Thoughts on Brandon Lloyd (1 Viewer)

[Gatorman]

Got a trade offer the other day that got me thinking: At what point do you believe the hype on a player and trade an "upstart" for an established player:

This is not a "should I make this trade", but more of "when does performance matter"

Cases in Point: Arian Foster is the real deal at RB, and likely not worth anyone but the "big 2" (Peterson and CJ), but what about a WR?

Brandon Lloyd is the #2 WR in one league out the gate, so what is he worth?

If it was colston? Yeah, you probably make a deal

If it was Jennings? Now it starts to get a little cloudy

If it was Reggie Wayne? Probably not.

So what is he worth? Same thing goes for a guy like Orton. Is he elite now, or fools gold? Denver seems to want to throw the ball ala the patriots, so is lloyd the randy moss here?

I point out lloyd b/c of a few reasons. 1) I have been offered him and need an opinion (sure), 2) He is the most consistent of the Denver WRs. the other 3 guys have their good days and bad days, but Lloyd always gets his, and 3)At what point do you see a player for what he is THIS SEASON?

I am keeping my trade offer off here b/c then it becomes "rate this trade". Suffice to say it is an established receiver and other stuff for lloyd and some other stuff.

 

[John 14:6]

I'm debating between Lloyd and Harvin in one of my leagues...

 

[cubbie5150]

Speaking for myself, after week 4 is when I get amnesia about any player's draft position. Unfortunately, many owners can't let go of when they drafted their players.

 

[dagwood]

Be sure to consider how Moreno's return will affect Lloyds targets.

The offense will become more balanced (ie fewer passes) and some of the passes will go to Moreno as well.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Speaking for myself, after week 4 is when I get amnesia about any player's draft position.

Same here. Already dropped my picks from Rounds 5, 7 and 8. Lloyd is off the bench and plugged in.

 

[Warrior]

Got a trade offer the other day that got me thinking: At what point do you believe the hype on a player and trade an "upstart" for an established player:

This is not a "should I make this trade", but more of "when does performance matter"

Cases in Point: Arian Foster is the real deal at RB, and likely not worth anyone but the "big 2" (Peterson and CJ), but what about a WR?

Brandon Lloyd is the #2 WR in one league out the gate, so what is he worth?

If it was colston? Yeah, you probably make a deal

If it was Jennings? Now it starts to get a little cloudy

If it was Reggie Wayne? Probably not.

So what is he worth? Same thing goes for a guy like Orton. Is he elite now, or fools gold? Denver seems to want to throw the ball ala the patriots, so is lloyd the randy moss here?

I point out lloyd b/c of a few reasons. 1) I have been offered him and need an opinion (sure), 2) He is the most consistent of the Denver WRs. the other 3 guys have their good days and bad days, but Lloyd always gets his, and 3)At what point do you see a player for what he is THIS SEASON?

I am keeping my trade offer off here b/c then it becomes "rate this trade". Suffice to say it is an established receiver and other stuff for lloyd and some other stuff.

I'd say he definitely doesn't have Jennings value yet...maybe after another week or two of 100 yard games. Otherwise, no way.

 

[Devil in the Detail]

Got a trade offer the other day that got me thinking: At what point do you believe the hype on a player and trade an "upstart" for an established player:

This is not a "should I make this trade", but more of "when does performance matter"

Cases in Point: Arian Foster is the real deal at RB, and likely not worth anyone but the "big 2" (Peterson and CJ), but what about a WR?

Brandon Lloyd is the #2 WR in one league out the gate, so what is he worth?

If it was colston? Yeah, you probably make a deal

If it was Jennings? Now it starts to get a little cloudy

If it was Reggie Wayne? Probably not.

So what is he worth? Same thing goes for a guy like Orton. Is he elite now, or fools gold? Denver seems to want to throw the ball ala the patriots, so is lloyd the randy moss here?

I point out lloyd b/c of a few reasons. 1) I have been offered him and need an opinion (sure), 2) He is the most consistent of the Denver WRs. the other 3 guys have their good days and bad days, but Lloyd always gets his, and 3)At what point do you see a player for what he is THIS SEASON?

I am keeping my trade offer off here b/c then it becomes "rate this trade". Suffice to say it is an established receiver and other stuff for lloyd and some other stuff.

I'd say he definitely doesn't have Jennings value yet...maybe after another week or two of 100 yard games. Otherwise, no way.

I would rather have Lloyd than Jennings.

 

[Bri]

That guy is going to be the next Owens like Owens was the next Rice, just watch

 

[JbizzleMan]

I just grabbed him off waivers last night. He's currently the #5 WR in our league.

 

[Slevin Kelevra]

That guy is going to be the next Owens like Owens was the next Rice, just watch

what ??

 

[footballnerd]

I admit I slept on this guy. Thought there was too many viable targets on that squad but the number of targets he's getting is ridiculous. Why did I draft Gaffney again?

 

[cubbie5150]

I admit I slept on this guy. Thought there was too many viable targets on that squad but the number of targets he's getting is ridiculous. Why did I draft Gaffney again?

Same here...and I could use a WR1-type guy (let's just say I view a rookie--Tampa Mike--as my most "dependable" WR, in terms of targets). We use only blind bidding in my league; $120 season budget & one owner spent $30 to pick him up after week 2. I laughed then; he's laughing now.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Speaking for myself, after week 4 is when I get amnesia about any player's draft position. Unfortunately, many owners can't let go of when they drafted their players.

Which has its own practical applications, because you can trade a totally under performing top pick (Greene, DeAngelo Fitz, Moss) for way more than they're actually worth.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

What is Lloyd worth? I still think he's one of those guys who's value is not worth what he is producing. The difference you have at WR and RB is that there's only 1 RB if you're very good on a team. However, at WR you can have 2 to 3 different receivers that are very good and in Denver's case 4 that could potentially have a startable day in fantasy football.

That's at least part of the reason a guy like Arian Foster is more accepted as an elite player at his position than Lloyd would be at his position.

As far as Orton goes, I've been high on him since that last year in Chicago. He's far more accurate than people gave him credit for and would have had a better season last year if not for injuring his hand/finger in preseason last year. With Orton playing at a high level, I think Lloyd will continue to post solid numbers for most of the season. Does he finish in the top 5 at WR? My guess is no, there's just too many decent WR's in Denver, keep in mind we've only played 4 games so the sample size although getting larger, is just 1/4 of the season.

 

[Traders2001]

I have him as my WR4 and let me tell you i would not trade him for Colston , that s a sure thing.

And i dont think Moreno's return will affect anything as Moreno is worthless...

 

[dagwood]

I admit I slept on this guy. Thought there was too many viable targets on that squad but the number of targets he's getting is ridiculous. Why did I draft Gaffney again?

he has 40 targets. Gaffney has 34.Of course Orton is on pace to throw 700 passes.If he maintins that pace then I agree Lloyd will be a stud.If he moves back toward the norm, all receiver targets will decrease.

 

[Bri]

That guy is going to be the next Owens like Owens was the next Rice, just watch

what ??

That guy made some jaw dropping catches but otherwise stunk in San Fran. That above(or some variation) was said a zillion times. It's amazing really that he is suddenly a quality WR now. He shouldn't be. He should probably be home and out of the NFL. Some GM has probably been fired (partly) because he stunk. I've heard of 3rd year breakouts for WRs but 8th year breakout? Amazinghttp://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LloyBr00.htm

 

[LittlePhatty]

That guy made some jaw dropping catches but otherwise stunk in San Fran. That above(or some variation) was said a zillion times. It's amazing really that he is suddenly a quality WR now. He shouldn't be.I've heard of 3rd year breakouts for WRs but 8th year breakout? Amazing

So do you think he's the "real deal" to maintain this production for this season, plus years to come?I don't know, I haven't seen a single Denver game this year.Even if he slacks off this #5 pace (and I think he probably will), I'd be happy even if he finishes around WR#15 by the end of the season.

 

[Topes]

Got a trade offer the other day that got me thinking: At what point do you believe the hype on a player and trade an "upstart" for an established player:...Brandon Lloyd is the #2 WR in one league out the gate, so what is he worth?If it was colston? Yeah, you probably make a dealIf it was Jennings? Now it starts to get a little cloudyIf it was Reggie Wayne? Probably not.So what is he worth?

I'm confused here. You would trade lloyd for Colston, but not Lloyd for Wayne?As a Lloyd owner myself, I'd trade him for Wayne in a heartbeat. But I'd probably hold back on trading him for Colston.

 

[Topes]

far as Orton goes, I've been high on him since that last year in Chicago. He's far more accurate than people gave him credit for and would have had a better season last year if not for injuring his hand/finger in preseason last year.

Orton gets no respect. Reminds me a bit of the first couple years Garcia started in SF. There were all these excuses to dismiss the production.I think a big factor for Orton is his name. Just doesn't have any punch or zing, and some folk'll have a faint recollection of Cowboy Bob Orton.His peers just have better, catchier names./end hijack

 

[stp-d]

I have him as my WR4 and let me tell you i would not trade him for Colston , that s a sure thing.And i dont think Moreno's return will affect anything as Moreno is worthless...

I am not a Moreno owner, but to disregard his eventual effect on the passing game is a mistake.

 

[gradin123]

Anything to do with the Broncos pass game is a strong sell right now.

They have been passing at a crazy pace against mediocre to bad defenses.

Now their schedule is about to get brutal starting this week. Their next 3 games are Baltimore, Jets and Oaklnad. All good pass defenses. You can't be as one dimensional as they have been so far against good defenses. Orton is going to get killed.

 

[stp-d]

Got a trade offer the other day that got me thinking: At what point do you believe the hype on a player and trade an "upstart" for an established player:...Brandon Lloyd is the #2 WR in one league out the gate, so what is he worth?If it was colston? Yeah, you probably make a dealIf it was Jennings? Now it starts to get a little cloudyIf it was Reggie Wayne? Probably not.So what is he worth?

I'm confused here. You would trade lloyd for Colston, but not Lloyd for Wayne?As a Lloyd owner myself, I'd trade him for Wayne in a heartbeat. But I'd probably hold back on trading him for Colston.

we are talking Redraft correct?

 

[thehobbit]

I offered a more complicated trade, and gave that owner the Option of either Colston or Lloyd in the deal. They were more interested in Colston.

 

[Chaka]

Got a trade offer the other day that got me thinking: At what point do you believe the hype on a player and trade an "upstart" for an established player:...Brandon Lloyd is the #2 WR in one league out the gate, so what is he worth?If it was colston? Yeah, you probably make a dealIf it was Jennings? Now it starts to get a little cloudyIf it was Reggie Wayne? Probably not.So what is he worth?

I'm confused here. You would trade lloyd for Colston, but not Lloyd for Wayne?As a Lloyd owner myself, I'd trade him for Wayne in a heartbeat. But I'd probably hold back on trading him for Colston.

I read it as Wayne>Lloyd\Jennings>Colston

 

[JahVideo_Kilt_Radio_Star]

far as Orton goes, I've been high on him since that last year in Chicago. He's far more accurate than people gave him credit for and would have had a better season last year if not for injuring his hand/finger in preseason last year.

I think a big factor for Orton is his name. Just doesn't have any punch or zing, and some folk'll have a faint recollection of Cowboy Bob Orton.

So you're saying Kyle will be wearing a cast on his arm soon?Putting him on the block as I type.

 

[Topes]

Got a trade offer the other day that got me thinking: At what point do you believe the hype on a player and trade an "upstart" for an established player:

...

Brandon Lloyd is the #2 WR in one league out the gate, so what is he worth?

If it was colston? Yeah, you probably make a deal

If it was Jennings? Now it starts to get a little cloudy

If it was Reggie Wayne? Probably not.

So what is he worth?

I'm confused here. You would trade lloyd for Colston, but not Lloyd for Wayne?

As a Lloyd owner myself, I'd trade him for Wayne in a heartbeat. But I'd probably hold back on trading him for Colston.

I read it as Wayne>Lloyd\Jennings>Colston

I think you read that right. Down further, OP states "I have been offered him".I was mesmerized by the part about trading an upstart for an established player, from the first line in the post.

The thread is really about trading an established player for an upstart.

Nothing to see here. Move along...

 

[PhantomJB]

Anything to do with the Broncos pass game is a strong sell right now.They have been passing at a crazy pace against mediocre to bad defenses.Now their schedule is about to get brutal starting this week. Their next 3 games are Baltimore, Jets and Oaklnad. All good pass defenses. You can't be as one dimensional as they have been so far against good defenses. Orton is going to get killed.

Anything to do with Adrian Peterson is a strong sell right now. His next 3 games are Jets (#4 rush D), Cowboys (#8 rush D) and Packers (2009 #1 rush D).Peterson is going to get killed.

 

[Bri]

That guy made some jaw dropping catches but otherwise stunk in San Fran. That above(or some variation) was said a zillion times. It's amazing really that he is suddenly a quality WR now. He shouldn't be.I've heard of 3rd year breakouts for WRs but 8th year breakout? Amazing

So do you think he's the "real deal" to maintain this production for this season, plus years to come?I don't know, I haven't seen a single Denver game this year.Even if he slacks off this #5 pace (and I think he probably will), I'd be happy even if he finishes around WR#15 by the end of the season.

At this point what can I say? Half the world was wrong that he'd be a good WR, half that he'd never amount to anything and now...who knows. I'd probably holler at Cecil or read his stuff as he follows the Broncos so closely. He'd know and in this case, ya gotta go with someone that has seen as much as possible.

 

[Instinctive]

Why are we acting like this is unprecedented when 10 years (I think) ago we had the exact same thing happen with Muhsin Muhammed?

 

[Bri]

Why are we acting like this is unprecedented when 10 years (I think) ago we had the exact same thing happen with Muhsin Muhammed?

how do you figure?

 

[Instinctive]

Why are we acting like this is unprecedented when 10 years (I think) ago we had the exact same thing happen with Muhsin Muhammed?

how do you figure?

Well he was good his 4th and 5th seasons, but then he kind of disappeared for a few years didn't he?ETA: before coming back with roughly 1400 yards iirc

 

[Zackattack]

Why are we acting like this is unprecedented when 10 years (I think) ago we had the exact same thing happen with Muhsin Muhammed?

how do you figure?

Well he was good his 4th and 5th seasons, but then he kind of disappeared for a few years didn't he?ETA: before coming back with roughly 1400 yards iirc

He did blow up one year. Delholme is known for locking on to one reciever. look at the Steve Smith years. Otherwise he was a wash. Carolina didn't throw that much. The situation is different. Expecting lloyd to have a great year is asking alot. Denver spreads the ball around. The pass attempts will go down. Defenses will get better. lloyd will go back to be bieng average.

 

[Runningman]

Speaking for myself, after week 4 is when I get amnesia about any player's draft position. Unfortunately, many owners can't let go of when they drafted their players.

Yeah and this is unfortunate if you are trying to trade. Unless of cousre they are the ones to be fortunate enough to draft a sleeper that hits. Triedto make a trade that included Deangelo Williams, not happening cause he is a 2nd round draft pick and I need to sweeten the deal while I was thinking I was sweetening the deal by taking him off his hands. guess not.

 

[fsufan]

was this guy just not used right in san fran? 135 yards and 2 TDs today. WW pick up of the year

 

[hbkhbk]

was this guy just not used right in san fran? 135 yards and 2 TDs today. WW pick up of the year

It was Alex Smith... Lloyd was the man in SF when Tim Rattay was throwing him the ball...

 

[ThePittbully]

The clip of him ducking the pass in San Fran is infamous, but the guy is money this season. Waiver Wire pick up of the year through 5 weeks