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As far as the court documents are concerned THERE WAS NO WIRE TAP. The information garnered from the wire they are crediting to a Confedential Informant (like Bubbles). They are saying that the CI gave them information that the re-supply was going down at that building and that Marlo and Co. used photos on cell phones by code to communicate. They are then saying that based on the legal warrant for the re-supply bust and info regarding cell phone use (based on fake CI who was actually the wire and surveillance) that they are able to confiscate and search the cell phones of those arrested incident to the re-supply warrant. After searching and studying the phones, they are/were able to break the code used by Marlo which puts him at the top of the drug conspiracy. Got it?To clarify - NONE of the information taken directly from the wire itself or the surveillance will be used as evidence in court. By Lester's theory, nothing should get thrown out then based on lack of a proper warrant. The photo/code etc. stuff will only be what they physically take from the seized phones which was based on a "legit" warrant for the re-supply bust. What Levy is going to challenge is the validity of that warrant based on the CI (who turns out actually was a wire). Lester/McNulty are essentially using the same fake CI/Wire #### that Carver and Herc did in Season 2 with the tennis ball.
Gotcha.The classic "fruit of the forbidden tree" evidence issue.
Correct. You just passed 1L Crim.
I passed that 4 yrs ago :goodposting:
 
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Chicken and the Egg.

(of course, lack of PC slices the chicken's head off before he poops out that stinky egg fruit)

Illegal search = illegally obtained evidence = inadmissible evidence. End result is the same - exclusionary rule.
Are we talking about the same thing? In your post I assumed you had him attacking the search of the seized phone based on the CI being unreliable. I'm talking about them discovering the illegal wiretap which would put the whole thing in the ####ter (the raid, the pullovers from being followed, the phones, all of it except Partlow's murder).
I see no reason he wouldn't attack both. They are not inconsistent positions.But, FWIW, I have no idea how Levy would find the illegal wiretap. And I don't think one episode of the Wire is sufficient time for Levy to do so.

Getting Marlo off for an improper search, OTOH, is more reasonable. That's why I keep saying that the only thing they have on Marlo is his phone as evidence of the conspiracy. get the phone thrown out and they have nothing to link him to Cheese.
:shrug: Ask them about it?
And they say "we used no wiretap - see that document, we said outright it was a confidential source." :thanks:

 
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And they say "we used no wiretap - see that document, we said outright it was a confidential source.":hifive:
Except Pearlman knows they were tapping Marlo's cell. She would have to present false evidence and allow officers to lie in court in order to maintain the informant angle. I don't think she's going to risk disbarment over this.
 
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Just watched Season 1 Episode 1 for the first time. It was good enough to watch Episode 2.

I hope it is everything that a 16 page indicates it might be. I won't be coming back here for awhile though, lest I risk inadvertent spoilers.
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Man, why did they have to kill Bodie?

At least they let him go down blasting. Very appropos of the character.*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

 
And they say "we used no wiretap - see that document, we said outright it was a confidential source.":kicksrock:
Except Pearlman knows they were tapping Marlo's cell. She would have to present false evidence and allow officers to lie in court in order to maintain the informant angle. I don't think she's going to risk disbarment over this.
She did? I missed that - I will have to re-watch the last episode.Absolutely true if that is accurate.
 
Chicken and the Egg.

(of course, lack of PC slices the chicken's head off before he poops out that stinky egg fruit)

Illegal search = illegally obtained evidence = inadmissible evidence. End result is the same - exclusionary rule.
Are we talking about the same thing? In your post I assumed you had him attacking the search of the seized phone based on the CI being unreliable. I'm talking about them discovering the illegal wiretap which would put the whole thing in the ####ter (the raid, the pullovers from being followed, the phones, all of it except Partlow's murder).
I see no reason he wouldn't attack both. They are not inconsistent positions.But, FWIW, I have no idea how Levy would find the illegal wiretap. And I don't think one episode of the Wire is sufficient time for Levy to do so.

Getting Marlo off for an improper search, OTOH, is more reasonable. That's why I keep saying that the only thing they have on Marlo is his phone as evidence of the conspiracy. get the phone thrown out and they have nothing to link him to Cheese.
:lmao: Ask them about it?
And they say "we used no wiretap - see that document, we said outright it was a confidential source." :hifive:
So Daniels and Pearlman are going to perpetuate the lie?
 
Gotta say that HBO and their whole family is a #### for airing the spot each week that says "Catch EVERY episode of The Wire a week early with Video On Demand". They could have said early on that the finale wouldn't be released early.

 
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Didn't want the episode to end. With so much that needed to be addressed, I thought Simon did an excellent job.

Michael is the new Omar. Shortest screen time of any of the major players, and probably my favorite scene.

Dukie shooting up was hearbreaking.

Nobody probably predicted McNulty would come out of everything smelling like roses, and some might have a problem with it, but I was glad.*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

 
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A fitting ending to the series. Some of the parellelism was a wee bit heavy handed, but I found I didn't really mind. I know The Wire never gets Emmy's, but I hope they push real hard to get a "For Your Consideration" reel together for Andre Royo.

 
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The Dookie scenes tonight were unnecessary. They should have just left it like they did last week with him walking towards the guy shooting up in the junkyard. They could have used the extra time on Garcetti. He should have had a scene with an inkling of self-loathe.

 
The Dookie scenes tonight were unnecessary. They should have just left it like they did last week with him walking towards the guy shooting up in the junkyard. They could have used the extra time on Garcetti. He should have had a scene with an inkling of self-loathe.
I disagree to an extent. While I agree that we knew enough to infer Dukie's fate the second he got out of Michael's truck, I was still glad to see his scene with Prez. Because it really completed Prez' story. Prez has come from being the clueless cop into being a public servant who is courageous enough to see his failures. I found the scene moving. Prez giving Dukie one last chance, even though he knew Dukie was likely beyond help.
 
Wish the guy who wrote the Bubbles story got the pulitzer or whatever award the white guy got. The other guy getting the award was silly.

 
Well I called the Irish wake for McNulty, but I was dead wrong about it being a true wake. I really thought he was going to kill himself.

For me, the best scene was Michael becoming the new Omar. Poetry. Second best was Slim Charles taking care of Cheeze. Thank you.

Best TV show I've ever seen.

Thank you Ed Burns and David Simon for demonstrating that TV is a a medium that can deliver the goods if the powers that be give it a chance.

 
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Really would have liked to have see more of Chris Partlow and less of the newsroom tonight. That storyline didn't deliver in the end.

Overall it was a decent episode, and end of the best series in the history of television.

 
The Dookie scenes tonight were unnecessary. They should have just left it like they did last week with him walking towards the guy shooting up in the junkyard. They could have used the extra time on Garcetti. He should have had a scene with an inkling of self-loathe.
I disagree to an extent. While I agree that we knew enough to infer Dukie's fate the second he got out of Michael's truck, I was still glad to see his scene with Prez. Because it really completed Prez' story. Prez has come from being the clueless cop into being a public servant who is courageous enough to see his failures. I found the scene moving. Prez giving Dukie one last chance, even though he knew Dukie was likely beyond help.
And some parallels to when Bubbles was waiting for the money from Kima in the episode she was shot - and then the long road he had. I literally clapped when Bubbles was sitting at the table with his sister. I love Mike being the new Omar, very fitting, both very likable characters, loyal, badass, and - like Snoop said - "not like one of us".
 
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Well I called the Irish wake for McNulty, but I was dead wrong about it being a true wake. I really thought he was going to kill himself.For me, the best scene was Michael becoming the new Omar. Poetry. Second best was Slim Charles taking care of Cheeze. Thank you.Best TV show I've ever seen.Thank you Ed Burns and David Simon for demontrating that TV is a a medium that can deliver the goods, if the powers that be give it a chance.
:thumbup: on all counts. I cheered when Slim Charles did Cheese.Lots of Someone is the new Someone Else (Kima and Sydnor are the new McNuttys, Chris joins Wee Bey, who he was the new version of, Dookie is the new Bubbles and so on). Incredible symmetry.Also good to see the tribute to Colesberry at the end of the last ep.
But to the cast and crew of The Wire, he was the glue that held everything together. David Simon, writer and executive producer of both The Corner and The Wire, remembered that it was an "arranged marriage" that brought him together with Colesberry. HBO wanted an experienced, visually-oriented producer on the project. "I went into that meeting and met Bob thinking, 'Who is this studio-type guy who's going to mess up my words?' Pretty soon, I never wanted to shoot another reel of film without Bob as my partner. He was a consummate storyteller and a trusted friend."
The wife and I both feel like we said goodbye to a good friend tonight.
 
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I think they wrapped it up pretty well. I can't help but wish they would have made the last season last 15 or 16 episodes, it seemed rushed.

 
more of Chris Partlow
What was there to see? Not really much to resolve on his end in this final episode.Quick question: At the beginning of the montage, a guy approaches another guy on a drug corner in a white tee and they shug, I think. Was that Marlo? We couldn't tell, I don't know why they'd show that if it wasn't a character from the show.
 
more of Chris Partlow
What was there to see? Not really much to resolve on his end in this final episode.Quick question: At the beginning of the montage, a guy approaches another guy on a drug corner in a white tee and they shug, I think. Was that Marlo? We couldn't tell, I don't know why they'd show that if it wasn't a character from the show.
Nah, it was some random corner guy. The drug trade goes on. Marlo is presumably out after getting his 10 mil. He never worked corners anyway.
 
more of Chris Partlow
What was there to see? Not really much to resolve on his end in this final episode.Quick question: At the beginning of the montage, a guy approaches another guy on a drug corner in a white tee and they shug, I think. Was that Marlo? We couldn't tell, I don't know why they'd show that if it wasn't a character from the show.
Nah, it was some random corner guy. The drug trade goes on. Marlo is presumably out after getting his 10 mil. He never worked corners anyway.
Then why did he start #### with the two dudes on the corner? Seemed to me that that was him "getting back to his roots."
 
more of Chris Partlow
What was there to see? Not really much to resolve on his end in this final episode.Quick question: At the beginning of the montage, a guy approaches another guy on a drug corner in a white tee and they shug, I think. Was that Marlo? We couldn't tell, I don't know why they'd show that if it wasn't a character from the show.
Nah, it was some random corner guy. The drug trade goes on. Marlo is presumably out after getting his 10 mil. He never worked corners anyway.
Then why did he start #### with the two dudes on the corner? Seemed to me that that was him "getting back to his roots."
Well, I guess it's possible that he decided he just couldn't leave it all behind and went to work on a corner despite having 10 million dollars. Some rich people are eccentric. But he's not the guy in the scene you were talking about.
 
more of Chris Partlow
What was there to see? Not really much to resolve on his end in this final episode.Quick question: At the beginning of the montage, a guy approaches another guy on a drug corner in a white tee and they shug, I think. Was that Marlo? We couldn't tell, I don't know why they'd show that if it wasn't a character from the show.
I just would have rather had seen Marlo and Chris discussing his fate (life without parole), instead of Gus and that chick (we don't even know the name of) talking about getting transferred, just so they could throw in the "life of Kings" quote on the wall behind them.BTW: The kid with the white t on the corner was Spider. Mike's old #2.
 
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I was a little confused with how they wrapped Marlo up. First, he walks off the charges. Then, he announces his intention to sell the connect to the co-op. Then, they show him back on the corner f'n with people, seemingly just to keep his name out there (remember all the flak he gave his crew for not telling him Omar was calling him out, then he asks the kids on the corner if they "know who [he] is?") Then, they show the Greeks talking to Slim, indicating that they did buy the connection from Marlo. So, I assume Marlo did decide to walk away, but simply can't. So what the hell is he going to do?

 
Great finale to a great series.

One thing I loved was the Marlo scene. The corner boys were talking about the legend of Omar when Marlo walked up on them and then they didn't know who he was. It was exactly what Omar was talking about how Marlo wasn't in the streets anymore. Of course Marlo quickly showed the two boys who he was.

I think they did a great job of wrapping up the series despite a short timeline in which to do it. The ending was probably a little too clean for some people, but I like the feeling of closure with many of the characters. I wish they would have been given more episodes to finish the series at a steadier pace, but all in all it was very good.

 
Great finale to a great series.One thing I loved was the Marlo scene. The corner boys were talking about the legend of Omar when Marlo walked up on them and then they didn't know who he was. It was exactly what Omar was talking about how Marlo wasn't in the streets anymore. Of course Marlo quickly showed the two boys who he was.I think they did a great job of wrapping up the series despite a short timeline in which to do it. The ending was probably a little too clean for some people, but I like the feeling of closure with many of the characters. I wish they would have been given more episodes to finish the series at a steadier pace, but all in all it was very good.
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I will probably go back and rewatch the entire 5 seasons sometime next month. I'm sure there are things I missed the first time around.

Season 5 was a drag for me, up until the last 2 or 3 episodes. I wasn't enjoying the serial killer story line, nor the newspaper angle. But they pulled it together quite well.

Man, what a show.

 
I was a little confused with how they wrapped Marlo up. First, he walks off the charges. Then, he announces his intention to sell the connect to the co-op. Then, they show him back on the corner f'n with people, seemingly just to keep his name out there (remember all the flak he gave his crew for not telling him Omar was calling him out, then he asks the kids on the corner if they "know who [he] is?") Then, they show the Greeks talking to Slim, indicating that they did buy the connection from Marlo. So, I assume Marlo did decide to walk away, but simply can't. So what the hell is he going to do?
Levy will milk him for awhile "advising" on business transactions. But ultimately, he will be back in the game. Its in his blood.
 
It was going to be tough for them to put on a finale that lived up to my expectations, but they did it. I had a very satisfying feeling at the end of it. As someone said earlier, it was a nice clean wrap.

Marlo's final scene... I got the impression that he felt so out of place at the cocktail party that he went back to what he knew, the street. The corner boys were talking about Omar, but Marlo just said "do you know who I am". Followed by the corner boy saying the same thing. I didn't think Marlo ever announced who he was. He just did it for self gratification.

I do wish McNulty and Lester would have let Kima walk away after she admitted what she did. A rat is a rat.

 
Well I called the Irish wake for McNulty, but I was dead wrong about it being a true wake. I really thought he was going to kill himself.

For me, the best scene was Michael becoming the new Omar. Poetry. Second best was Slim Charles taking care of Cheeze. Thank you.

Best TV show I've ever seen.

Thank you Ed Burns and David Simon for demontrating that TV is a a medium that can deliver the goods, if the powers that be give it a chance.
:confused: on all counts. I cheered when Slim Charles did Cheese.

Lots of Someone is the new Someone Else (Kima and Sydnor are the new McNuttys, Chris joins Wee Bey, who he was the new version of, Dookie is the new Bubbles and so on). Incredible symmetry.

Also good to see the tribute to Colesberry at the end of the last ep.
i totally agree. By doing it that way, it also gives us in a way a prequel of Bubbles life.
 
more of Chris Partlow
What was there to see? Not really much to resolve on his end in this final episode.Quick question: At the beginning of the montage, a guy approaches another guy on a drug corner in a white tee and they shug, I think. Was that Marlo? We couldn't tell, I don't know why they'd show that if it wasn't a character from the show.
From a David Simon interview:Q. Was that Marlo on the street at the start of the ending montage? I thought he might've gone back to running a corner.

A. After leaving the circle-jerk of developers, he walked up on those kids who were telling an Omar story and challenged them. He wasn't on a corner otherwise. He clearly wants his name back, but whether he's going to get back in the drug game? Unstated in the piece.

http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/feature/2008/0...imon/index.html

 
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Didn't want the episode to end. With so much that needed to be addressed, I thought Simon did an excellent job.

Michael is the new Omar. Shortest screen time of any of the major players, and probably my favorite scene.

Dukie shooting up was hearbreaking.

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That last glimpse of Dukie WAS sad. But I guess it was inevitable. Great freaking show.
 
I was a little confused with how they wrapped Marlo up. First, he walks off the charges. Then, he announces his intention to sell the connect to the co-op. Then, they show him back on the corner f'n with people, seemingly just to keep his name out there (remember all the flak he gave his crew for not telling him Omar was calling him out, then he asks the kids on the corner if they "know who [he] is?") Then, they show the Greeks talking to Slim, indicating that they did buy the connection from Marlo. So, I assume Marlo did decide to walk away, but simply can't. So what the hell is he going to do?
We don't know exactly what happens to Marlo. I'm fine with that. What we do know is that Marlo is given the opportunity to live Stringer's dream. To be accepted into the culture of "legitimate" businessmen. Of course, the corrolary to that dream was that the legitimate businessmen (with Levy's help) would bleed him dry. But Marlo has more self awareness than Stringer. At least on that point. Marlo lusts after one thing. Power. Not money. I think the the scene with the corner boys shows that. Beyond that we know about as much about Marlo as we know about McNulty. Can he be happy outside the Game? Can McNulty keep his sanity without police work? Who knows? Stories don't end with every question answered. What we know is that the street will always call out to Marlo.
 
A fitting ending to the series. Some of the parellelism was a wee bit heavy handed, but I found I didn't really mind.
100% agreement - :mellow:The Wire guys always knew how to properly end each season - they wrapped things up each year very very well. And they knew how to properly end this series.Unlike the Sopranos, Deadwood, Carnivale, and Rome, I was prepared for the ending when it came and I was left completely satisfied with how it ended.
 
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more of Chris Partlow
What was there to see? Not really much to resolve on his end in this final episode.Quick question: At the beginning of the montage, a guy approaches another guy on a drug corner in a white tee and they shug, I think. Was that Marlo? We couldn't tell, I don't know why they'd show that if it wasn't a character from the show.
From a David Simon interview:Q. Was that Marlo on the street at the start of the ending montage? I thought he might've gone back to running a corner.

A. After leaving the circle-jerk of developers, he walked up on those kids who were telling an Omar story and challenged them. He wasn't on a corner otherwise. He clearly wants his name back, but whether he's going to get back in the drug game? Unstated in the piece.

http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/feature/2008/0...imon/index.html
very nice interview!
 
I was a little confused with how they wrapped Marlo up. First, he walks off the charges. Then, he announces his intention to sell the connect to the co-op. Then, they show him back on the corner f'n with people, seemingly just to keep his name out there (remember all the flak he gave his crew for not telling him Omar was calling him out, then he asks the kids on the corner if they "know who [he] is?") Then, they show the Greeks talking to Slim, indicating that they did buy the connection from Marlo. So, I assume Marlo did decide to walk away, but simply can't. So what the hell is he going to do?
Live off his money? :shrug: I took that to partially be an expression of "you can take the boy from the streets, but you can't take the streets out of the boy."

Recall season three with Barksdale/Stringer trying to get hooked into the business world and Stringer trying to remove himself from the streets? Some parralels there as Barksdale knew it was all about shooting it up with Marlo and about his rep on the streets, not taking business off the street.

Plus, I think that scene, specifically, was Marlo overhearing the two kids talking about how Omar got shot - last week, Marlo flipped out about what folks were saying on the street about him and Omar.

 

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