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THIS IS THEIR BEST SONG! - Music Draft - Saturday Night's Alright for iFighting (1 Viewer)

It's easier in some ways to assess music from before your time. In theory, the listener can be more objective with fewer dependencies on how the music and his or her life intersected back in the day.
But it's also hard to overlook that first time I heard Boston.  What is this, and where do I find more of it?  It was so different from anything I'd heard.  A few other bands produced that experience.  Both approaches work for me.

 
But it's also hard to overlook that first time I heard Boston.  What is this, and where do I find more of it?  It was so different from anything I'd heard.  A few other bands produced that experience.  Both approaches work for me.


Music you experience as a teenager carries tribal connotations that don't fade away in a lifetime.  However much I try to listen for their artistic merits, Boston, Styx and REO will always be the music played by the uncool kids down the hall.

ETA:   Yeah, I was a teenage music snob

 
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I love Zeppelin and know the catalogue well, but I always wonder what that generation thinks of my evaluation...if that makes sense.

There are also bands like Deep Purple and even early Bruce Springsteen that are nearly unlistenable for me.   I find that part intriguing from a generational perspective.  Is Deep purple one of those bands that everybody loved back in the day or were they a part of a smaller scene...I just don't know.  That's the only reason I reference generations.  

Stevie Wonder, The Beatles etc...everybody likes these guys and knows them...seemingly generation agnostic if you will.


That makes a lot of sense, especially with respect to a band like Deep Purple.  I thought of Led Zeppelin as more generationally agnostic (love that term, by the way), but might have been wrong.

 
Music you experience as a teenager carries tribal connotations that don't fade away in a lifetime.  However much I try to listen for their artistic merits, Boston, Styx and REO will always be the music played by the uncool kids down the hall.

ETA:   Yeah, I was a teenage music snob
This isn't necessarily so. It depends on the individual. My experience with thrash and late eighties glam has changed over the years. I now think that it's the stupid kids like me that were listening to that stuff, while kids who were listening to 120 Minutes and stuff like that were ahead of things. That's in retrospect. I used to find that music redundant, boring, and crusty, which is anything but the case now.

My favorite bands from my teen and college years have changed decade by decade. One favorite of mine now, who will go unnamed, probably released the song sung by the most teenage girls in the world (who don't know they wrote it) and I might have hated it but for the allure of the cover and the performances by the band late night as a teen. But since they were a 120 Minutes band, I didn't bother. Only later did I discover them and shed any teenage snobbiness towards them.

 
When I say "stupid," I mean it light-heartedly. But those things are only tribal if you consider the real-life class and sociological/political implications of listening to certain types of music.

I've done a reevaluation of that sort of stuff, mind you.

I do get that attachments formed during the teen years are hard to shed. I'm probably Exhibit A of someone who has shed them through a love of pure music and what music can mean.

Late eighties glam is generally quite bad to my ears now and I can't believe I listened to it. Same with the leads from the pop-punk bands of the early to mid nineties. Those sound really dated and bad, and I can't get tribal about them. They sound awful.

 
Music you experience as a teenager carries tribal connotations that don't fade away in a lifetime.  However much I try to listen for their artistic merits, Boston, Styx and REO will always be the music played by the uncool kids down the hall.

ETA:   Yeah, I was a teenage music snob
Totally makes sense. My tastes in '70s music are all over the place because I have no connections to the social scenes that certain bands/genres represented. But I feel about Candlebox and Seven Mary Three the same way you feel about Boston and Styx. 

 
Totally makes sense. My tastes in '70s music are all over the place because I have no connections to the social scenes that certain bands/genres represented. But I feel about Candlebox and Seven Mary Three the same way you feel about Boston and Styx. 


Far Behind was my jam.  :headbang:

But I was a teenager and my musical taste has certainly evolved.

 
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Great song.  I actually like Cornell's work more after Soundgarden, so will be interesting to see if he comes off the board in later rounds.

For my money on a short list for best rock vocalist of all time.
Yea.  He was amazing for sure.  I'm def more of an old school Soundgarden and Temple of the Dog(my fave)guy, but all his stuff is great.

 
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Music you experience as a teenager carries tribal connotations that don't fade away in a lifetime.  However much I try to listen for their artistic merits, Boston, Styx and REO will always be the music played by the uncool kids down the hall.

ETA:   Yeah, I was a teenage music snob
That doesn't account for my experiences hearing the Beatles and other Brit Invasion bands for the first time.  Or Green Day or tons of others.  Also, I didn't listen to music with a lot of other people.  I was listening to the radio for the most part.

And the uncool kids down the hall were playing Bread.  Ugh.  If I never hear Diary again, I'll be okay.

 
I was hoping Soundgarden would slip to my 2nd round pick, but no dice (personally I would've chosen Slaves and Bulldozers)... 

I guess I'll pick since Dreaded Marco said it was OK to skip him. 

1.30 Bob Dylan - Tangled Up in Blue

I'm about to fall asleep so I'll write something up tomorrow.

 
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I was hoping Soundgarden would slip to my 2nd round pick, but no dice (personally I would've chosen Slaves and Bulldozers)... 

I guess I'll pick since Dreaded Marco said it was OK to skip him. 

1.23 Bob Dylan - Tangled Up in Blue

I'm about to fall asleep so I'll write something up tomorrow.


This is someone I'd like to take but wouldn't have known where to go.  I'd say you chose well, though.  No doubt to me it's at least one of his very best.

 
 What are the rules on duets? Can we still draft Don't Go Breaking My Heart and Ebony and Ivory after the individuals have been drafted.

 
That doesn't account for my experiences hearing the Beatles and other Brit Invasion bands for the first time.  Or Green Day or tons of others.  Also, I didn't listen to music with a lot of other people.  I was listening to the radio for the most part.

And the uncool kids down the hall were playing Bread.  Ugh.  If I never hear Diary again, I'll be okay.


I dismissed Bread at the time too but I've liked some of their more rockin' stuff not by David Gates in the decades since.

 
One thing I will say: The music from 2002-2005 might just be to me like adolescent music to others. I'm still sold on it and remembering the good times I was going through when I listened to it. I was nearly thirty and then some after 2003, actually.

Listening to a single from that era that still evokes memories of bumping through the snow, about to take the LSAT, windows down in the parking lot, accidentally showing out for the serious crowd (not cognizant I was drawing attention with a boomin' system) blaring serious Tennessee hip hop from the tweets and woofs about being high-igh-igh-igh-igh-igh-igh-igh-igh.

 
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I was hoping Soundgarden would slip to my 2nd round pick, but no dice (personally I would've chosen Slaves and Bulldozers)... 

I guess I'll pick since Dreaded Marco said it was OK to skip him. 

1.30 Bob Dylan - Tangled Up in Blue

I'm about to fall asleep so I'll write something up tomorrow.
Can't go wrong here. My personal favorites are his relationship songs. "Boots Of Spanish Leather" and "Don't Think Twice, It's All Right" are two that have always stuck in my mind as possibly the best.

Related neat surprise: My Mobile Fidelity copies of Highway 61 Revisited and The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan are now up to at least over two hundred bucks each for used resale on Discogs. Debt, I'll see you later! 

I kid. Not selling.

 
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I would think one-off duets should not be eligible?  As opposed to full collaborations on an album?
I was going to be cheeky and test those waters by possibly eliminating two big artists with a collaboration that really might arguably be each huge artist's best song, but decided the draft had already seen enough problems getting off the ground without immediate controversy. But I cackled at the thought.

 
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I would think one-off duets should not be eligible?  As opposed to full collaborations on an album?
I was thinking mainly of a particular one-off, though this particular artist has a spectacular full-on collaboration album too.

I fine with no one-offs, though I suppose I could select Don't Go Breaking My Heart and file under Kiki Dee, which would suck for all the I Got the Music in Me fans.

 
I was going to be cheeky and eliminate two big artists with a collaboration that really might arguably be each artist's best song, but decided the draft had already seen enough problems getting off the ground without immediate controversy. But I cackled at the thought.
Hmmm, I don’t know who this would be and am intrigued.

I was looking at the question differently, though.  I thought it meant, for instance, could you take Ebony as the best song by PM and SW, meaning it only edges out the songs specifically by those two together.  But PM and SW would still be on the board as solo artists as well as for other collaborations and bands.  That seems not to be in the spirit of the draft.  

 
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I was thinking mainly of a particular one-off, though this particular artist has a spectacular full-on collaboration album too.

I fine with no one-offs, though I suppose I could select Don't Go Breaking My Heart and file under Kiki Dee, which would suck for all the I Got the Music in Me fans.
Well, it’s just my opinion and we should await clarification from the commish.  I could be looking at it wrong.

 
One thing I will say: The music from 2002-2005 might just be to me like adolescent music to others. I'm still sold on it and remembering the good times I was going through when I listened to it. I was nearly thirty and then some after 2003, actually.

Listening to a single from that era that still evokes memories of bumping through the snow, about to take the LSAT, windows down in the parking lot, accidentally showing out for the serious crowd (not cognizant I was drawing attention with a boomin' system) blaring serious Tennessee hip hop from the tweets and woofs about being high-igh-igh-igh-igh-igh-igh-igh-igh.
Narrator: This guy had to cancel those LSATs because he'd eaten three bowls of raisin bran and it moved him right in the middle of the exam with no recourse. Everybody, when he relayed that story later, found a circumstance such as that to be a laugh riot. He knew the test so cold that he could even identify the experimental section and took that section for his bathroom break, but couldn't chance it in the end.

True story. There was no right answer to one of the questions and another seemed awfully just...off. Both were worded wrong (unusually, I mean). I called up Kaplan afterward, who sends professional test takers out to the scenes to take the test and figure out which section is experimental, and sure enough, I told them the one it was. Never have I known a test so cold.

Don't ever let them tell you standardized tests measure pure aptitude. They measure, to a degree, how familiar you are with the test.

 
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Hmmm, I don’t know who this would be and am intrigued.

I was looking at the question differently, though.  I thought it meant, for instance, could you take Ebony as the best song by PM and SW, meaning it only edges out the songs specifically by those two.  But PM and SW would still be on the board as solo artists as well as for other collaborations and bands.  That seems not to be in the spirit of the draft.  
I'll PM you if you want.

Yeah, I wasn't clear on the rules regarding that, either. I'm not sure how it would be interpreted, so I'm sticking with bands and artists' main affiliation, and not concentrating on bands where guys went solo. The only way that'll come into play for me is that I would imagine participation in hip hop troupes don't eliminate solo efforts by those involved, and solo efforts don't eliminate hip hop troupes whose members are also solo, and that's as far as I got determining anything like that.

But yeah, I think if you pick Ebony and Ivory, both Stevie and Paul would be eliminated, no? Or am I misunderstanding the spirit?

 
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Listening to Side Three of The Times They Are A-Changin'

"Boots Of Spanish Leather" and "When The Ship Comes In" make for a really good listening experience.

 
One thing I will say: The music from 2002-2005 mist just be to me like adolescent music to others. I'm still sold on it and remembering the good times I was going through when I listened to it. I was nearly thirty and then some after 2003, actually.

Listening to a single from that era that still evokes memories of bumping through the snow, about to take the LSAT, windows down in the parking lot, accidentally showing out for the serious crowd (not cognizant I was drawing attention with a boomin' system) blaring serious Tennessee hip hop from the tweets and woofs about being high-igh-igh-igh-igh-igh-igh-igh-igh.
I completely agree.  Still arguably my favorite decade of music and I was 34 in 2001.  There was a lot of great music released in the aughts.  

This is an excellent segue.

Once @KarmaPolice passed on Radiohead, I thought I had Let Down, my favorite song, in the bag for round 1.  But @El Floppo sniped me again, as he is wont to do.

So, I'm going to go with one of my favorite bands that has been the most consistently great.

1.xx  Poor Places - Wilco

Should've been the closer and my favorite on the album.

 
fyi ...watching the "Sparks" documentary ...pretty good so far 

damn ...it's 2hr and 21 mintues

was never a huge fan - but did have "Kimono My House" (and knew of the Todd connection)

 
I completely agree.  Still arguably my favorite decade of music and I was 34 in 2001.  There was a lot of great music released in the aughts.  

This is an excellent segue.

Once @KarmaPolice passed on Radiohead, I thought I had Let Down, my favorite song, in the bag for round 1.  But @El Floppo sniped me again, as he is wont to do.

So, I'm going to go with one of my favorite bands that has been the most consistently great.

1.xx  Poor Places - Wilco

Should've been the closer and my favorite on the album.
Yeah, the aughts were great for music. Also, you're only a few years older than me!

I wondered when Wilco would go. This song does sound a bit like Radiohead, only more atonal in places. Then it sounds like The Beatles from the Day In The Life era a bit, but with dissonance from their psychedelic years. Then it sounds a lot like a modern band with the repitition of "Yankee. Hotel. Foxtrot."

That is a really interesting song.

 
I was going to be cheeky and test those waters by possibly eliminating two big artists with a collaboration that really might arguably be each huge artist's best song, but decided the draft had already seen enough problems getting off the ground without immediate controversy. But I cackled at the thought.
I could play this card.  There are a few of these waiting to stir up trouble.

We do need a ruling here.  

 
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that's because I know which way this board leans, so I decided to let everyone else fight over the bands you guys all love, and do other things with my picks.
I planned on taking Fields of Joy in the later rounds. I was the only one who drafted him in Genrapolooza so figured he'd be there.

 
Hmmm, I don’t know who this would be and am intrigued.

I was looking at the question differently, though.  I thought it meant, for instance, could you take Ebony as the best song by PM and SW, meaning it only edges out the songs specifically by those two together.  But PM and SW would still be on the board as solo artists as well as for other collaborations and bands.  That seems not to be in the spirit of the draft.  
If anyone thinks Ebony and Ivory is the best song by either of them they should be forever banned from these drafts,lol.

I'd say that a duet would eliminate the artist whose album it originally appeared on

 
No Baba even mentioned. Smh. T'was just last draft a couple of us considered it perhaps the greatest rock song of all-time. 

Love the Bad love. Would be surprisingly easy choice for me. And after some refresher listenin', studio and live, Levon and Sir Duke clear winners for me too. So this is a bit of an enlightening fool's errand. 

Hitch a Ride is the best song Boston made, imo. Pretty sure Brad and Tom agreed in some interview out there. They certainly put more time into it than any other. I guess there's only one wrong answer on the debut album. Lord, what a debut. 

Happy I chose an eclectic shtick. I can't be sniped without being humored. I've made tournament brackets for artists some of you likely have never heard. It's chill up in here. 20th century's yesterday. I have no need to go with the flow because I am the flow. /thcvape
Got some to pass to squis? 

 
I was hoping Soundgarden would slip to my 2nd round pick, but no dice (personally I would've chosen Slaves and Bulldozers)... 

I guess I'll pick since Dreaded Marco said it was OK to skip him. 

1.30 Bob Dylan - Tangled Up in Blue

I'm about to fall asleep so I'll write something up tomorrow.
Another artist I almost always take. Van and Dylan off the board gives me some freedom. 

 
This shtick is already taken by KarmaPolice.  ;)

I also don't get how someone can't evaluate music that was out before they were born (I certainly didn't experience The Beatles real-time).  "Damn, man, I might be into that Amadeus dude but I wasn't there for it so how would I know."
Dammit, is this just because I don't adore The Beatles??!!  ;)  

 
I love Zeppelin and know the catalogue well, but I always wonder what that generation thinks of my evaluation...if that makes sense.

There are also bands like Deep Purple and even early Bruce Springsteen that are nearly unlistenable for me.   I find that part intriguing from a generational perspective.  Is Deep purple one of those bands that everybody loved back in the day or were they a part of a smaller scene...I just don't know.  That's the only reason I reference generations.  

Stevie Wonder, The Beatles etc...everybody likes these guys and knows them...seemingly generation agnostic if you will.
Let's not get carried away, Trip. :lol:  

 
Personal thoughts on squistion's complaints:  I get it.  In a first draft of this sort, it's easy to worry and nitpick.  I've possibly been known to do that even when not my first draft.  :lol:   Add to that that he is, in my opinion, even above timschochet as the most picked-on and derided person on the board,* and it's easy to have concerns.  Who else had people changing their avatars just to make fun of them, not in a good-natured but in a mean-spirited way?  (I note that one of our drafters might still have such an avatar, which I hope he'll change.)

But music drafts are the one place on this site where I feel people come together and overlook any ####, political or otherwise, and just enjoy the discussion and getting to know people on a different plane.**  I mean, even rock and I became dear friends (I hope) through these threads.  So c'mon in and don't worry, squistion, all are welcome here, and you can just have a good time.

*I know some would argue that some of it is deserved, which is neither here nor there.

**I have had at least three participants in music drafts that I had to take off "ignore."  And I was happy to get to know different aspects of their personalities and lives.


At work I'm a female in a space heavily dominated by men.  Not law, though that was the case in the beginning of my career, but the particular specialty.  And I'm a soft-spoken female at that.  Not soft, but soft-spoken.  In the end my stereotypically "female" qualities in terms of emotional intelligence have often served me well against the testosterone-fueled bluster that has traditionally been the sign of a great negotiator, but it's always been a struggle. 

FFA is a place where I actually do feel heard and respected (generally), and the "no one reads my posts" is absolutely just a jokey meme from my first Beatles thread, though I'd be remiss in ignoring the "show me your cans" comments or the saucy PMs I got for a long while upon first appearance.  I'd expect simey has experienced the same; I only leave out Mrs. R because I think her "Mrs" might have deterred people.
100%  on the first bolded.    There are people I have grown to really dislike in the PSF, but all's good when we are talking about music and movies.   

2nd bolded is ridiculous, but then I remembered that guys are mostly predictable and gross.   (unless those PMs were from simey ?)  

 
This isn't necessarily so. It depends on the individual. My experience with thrash and late eighties glam has changed over the years. I now think that it's the stupid kids like me that were listening to that stuff, while kids who were listening to 120 Minutes and stuff like that were ahead of things. That's in retrospect. I used to find that music redundant, boring, and crusty, which is anything but the case now.

My favorite bands from my teen and college years have changed decade by decade. One favorite of mine now, who will go unnamed, probably released the song sung by the most teenage girls in the world (who don't know they wrote it) and I might have hated it but for the allure of the cover and the performances by the band late night as a teen. But since they were a 120 Minutes band, I didn't bother. Only later did I discover them and shed any teenage snobbiness towards them.
I think the connections E was talking about just makes it harder to break those emotional connections for the negative or positive?    There's still a handful of bands that I will forever have that emotional connection to from the HS/college days - RH, Pumpkins, Soundgarden, etc..      There are a handful of bands now that I love like Black Crowes and Pink Floyd that in order to get there with those bands there was a lot more negative b.s. to get over because of groups that listened to them or just my perception of the bands and songs.  

 
FFA is a place where I actually do feel heard and respected (generally), and the "no one reads my posts" is absolutely just a jokey meme from my first Beatles thread, though I'd be remiss in ignoring the "show me your cans" comments or the saucy PMs I got for a long while upon first appearance.  I'd expect simey has experienced the same; I only leave out Mrs. R because I think her "Mrs" might have deterred people.
Pretty sure the guy who's typing "show me your cans" won't be deterred by a "Mrs."

 

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