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Things you should do if you don't like Trump (1 Viewer)

Lose more faith in humanity after reading political threads on this forum.  But hold onto a sliver of hope based on the very small number of reasonable people you see reply.

 
Bronco Billy said:
And for the record since it has become part of the discussion, while I do not support abortion I do concede abortion on a limited basis. That limit being that the ability to abort a fetus should end when the group of cells becomes a human being (except in unusual cases like where the life of the mother is at risk)  

I'm not smart enough to know when in a pregnancy this occurs, but I do know that it occurs well before the full term of the pregnancy happens. 
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Do you know that almost every late term abortion is due to a non viable fetus or danger to the life of the mother? You seem to be smart enough to make that decision for both the doctor and the mother.  

 
McGarnicle said:
Interesting, what's going on there? 
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A lot of attempted influence, which those magazines generally have with conservative politicians. 

Trump is not so conservative. 

The Weekly Standard does have Christopher Caldwell, though, who has done a great job explaining immigration in Europe and elsewhere -- at least as it pertains to globalization and disruption of typically Anglo/Western countries. 

 
Let me give you all a hint:  for pro-life supporters, abortion is not considered a health care decision on its own.  If there is a life threatening issue to the mother, then it becomes one.  Otherwise it is a decision of economics and convenience, but don't pretend that deciding to abort an otherwise healthy baby is a "health care" decision.  It falls more in line with cosmetic surgery where people elect to go under the knife to feel better about their appearance.  And, yes, cosmetic surgery can be needed for a person to lead a more normal life but that comparison sucks because there isn't another life involved.

Like always, the entire debate is centered around when the baby is considered a life.

 
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Things I would do if I didn't like Trump? Rub one out to thoughts of Melania *and* Ivanka, of course. Sorry Tiffany.

 
Jayrod said:
Let me give you all a hint:  for pro-life supporters, abortion is not considered a health care decision on its own.  If there is a life threatening issue to the mother, then it becomes one.  Otherwise it is a decision of economics and convenience, but don't pretend that deciding to abort an otherwise healthy baby is a "health care" decision.  It falls more in line with cosmetic surgery where people elect to go under the knife to feel better about their appearance.  And, yes, cosmetic surgery can be needed for a person to lead a more normal life but that comparison sucks because there isn't another life involved.

Like always, the entire debate is centered around when the baby is considered a life.
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77% of anti-abortion leaders are men, 100% of them will never be pregnant.

 
Jayrod said:
Let me give you all a hint:  for pro-life supporters, abortion is not considered a health care decision on its own.  If there is a life threatening issue to the mother, then it becomes one.  Otherwise it is a decision of economics and convenience, but don't pretend that deciding to abort an otherwise healthy baby is a "health care" decision.  It falls more in line with cosmetic surgery where people elect to go under the knife to feel better about their appearance. And, yes, cosmetic surgery can be needed for a person to lead a more normal life but that comparison sucks because there isn't another life involved.

Like always, the entire debate is centered around when the baby is considered a life.
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this is.......I'm speechless.  Are you a woman?

 
bueno said:
I love how you lump people together, You do realize I wasn't here for most of the Obama presidency don't you? I did grin and bear it. Your turn.
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"Grin and bear it" is such a weird term for a huge Larry Craig fan.  Ya know?

 
Jackstraw said:
Do you know that almost every late term abortion is due to a non viable fetus or danger to the life of the mother? You seem to be smart enough to make that decision for both the doctor and the mother.  
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You mean a post-viability abortion?  Yes, those would be included. I'd guess that the fetus takes on the characteristics of a human being before that point, but again I'm not the one to figure that out. 

Curious why you feel the need to be hostile?  I think there's middle ground here that can be defined. Do you feel there should be no compromise and no advocate for a human fetus?

 
Jayrod said:
Let me give you all a hint:  for pro-life supporters, abortion is not considered a health care decision on its own.  If there is a life threatening issue to the mother, then it becomes one.  Otherwise it is a decision of economics and convenience, but don't pretend that deciding to abort an otherwise healthy baby is a "health care" decision.  It falls more in line with cosmetic surgery where people elect to go under the knife to feel better about their appearance.  And, yes, cosmetic surgery can be needed for a person to lead a more normal life but that comparison sucks because there isn't another life involved.

Like always, the entire debate is centered around when the baby is considered a life.
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wow....that's pathetic.  Sickening almost that you think that's a similar thought process someone might go through.  

 
Bronco Billy said:
You mean a post-viability abortion?  Yes, those would be included. I'd guess that the fetus takes on the characteristics of a human being before that point, but again I'm not the one to figure that out. 

Curious why you feel the need to be hostile?  I think there's middle ground here that can be defined. Do you feel there should be no compromise and no advocate for a human fetus?
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I wouldn't say the pro life movement has exactly been live and let live in this country. A legally protected right has been under constant attack for years. Can you imagine if anti-gun got away with a fraction of the stuff pro lifers have? They'd be shooting people on the streets. This was settled 40 plus years ago.

But I guess there are constitutional rights and then there are CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.  

Women forced to give birth especially out of wedlock face overwhelming likliehood of poverty in their lives. And the same people who would force them to give birth are the same people who would challenge any efforts at healthcare, childcare, etc. They are the same people who prefer a huge prison system that a lot of these children will wind up in.

You'd think they would at least be for some fricken birth control. But noooooooo.

So yeah I'm kind of hostile.    

 
Jayrod said:
Let me give you all a hint:  for pro-life supporters, abortion is not considered a health care decision on its own.  If there is a life threatening issue to the mother, then it becomes one.  Otherwise it is a decision of economics and convenience, but don't pretend that deciding to abort an otherwise healthy baby is a "health care" decision.  It falls more in line with cosmetic surgery where people elect to go under the knife to feel better about their appearance.  And, yes, cosmetic surgery can be needed for a person to lead a more normal life but that comparison sucks because there isn't another life involved.

Like always, the entire debate is centered around when the baby is considered a life.
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I'm curious if you've ever known a woman who was faced with an unwanted pregnancy? Because your statement above would tell me no. 

That aside -- you've talked a lot about your faith in here, so I would guess that is what informs your stance on abortion first and foremost. Maybe just lead with that, instead of presuming to understand the thoughts and emotions of a pregnant woman.

 
Jackstraw said:
I wouldn't say the pro life movement has exactly been live and let live in this country. A legally protected right has been under constant attack for years. Can you imagine if anti-gun got away with a fraction of the stuff pro lifers have? They'd be shooting people on the streets. This was settled 40 plus years ago.

But I guess there are constitutional rights and then there are CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.  

Women forced to give birth especially out of wedlock face overwhelming likliehood of poverty in their lives. And the same people who would force them to give birth are the same people who would challenge any efforts at healthcare, childcare, etc. They are the same people who prefer a huge prison system that a lot of these children will wind up in.

You'd think they would at least be for some fricken birth control. But noooooooo.

So yeah I'm kind of hostile.    
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Excuse me, who exactly is forcing women to have children out of wedlock and then forcing those women to raise the children?

 
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Jackstraw said:
Yeah they're whores amirite?
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That wasn't my assertion was it?  I asked you a simple question based upon your assertion. You claimed that some women were forced to have and raise children. I asked you who it was that was forcing them. Can you answer that please?

 
Jackstraw said:
Do you know that almost every late term abortion is classified by the provider as being due to a non viable fetus or danger to the life of the mother? You seem to be smart enough to make that decision for both the doctor and the mother.  
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fixed

 
In all honesty, sorry about my callousness on the reasons behind an abortion.  I typed that out a little too quick without really thinking about it.

However, I will still stand behind my primary point that abortion is not really a health care decision.

 
McGarnicle said:
I'm curious if you've ever known a woman who was faced with an unwanted pregnancy? Because your statement above would tell me no. 

That aside -- you've talked a lot about your faith in here, so I would guess that is what informs your stance on abortion first and foremost. Maybe just lead with that, instead of presuming to understand the thoughts and emotions of a pregnant woman.
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Good point.

I honestly apologize.

 
Jackstraw said:
Do you know that almost every late term abortion is due to a non viable fetus or danger to the life of the mother? You seem to be smart enough to make that decision for both the doctor and the mother.  
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Would love to see a source for this information which is not Planned Parenthood/Guttmacher Inst.  

 
Bronco Billy said:
That wasn't my assertion was it?  I asked you a simple question based upon your assertion. You claimed that some women were forced to have and raise children. I asked you who it was that was forcing them. Can you answer that please?
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Texas is doing a pretty stand up job. 

 
I don't think abortion is a topic that's going to lead anywhere productive in here. But, I hope those of you with daughters aren't being naive or delusional on the topic of sexuality, and you're providing the education and support necessary to prevent unwanted pregnancy. For religious types I know sometimes there is a tendency to assume your girls are pure as the driven snow and there's no need for dialog, or you preach abstinence, discourage birth control, or just generally create an environment of tension and silence around the whole thing. Don't be stupid. I think everyone on both sides of abortion can agree that fewer abortions are desirable, and obviously they are preventable if people make smart decisions.

 
McGarnicle said:
I don't think abortion is a topic that's going to lead anywhere productive in here. But, I hope those of you with daughters aren't being naive or delusional on the topic of sexuality, and you're providing the education and support necessary to prevent unwanted pregnancy. For religious types I know sometimes there is a tendency to assume your girls are pure as the driven snow and there's no need for dialog, or you preach abstinence, discourage birth control, or just generally create an environment of tension and silence around the whole thing. Don't be stupid. I think everyone on both sides of abortion can agree that fewer abortions are desirable, and obviously they are preventable if people make smart decisions.
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I think it's also important to note that those of you with sons have zero role in unwanted pregnancies.  Your son wouldn't have gotten that girl pregnant if she wasn't such a slut.

 
saintfool said:
Things I would do if I didn't like Trump? Rub one out to thoughts of Melania *and* Ivanka, of course. Sorry Tiffany.
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In fairness, Trump supporters can do that as well, and I believe some may do so

 
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