Threat against my son - am I wrong to be freaking out? (1 Viewer)

[Mr.Pack]

Once you grow up, no one gives a crap about your problems and to run to someone else for help makes you look like a #### and a whiner.

It's been at least 25 years since anybody has threatened to beat me up. My impression is that most adults don't really have to worry about this particular problem.

Unless they really piss off one of the mods.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

It would be awesome if the kid was just a garden-variety bully and Littlebottom and his friends made all this stuff up in order to get him kicked out of school. That's just as good as punching him in the nose - better actually. Figuring out how to dispose of your enemies without getting your own hands dirty is more helpful than simply learning to stand up for oneself.

 

[AcerFC]

Where does Greg live? Down the street, other side of hood, different county.

 

[Joe Summer]

Maybe Greg just needs to be spanked?

 

[Keerock]

Still catching up on all the replies, but just got off a call with the principal. I don't have all the details, but he said they spoke with the teacher and interviewed the boys in the class individually (not sure whether it was some or all of them) and were shocked to hear what has been going on with this child. He stated that this student is extremely troubled and very much in need of help, and that while this is a very sad situation, this school is not the appropriate place for him to get that help. Today is his last day at the school. Again, he did not provide all the details of what he learned, but made it very apparent that it was extremely disturbing and that while the conversation will be difficult, the decision was an easy one. He stated that his primary responsibility as a school administrator was to ensure the safety of their students and that based on what he has learned, he must be asked to leave.

I feel bad for the kid, and his mom. But my child's safety is paramount, and given the tenor of my conversation with the principal, I feel even more strongly that the right decision has been made.

By the way, he confirmed that he had not been made aware of any of the things that have been going on with this student, and expressed disappointment that he had to hear about it first from a parent.

Excellent news. Problem solved. I hope Greg gets the help he clearly needs and that this teacher gets suspended without pay for letting this go on as long as it has.

Agreed. Now please write a song about it.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Somebody remember to link to this thread next time we have an education debate where somebody says "private schools educate kids better for less money." This is one of the reasons why. The private schools can just solve these sorts of problems for free by kicking the problem kid out. Public schools spend tens of thousands of dollars on counselors and security measures and at-home tutoring for suspended kids.

 

[koby925]

Maybe Greg just needs to be spanked?

I know I do.

ETA: Sorry, wrong thread

 

[Gr00vus]

Problem solved.

I'd still be nervous that this might set Greg off, particularly after hearing about the shooting range birthday party. I hope the school has security guards who will be on the lookout for this kid attempting to pay a follow up visit.

 

[B-Deep]

Just watched that movie Bully on Netflix last night. It's a very serious issue and it's common for school administrators to be clueless in how to deal with it. In one scene the principal is scolding a kid and encouraging him to try to get along with another kid, even after he makes it clear that the other kid was the aggressor and has been bullying him for a while. Doesn't get any more ###-backwards than that.

Nothing to add except I wish you and your son the best in dealing with this situation and I hope this kid's bark is worse than his bite.

I think people see the rare instances of hello kitty gun crackdowns on the innerwebs and get the feeling all of our schools are over-protective super strict institutions

Not all schools take things as seriously as they should, and even when they do bullying is not an easy thing to stomp out.

 

[glumpy]

Still catching up on all the replies, but just got off a call with the principal. I don't have all the details, but he said they spoke with the teacher and interviewed the boys in the class individually (not sure whether it was some or all of them) and were shocked to hear what has been going on with this child. He stated that this student is extremely troubled and very much in need of help, and that while this is a very sad situation, this school is not the appropriate place for him to get that help. Today is his last day at the school. Again, he did not provide all the details of what he learned, but made it very apparent that it was extremely disturbing and that while the conversation will be difficult, the decision was an easy one. He stated that his primary responsibility as a school administrator was to ensure the safety of their students and that based on what he has learned, he must be asked to leave.

I feel bad for the kid, and his mom. But my child's safety is paramount, and given the tenor of my conversation with the principal, I feel even more strongly that the right decision has been made.

By the way, he confirmed that he had not been made aware of any of the things that have been going on with this student, and expressed disappointment that he had to hear about it first from a parent.

Very Good. Others have said to watch out for the kid even outside of school--this obviously won't go over well, if anything could. I can imagine there will be repercussions of some degree on the teacher, along with some policy discussion. No way he should have heard this from parents--no way it should have gotten to this point at all.

 

[B-Deep]

Still catching up on all the replies, but just got off a call with the principal. I don't have all the details, but he said they spoke with the teacher and interviewed the boys in the class individually (not sure whether it was some or all of them) and were shocked to hear what has been going on with this child. He stated that this student is extremely troubled and very much in need of help, and that while this is a very sad situation, this school is not the appropriate place for him to get that help. Today is his last day at the school. Again, he did not provide all the details of what he learned, but made it very apparent that it was extremely disturbing and that while the conversation will be difficult, the decision was an easy one. He stated that his primary responsibility as a school administrator was to ensure the safety of their students and that based on what he has learned, he must be asked to leave.

I feel bad for the kid, and his mom. But my child's safety is paramount, and given the tenor of my conversation with the principal, I feel even more strongly that the right decision has been made.

By the way, he confirmed that he had not been made aware of any of the things that have been going on with this student, and expressed disappointment that he had to hear about it first from a parent.

great news

 

[AcerFC]

I would like to be a fly on the wall when the principal asks the teacher why she didn't report any of this.

 

[Ned]

I have two small children (preschool and first grade) and I would burn down any teacher who was so lax about such issues. BY the time I was done, that teacher would be reporting daily to the school admin/principal whether there were issues or not. Unbelievable that punches in the face and threats of violence arent being reported by the teacher. I would literally be in that principal's office dealing with this all day every day until I felt very very comfortable about how that school and teacher were going to handle similar things going forward. And I too am a proponent of "boys will be boys" and got in fights as a kid. I am not suggesting massive punishments....but when it comes to my kids I demand information, reporting and oversight.

Public schools legally dont really have to tell you anything they dont want to. We had something in our school a few months ago where a list was found. The school really didnt say anything to anyone and the only reason it got out was because something was leaked to the press. The school said they dealt with the issue and it went away. The parents were pissed, but the district basically gave them the finger. The law is an interesting thing

He's talking about the lack of communication between the teacher and school admin.

I 100% agree with Todd. The fact that this went unnoticed/reported is almost as unsettling as the threat itself. Thank god BB and his boy talk.

 

[McGarnicle]

Just watched that movie Bully on Netflix last night. It's a very serious issue and it's common for school administrators to be clueless in how to deal with it. In one scene the principal is scolding a kid and encouraging him to try to get along with another kid, even after he makes it clear that the other kid was the aggressor and has been bullying him for a while. Doesn't get any more ###-backwards than that.

Nothing to add except I wish you and your son the best in dealing with this situation and I hope this kid's bark is worse than his bite.

I think people see the rare instances of hello kitty gun crackdowns on the innerwebs and get the feeling all of our schools are over-protective super strict institutions

Not all schools take things as seriously as they should, and even when they do bullying is not an easy thing to stomp out.

Sure, and in the schools' defense, I have no doubt that many parents of the bullies are in complete denial of the problem and don't cooperate when it is brought to their attention. That would make sense when you consider how the kid got that way in the first place, the parents probably don't face their own anger issues, addictions or whatever.

But, kids are committing suicide. Or they are ending up with emotional issues that follow them for life. It's a really serious thing and clearly many schools are not responding as aggressively as they should.

 

[Run It Up]

Best thing for the kid is to get help and go to a public school, you act like that in a public school and you get your attitude changed, physically.

 

[dino259]

I think you are a lawyer if my notebook is updated. Make sure you keep a paper trail of everything you have done in relationship to contacting the shcool (meetings, phone, email). I hate to say it, but it makes sure that you know exactly what happens if anything should come up later

Definately start documenting everything. Fully support your son and keep in contact with all other parents.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Can you get a free month of school at of this situation? Kinda like dealing with Directv when it is down...Directv will throw in a free month. Maybe you can get a few text books for your kid being punched in the face?

 

[Foosball God]

Glad to hear you got a resolution to this situation BB. Sounds like your school administrator has the right mindset at least. Hopefully your son's teacher will learn from this as well.

 

[(HULK)]

Still catching up on all the replies, but just got off a call with the principal. I don't have all the details, but he said they spoke with the teacher and interviewed the boys in the class individually (not sure whether it was some or all of them) and were shocked to hear what has been going on with this child. He stated that this student is extremely troubled and very much in need of help, and that while this is a very sad situation, this school is not the appropriate place for him to get that help. Today is his last day at the school. Again, he did not provide all the details of what he learned, but made it very apparent that it was extremely disturbing and that while the conversation will be difficult, the decision was an easy one. He stated that his primary responsibility as a school administrator was to ensure the safety of their students and that based on what he has learned, he must be asked to leave.

I feel bad for the kid, and his mom. But my child's safety is paramount, and given the tenor of my conversation with the principal, I feel even more strongly that the right decision has been made.

By the way, he confirmed that he had not been made aware of any of the things that have been going on with this student, and expressed disappointment that he had to hear about it first from a parent.

Awesome! Best outcome anyone could ask for here. Well, other than the kid being incarcerated or moving out of the country.

Its a good outcome. But Greg isn't going to get the help he needs. He'll just be someone else's problem now. So, not the best outcome imo.

 

[charvik]

Still catching up on all the replies, but just got off a call with the principal. I don't have all the details, but he said they spoke with the teacher and interviewed the boys in the class individually (not sure whether it was some or all of them) and were shocked to hear what has been going on with this child. He stated that this student is extremely troubled and very much in need of help, and that while this is a very sad situation, this school is not the appropriate place for him to get that help. Today is his last day at the school. Again, he did not provide all the details of what he learned, but made it very apparent that it was extremely disturbing and that while the conversation will be difficult, the decision was an easy one. He stated that his primary responsibility as a school administrator was to ensure the safety of their students and that based on what he has learned, he must be asked to leave.

I feel bad for the kid, and his mom. But my child's safety is paramount, and given the tenor of my conversation with the principal, I feel even more strongly that the right decision has been made.

By the way, he confirmed that he had not been made aware of any of the things that have been going on with this student, and expressed disappointment that he had to hear about it first from a parent.

 

[B-Deep]

Just watched that movie Bully on Netflix last night. It's a very serious issue and it's common for school administrators to be clueless in how to deal with it. In one scene the principal is scolding a kid and encouraging him to try to get along with another kid, even after he makes it clear that the other kid was the aggressor and has been bullying him for a while. Doesn't get any more ###-backwards than that.

Nothing to add except I wish you and your son the best in dealing with this situation and I hope this kid's bark is worse than his bite.

I think people see the rare instances of hello kitty gun crackdowns on the innerwebs and get the feeling all of our schools are over-protective super strict institutions

Not all schools take things as seriously as they should, and even when they do bullying is not an easy thing to stomp out.

Sure, and in the schools' defense, I have no doubt that many parents of the bullies are in complete denial of the problem and don't cooperate when it is brought to their attention. That would make sense when you consider how the kid got that way in the first place, the parents probably don't face their own anger issues, addictions or whatever.

But, kids are committing suicide. Or they are ending up with emotional issues that follow them for life. It's a really serious thing and clearly many schools are not responding as aggressively as they should.

I agree

 

[B-Deep]

It would be awesome if the kid was just a garden-variety bully and Littlebottom and his friends made all this stuff up in order to get him kicked out of school. That's just as good as punching him in the nose - better actually. Figuring out how to dispose of your enemies without getting your own hands dirty is more helpful than simply learning to stand up for oneself.

that would not be good at all

you kind of scare me

 

[Bayhawks]

The problem is that Greg isn't a bully in the traditional sense.

He's a kid with (what sounds like) a pretty bad emotional disability.

I deal with kids like this all the time. This isn't the Brady Bunch. Standing up to Buddy Hinton is going to solve anything.

Again, if that's the case, then what I'm saying no longer applies. However, if this kid is truly walking around threatening murder, socking children in the face with impunity, and the school hasn't seen fit to act, then either the school is REALLY asleep at the switch or the information we've been given has been greatly exaggerated. If the former, then dealing with it through the school is absolutely the right way to go. If the latter, and the school isn't going to solve the problem, then BB's kid is either going to have to solve it himself or spend his life running away. I've done both in my own childhood and I wouldn't wish the latter on my worst enemy. It's no way to live.

Why do you keep on with the if the original post hasn't been exaggerated? BB is not one prone to hyperbole, in fact quite the opposite IMO. Why wouldn't you take what he's said at face value? Greg is not your typical bully.

I know HE isn't, but as I have several nieces and nephews and their friends around quite a bit (they're all between 7 and 11), I am aware that children that age very easily CAN be. I find it hard to believe (and distressing if true) that a kid in a 25-student private school class can walk around punching multiple people in the face, talking about strangulation, etc.. without anyone in a position of authority doing anything meaningful about it. That wouldn't have happened in my public school with 10 times that many kids in a class.

Speaking of hyperbole and exaggeration, what public school has 250 students in a single classroom?

 

[Mario Kart]

1st, I can tell this is a "white person's problem".

2nd, those that have made comments referencing "the teacher is to blame" or "it's the teachers fault for letting it get this far" or "the teacher should be fired" are laughable.

3rd, the one comment I read about "red tape" is exactly that. I hear threats of all kinds at school every day, see fights every day without suspensions, hear and get sworn at every day with no recourse. Red tape it is and in the long run, tha kid, Greg, will be behind bars or begging for money.

4th, this is private school so things should be different... but I doubt they are much different.

 

[Fennis]

Greg is bad, even as a child everybody can tell. Everyone has told him if he doesn’t get straight, he’ll surely go to hell. But Greg doesn’t care. He is an outlaw by the time that he is ten years old! He doesn’t wanna do what he is told. He’s just a prankster really a juvenile gangster.His teachers don’t understand, they kicked him out of school at a tender early age, just because he didn't want to learn things. I bet he has other interests, like burning things.I can imagine that he lady down the block had an xbox that Greg wants oh so bad. Greg will take it the first chance he has. Then he’ll shoot her in the leg.

She’'ll probably say “Greg is only a lad. You really can't blame him. Society made him, he's our responsibility, He really couldn't help it, I am sure he didn't want to do it. He's underprivileged and abused, perhaps a little bit confused. His parents gave up they couldn't influence his attitude, really nobody could help. He's a little man had no gratitude.”

Then before you know he will steal a car, and hit a poor man, and of course the judge will say ”Greg is only a lad. He cant help it. He didn’t want to do it it. He's underprivileged and abused, perhaps a little bit confused. It's not his fault that he can't believe or behave. Society made him go astray, perhaps if we're nice he'll go away…perhaps he'll go away… he'll go away.”

 

[Mr.Pack]

Still catching up on all the replies, but just got off a call with the principal. I don't have all the details, but he said they spoke with the teacher and interviewed the boys in the class individually (not sure whether it was some or all of them) and were shocked to hear what has been going on with this child. He stated that this student is extremely troubled and very much in need of help, and that while this is a very sad situation, this school is not the appropriate place for him to get that help. Today is his last day at the school. Again, he did not provide all the details of what he learned, but made it very apparent that it was extremely disturbing and that while the conversation will be difficult, the decision was an easy one. He stated that his primary responsibility as a school administrator was to ensure the safety of their students and that based on what he has learned, he must be asked to leave.

I feel bad for the kid, and his mom. But my child's safety is paramount, and given the tenor of my conversation with the principal, I feel even more strongly that the right decision has been made.

By the way, he confirmed that he had not been made aware of any of the things that have been going on with this student, and expressed disappointment that he had to hear about it first from a parent.

I feel for the kid and his mom, but the principal is right, safety of others is paramount

 

[T Bell]

Still catching up on all the replies, but just got off a call with the principal. I don't have all the details, but he said they spoke with the teacher and interviewed the boys in the class individually (not sure whether it was some or all of them) and were shocked to hear what has been going on with this child. He stated that this student is extremely troubled and very much in need of help, and that while this is a very sad situation, this school is not the appropriate place for him to get that help. Today is his last day at the school. Again, he did not provide all the details of what he learned, but made it very apparent that it was extremely disturbing and that while the conversation will be difficult, the decision was an easy one. He stated that his primary responsibility as a school administrator was to ensure the safety of their students and that based on what he has learned, he must be asked to leave.

I feel bad for the kid, and his mom. But my child's safety is paramount, and given the tenor of my conversation with the principal, I feel even more strongly that the right decision has been made.

By the way, he confirmed that he had not been made aware of any of the things that have been going on with this student, and expressed disappointment that he had to hear about it first from a parent.

Excellent news. Problem solved. I hope Greg gets the help he clearly needs and that this teacher gets suspended without pay for letting this go on as long as it has.

8 years from now...

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[Officer Pete Malloy]

Still catching up on all the replies, but just got off a call with the principal. I don't have all the details, but he said they spoke with the teacher and interviewed the boys in the class individually (not sure whether it was some or all of them) and were shocked to hear what has been going on with this child. He stated that this student is extremely troubled and very much in need of help, and that while this is a very sad situation, this school is not the appropriate place for him to get that help. Today is his last day at the school. Again, he did not provide all the details of what he learned, but made it very apparent that it was extremely disturbing and that while the conversation will be difficult, the decision was an easy one. He stated that his primary responsibility as a school administrator was to ensure the safety of their students and that based on what he has learned, he must be asked to leave.

I feel bad for the kid, and his mom. But my child's safety is paramount, and given the tenor of my conversation with the principal, I feel even more strongly that the right decision has been made.

By the way, he confirmed that he had not been made aware of any of the things that have been going on with this student, and expressed disappointment that he had to hear about it first from a parent.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So now what happens to this kid who clearly needs some mental and behavioral help? I hope he gets some, or there will just be future victims.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Still catching up on all the replies, but just got off a call with the principal. I don't have all the details, but he said they spoke with the teacher and interviewed the boys in the class individually (not sure whether it was some or all of them) and were shocked to hear what has been going on with this child. He stated that this student is extremely troubled and very much in need of help, and that while this is a very sad situation, this school is not the appropriate place for him to get that help. Today is his last day at the school. Again, he did not provide all the details of what he learned, but made it very apparent that it was extremely disturbing and that while the conversation will be difficult, the decision was an easy one. He stated that his primary responsibility as a school administrator was to ensure the safety of their students and that based on what he has learned, he must be asked to leave.

I feel bad for the kid, and his mom. But my child's safety is paramount, and given the tenor of my conversation with the principal, I feel even more strongly that the right decision has been made.

By the way, he confirmed that he had not been made aware of any of the things that have been going on with this student, and expressed disappointment that he had to hear about it first from a parent.

Awesome! Best outcome anyone could ask for here. Well, other than the kid being incarcerated or moving out of the country.

Its a good outcome. But Greg isn't going to get the help he needs. He'll just be someone else's problem now. So, not the best outcome imo.

How do you know this? Public schools deal with kids like this all the time. I can't speak for the schools in BB's area but public school is the best place for Greg. Counselors, pyschs, therapists, programs etc etc.

 

[T Bell]

Still catching up on all the replies, but just got off a call with the principal. I don't have all the details, but he said they spoke with the teacher and interviewed the boys in the class individually (not sure whether it was some or all of them) and were shocked to hear what has been going on with this child. He stated that this student is extremely troubled and very much in need of help, and that while this is a very sad situation, this school is not the appropriate place for him to get that help. Today is his last day at the school. Again, he did not provide all the details of what he learned, but made it very apparent that it was extremely disturbing and that while the conversation will be difficult, the decision was an easy one. He stated that his primary responsibility as a school administrator was to ensure the safety of their students and that based on what he has learned, he must be asked to leave.

I feel bad for the kid, and his mom. But my child's safety is paramount, and given the tenor of my conversation with the principal, I feel even more strongly that the right decision has been made.

By the way, he confirmed that he had not been made aware of any of the things that have been going on with this student, and expressed disappointment that he had to hear about it first from a parent.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Still catching up on all the replies, but just got off a call with the principal. I don't have all the details, but he said they spoke with the teacher and interviewed the boys in the class individually (not sure whether it was some or all of them) and were shocked to hear what has been going on with this child. He stated that this student is extremely troubled and very much in need of help, and that while this is a very sad situation, this school is not the appropriate place for him to get that help. Today is his last day at the school. Again, he did not provide all the details of what he learned, but made it very apparent that it was extremely disturbing and that while the conversation will be difficult, the decision was an easy one. He stated that his primary responsibility as a school administrator was to ensure the safety of their students and that based on what he has learned, he must be asked to leave.

I feel bad for the kid, and his mom. But my child's safety is paramount, and given the tenor of my conversation with the principal, I feel even more strongly that the right decision has been made.

By the way, he confirmed that he had not been made aware of any of the things that have been going on with this student, and expressed disappointment that he had to hear about it first from a parent.

That is great to hear.

 

[NCCommish]

Still catching up on all the replies, but just got off a call with the principal. I don't have all the details, but he said they spoke with the teacher and interviewed the boys in the class individually (not sure whether it was some or all of them) and were shocked to hear what has been going on with this child. He stated that this student is extremely troubled and very much in need of help, and that while this is a very sad situation, this school is not the appropriate place for him to get that help. Today is his last day at the school. Again, he did not provide all the details of what he learned, but made it very apparent that it was extremely disturbing and that while the conversation will be difficult, the decision was an easy one. He stated that his primary responsibility as a school administrator was to ensure the safety of their students and that based on what he has learned, he must be asked to leave.

I feel bad for the kid, and his mom. But my child's safety is paramount, and given the tenor of my conversation with the principal, I feel even more strongly that the right decision has been made.

By the way, he confirmed that he had not been made aware of any of the things that have been going on with this student, and expressed disappointment that he had to hear about it first from a parent.

Awesome! Best outcome anyone could ask for here. Well, other than the kid being incarcerated or moving out of the country.

Its a good outcome. But Greg isn't going to get the help he needs. He'll just be someone else's problem now. So, not the best outcome imo.

How do you know this? Public schools deal with kids like this all the time. I can't speak for the schools in BB's area but public school is the best place for Greg. Counselors, pyschs, therapists, programs etc etc.

He isn't in public school now why should we assume he'll be in one going forward? I am going to guess there are other places that will take his parents checks.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

So now what happens to this kid who clearly needs some mental and behavioral help? I hope he gets some, or there will just be future victims.

Sure, but if he's forced to go to public school the new victims will be poor, so we don't really need to worry about them.

 

[Gator Shawn]

The problem is that Greg isn't a bully in the traditional sense.

He's a kid with (what sounds like) a pretty bad emotional disability.

I deal with kids like this all the time. This isn't the Brady Bunch. Standing up to Buddy Hinton is going to solve anything.

Again, if that's the case, then what I'm saying no longer applies. However, if this kid is truly walking around threatening murder, socking children in the face with impunity, and the school hasn't seen fit to act, then either the school is REALLY asleep at the switch or the information we've been given has been greatly exaggerated. If the former, then dealing with it through the school is absolutely the right way to go. If the latter, and the school isn't going to solve the problem, then BB's kid is either going to have to solve it himself or spend his life running away. I've done both in my own childhood and I wouldn't wish the latter on my worst enemy. It's no way to live.

Why do you keep on with the if the original post hasn't been exaggerated? BB is not one prone to hyperbole, in fact quite the opposite IMO. Why wouldn't you take what he's said at face value? Greg is not your typical bully.

I know HE isn't, but as I have several nieces and nephews and their friends around quite a bit (they're all between 7 and 11), I am aware that children that age very easily CAN be. I find it hard to believe (and distressing if true) that a kid in a 25-student private school class can walk around punching multiple people in the face, talking about strangulation, etc.. without anyone in a position of authority doing anything meaningful about it. That wouldn't have happened in my public school with 10 times that many kids in a class.

Speaking of hyperbole and exaggeration, what public school has 250 students in a single classroom?

My son has over 140 in his Music Appreciation class. It's a Middle School and the class is an easy elective for grades 6-8. I can imagine 250 is in the realm of possibility.

On the same note, my son was involved in a shoving exchange and received 2 days of ISS. First offense.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

He isn't in public school now why should we assume he'll be in one going forward? I am going to guess there are other places that will take his parents checks.

I'm not sure private schools will be falling over themselves to enroll this kid.

 

[NCCommish]

The problem is that Greg isn't a bully in the traditional sense.

He's a kid with (what sounds like) a pretty bad emotional disability.

I deal with kids like this all the time. This isn't the Brady Bunch. Standing up to Buddy Hinton is going to solve anything.

Again, if that's the case, then what I'm saying no longer applies. However, if this kid is truly walking around threatening murder, socking children in the face with impunity, and the school hasn't seen fit to act, then either the school is REALLY asleep at the switch or the information we've been given has been greatly exaggerated. If the former, then dealing with it through the school is absolutely the right way to go. If the latter, and the school isn't going to solve the problem, then BB's kid is either going to have to solve it himself or spend his life running away. I've done both in my own childhood and I wouldn't wish the latter on my worst enemy. It's no way to live.

Why do you keep on with the if the original post hasn't been exaggerated? BB is not one prone to hyperbole, in fact quite the opposite IMO. Why wouldn't you take what he's said at face value? Greg is not your typical bully.

I know HE isn't, but as I have several nieces and nephews and their friends around quite a bit (they're all between 7 and 11), I am aware that children that age very easily CAN be. I find it hard to believe (and distressing if true) that a kid in a 25-student private school class can walk around punching multiple people in the face, talking about strangulation, etc.. without anyone in a position of authority doing anything meaningful about it. That wouldn't have happened in my public school with 10 times that many kids in a class.

Speaking of hyperbole and exaggeration, what public school has 250 students in a single classroom?

My son has over 140 in his Music Appreciation class. It's a Middle School and the class is an easy elective for grades 6-8. I can imagine 250 is in the realm of possibility.

On the same note, my son was involved in a shoving exchange and received 2 days of ISS. First offense.

Yeah band type classes tend to have more kids in them for obvious reasons. But I am going to guess your sons home room doesn't have 140 kids does it?

 

[B-Deep]

So now what happens to this kid who clearly needs some mental and behavioral help? I hope he gets some, or there will just be future victims.

His parents have to get him that help.

There are avenues for them to get help, but they need to do it. Without that his future looks bleak

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Still catching up on all the replies, but just got off a call with the principal. I don't have all the details, but he said they spoke with the teacher and interviewed the boys in the class individually (not sure whether it was some or all of them) and were shocked to hear what has been going on with this child. He stated that this student is extremely troubled and very much in need of help, and that while this is a very sad situation, this school is not the appropriate place for him to get that help. Today is his last day at the school. Again, he did not provide all the details of what he learned, but made it very apparent that it was extremely disturbing and that while the conversation will be difficult, the decision was an easy one. He stated that his primary responsibility as a school administrator was to ensure the safety of their students and that based on what he has learned, he must be asked to leave.

I feel bad for the kid, and his mom. But my child's safety is paramount, and given the tenor of my conversation with the principal, I feel even more strongly that the right decision has been made.

By the way, he confirmed that he had not been made aware of any of the things that have been going on with this student, and expressed disappointment that he had to hear about it first from a parent.

Awesome! Best outcome anyone could ask for here. Well, other than the kid being incarcerated or moving out of the country.

Its a good outcome. But Greg isn't going to get the help he needs. He'll just be someone else's problem now. So, not the best outcome imo.

How do you know this? Public schools deal with kids like this all the time. I can't speak for the schools in BB's area but public school is the best place for Greg. Counselors, pyschs, therapists, programs etc etc.

He isn't in public school now why should we assume he'll be in one going forward? I am going to guess there are other places that will take his parents checks.

You're right. I have no way of knowing.

 

[NCCommish]

He isn't in public school now why should we assume he'll be in one going forward? I am going to guess there are other places that will take his parents checks.

I'm not sure private schools will be falling over themselves to enroll this kid.

This one enrolled him despite his apparent history. I'm going to guess someone else will take a check. No charges were leveled. And since everything is confidential there isn't much this school can say to the next without getting sued.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

The problem is that Greg isn't a bully in the traditional sense.

He's a kid with (what sounds like) a pretty bad emotional disability.

I deal with kids like this all the time. This isn't the Brady Bunch. Standing up to Buddy Hinton is going to solve anything.

Again, if that's the case, then what I'm saying no longer applies. However, if this kid is truly walking around threatening murder, socking children in the face with impunity, and the school hasn't seen fit to act, then either the school is REALLY asleep at the switch or the information we've been given has been greatly exaggerated. If the former, then dealing with it through the school is absolutely the right way to go. If the latter, and the school isn't going to solve the problem, then BB's kid is either going to have to solve it himself or spend his life running away. I've done both in my own childhood and I wouldn't wish the latter on my worst enemy. It's no way to live.

Why do you keep on with the if the original post hasn't been exaggerated? BB is not one prone to hyperbole, in fact quite the opposite IMO. Why wouldn't you take what he's said at face value? Greg is not your typical bully.

I know HE isn't, but as I have several nieces and nephews and their friends around quite a bit (they're all between 7 and 11), I am aware that children that age very easily CAN be. I find it hard to believe (and distressing if true) that a kid in a 25-student private school class can walk around punching multiple people in the face, talking about strangulation, etc.. without anyone in a position of authority doing anything meaningful about it. That wouldn't have happened in my public school with 10 times that many kids in a class.

Speaking of hyperbole and exaggeration, what public school has 250 students in a single classroom?

My son has over 140 in his Music Appreciation class. It's a Middle School and the class is an easy elective for grades 6-8. I can imagine 250 is in the realm of possibility.

140? WTF.

And I'm pretty sure EG was talking about 250 kids per grade level aka "class".

 

[General Malaise]

1st, I can tell this is a "white person's problem".2nd, those that have made comments referencing "the teacher is to blame" or "it's the teachers fault for letting it get this far" or "the teacher should be fired" are laughable.3rd, the one comment I read about "red tape" is exactly that. I hear threats of all kinds at school every day, see fights every day without suspensions, hear and get sworn at every day with no recourse. Red tape it is and in the long run, tha kid, Greg, will be behind bars or begging for money.4th, this is private school so things should be different... but I doubt they are much different.

This is Psycho Kev, right? Is my alias notebook correct? Yes? You are still perhaps the biggest idiot I have ever encountered in well over 10 years of FBG interaction. Congrats are in order. You are dumb beyond verbal description. The fact that you are even in the proximity of the field of teaching frightens me.

 

[Angry Beavers]

Congrats on a good result for your kid. Hopefully this opens the mom's eyes and Greg gets the help he needs.

 

[NCCommish]

Congrats on a good result for your kid. Hopefully this opens the mom's eyes and Greg gets the help he needs.

The kid came with a history. And apparently it was not a good one. No one's eyes have been opened so far and I wouldn't expect them to be by this either. Some people have to really be hit with it and usually that means a real ugly situation has to happen. I hope that isn't the case here and this kid gets the help he needs. I am just not very optimistic.

 

[General Malaise]

Still catching up on all the replies, but just got off a call with the principal. I don't have all the details, but he said they spoke with the teacher and interviewed the boys in the class individually (not sure whether it was some or all of them) and were shocked to hear what has been going on with this child. He stated that this student is extremely troubled and very much in need of help, and that while this is a very sad situation, this school is not the appropriate place for him to get that help. Today is his last day at the school. Again, he did not provide all the details of what he learned, but made it very apparent that it was extremely disturbing and that while the conversation will be difficult, the decision was an easy one. He stated that his primary responsibility as a school administrator was to ensure the safety of their students and that based on what he has learned, he must be asked to leave.

I feel bad for the kid, and his mom. But my child's safety is paramount, and given the tenor of my conversation with the principal, I feel even more strongly that the right decision has been made.

By the way, he confirmed that he had not been made aware of any of the things that have been going on with this student, and expressed disappointment that he had to hear about it first from a parent.

I feel for the kid and his mom, but the principal is right, safety of others is paramount

Let's unpack this a little bit. His mother - while perhaps a nice lady - has fostered an environment where Greg's actions have been unchecked and left to marinate into a sea of anger and aggression. Scooby nailed this early on in that Greg is a sociopath. To enable his access to guns and what I'm assuming are violent video games and not stepping up to put her child in the right school where he can get the proper education and guidance is unconscionable. I feel bad for the kid, but what this parent - this mother - has helped create is precisely the sort of monster that created this unneeded disruption and fear into the lives of a great man and his family.

 

[Sweet J]

1st, I can tell this is a "white person's problem".2nd, those that have made comments referencing "the teacher is to blame" or "it's the teachers fault for letting it get this far" or "the teacher should be fired" are laughable.3rd, the one comment I read about "red tape" is exactly that. I hear threats of all kinds at school every day, see fights every day without suspensions, hear and get sworn at every day with no recourse. Red tape it is and in the long run, tha kid, Greg, will be behind bars or begging for money.4th, this is private school so things should be different... but I doubt they are much different.

First: I guess you could say it is a "white person's problem," but only because my gut feeling is that only white people shoot up schools. And I get the feeling BB is not concerned about his kid being beat-up (garden variety bully) but rather is concerned that this kid is seriously unwell and would be a danger to shoot his kid, and others. Calling it "white person's problem" is just stupid. A fear of getting shot is a real fear, no matter your socioeconomic or racial status.

Second: If the teacher had information about a kid being a bully or a danger or harming other kids, then yes, that teacher should have reported it to the administration.

I have no idea what you are trying to say with your third or fourh points.

 

[T Bell]

1st, I can tell this is a "white person's problem".2nd, those that have made comments referencing "the teacher is to blame" or "it's the teachers fault for letting it get this far" or "the teacher should be fired" are laughable.3rd, the one comment I read about "red tape" is exactly that. I hear threats of all kinds at school every day, see fights every day without suspensions, hear and get sworn at every day with no recourse. Red tape it is and in the long run, tha kid, Greg, will be behind bars or begging for money.4th, this is private school so things should be different... but I doubt they are much different.

First: I guess you could say it is a "white person's problem," but only because my gut feeling is that only white people shoot up schools. And I get the feeling BB is not concerned about his kid being beat-up (garden variety bully) but rather is concerned that this kid is seriously unwell and would be a danger to shoot his kid, and others. Calling it "white person's problem" is just stupid. A fear of getting shot is a real fear, no matter your socioeconomic or racial status.

Second: If the teacher had information about a kid being a bully or a danger or harming other kids, then yes, that teacher should have reported it to the administration.

I have no idea what you are trying to say with your third or fourh points.

If you get to call school violence a "white person problem", do I get to call street violence a "black person problem"?

 

[Sweet J]

1st, I can tell this is a "white person's problem".2nd, those that have made comments referencing "the teacher is to blame" or "it's the teachers fault for letting it get this far" or "the teacher should be fired" are laughable.3rd, the one comment I read about "red tape" is exactly that. I hear threats of all kinds at school every day, see fights every day without suspensions, hear and get sworn at every day with no recourse. Red tape it is and in the long run, tha kid, Greg, will be behind bars or begging for money.4th, this is private school so things should be different... but I doubt they are much different.

This is Psycho Kev, right? Is my alias notebook correct? Yes? You are still perhaps the biggest idiot I have ever encountered in well over 10 years of FBG interaction. Congrats are in order. You are dumb beyond verbal description. The fact that you are even in the proximity of the field of teaching frightens me.

I think this was a better response than mine.

 

[The_Man]

Good job, BB, and good job by the principal. I hope things work out for Greg, but he can't be allowed to terrorize an entire class in the hopes that he'll someday figure it out.

Teacher has a lot of explaining to do.

Private school really can be pretty awesome, especially now, as schools have had to adjust to become much more consumer-oriented.

 

[T Bell]

Still catching up on all the replies, but just got off a call with the principal. I don't have all the details, but he said they spoke with the teacher and interviewed the boys in the class individually (not sure whether it was some or all of them) and were shocked to hear what has been going on with this child. He stated that this student is extremely troubled and very much in need of help, and that while this is a very sad situation, this school is not the appropriate place for him to get that help. Today is his last day at the school. Again, he did not provide all the details of what he learned, but made it very apparent that it was extremely disturbing and that while the conversation will be difficult, the decision was an easy one. He stated that his primary responsibility as a school administrator was to ensure the safety of their students and that based on what he has learned, he must be asked to leave.

I feel bad for the kid, and his mom. But my child's safety is paramount, and given the tenor of my conversation with the principal, I feel even more strongly that the right decision has been made.

By the way, he confirmed that he had not been made aware of any of the things that have been going on with this student, and expressed disappointment that he had to hear about it first from a parent.

I feel for the kid and his mom, but the principal is right, safety of others is paramount

Let's unpack this a little bit. His mother - while perhaps a nice lady - has fostered an environment where Greg's actions have been unchecked and left to marinate into a sea of anger and aggression. Scooby nailed this early on in that Greg is a sociopath. To enable his access to guns and what I'm assuming are violent video games and not stepping up to put her child in the right school where he can get the proper education and guidance is unconscionable. I feel bad for the kid, but what this parent - this mother - has helped create is precisely the sort of monster that created this unneeded disruption and fear into the lives of a great man and his family.

I agree, and I'd also suspect that mom's a complete doormat to the men in her lives which only makes getting this kid to come correct more difficult.