side. Maybe I missed something. Anyway... The street storyline of the series (this season even more so than any other) is explained quite clearly by D'Angelo trying to teach Wallace and Boodie how to play chess (Season 1). "The King stay the King. Aint no new king. Aint no pawns or queens ever gonna be the king. It dont work that way." Everybody "deep in the game" (on the street level) will either die or go to jail. There will always be another Avon, another Stringer Bell, and another Marlo Stanfield. They may wear the "crown" for a little while (as Marlo refers to it throughout the series), but it doesn’t make them the King(s). Like Boodie said they are just some "smart ### Pawns" The King on the BIG board is the Greek. When the dust settles, he will always be the winner of the game. "The King stay the King". Vondaras is the Queen, and everybody else is just a pawn. Avon, Joe, Marlo... they all fall off the board eventually. The name of the final episode is "Life of Kings". It should be interesting.

Maybe I got east and west mixed up, but Cheese clearly takes Joe's territory. Why does the coop exist? Why doesn't Marlow just squeeze the neck at the supply like Joe did for years and disband the coop - he has already murdered two coop members.I like your analogy and your thinking, but who cares about the big board? We 'aint seeing much more of the Greeks, we only care about the folks on the street and that is what the story revolves around. Why the heck did Marlow talk about the crown, then? Cause he's a prince? No - for our purposes, he's the king. He's the top dog the way Avon was the top dog before Marlow came around.

 

[Fiddles]

cheez has to be on the way out-

I thought they got him last night, when Prop Joe said "My nephew?" and Marlo nodded, Joe then rubbed his face in disgust and said something like that he never was too bright.Or do you think that was Joe asking who gave him up?

I thought he was asking Marlo if if he took Cheez out yet. But you bring up a good point. Hmmmmm.....not sure about that now.

Of course Joe was asking if Cheese was the one who gave him up. Why do you think Snoop and Chris gave Hungry Man to Cheese all duct taped and practically with a bow on him? Then Chris says, "A present from Marlo. You get a gift...you give a gift." That's what he meant. Marlo gives him Hungry Man, he gets Prop Joe in return.

Actually I thought he meant you give a gift (cheeze gave them butchie) you get a gift (hungry man)

 

[Fiddles]

I would say all in all a pretty good episode last night. Did anyone else see that guy from season 2 when McNulty and Freeman were scouting out the homeless guys. He was one of the port guys. "Johnny Fifty" I think was his nickname.

The more I watch and think about the show I am starting to think that even though McNulty might ultimately destroy himself and/or his career I think the tragedy is going to be Bubbles. Watching his character develop through the series has been amazing and I just have the sick feeling that now that he seems to be on the road to recovery he is setting up to go down hard.

noticed him too. I thought he was horse face but I dont remember.

 

[mistersmith]

cheez has to be on the way out-

I thought they got him last night, when Prop Joe said "My nephew?" and Marlo nodded, Joe then rubbed his face in disgust and said something like that he never was too bright.Or do you think that was Joe asking who gave him up?

I thought he was asking Marlo if if he took Cheez out yet. But you bring up a good point. Hmmmmm.....not sure about that now.

Of course Joe was asking if Cheese was the one who gave him up. Why do you think Snoop and Chris gave Hungry Man to Cheese all duct taped and practically with a bow on him? Then Chris says, "A present from Marlo. You get a gift...you give a gift." That's what he meant. Marlo gives him Hungry Man, he gets Prop Joe in return.

Actually I thought he meant you give a gift (cheeze gave them butchie) you get a gift (hungry man)

Butchie was given up by that dude who was given $50k. To my recollection, that was not Cheese.The gift to Cheese was Hungry Man, and he gave up Prop Joe. Joe figures it out when he says his nephew isn't too bright.

 

[Fiddles]

just watched 54 and 55 last night. really didnt see the prop joe thing coming at all

looking back I should've because every time they kill a main character off, in the episode that they are offed, the characters is spotlighted much more than in the past. joe had alot of screen time in that episode.

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loved finally seeing cutty again. been missing him this season. I hope he helps dookie get off the streets. I keep shouting at the screen get back in school dookie. what a waste.

what was the deal with the end of 55? my take was vondas gave him a fax number to call if he wanted to meet? not sure how that cell works? whats different about it from any other cell? what makes it safe for marlow to use? anyone figure that out?

some notes on the preview for 56: glad to see randy in the preview. been wondering if he was going to be on again.

the cops searching for michael lee on the computer. not looking good for him. looks like another added bonus of marlow taking prop joe out is he makes it look like omar did it and doubles the bounty when he tells the co-op about it. marlows a smart dude. *** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

 

[Fiddles]

cheez has to be on the way out-

I thought they got him last night, when Prop Joe said "My nephew?" and Marlo nodded, Joe then rubbed his face in disgust and said something like that he never was too bright.Or do you think that was Joe asking who gave him up?

I thought he was asking Marlo if if he took Cheez out yet. But you bring up a good point. Hmmmmm.....not sure about that now.

Of course Joe was asking if Cheese was the one who gave him up. Why do you think Snoop and Chris gave Hungry Man to Cheese all duct taped and practically with a bow on him? Then Chris says, "A present from Marlo. You get a gift...you give a gift." That's what he meant. Marlo gives him Hungry Man, he gets Prop Joe in return.

Actually I thought he meant you give a gift (cheeze gave them butchie) you get a gift (hungry man)

Butchie was given up by that dude who was given $50k. To my recollection, that was not Cheese.The gift to Cheese was Hungry Man, and he gave up Prop Joe. Joe figures it out when he says his nephew isn't too bright.

from HBOs episode guide:Cheese comes to Chris Partlow with information about Butchie, suggesting he might know Omar's location. Cheese asks that Prop Joe not be told he was the one who provided the information, as he pockets his $50k from Chris.

 

[DocGonzo]

Marlow = the king of eastern baltimore. Cheese now rules the Western. Since marlow put Cheese in place and eliminated two coop members, he is, essentially, the king.The Greek is supply, not king.

Cheese rules West Baltimore?? Since when? Cheese has always been East side (coming up under Joe). He may have been appointed Joes seat on the co-op, but he doesn’t rule the West Side. Marlo rules both the east and west side of Baltimore now that he took Joe out of the picture, forcing everyone to take his package (at a mark up of course). I don’t know how you came to the conclusion that Cheese has anything to do with the West Side. Maybe I missed something. Anyway... The street storyline of the series (this season even more so than any other) is explained quite clearly by D'Angelo trying to teach Wallace and Boodie how to play chess (Season 1). "The King stay the King. Aint no new king. Aint no pawns or queens ever gonna be the king. It dont work that way." Everybody "deep in the game" (on the street level) will either die or go to jail. There will always be another Avon, another Stringer Bell, and another Marlo Stanfield. They may wear the "crown" for a little while (as Marlo refers to it throughout the series), but it doesn’t make them the King(s). Like Boodie said they are just some "smart ### Pawns" The King on the BIG board is the Greek. When the dust settles, he will always be the winner of the game. "The King stay the King". Vondaras is the Queen, and everybody else is just a pawn. Avon, Joe, Marlo... they all fall off the board eventually. The name of the final episode is "Life of Kings". It should be interesting.

Maybe I got east and west mixed up, but Cheese clearly takes Joe's territory. Why does the coop exist? Why doesn't Marlow just squeeze the neck at the supply like Joe did for years and disband the coop - he has already murdered two coop members.I like your analogy and your thinking, but who cares about the big board? We 'aint seeing much more of the Greeks, we only care about the folks on the street and that is what the story revolves around. Why the heck did Marlow talk about the crown, then? Cause he's a prince? No - for our purposes, he's the king. He's the top dog the way Avon was the top dog before Marlow came around.

I can see this either way, but I lean toward a theory that Marlo just THINKS he's the king. That's going to end up being his downfall. His pride and arrogance are going to get him. I don't think he has any interest in seeing the co-op continue. If he did, he wouldn't have given Hungry Man to Cheese. Marlo seems to want it all and he's proven over and over again that he doesn't play well with others. How can he be the king when he didn't even know the next level of the game? He had to learn from Joe how to clean money, where the supply comes from etc. Marlo is "most def" ruthless, but he isn't necessarily smart. I think in this situation there is no kingdom without the supply, and there is no supply without the Greeks. (I know there are other places to get the dope, but the Greeks have that good package that doesn't seem available anywhere else.) They insulate themselves from all the knucklehead stuff on the street, much like Tony did in the Sopranos, and that's how a person stays the king. Marlo is the current king in the street -- and he probably truly believes he's the king of all -- but the Greeks have control of that "good dope," and that might just make them the most powerful players we know about to this point. How many times have we seen power shift at the street level -- Avon and Stringer lost it, Prop Joe lost some and gave some up for the co-op, Marlo emerged, the stevedores scheme fell apart and Sobotka lost it all. Through all that the Greeks have just ... maintained.Great show and good discussion in this thread. Can't believe we've only got a handful of eps left.

 

[snitwitch]

Marlow = the king of eastern baltimore. Cheese now rules the Western. Since marlow put Cheese in place and eliminated two coop members, he is, essentially, the king.

The Greek is supply, not king.

Cheese rules West Baltimore?? Since when? Cheese has always been East side (coming up under Joe). He may have been appointed Joes seat on the co-op, but he doesn’t rule the West Side. Marlo rules both the east and west side of Baltimore now that he took Joe out of the picture, forcing everyone to take his package (at a mark up of course). I don’t know how you came to the conclusion that Cheese has anything to do with the West Side. Maybe I missed something. Anyway...

The street storyline of the series (this season even more so than any other) is explained quite clearly by D'Angelo trying to teach Wallace and Boodie how to play chess (Season 1). "The King stay the King. Aint no new king. Aint no pawns or queens ever gonna be the king. It dont work that way."

Everybody "deep in the game" (on the street level) will either die or go to jail. There will always be another Avon, another Stringer Bell, and another Marlo Stanfield. They may wear the "crown" for a little while (as Marlo refers to it throughout the series), but it doesn’t make them the King(s). Like Boodie said they are just some "smart ### Pawns"

The King on the BIG board is the Greek. When the dust settles, he will always be the winner of the game. "The King stay the King". Vondaras is the Queen, and everybody else is just a pawn. Avon, Joe, Marlo... they all fall off the board eventually.

The name of the final episode is "Life of Kings". It should be interesting.

Maybe I got east and west mixed up, but Cheese clearly takes Joe's territory. Why does the coop exist? Why doesn't Marlow just squeeze the neck at the supply like Joe did for years and disband the coop - he has already murdered two coop members.I like your analogy and your thinking, but who cares about the big board? We 'aint seeing much more of the Greeks, we only care about the folks on the street and that is what the story revolves around. Why the heck did Marlow talk about the crown, then? Cause he's a prince? No - for our purposes, he's the king. He's the top dog the way Avon was the top dog before Marlow came around.

I can see this either way, but I lean toward a theory that Marlo just THINKS he's the king. That's going to end up being his downfall. His pride and arrogance are going to get him. I don't think he has any interest in seeing the co-op continue. If he did, he wouldn't have given Hungry Man to Cheese. Marlo seems to want it all and he's proven over and over again that he doesn't play well with others. How can he be the king when he didn't even know the next level of the game? He had to learn from Joe how to clean money, where the supply comes from etc. Marlo is "most def" ruthless, but he isn't necessarily smart. I think in this situation there is no kingdom without the supply, and there is no supply without the Greeks. (I know there are other places to get the dope, but the Greeks have that good package that doesn't seem available anywhere else.) They insulate themselves from all the knucklehead stuff on the street, much like Tony did in the Sopranos, and that's how a person stays the king. Marlo is the current king in the street -- and he probably truly believes he's the king of all -- but the Greeks have control of that "good dope," and that might just make them the most powerful players we know about to this point. How many times have we seen power shift at the street level -- Avon and Stringer lost it, Prop Joe lost some and gave some up for the co-op, Marlo emerged, the stevedores scheme fell apart and Sobotka lost it all. Through all that the Greeks have just ... maintained.Great show and good discussion in this thread. Can't believe we've only got a handful of eps left.

I think both the Greeks and Marlo are going down, and it will be because Herc ripped the phone number off his boss's rolodex and gave it to Carver.IIRC, that one greek dude gave Marlo the cell which apparently is untappable (as we know from Freamon trying in vain to listen in at the end of episode 5). If we think back to the Greeks' connections within the FBI (season 2 I think?) this might have something to do with it.

My prediction is that McNulty/Freamon will go back to their Fed buddy, as it will become apparent that there is a foul element within the FBI that's aiding the Greeks. Then it's game over, as the city's budget problems won't mean anything as the might of the federal gov't is thrown at these guys.

 

[Marc Levin]

My prediction is that McNulty/Freamon will go back to their Fed buddy, as it will become apparent that there is a foul element within the FBI that's aiding the Greeks. Then it's game over, as the city's budget problems won't mean anything as the might of the federal gov't is thrown at these guys.

They already knew the leak was from the feds side. They just don't know who.What may happen is Omar gets Chris and Snoop and the Greeks pull Marlo's plug on their own due to the cell phone leak.They knew they could trust Joe, but the first sign of slippage from marlo could mean bye-bye for him. That may be "The King's" role in the last episode.

 

[corpcow]

I just grabbed Season 1... and definitely Season 2 is next, since I barely watched that one. Much like the Sopranos, there's a lot of undercurrent and symbolism that I'm vaguely remembering because I last watched those seasons so many years ago.

This has been a great season though.

 

[Marc Levin]

I, personally, would watch them in this order: 1>3>2>4>5

But that is just me.

 

[Fiddles]

I, personally, would watch them in this order: 1>3>2>4>5But that is just me.

no way man do it in order

 

[corpcow]

I, personally, would watch them in this order: 1>3>2>4>5But that is just me.

Oh I've already seen all of them - watched 1 religiously, fell off a little with 2 (watched most of it, but not as carefully as I had), recaught back with season 3 and 4 was all out.It's just been so long that I don't remember all the details/nuances especially in the early seasons.

 

[Big_Russel]

HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SPOILER VIDEO!!! DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK UNLESS YOU ARE CAUGHT UP TO EPISODE 07 OF SEASON FIVE, AND ARE PREPARED FOR A MAJOR (possibly dissappointing) SPOILER. DONT SAY I DIDN'T WARN YOU!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk2hCF4yKbw

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

My prediction is that McNulty/Freamon will go back to their Fed buddy, as it will become apparent that there is a foul element within the FBI that's aiding the Greeks. Then it's game over, as the city's budget problems won't mean anything as the might of the federal gov't is thrown at these guys.

They already knew the leak was from the feds side. They just don't know who.What may happen is Omar gets Chris and Snoop and the Greeks pull Marlo's plug on their own due to the cell phone leak.They knew they could trust Joe, but the first sign of slippage from marlo could mean bye-bye for him. That may be "The King's" role in the last episode.

They know who in the FBI was the leak. McNutty's friend says in the last episode of season 2 something like "I thought I was talking to just somebody in SD, but turns out he was in counter-terrorism in DC. The Greek must have been important to what he has going on there" so he knew who it was. Basically like Jack Nicholson in The Departed.

 

[Red Apples]

amy ryan is up for an oscar.

she plays mcnultys girlfriend on the show.

i kind of reconized her on the promos but wasnt 100% sure till 2nites episode.

 

[TexanFan02]

HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SPOILER VIDEO!!! DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK UNLESS YOU ARE CAUGHT UP TO EPISODE 07 OF SEASON FIVE, AND ARE PREPARED FOR A MAJOR (possibly dissappointing) SPOILER. DONT SAY I DIDN'T WARN YOU!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk2hCF4yKbw

I hate you. Stop posting these, some of us can't help ourselves. Don't read this unless you're Big Russel.

 

[Big_Russel]

HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SPOILER VIDEO!!! DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK UNLESS YOU ARE CAUGHT UP TO EPISODE 07 OF SEASON FIVE, AND ARE PREPARED FOR A MAJOR (possibly dissappointing) SPOILER. DONT SAY I DIDN'T WARN YOU!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk2hCF4yKbw

I hate you. Stop posting these, some of us can't help ourselves. Don't read this unless you're Big Russel.

 

[The Captain]

HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SPOILER VIDEO!!! DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK UNLESS YOU ARE CAUGHT UP TO EPISODE 07 OF SEASON FIVE, AND ARE PREPARED FOR A MAJOR (possibly dissappointing) SPOILER. DONT SAY I DIDN'T WARN YOU!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk2hCF4yKbw

I hate you. Stop posting these, some of us can't help ourselves. Don't read this unless you're Big Russel.

Must resist...must resist...God I want to know what happens, but.....I will say this...the only things that will piss me off now is if Omar loses to Marlo...and if Cheez doesn't get whacked!

 

[Fiddles]

nytimes freakonomics blog - ongoing series on what real thugs think of each episode of season 5:

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/author/svenkatesh/

 

[Big_Russel]

Mass Media across the country have been very critical of The Wire this season because they don’t like what they see when the mirror is pointed at them.

For me... the season has been great so far (even though the writers are faced with the task of cramming what was originally written as a sixteen episode season, into just 10).