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Thomas Davis re-tears right ACL (1 Viewer)
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Fullback Fro
yesno
Jamar Williams - Though he was drafted fairly early, he was never really able to make himself known in CHI. Jury is still out.
5Rings
Lurker
Move him from strong to weak? and Connor back to strong?
kurtrudder
Footballguy
None of this seems clear cut at all.
What about James Anderson? He played weakside LB during his first few seasons....there seems to be a reshuffle of the depth chart coming quick smart
What about James Anderson? He played weakside LB during his first few seasons....there seems to be a reshuffle of the depth chart coming quick smart
Fullback Fro
yesno
Connor has been running as Beasons backup. Dan Connor has been working "exclusively" as the second-team middle linebacker behind Jon Beason this spring.
Apparently, he's not going to be given a chance to compete for the starting strong side job after all. James Anderson has been running as the starting SAM backer, though he's not as strong against the run as Connor. "I'm not really in charge," said a frustrated Connor. "I just kind of go with it."
Source: Gaston Gazette
Related: James Anderson
I think James Anderson stays on the strong. Connor's skillset projects and strong or middle. So unless they move things around he stays backup to strong and middle and Jamar looks to inherit the weak. Its all open right now though. I wouldn't be surprised if Beason, Anderson, and Connor are the 3 starters come Sept.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Given what has been happening in OTAs -- Connor at MLB, Anderson at SLB -- I think Williams will slot at WLB (and possibly every down). I think trading Harris for Williams was a sign that they don't think Connor is a great fit as an OLB in a Cover-2 scheme.
Don't wait to roster Williams. Get him now.
Don't wait to roster Williams. Get him now.
I have to agree with Jene on this one. As soon as I heard this news, I clamoured to get Jamar Williams in my leagues. Trust me, he will be the replacement on the weakside for Davis.
Just on the injury from a personal and team standpoint, it's really disappointing. After working his way back from the initial ACL tear, to suffer another one is just cruel. As a Panthers fan, it irks me to see such a great player be felled by two horrible injuries in the same year.
Just on the injury from a personal and team standpoint, it's really disappointing. After working his way back from the initial ACL tear, to suffer another one is just cruel. As a Panthers fan, it irks me to see such a great player be felled by two horrible injuries in the same year.
Raymell McKigney
Footballguy
thanks Dr Jene....you the man!! I'm deep in a dynasty start up and have back to back picks coming up.....I'm taking Williams and then Anderson just to be sure.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Let the bidding begin.
Raymell McKigney
Footballguy
Good call......I was just thinking the same thing. The first BB Waiver frenzy for the season!!Let the bidding begin.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
I wouldn't invest much in Anderson. If it's late and deep and there's no one else of value on the board, Anderson's an option.
Yep.No one should be expecting Davis' LB2+ numbers to fall directly to Williams, however. Beason, Marshall and probably Charles Godfrey may all see a little added value.Let the bidding begin.
kurtrudder
Footballguy
Jene, I noticed your other post with the dynasty start up your in, around the 18th round right now. Where are you thinking is the time to pull the trigger on Williams in that context? ASAP or maybe wait a few rounds?
ETA: It's a 12 team league and Davis went in the 13th round.
ETA: It's a 12 team league and Davis went in the 13th round.
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Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Yeah, he's moved up into the current tier of linebackers I'm considering. There have only been 31 LBs drafted so far, however, so I think this would be at the height of his potential value (not likely to have value in 2011 and beyond, risky to expect same numbers, etc). There's already been some chatting about Davis in the league chat room, however, so I'd expect him to go in the next 5-20 picks.
Fullback Fro
yesno
You have 1 second to answer this question?
Jamar Williams or Will Witherspoon
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Jamar Williams or Will Witherspoon
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Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Best case: Williams has more immediate upside. Neither are guaranteed jobs in 2011. Williams.
Polyethylene Bag
Footballguy
Any chance Beason moves to WLB and Connor to MLB?
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
I don't think so, but I suppose it could be possible with so much time in the offseason to adjust. I really think Beason is locked in at MLB now and nothing moves him from that role.
football fan
Footballguy
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true
Panthers hopeful that LB Davis can return from second ACL tear
NFL.com Wire Reports
Thomas Davis tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee for the second time in the past seven months, but the Carolina Panthers aren't giving up hope that the linebacker could return sometime this coming season, a source with knowledge of the situation told NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora.
The Panthers revealed the extent of Davis' injury Wednesday, one day after his knee buckled during a non-contact drill in a voluntary workout.
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Davis had been making a remarkably speedy recovery after he first injured the ACL during a Nov. 8 game at New Orleans. He was clocked last month running the 40-yard dash in 4.47 seconds, making the Panthers believe he could return to the form that allowed him to collect 71 tackles, 1.5 sacks and two interceptions in seven games before he was hurt last season.
"Thomas is an explosive player," Panthers general manager Marty Hurney said. "He's a playmaker, a leader, great in our locker room, and he's someone everybody respects. You always hate to lose somebody like that. You feel so bad for him because he really has worked so hard."
Davis wasn't wearing a knee brace Tuesday when he fell to the turf while backpedaling, similar to how he was injured the first time while dropping into pass coverage. He immediately clutched his right knee before walking off the field.
An MRI Tuesday afternoon showed the tear, but Davis and his agent, Todd France, wanted to receive a second opinion from renowned surgeon James Andrews. The doctor confirmed the injury Wednesday.
"If you know the kind of person and you know how hard he's been working to get back -- and basically almost at the finish line -- to have this happen is just so disappointing," France said of Davis. "The only thing I can say is if there is one person that can rehab again and do the whole thing over, he's the one who has the right attitude and the work ethic to do it."
There were immediate questions if Davis returned from the first knee injury too soon, but Hurney and France insisted that wasn't the case.
"Obviously, questions like that are asked when something like this happens, but it was the normal rehab procedure we've done with other people," Hurney said. "Even Thomas said he had felt very good about how the knee had felt."
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France indicated that Davis will undergo surgery either this weekend or sometime next week. It hasn't been determined if Andrews or the Panthers' team doctor will perform the procedure.
France said he was assured by Andrews that Davis can return to football. The injuries occurring so close together versus a couple of years apart prevents arthritis and other scar tissue concerns.
"He said there's no big picture issue, which is a great thing to hear," France said of Andrews.
That's significant because Davis, 27, will be an unrestricted free agent next spring after the Panthers offered him just a one-year, $3.268 million tender as a restricted free agent this offseason. Davis signed the tender shortly after being injured Tuesday.
"He'll surely be 100 percent come free agency and all that," France said. "I don't think that's going to be an issue. The long-term deal will work itself out."
The Panthers have the option of placing Davis on the physically-unable-to-perform list once he fails his training-camp physical. That would allow the team to activate Davis later in the season.
But Davis' injury leaves a void at one of the most important positions in defensive coordinator Ron Meeks' Cover-2 system. It calls for a speedy, athletic player to collect a big chunk of the tackles -- a position in which Davis thrived until he was hurt last season.
One option the Panthers haven't ruled out is moving Pro Bowl middle linebacker Jon Beason to Davis' spot. Jamar Williams, acquired from the Chicago Bears in the Chris Harris trade in April, James Anderson and Dan Connor are other possibilities.
Panthers hopeful that LB Davis can return from second ACL tear
NFL.com Wire Reports
Thomas Davis tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee for the second time in the past seven months, but the Carolina Panthers aren't giving up hope that the linebacker could return sometime this coming season, a source with knowledge of the situation told NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora.
The Panthers revealed the extent of Davis' injury Wednesday, one day after his knee buckled during a non-contact drill in a voluntary workout.
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Davis had been making a remarkably speedy recovery after he first injured the ACL during a Nov. 8 game at New Orleans. He was clocked last month running the 40-yard dash in 4.47 seconds, making the Panthers believe he could return to the form that allowed him to collect 71 tackles, 1.5 sacks and two interceptions in seven games before he was hurt last season.
"Thomas is an explosive player," Panthers general manager Marty Hurney said. "He's a playmaker, a leader, great in our locker room, and he's someone everybody respects. You always hate to lose somebody like that. You feel so bad for him because he really has worked so hard."
Davis wasn't wearing a knee brace Tuesday when he fell to the turf while backpedaling, similar to how he was injured the first time while dropping into pass coverage. He immediately clutched his right knee before walking off the field.
An MRI Tuesday afternoon showed the tear, but Davis and his agent, Todd France, wanted to receive a second opinion from renowned surgeon James Andrews. The doctor confirmed the injury Wednesday.
"If you know the kind of person and you know how hard he's been working to get back -- and basically almost at the finish line -- to have this happen is just so disappointing," France said of Davis. "The only thing I can say is if there is one person that can rehab again and do the whole thing over, he's the one who has the right attitude and the work ethic to do it."
There were immediate questions if Davis returned from the first knee injury too soon, but Hurney and France insisted that wasn't the case.
"Obviously, questions like that are asked when something like this happens, but it was the normal rehab procedure we've done with other people," Hurney said. "Even Thomas said he had felt very good about how the knee had felt."
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France indicated that Davis will undergo surgery either this weekend or sometime next week. It hasn't been determined if Andrews or the Panthers' team doctor will perform the procedure.
France said he was assured by Andrews that Davis can return to football. The injuries occurring so close together versus a couple of years apart prevents arthritis and other scar tissue concerns.
"He said there's no big picture issue, which is a great thing to hear," France said of Andrews.
That's significant because Davis, 27, will be an unrestricted free agent next spring after the Panthers offered him just a one-year, $3.268 million tender as a restricted free agent this offseason. Davis signed the tender shortly after being injured Tuesday.
"He'll surely be 100 percent come free agency and all that," France said. "I don't think that's going to be an issue. The long-term deal will work itself out."
The Panthers have the option of placing Davis on the physically-unable-to-perform list once he fails his training-camp physical. That would allow the team to activate Davis later in the season.
But Davis' injury leaves a void at one of the most important positions in defensive coordinator Ron Meeks' Cover-2 system. It calls for a speedy, athletic player to collect a big chunk of the tackles -- a position in which Davis thrived until he was hurt last season.
One option the Panthers haven't ruled out is moving Pro Bowl middle linebacker Jon Beason to Davis' spot. Jamar Williams, acquired from the Chicago Bears in the Chris Harris trade in April, James Anderson and Dan Connor are other possibilities.
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
Sad news about Davis.
What would a potential shift to WLB do to Beason's value?
What would a potential shift to WLB do to Beason's value?
duece2626
Footballguy
Don't even say those words!!
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Beason likely isn't going to move to WLB. They have some options to play WLB and moving Beason out of the middle really doesn't make any sense since he is one of the best MLBs in the game.
Also, the fact that Carolina isn't putting Davis on IR is bad news for his owners. Now they have to tie up a roster spot all year on a player that isn't going to play until late in the year, if at all.
Also, the fact that Carolina isn't putting Davis on IR is bad news for his owners. Now they have to tie up a roster spot all year on a player that isn't going to play until late in the year, if at all.
Markus P Dub
Footballguy
Per CBS rapid reports: According to one source, the Panthers are considering moving Jon Beason to WLB to fill in for Thomas Davis. Carolina's defense is built around the WLB, and now that Davis is likely done for the season, nobody on this roster is better at making plays than Beason.
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
D'oh! Williams has already been rostered in my league for a while now.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Wasn't O'Connor a 2nd rounder... its either time to give him a shot or cut the loses
saintfool
Dead sexy
i have read how fox is really high on norwood and they were trying to get on the field for obvious passing downs. does he get fast-tracked for development because of the injury? no one seems very high on connor or williams really.
ETA: it sounds like norwood would fit as their strong-side, if at all. they could shift anderson to WLB maybe and keep beason at MLB.
ETA: it sounds like norwood would fit as their strong-side, if at all. they could shift anderson to WLB maybe and keep beason at MLB.
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
Marty Hurney should get on the phone with Al Davis and ask him about Thomas Howard.
jsharlan
Footballguy
via rotoworld
Panthers MLB Jon Beason was working as the weak-side linebacker in Thursday's practice.
Interesting. Beason was considered an ideal fit for the WILL spot when he entered the league, and coordinator Ron Meeks' scheme funnels the majority of plays to that position. With Thomas Davis likely out for the season, the move could last. Dan Connor entered the lineup at middle backer Thursday, with James Anderson on the strong-side.
Maybe Conner will be the pickup afterall.
Panthers MLB Jon Beason was working as the weak-side linebacker in Thursday's practice.
Interesting. Beason was considered an ideal fit for the WILL spot when he entered the league, and coordinator Ron Meeks' scheme funnels the majority of plays to that position. With Thomas Davis likely out for the season, the move could last. Dan Connor entered the lineup at middle backer Thursday, with James Anderson on the strong-side.
Maybe Conner will be the pickup afterall.
Fighting Noles
Footballguy
Either way, I think people were too quick to dismiss the "possibility" of Beason moving out of the middle now that Davis is done EARLY in the year (as oppossed to last year).....
Zoomanji
Footballguy
who is the last rookie that Fox let onto the field?
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Crap. I was so happy to get him in a trade for very little... now it looks like that backfired on me.
Warpig
Footballguy
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
I saw a rotworld blurb where Beason says Connor could be good at MLB if Beason moves to the WLB. So someone other than this fantasy thread has floated the idea to Beason.I'm not saying it's going to happen, but if Conner at MLB and Beason at WLB > Beason at MLB and Williams at WLB, why not make that move? We know Beason can be a stud (reality wise) at the outside spot. And we know that Connor projects better at the MLB than probably anywhere else. I think he isn't in the middle now because Davis was so good at the weakside that it allowed Beason to remain in the middle as a luxury.I just hope it's cleared up before July 11th. I have to decide to keep Connor or cut him by then.
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JamesTheScot
Footballguy
I have Davis in the last year of his contract in an auction/contract league. He's a cut for me even with the news that he won't be put on IR. I think it's foolish to hang onto him on that news alone. He just tore the same ACL a second time in less than a year. Even if he rushes back before season's end, does he do anything other than struggle on the field at less than 100% physically or, worse, re-injures it a third time? To me, it's not worth the risk. I can do more with that roster spot and money than I can hoping against hope that he comes back and doesn't suck.Anthony Borbely said:
If he was a hold for someone if he went on IR, he still should be. But the news that he "might" not go on IR isn't enough reason to keep from cutting him if going on IR does make him a cut. I'm cutting bait and looking elsewhere.
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Rovers
Footballguy
Granted Anderson doesn't have the potential for points the other LB's have, I think he is a nice late pick. Over the last 5 games of 2009, he averaged 14.7 points in my tackle heavy start 3 LB leagues. That is with a paltry 6 point perfomance against Tampa thrown in. LB's get hurt all the time. Anderson had to plugged into my starting line up during the playoffs, and his 24 point performance in week 16 against Minny saved my bacon.
I don't know if teams were purposely running at him, but he put up respectable numbers at the end of the year.
I don't know if teams were purposely running at him, but he put up respectable numbers at the end of the year.
Fighting Noles
Footballguy
He was playing Davis' WLB spot then though I believe....
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msommer
Footballguy
Technically because there is at least one player on the team that didn't try before (Dr. Bramels run don't walk pick).That aside they have an entire camp to work out the best defense with the current players. There is nothing saying that they cannot improve on 2009. Nor is it cast in stone that they can. There is risk everywhere.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I doubt there will be anything new on this situation before training camp starts.
No update here.
But just a quick look at PFF rankings and Williams was 9th overall in OLB rankings. Obviously should be taken with a grain of salt but I think the guy can play. Its hard for me to see Beason ever playing WLB no matter what the coaching staff suggests. I think camp will prove Williams is the guy to own and has big time upside IMO.
But just a quick look at PFF rankings and Williams was 9th overall in OLB rankings. Obviously should be taken with a grain of salt but I think the guy can play. Its hard for me to see Beason ever playing WLB no matter what the coaching staff suggests. I think camp will prove Williams is the guy to own and has big time upside IMO.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Today, I think Connor at MLB has to be considered the favored outcome. There's time for the defense to adjust to those positions and it was the first instinct of the coaching staff to pursue that alignment. I like Williams, but Connor can handle the MLB position.I'm not yet ready to sell the farm for Connor until the first few days of camp play out, but it's risky to see Williams as anything more than a very high risk-reward target (huge upside if he's in the lineup, no value if not) right now.
