Threat against my son - am I wrong to be freaking out? (1 Viewer)

[tommyboy]

A disturbing story unfolding involving threats against my 10-year-old son by another kid in his fifth grade class. I'm concerned, worried and mad, but suspect that I may need a bit of a gut check. Here's the situation:....

----p.p.s. And one other odd fact. The track season is almost over. There is one more meet. My son is only one of three boys from his class on the team. Apparently, yesterday, when the season is just about over, Greg decided to join the track team. He didn't go to yesterday's meet as it was too late. But it's odd to join a sport so late in the year. Could it be that he wants to get closer to my son, particularly when they will be off campus and largely unsupervised? Probably not, but it's a nagging question.

not freaking out, the whole story is ridiculous not because of you but because of the kid, greg. I'd call the mom, personally, and let her know in no uncertain terms that this boy is out of control and you'll do everything in your power to get him out of the school. I'd also tell her that if her son is anywhere near your son at any time for the rest of the school year, you will personally deliver the punishment, since she obviously isn't capable of it, or willing to discipline her own ####### kid. The last step i'd take is I would, tomorrow, drop my boy off at school and go to class with him,. I would grab Greg by the shirt collar and yank him out of his desk in front of every other kid in the class and say very loudly so everyone can hear, "if you touch my son or threaten him in any way, ever again, I will make you pay dearly". Then leave.

if you get in trouble, so be it. You're a man, you can handle it.

 

[Dragons]

A disturbing story unfolding involving threats against my 10-year-old son by another kid in his fifth grade class. I'm concerned, worried and mad, but suspect that I may need a bit of a gut check. Here's the situation:....

----p.p.s. And one other odd fact. The track season is almost over. There is one more meet. My son is only one of three boys from his class on the team. Apparently, yesterday, when the season is just about over, Greg decided to join the track team. He didn't go to yesterday's meet as it was too late. But it's odd to join a sport so late in the year. Could it be that he wants to get closer to my son, particularly when they will be off campus and largely unsupervised? Probably not, but it's a nagging question.

not freaking out, the whole story is ridiculous not because of you but because of the kid, greg. I'd call the mom, personally, and let her know in no uncertain terms that this boy is out of control and you'll do everything in your power to get him out of the school. I'd also tell her that if her son is anywhere near your son at any time for the rest of the school year, you will personally deliver the punishment, since she obviously isn't capable of it, or willing to discipline her own ####### kid. The last step i'd take is I would, tomorrow, drop my boy off at school and go to class with him,. I would grab Greg by the shirt collar and yank him out of his desk in front of every other kid in the class and say very loudly so everyone can hear, "if you touch my son or threaten him in any way, ever again, I will make you pay dearly". Then leave.

if you get in trouble, so be it. You're a man, you can handle it.

This is certainly one way to handle it.

 

[Henry Ford]

Am I correct that bb is a lawyer? Never hurts to be an officer of the court when bringing something like this to someone's attention. Glad they listened.

 

[Fennis]

A disturbing story unfolding involving threats against my 10-year-old son by another kid in his fifth grade class. I'm concerned, worried and mad, but suspect that I may need a bit of a gut check. Here's the situation:....

----p.p.s. And one other odd fact. The track season is almost over. There is one more meet. My son is only one of three boys from his class on the team. Apparently, yesterday, when the season is just about over, Greg decided to join the track team. He didn't go to yesterday's meet as it was too late. But it's odd to join a sport so late in the year. Could it be that he wants to get closer to my son, particularly when they will be off campus and largely unsupervised? Probably not, but it's a nagging question.

not freaking out, the whole story is ridiculous not because of you but because of the kid, greg. I'd call the mom, personally, and let her know in no uncertain terms that this boy is out of control and you'll do everything in your power to get him out of the school. I'd also tell her that if her son is anywhere near your son at any time for the rest of the school year, you will personally deliver the punishment, since she obviously isn't capable of it, or willing to discipline her own ####### kid. The last step i'd take is I would, tomorrow, drop my boy off at school and go to class with him,. I would grab Greg by the shirt collar and yank him out of his desk in front of every other kid in the class and say very loudly so everyone can hear, "if you touch my son or threaten him in any way, ever again, I will make you pay dearly". Then leave.

if you get in trouble, so be it. You're a man, you can handle it.

This is certainly one way to handle it.

and that's him not freaking out.

 

[bigbottom]

Nothing new to report. Apparently, the boys were told during the interviews that they weren't to talk about the situation. So Greg was gone today and apparently no one mentioned anything or talked about it. Only one call from a fellow parent asking what was going on (and she had a positive reaction to the news). Otherwise, all quiet.

I really want to thank everyone for your contributions to this thread. It's a sad situation, but we're relieved nonetheless.

 

[johnnycakes]

After the rash of school shootings and standings we keep hearing about? Your concern is entirely justified. I'd assemble a scrapbook of all such incidents nationwide over the last 10 years and plop that down on the principal's desk and ask him if he's waiting for his school to be next with respect to that troublemaker.

 

[Runningman]

A disturbing story unfolding involving threats against my 10-year-old son by another kid in his fifth grade class. I'm concerned, worried and mad, but suspect that I may need a bit of a gut check. Here's the situation:....

----p.p.s. And one other odd fact. The track season is almost over. There is one more meet. My son is only one of three boys from his class on the team. Apparently, yesterday, when the season is just about over, Greg decided to join the track team. He didn't go to yesterday's meet as it was too late. But it's odd to join a sport so late in the year. Could it be that he wants to get closer to my son, particularly when they will be off campus and largely unsupervised? Probably not, but it's a nagging question.

not freaking out, the whole story is ridiculous not because of you but because of the kid, greg. I'd call the mom, personally, and let her know in no uncertain terms that this boy is out of control and you'll do everything in your power to get him out of the school. I'd also tell her that if her son is anywhere near your son at any time for the rest of the school year, you will personally deliver the punishment, since she obviously isn't capable of it, or willing to discipline her own ####### kid. The last step i'd take is I would, tomorrow, drop my boy off at school and go to class with him,. I would grab Greg by the shirt collar and yank him out of his desk in front of every other kid in the class and say very loudly so everyone can hear, "if you touch my son or threaten him in any way, ever again, I will make you pay dearly". Then leave.

if you get in trouble, so be it. You're a man, you can handle it.

This is certainly one way to handle it.

and that's him not freaking out.

I'm 40! I'm a man!

 

[Fennis]

Here’s a story about a kid of a very good friend of mine. Ill call the kid Greg.

Greg is 11 now, but he had an especially tough time when he was in 4th grade. He is an odd kid, he has been diagnosed with ADHD and a doctor said he was autistic, but his parents didn’t want to go down that route, so AFAIK he was never really diagnosed. Greg’s parents are divorced and I think some of the stress of having a special needs/difficult child is the reason behind it. Greg’s dad loves him very much, but has confided in me that he wishes his son was more “normal” and acted like other kids.

Anyway, when Greg was 9 , kids would tease him pretty harshly. They would call him names and Greg’s reaction was to get super stiff, his face would turn bright red and he would clench his fists. It would look like he wasn’t breathing. The more they teased the redder and stiffer he would get. Then they would turn to the stuff they new would set him off. They would call him dumb and stupid and a #######. What’s weird is Greg does really well in school. He’s not dumb, but call him those names and look out. Anyway, as soon as they got to ####### he would explode and often attack them. They mostly would laugh and run at that point. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if he threatened to kill them more than once.

Greg had it really tough. When he was included he was teased. When he was excluded he would sulk.

I work with a lot of very successful programmers who remind me a lot of Greg’s personality. They don’t have the temper he does, I do wonder if they just outgrew it at some point.

Greg’s dad never took him to the shooting range, but when he was 8 he have a party at an indoor Go-Kart track. The kids were too young, but allowed to race. Greg’s Dad didn’t tell me, but I think he did it because he wanted kids to like Greg.

Greg was never kicked out of school, but he was suspended twice for fighting in the fourth grade.

The Greg I know is a good, sweet, but very awkward and different type of kid. I like to play video games with him.

I think BB did the right thing, but there are two sides to every story.

 

[bigbottom]

I think BB did the right thing, but there are two sides to every story.

Of course. But there is no evidence whatsoever that the Greg here was being taunted and bullied. Multiple children in the class had confided in their parents that they were extremely afraid of him. And this class has never had any history of taunting/bullying before. And if that were happening, I'm confident it would have come out during the one on one interviews. Spoke to the principal after his meeting with Greg's mom and he indicated that she acknowledged her son's behavioral problems.But it appears that like your Greg, this Greg is having a really tough go of it. I really hope things turn around for him.

 

[cstu]

Greg is 11 now, but he had an especially tough time when he was in 4th grade. He is an odd kid, he has been diagnosed with ADHD and a doctor said he was autistic, but his parents didn’t want to go down that route, so AFAIK he was never really diagnosed. Greg’s parents are divorced and I think some of the stress of having a special needs/difficult child is the reason behind it. Greg’s dad loves him very much, but has confided in me that he wishes his son was more “normal” and acted like other kids.

Every special needs parent wants their kid to be 'normal' but there's no excuse for failing to get help for the kid. Early Intervention programs and ABA therapy make a huge difference.

 

[pittstownkiller]

I am glad that BB kid is OK, but the speed at which the principal acted seems problematic to me. It makes sense to suspend the kid immediately and remove him from the situation. You can then investigate and take the proper action. But to talk to a handful of kids over and a teacher over a couple of hours and take that action over threats seems pretty quick to me. I guess we are living in a hyper sensitive world. Maybe rightfully.

I'm guessing the interviews with the the students revealed probably a lot more then even bb knows.

The quick action may have also been the result of the teacher spilling her beans as well. I believe the teacher told the princiapal that she contacted Greg's mom over some issues. Those probably included Greg issues that BB does not know about. Another possibility is that the principal knew of some of these Greg issues and this was the final straw. The role of Greg's mom in this story is probably a mess. She probably lets her son do whatever he wants out of fear or pity if she knows he is being abused. I doubt it was her idea to have a gun range party. Greg likely demanded it and she gave in like she always does. When the teacher called to complain about her sons's fighting and outbursts, she probably did nothing. This is likely a case of the kid running the show at mom's house.

With insight like this you should pick winning lottery numbers. @ the concept that a 10 year old knows what a gun range is; who is he "Baby Face Finster"?

And I laugh at you and your stupidity. That is hysterical that you think that 10-year kids do not know what a gun range is. I have nephews that have been going to gun ranges almost weekly since they were 8 years old. They ask to go to THE GUN RANGE. These kids are 10 not 4. Wise up.

I am laughing at all your speculation-turned-fact. I am glad that you know of one child that has been to a gun range and then extrapolate from that this kid knew enough to ask for a birthday party at this range; 10-year-olds have such a good idea of tying businesses to birthday parties. I also like your quick analysis of the mother; can I guess the mother of your nephews fit this profile?

 

[pittstownkiller]

Keep us updated on whether the teacher lasts. While I agree that the trouble with the kid obviously originates from home and would also suspect abuse from his father or mom's boyfriend, those trying to give the teacher a pass are obviously biased teachers. Where the teacher failed is not in that he/she couldn't control this kid, but in not reporting what was going on to the parents of the kids involved. She apparently was able to make calls to Gregs mom. At the same time, she should have made calls to BB and any other kid involved. There's the off chance that she actually reported it to the principal and he directed her to keep quiet. The swiftness in booting the kid could even indicate this is what happened, he's covering his ###. But, I have a hard time believe this and if BB can report whether his kid was actually interviewed yesterday. Why bother going through this step if the principal already knew everything about what had been happening?

Why do so many people suspect abuse? I know kids who are "off" that have real bad tantrums and they are not getting abused in any way. In fact, it is often the opposite, the parents have little control and tend to coddle the kids so much that they feed into the lack of responsibility/social ability the kid's have. Some of these kids get better with age when they realize they can't act that way and have friends, i.e. other people don't coddle them and they mature and grow up, but some are real sociopaths and turn into people that shoot up schools. (Note: none of the kids I have met seem to come close to this kid where I would be legitimately afraid of what they would do). I am not in the psych profession, so this is just my opinion. I tend to think of kids that are abused as kids that become depressed and withdrawn, completely opposite of this kid. This kid seems like a mental health issue and the dad could be gone (like the Sandy Hook killer) because he couldn't handle it. The mom in this case seems to have the same issues (the mom could have passed this trait) just like the Sandy Hook mom who even though her kid was violent kept guns around the house. This mom seems to know the issues with her kid, but also seems off enough to think going to a gun range for a birthday for her obviously violent kid is a good choice. BB, I wish you all the best, but if you are giving us the 100% truth, this kid really sounds like he will at some point end up hurting someone really badly. To be honest, if the parents of the girl who likes your son aren't aware of anything then you may want to reach out to them. I would be worried if that kid had a crush on my daughter.

Your "facts" in relation to the Sandy Hook Killer are not very well supported by most profiles of Lanza; your speculation on the mother of Greg, is just that. I am sure by your indepth analysis of this story, you would have Greg committed. I have no problem that Greg was asked to leave the school, it is what you pay for in a private school, I just don't see throwing Greg on some kind of garbage heap at 10-years-old or the need to run down his parents. The father of Lanza was "crushed" by the divorce, by all accounts, and went out of his way to provide for his family after (including a $250,000/year alimony payment); not to mention their other son is "ideal" and is well on his way in a financial career.

 

[quickhands]

Heres a story about a kid of a very good friend of mine. Ill call the kid Greg.

Greg is 11 now, but he had an especially tough time when he was in 4th grade. He is an odd kid, he has been diagnosed with ADHD and a doctor said he was autistic, but his parents didnt want to go down that route, so AFAIK he was never really diagnosed. Gregs parents are divorced and I think some of the stress of having a special needs/difficult child is the reason behind it. Gregs dad loves him very much, but has confided in me that he wishes his son was more normal and acted like other kids.

Anyway, when Greg was 9 , kids would tease him pretty harshly. They would call him names and Gregs reaction was to get super stiff, his face would turn bright red and he would clench his fists. It would look like he wasnt breathing. The more they teased the redder and stiffer he would get. Then they would turn to the stuff they new would set him off. They would call him dumb and stupid and a #######. Whats weird is Greg does really well in school. Hes not dumb, but call him those names and look out. Anyway, as soon as they got to ####### he would explode and often attack them. They mostly would laugh and run at that point. It wouldnt surprise me in the slightest if he threatened to kill them more than once.

Greg had it really tough. When he was included he was teased. When he was excluded he would sulk.

I work with a lot of very successful programmers who remind me a lot of Gregs personality. They dont have the temper he does, I do wonder if they just outgrew it at some point.

Gregs dad never took him to the shooting range, but when he was 8 he have a party at an indoor Go-Kart track. The kids were too young, but allowed to race. Gregs Dad didnt tell me, but I think he did it because he wanted kids to like Greg.

Greg was never kicked out of school, but he was suspended twice for fighting in the fourth grade.

The Greg I know is a good, sweet, but very awkward and different type of kid. I like to play video games with him.

I think BB did the right thing, but there are two sides to every story.

Wow. I guess greg will learn that just cuz he was teased doesn't give him the right to hurt others.But what about the kid that bb is talking about?

 

[pittstownkiller]

Heres a story about a kid of a very good friend of mine. Ill call the kid Greg.

Greg is 11 now, but he had an especially tough time when he was in 4th grade. He is an odd kid, he has been diagnosed with ADHD and a doctor said he was autistic, but his parents didnt want to go down that route, so AFAIK he was never really diagnosed. Gregs parents are divorced and I think some of the stress of having a special needs/difficult child is the reason behind it. Gregs dad loves him very much, but has confided in me that he wishes his son was more normal and acted like other kids.

Anyway, when Greg was 9 , kids would tease him pretty harshly. They would call him names and Gregs reaction was to get super stiff, his face would turn bright red and he would clench his fists. It would look like he wasnt breathing. The more they teased the redder and stiffer he would get. Then they would turn to the stuff they new would set him off. They would call him dumb and stupid and a #######. Whats weird is Greg does really well in school. Hes not dumb, but call him those names and look out. Anyway, as soon as they got to ####### he would explode and often attack them. They mostly would laugh and run at that point. It wouldnt surprise me in the slightest if he threatened to kill them more than once.

Greg had it really tough. When he was included he was teased. When he was excluded he would sulk.

I work with a lot of very successful programmers who remind me a lot of Gregs personality. They dont have the temper he does, I do wonder if they just outgrew it at some point.

Gregs dad never took him to the shooting range, but when he was 8 he have a party at an indoor Go-Kart track. The kids were too young, but allowed to race. Gregs Dad didnt tell me, but I think he did it because he wanted kids to like Greg.

Greg was never kicked out of school, but he was suspended twice for fighting in the fourth grade.

The Greg I know is a good, sweet, but very awkward and different type of kid. I like to play video games with him.

I think BB did the right thing, but there are two sides to every story.

Wow. I guess greg will learn that just cuz he was teased doesn't give him the right to hurt others.But what about the kid that bb is talking about?

Would BB been alright with his son being teased like this "Greg" was?

 

[bigbottom]

Heres a story about a kid of a very good friend of mine. Ill call the kid Greg.

Greg is 11 now, but he had an especially tough time when he was in 4th grade. He is an odd kid, he has been diagnosed with ADHD and a doctor said he was autistic, but his parents didnt want to go down that route, so AFAIK he was never really diagnosed. Gregs parents are divorced and I think some of the stress of having a special needs/difficult child is the reason behind it. Gregs dad loves him very much, but has confided in me that he wishes his son was more normal and acted like other kids.

Anyway, when Greg was 9 , kids would tease him pretty harshly. They would call him names and Gregs reaction was to get super stiff, his face would turn bright red and he would clench his fists. It would look like he wasnt breathing. The more they teased the redder and stiffer he would get. Then they would turn to the stuff they new would set him off. They would call him dumb and stupid and a #######. Whats weird is Greg does really well in school. Hes not dumb, but call him those names and look out. Anyway, as soon as they got to ####### he would explode and often attack them. They mostly would laugh and run at that point. It wouldnt surprise me in the slightest if he threatened to kill them more than once.

Greg had it really tough. When he was included he was teased. When he was excluded he would sulk.

I work with a lot of very successful programmers who remind me a lot of Gregs personality. They dont have the temper he does, I do wonder if they just outgrew it at some point.

Gregs dad never took him to the shooting range, but when he was 8 he have a party at an indoor Go-Kart track. The kids were too young, but allowed to race. Gregs Dad didnt tell me, but I think he did it because he wanted kids to like Greg.

Greg was never kicked out of school, but he was suspended twice for fighting in the fourth grade.

The Greg I know is a good, sweet, but very awkward and different type of kid. I like to play video games with him.

I think BB did the right thing, but there are two sides to every story.

Wow. I guess greg will learn that just cuz he was teased doesn't give him the right to hurt others.But what about the kid that bb is talking about?

Would BB been alright with his son being teased like this "Greg" was?

I wouldn't be all right with any child being teased and called a ####### like Fennis' Greg was. And if the child were autistic, I'd have even more of a problem with it.

 

[pittstownkiller]

I thought I posted this, so excuse me if it is a repeat: BB what is the (rough) tuition for this school; what is your profile of Greg's family (if you feel like answering)?

 

[bigbottom]

I thought I posted this, so excuse me if it is a repeat: BB what is the (rough) tuition for this school; what is your profile of Greg's family (if you feel like answering)?

Around 13k. Don't know much about this family, other than what I've shared. Divorced parents, he lives with his mom. The times I've met her, she was very friendly and extremely nice. Haven't met the father, but I checked the birthday party invitation and he co-hosted, so he's around. Other than perhaps the birthday party, no red flags that I've seen in terms of the family situation.

 

[pittstownkiller]

I thought I posted this, so excuse me if it is a repeat: BB what is the (rough) tuition for this school; what is your profile of Greg's family (if you feel like answering)?

Around 13k. Don't know much about this family, other than what I've shared. Divorced parents, he lives with his mom. The times I've met her, she was very friendly and extremely nice. Haven't met the father, but I checked the birthday party invitation and he co-hosted, so he's around. Other than perhaps the birthday party, no red flags that I've seen in terms of the family situation.

I know that some wonder why I feel the need to defend this lady but the diatribe about the mother, by others, is insufferable. Dropping an extra $1,400 per month (during the school year) doesn't seem to be the actions of a trailer-trash, bar-floozy, "doormat for men".

 

[Insein]

Nothing new to report. Apparently, the boys were told during the interviews that they weren't to talk about the situation. So Greg was gone today and apparently no one mentioned anything or talked about it. Only one call from a fellow parent asking what was going on (and she had a positive reaction to the news). Otherwise, all quiet.I really want to thank everyone for your contributions to this thread. It's a sad situation, but we're relieved nonetheless.

As well that ends well. You handled this pretty admirably from what you wrote. Good on you for being the adult in the situation. There's a time to be a macho guy and this isn't one of them. This didn't seem like a "boys will be boys" thing that your son should handle. With the media these days parading every school shooter on the news as an icon, you can't be too careful with a damaged young mind like this greg. He may see stuff like that and think "yea that will get me noticed."

So good job taking it to the principal. I hope I can stay as level headed if the situation arises for my kids.

 

[simey]

I thought I posted this, so excuse me if it is a repeat: BB what is the (rough) tuition for this school; what is your profile of Greg's family (if you feel like answering)?

Around 13k. Don't know much about this family, other than what I've shared. Divorced parents, he lives with his mom. The times I've met her, she was very friendly and extremely nice. Haven't met the father, but I checked the birthday party invitation and he co-hosted, so he's around. Other than perhaps the birthday party, no red flags that I've seen in terms of the family situation.

I know that some wonder why I feel the need to defend this lady but the diatribe about the mother, by others, is insufferable. Dropping an extra $1,400 per month (during the school year) doesn't seem to be the actions of a trailer-trash, bar-floozy, "doormat for men".

Some kids are just mean. When I taught there was a 5th grade kid that reminds me a lot of Greg. He was kicked out of another school for stabbing a girl with a pencil. He was adopted, and his mother was very nice and caring. She had another adopted kid at the school who was younger, and he was sweet as can be. She was very involved in trying to help her troubled kid. Anyway, a month ago I saw the face of the kid who reminds me of Greg on the evening news. His body was found in a lake, and the cause of death was homicide. He was 18. I wasn't surprised.

 

[SwampDawg]

It's a private school right? Which means you are paying for it? Tell them to expel him or you pack your bags and go to another school and convince many other parents to do the same.

Pretty much what I was thinking, isn't that the reason you pay for a private school ? Sounds like no one likes this kid and he has issues with more then just your son.

 

[pittstownkiller]

I thought I posted this, so excuse me if it is a repeat: BB what is the (rough) tuition for this school; what is your profile of Greg's family (if you feel like answering)?

Around 13k. Don't know much about this family, other than what I've shared. Divorced parents, he lives with his mom. The times I've met her, she was very friendly and extremely nice. Haven't met the father, but I checked the birthday party invitation and he co-hosted, so he's around. Other than perhaps the birthday party, no red flags that I've seen in terms of the family situation.

I know that some wonder why I feel the need to defend this lady but the diatribe about the mother, by others, is insufferable. Dropping an extra $1,400 per month (during the school year) doesn't seem to be the actions of a trailer-trash, bar-floozy, "doormat for men".

Some kids are just mean. When I taught there was a 5th grade kid that reminds me a lot of Greg. He was kicked out of another school for stabbing a girl with a pencil. He was adopted, and his mother was very nice and caring. She had another adopted kid at the school who was younger, and he was sweet as can be. She was very involved in trying to help her troubled kid. Anyway, a month ago I saw the face of the kid who reminds me of Greg on the evening news. His body was found in a lake, and the cause of death was homicide. He was 18. I wasn't surprised.

Some kids are just mean, not necessarily a reflection of the parents.

 

[SwampDawg]

The issue is the teacher, who has lost control of the classroom. Greg's situation is so far gone that he's unlikely to ever be accepted by the other boys if they are scared of him now. Kid needs help and a change of scenery.

The teacher has some blame for sure but the real issue is Greg's parents and their total lack of actual parenting.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Start arming your boy before he leaves for school. Problem solved.

WTF, this is a private school so that means you are paying for the privilege to have your child get abused everyday. I think you can find better ways to spend your money.

 

[Joe Summer]

I thought I posted this, so excuse me if it is a repeat: BB what is the (rough) tuition for this school; what is your profile of Greg's family (if you feel like answering)?

Around 13k. Don't know much about this family, other than what I've shared. Divorced parents, he lives with his mom. The times I've met her, she was very friendly and extremely nice. Haven't met the father, but I checked the birthday party invitation and he co-hosted, so he's around. Other than perhaps the birthday party, no red flags that I've seen in terms of the family situation.

I know that some wonder why I feel the need to defend this lady but the diatribe about the mother, by others, is insufferable. Dropping an extra $1,400 per month (during the school year) doesn't seem to be the actions of a trailer-trash, bar-floozy, "doormat for men".

Maybe Greg's tuition is subsidized by the juvenile court system?

 

[DocHolliday]

I am glad that BB kid is OK, but the speed at which the principal acted seems problematic to me. It makes sense to suspend the kid immediately and remove him from the situation. You can then investigate and take the proper action. But to talk to a handful of kids over and a teacher over a couple of hours and take that action over threats seems pretty quick to me. I guess we are living in a hyper sensitive world. Maybe rightfully.

I'm guessing the interviews with the the students revealed probably a lot more then even bb knows.

The quick action may have also been the result of the teacher spilling her beans as well. I believe the teacher told the princiapal that she contacted Greg's mom over some issues. Those probably included Greg issues that BB does not know about. Another possibility is that the principal knew of some of these Greg issues and this was the final straw. The role of Greg's mom in this story is probably a mess. She probably lets her son do whatever he wants out of fear or pity if she knows he is being abused. I doubt it was her idea to have a gun range party. Greg likely demanded it and she gave in like she always does. When the teacher called to complain about her sons's fighting and outbursts, she probably did nothing. This is likely a case of the kid running the show at mom's house.

With insight like this you should pick winning lottery numbers. @ the concept that a 10 year old knows what a gun range is; who is he "Baby Face Finster"?

And I laugh at you and your stupidity. That is hysterical that you think that 10-year kids do not know what a gun range is. I have nephews that have been going to gun ranges almost weekly since they were 8 years old. They ask to go to THE GUN RANGE. These kids are 10 not 4. Wise up.

I am laughing at all your speculation-turned-fact. I am glad that you know of one child that has been to a gun range and then extrapolate from that this kid knew enough to ask for a birthday party at this range; 10-year-olds have such a good idea of tying businesses to birthday parties. I also like your quick analysis of the mother; can I guess the mother of your nephews fit this profile?

Your posts sure are entertaining. Thank you for not being afraid to show your stupidity. If you actaully read my comments about the kid's mom, I wrote "probably" and "likely" in front of my statements because I am only guessing at what is going on in the house. There are cases where kids run the show in their household. This COULD be one of those cases. The poor mother may feel overwhelmed by being a single parent of a very difficult child. She MAY give in to his demands rather than fight continuously. In no way did I act like I knew exactly what was going on with the mom. You are implying that to try to dig yourself out of your hole of stupidity. Funny that you cannot let the gun range thing go either even though other posters have written that 10-year old kids know what a gun range is and that one gun range actually advertises birthday parties. Do you really think that a gun-loving 10-year old boy is not capable of asking to go to a gun range? Are you that out of touch gramps? I know of about a dozen 8 to 12 year old kids that have been to a gun range. Some are nephews and some are kids of co-workers and friends. Guns are a big part of some people's lives in America. Not sure what cave you live in but you should come out once in awhile and see what is going on.

 

[T Bell]

It's a private school right? Which means you are paying for it? Tell them to expel him or you pack your bags and go to another school and convince many other parents to do the same.

This. I'm not keeping my child around a kid with anger issues and access to guns. It sounds like a school shooting ready to happen.

I'm sure all the parents at Sandy Hook are laughing too.

Let's not get carried away.

Even if there's a 1% chance it's not something to take lightly.

How do you even venture outside in the morning?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

The issue is the teacher, who has lost control of the classroom. Greg's situation is so far gone that he's unlikely to ever be accepted by the other boys if they are scared of him now. Kid needs help and a change of scenery.

The teacher has some blame for sure but the real issue is Greg's parents and their total lack of actual parenting.

Am I being fished again?

 

[T Bell]

(I rediscovered this thread after I was going to update a thread about Adam Lanza, so...) What ever happened to good ole' Greg?

 

[bigbottom]

Haven't seen or heard anything from him since. Though I did get a call from Greg's dad maybe a day or so after the last post in this thread, in which he exerted some not so subtle pressure in an effort to get me to go to the school to request that they reverse the expulsion decision. I politely declined.

 

[T Bell]

Haven't seen or heard anything from him since. Though I did get a call from Greg's dad maybe a day or so after the last post in this thread, in which he exerted some not so subtle pressure in an effort to get me to go to the school to request that they reverse the expulsion decision. I politely declined.

What form did that take exactly?

That's hilarious anyway given that the expulsion occurred after interviews with a bunch of students and not just because of a complaint from you.

 

[bigbottom]

Haven't seen or heard anything from him since. Though I did get a call from Greg's dad maybe a day or so after the last post in this thread, in which he exerted some not so subtle pressure in an effort to get me to go to the school to request that they reverse the expulsion decision. I politely declined.

What form did that take exactly?

That's hilarious anyway given that the expulsion occurred after interviews with a bunch of students and not just because of a complaint from you.

He started out the call by name-dropping a bunch of people that I know professionally that apparently he knows as well (veiled threat of reputational impact). He then told me that he's really close with a guy who I've litigated cases against who is a plaintiff's attorney, and told me that he'd discussed the situation at length with him (veiled threat of legal action). When I didn't really bite on that, he went into downplay mode ("boys will be boys"). And when I pushed back a bit on this tactic, he went into full-on "have a heart" mode, stating that this will destroy his son and, as a father, he just wants what is best for him. Were it not for the other transparent manipulations prior to that, it's possible that I may have waffled. The entire call was clearly a well-designed multi-faceted oral argument, and he kept me on the phone for over 30 minutes. Ultimately, though, I told him that I felt his pain, but agreed with the school's decision and would not ask them to overturn it. We hung up and I didn't hear from him again.

But there was one pretty bad thing that came out of that call. When I asked him why he was calling me since it was the school's decision, he told me that he called me at the suggestion of our school principal, and that it was his understanding that if we changed our mind, the school would reconsider. I figured that was total BS, but I called our principal after getting off the phone to check. Apparently, this guy and his ex-wife had been hounding the administration in an attempt to have the decision overturned. After the third for fourth lengthy phone call with the dad, the principal admitted that he suggested to him that he give me a call to discuss the matter. In his mind, he figured that I could explain to him the gravity of the situation as a fellow parent and he would understand. I was really pissed. This was the school's decision, not our decision. I told the principal that he really screwed up because (1) he made it sound like it was our decision and that it was up for reconsideration; and (2) he didn't give me a heads up that the guy was going to be calling me.

Of course, in the ensuing months, other far more significant things happened in our lives and both the school and our principal were huge supports for our family. All water under the bridge now.

 

[T Bell]

Wow. People are incredible.

 

[Apes with Guns]

biggy, if I can only give you one piece of advice, it would be to make sure that your son knows that this isn't his fault, and he did the right thing by talking to you. make sure you keep his spirits up, because kids always seem to want to blame themselves. just make sure you get him to talk, and help him get through this.

it sounds like that other kids should be in academic segregation. it makes me sad when these kids do get the help that they need.

EDIT: and I'm super late to the party. stupid thread necromancy.

 

[bigbottom]

biggy, if I can only give you one piece of advice, it would be to make sure that your son knows that this isn't his fault, and he did the right thing by talking to you. make sure you keep his spirits up, because kids always seem to want to blame themselves. just make sure you get him to talk, and help him get through this.

it sounds like that other kids should be in academic segregation. it makes me sad when these kids do get the help that they need.

EDIT: and I'm super late to the party. stupid thread necromancy.

Yeah, this was a big time bump. But thanks for the advice. To be honest, he seemed really relieved about that whole thing after the kid was gone. He genuinely feared for his safety.

 

[T Bell]

biggy, if I can only give you one piece of advice, it would be to make sure that your son knows that this isn't his fault, and he did the right thing by talking to you. make sure you keep his spirits up, because kids always seem to want to blame themselves. just make sure you get him to talk, and help him get through this.

it sounds like that other kids should be in academic segregation. it makes me sad when these kids do get the help that they need.

EDIT: and I'm super late to the party. stupid thread necromancy.

Hearts and kidneys are tinker toys!

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Wow. People are incredible.

That's why I prefer to make my threats not so subtle.

 

[Jobber]

I'm quite a bit more low brow than BB. That dad phones me? It'd be short and sweet with me cutting him off telling him to go **** himself and his son.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

I'm quite a bit more low brow than BB. That dad phones me? It'd be short and sweet with me cutting him off telling him to go **** himself and his son.

I hear you. That's why BB is awesome though.

 

[Otis]

I'm quite a bit more low brow than BB. That dad phones me? It'd be short and sweet with me cutting him off telling him to go **** himself and his son.

I hear you. That's why BB is awesome though.

This.

And I love schools coming down on ####ty kids with ####ty parents. Society needs more of that.

 

[T Bell]

I'm quite a bit more low brow than BB. That dad phones me? It'd be short and sweet with me cutting him off telling him to go **** himself and his son.

I hear you. That's why BB is awesome though.

This.

And I love schools coming down on ####ty kids with ####ty parents. Society needs more of that.

Easier to do this when you're dealing with private schools, especially with young kids. I'm glad the school handled it this way too.

 

[Insein]

This was a good rez. Nice to see everything worked out BB.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Your son needs to punch greg in the face as hard as he can one of these times.. Greg will not be ready for it and it may very likely stop greg from picking on him..