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Tiebreaker Question (2 Viewers)

John, they used two as an example, because head to head is defined as two. Wiki it. Google it. It's 2. NFL doesn't define words, they just (in this case) use them inappropriately. It should read 1. (best win/loss/tie percentage in games among clubs) The use of the word head to head in that instance is superfluous and ultimately incorrect. :bag:
Why should we use the wiki and google definitions over the dictionary.com definition?
 
John, they used two as an example, because head to head is defined as two. Wiki it. Google it. It's 2. NFL doesn't define words, they just (in this case) use them inappropriately. It should read 1. (best win/loss/tie percentage in games among clubs) The use of the word head to head in that instance is superfluous and ultimately incorrect. :thumbup:
Why should we use the wiki and google definitions over the dictionary.com definition?
Why should you use any definition at all?If you fail to define what "H2H" means, then you shouldn't use it at all.
 
John, they used two as an example, because head to head is defined as two. Wiki it. Google it. It's 2. NFL doesn't define words, they just (in this case) use them inappropriately. It should read 1. (best win/loss/tie percentage in games among clubs) The use of the word head to head in that instance is superfluous and ultimately incorrect. :thumbup:
Why should we use the wiki and google definitions over the dictionary.com definition?
Why should you use any definition at all?If you fail to define what "H2H" means, then you shouldn't use it at all.
Correct.
 
It is called H2H...not H2H2H...right?

And define H2H? Do you include points scored or just W/L

Say you beat me by 1 point and I beat you by 10?

I'd say I got the better of our matchups...

 
imagroid said:
John 14:6 said:
imagroid said:
yeah what leagues really need is a glossary of terms to accompany each set of rules. :confused:
Apparently in this case we do because there are differing definitions out there depending on the sources...
Link to any dictionary site that defines head to head as 2 OR MORE. I couldn't find one. Maybe it's out there? I didn't see it if so.
Link to any dictionary site that defines head to head as EXCLUSIVELY 2 and can NOT be more...Dictionary sites trump the NFL rules when discussing fantasy football?
 
Billy Costigan Jr said:
It is called H2H...not H2H2H...right?And define H2H? Do you include points scored or just W/LSay you beat me by 1 point and I beat you by 10?I'd say I got the better of our matchups...
In your example the two teams have a H2H record of 1-1, so you go to the following tie breaker. I've been in leagues where the next tie breaker is indeed the points scored in H2H games, in which case then yes you would win the seed...
 
Billy Costigan Jr said:
It is called H2H...not H2H2H...right?

And define H2H? Do you include points scored or just W/L

Say you beat me by 1 point and I beat you by 10?

I'd say I got the better of our matchups...
In your example the two teams have a H2H record of 1-1, so you go to the following tie breaker. I've been in leagues where the next tie breaker is indeed the points scored in H2H games, in which case then yes you would win the seed...
Looks like you answered the question without answering the question.With a tiebreaker vaguely written as: "Head to Head" giving no context...

- I defined H2H as between only two teams and including points scored in the two team H2H matchup.

- You defined H2H as between two or more teams and distinguish that points scored in the H2H matchup(s) must be written as a separate tiebreaker rule.

I guess the question is...exactly what makes either of us wrong?

The rule is vague and open to interpretation.

 
A commish question."corrected" Here is our tiebreaker criteria for playoff entry. 1. W/L record 2. HTH record 3. Overall points Here is the scenario, let's say 3 teams with same w/l records contend for just one playoff spot. Every team has played each other twice during the season. Team A lost to team B twice and split with team C. Leads in overall points over team B and team C. Team B beat team A twice and split with team C. Remains behind Team A and Team C in overall points. Team C split with team A and split with team B. Remains behind Team A and is ahead of team C in overall points. What team should make the playoff based on this criteria?
We take the best HTH total of the combined teams. So B has 3 wins and C has 2 and A 1. So B, C , A Based on a 14 team league, the league will have 8 playoff teams. Within each division four teams will qualify based on the criteria below. Teams will also be seeded in order to determine which teams will play each other in the playoffs.Qualification and seeding is based on the following criteria in the sequence provided:1. Best overall won/loss/tie record2. Best head-to-head record (Head-to-head against all other tied teams. If two teams remain tied, then head-to-head against each other still applies).3. Best division record.4. Total team offensive points during the regular season.NOTE : Once you move past a tie breaker you cannot go back to a previous tiebreaker.
 
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yeah what leagues really need is a glossary of terms to accompany each set of rules. :goodposting:
Apparently in this case we do because there are differing definitions out there depending on the sources...
Link to any dictionary site that defines head to head as 2 OR MORE. I couldn't find one. Maybe it's out there? I didn't see it if so.
Link to any dictionary site that defines head to head as EXCLUSIVELY 2 and can NOT be more...Dictionary sites trump the NFL rules when discussing fantasy football?
Your request is ridiculous. Can you imagine what a dictionary would look like if it defined words and then proceeded to explain what that word is NOT defined as? Gimme a break.Merriam-Webster One-on-One...hmmm a toughie to decipher!

Webster Dictionary Maybe by two persons they meant it could be 3 or 4?

Cambridge Dictionary You done yet?

......and yes, apparently we do need a dictionary when discussing FF, because SOME people want to interpret the meaning of a term into something it is not.

 
Billy Costigan Jr said:
It is called H2H...not H2H2H...right?

And define H2H? Do you include points scored or just W/L

Say you beat me by 1 point and I beat you by 10?

I'd say I got the better of our matchups...
In your example the two teams have a H2H record of 1-1, so you go to the following tie breaker. I've been in leagues where the next tie breaker is indeed the points scored in H2H games, in which case then yes you would win the seed...
Looks like you answered the question without answering the question.With a tiebreaker vaguely written as: "Head to Head" giving no context...

- I defined H2H as between only two teams and including points scored in the two team H2H matchup.

- You defined H2H as between two or more teams and distinguish that points scored in the H2H matchup(s) must be written as a separate tiebreaker rule.

I guess the question is...exactly what makes either of us wrong?

The rule is vague and open to interpretation.
That's where it's nice to have a rules committee. ;)
 
D - none of the above

Send them a message. Don't hover around mediocrity and make the playoffs without having to go to tiebreakers!

 
yeah what leagues really need is a glossary of terms to accompany each set of rules. :rolleyes:
Apparently in this case we do because there are differing definitions out there depending on the sources...
Link to any dictionary site that defines head to head as 2 OR MORE. I couldn't find one. Maybe it's out there? I didn't see it if so.
Link to any dictionary site that defines head to head as EXCLUSIVELY 2 and can NOT be more...Dictionary sites trump the NFL rules when discussing fantasy football?
Your request is ridiculous. Can you imagine what a dictionary would look like if it defined words and then proceeded to explain what that word is NOT defined as? Gimme a break.Merriam-Webster One-on-One...hmmm a toughie to decipher!

Webster Dictionary Maybe by two persons they meant it could be 3 or 4?

Cambridge Dictionary You done yet?

......and yes, apparently we do need a dictionary when discussing FF, because SOME people want to interpret the meaning of a term into something it is not.
I provided a link to dictionary.com that doesn't say it must be two.When competing in a spelling bee, I'll use the dictionary as my main source. When competing in fantasy football, I use the NFL rules and how they define things for my source.

 
A commish question. Here is our tiebreaker criteria for playoff entry. 1. W/L record 2. HTH record 3. Overall points Here is the scenario, let's say 3 teams with same w/l records contend for just one playoff spot. Every team has played each other twice during the season. Team A lost to team B twice and split with team C. Leads in overall points over team B and team C. Team B beat team A twice and split with team C. Remains behind Team A and Team C in overall points. Team C split with team A and split with team B. Remains behind Team A and is ahead of team C in overall points. What team should make the playoff based on this criteria?
Given what you posted above and taking nothing else into account (i.e., what you really should do, current rules notwithstanding), you look at HTH among the group first. Within the group;A is 1-3B is 3-1C is 2-2Therefore, your order of finish is B, C, A. Points do not get factored in. It's pretty clear that unless you have omitted something, this is the only way the issue can be decided per your current rules.
Good call on this.I'll add that head to head is a foolish tiebreaker for a fantasy league. Have your knucklehead commish change it to Points Scored next season. Add a second tiebreaker for most Points Against just in case.The OP is also at fault for not correcting this last year. It's also the responsibility of all the leagues owners to get rid of ridiculous, outdated rules like this.
 
I provided a link to dictionary.com that doesn't say it must be two.When competing in a spelling bee, I'll use the dictionary as my main source. When competing in fantasy football, I use the NFL rules and how they define things for my source.
no, it just used two when used in a sentence. LOLOLOL. Thing is, each FF is it's own NFL. Without clear, well defined rules you have to rely on A)solid commission decisions B) a grasp of the English language.
 
I provided a link to dictionary.com that doesn't say it must be two.When competing in a spelling bee, I'll use the dictionary as my main source. When competing in fantasy football, I use the NFL rules and how they define things for my source.
no, it just used two when used in a sentence. LOLOLOL. Thing is, each FF is it's own NFL. Without clear, well defined rules you have to rely on A)solid commission decisions B) a grasp of the English language.
Example sentences in dictionaries aren't the ONLY way to use the words, LOLOLOL.Since each league is its own NFL, that league itself should determine how they define head-to-head. The OP should have the league vote on it...
 
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You might want to break down the words "direct" and "confrontation". Wipe the egg of your face afterwards.

Since each league is its own NFL, that league itself should determine how they define head-to-head. The OP should have the league vote on it...
First logical thing you've said. I have a feeling that the whole reason the OP posted this thread was because he is the team with the highest pts and another guy is 3-1 vs the three of them. Maybe they voted already and he's pissed? Not sure.
 
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You might want to break down the words "direct" and "confrontation". Wipe the egg of your face afterwards.

Since each league is its own NFL, that league itself should determine how they define head-to-head. The OP should have the league vote on it...
First logical thing you've said. I have a feeling that the whole reason the OP posted this thread was because he is the team with the highest pts and another guy is 3-1 vs the three of them. Maybe they voted already and he's pissed? Not sure.
I apologize if I haven't been "excellent" to you in this thread. Could we try to keep this civilized?Can only two parties be in a direct confrontation? How about runners in a race? For that matter, can only two runners be "neck-and-neck"? What if there's a third runner that's right beside them, are they no longer neck-and-neck?

 

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