Tim Tebow - 8.17.21 Waived By Jacksonville (1 Viewer)

[Andrew Garda]

They call the plays because of Tebow not in spite of Tebow.

this is the same debate that observers of the Jets are having. Is the playcalling of Brian Schottenheimer hamstringing Sanchez or is Sanchez hamstringing the playcalling. As is often the case I think the answer is both.Ultimately it comes down to trust and I don't think the Broncos or Jets trust their QBs to air it out—with good reason.

 

[moleculo]

Here's the Tebow problem in a nutshell: Right now, he's not good enough to be a consistently good NFL QB, but the Tebowites are loud and irrational. Tebow cannot be a back-up QB; the fans would have none of it and there would be a full-scale revolt.

There is a place for a player of Tebow's caliber and current skill-set in the NFL. Here's what he should be: back-up QB and set play specialist. He could come in for a series or two and run the read option. He would be an excellent red-zone QB. Coming in off of the bench, the emotion and leadership he brings would up-lift the entire team. As a back-up QB who was called on to keep things in check, we would be more than adequate. If Tebow does not progress as a thrower and a QB this off-season, this is what I think Tebow could be, and it would be an extremely valuable component to a dominant offense.

That won't happen though. The only way for the Tebowites to settle down is for Tebow to sustain nearly a full season of failure. He's going to be given every chance to succeed in 2012, and I think he's earned it. He's going to have a relatively long leash as well, in order to avoid a full fan revolt, it will need to be painfully obvious to 95% of the football watching population that he cannot succeed. IMO, that's the only way for Tebow to settle into the above role.

Problem is, even as poor as Tebow plays right now, he's good enough to lead an average team. IMO, he's good enough to beat bad teams but bad enough to lose to good teams. So, he's average at best. I think Tebow, coupled with an averageish defense, is good enough for an 8-8 consistent record. Outside of the AFC west, that isn't good enough to get into the playoffs consistently.

There is hope that he can improve, and then this all goes away. He has never had an off-season (signed just before camp in 2010, no off-season in 2011). He has been through three head coaches. For a player that was widely accepted as deficient, Tebow has had some remarkable obstacles in his development. It's not like he got to sit behind Brett Favre for three years with a consistent coaching staff before being handed the reigns.

I think someone should be brought in to challenge Tebow in 2012, but I don't think any free-agent would really want to subject himself to the Tebow circus. It's going to be an interesting season.

Tebow has done more damage than good with his miracle wins. He has cheated the Broncos out of a franchise QB. They were well on their way to position themselves for Luck and along comes the haphazrd Tebow and ruins everything. The only chance the Bronco's have is to play next year for the future. Trade or put Tebow on the bench, Start Quinn, lose as many games as they can, and draft Barkley. Way to go Tebow

They weren't getting Luck regardless. they were 1-4 w/ Orton at the helm and probably would have won a few more. No way would they have finished 2-14. RGIII could have been a possibility, but those are the only potential franchise QB I'm aware of coming out in 2012.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Actually after further reflection it turns out I do have a problem with Tebow's Christianity:

it's actually the same problem I have with Newton.

With both of these guys, when they are on the sideline, instead of looking at photos, talking with the OC or QB coach or head coach, they have their head buried. Newton's is under a towel, Tebow's is down, pointed to the ground, chin firmly pointing down to the ground. Both supposedly are deep in thought, gathering their focus and energy. But that's not what they need to be doing. All that should happen before the game.

The great QBs are spending every moment learning what is happening in the game.

Not these guys.

 

[hammerva]

From a purely theatrical standpoint, it would be awesome if the Broncos beat the Steelers.

As a Steelers fan there is plenty of theater so far deal with and much more will come until Sunday. As long as he is in the playoffs, ESPN and religious conservatives will play this up like the most important thing in lifeAs for the religious thing, I chalk it up more to typical religious brainwashing then Tebow the person. I mean he is telling people that all non Christians are going to hell he is just feeding the company line and probably deep down doesn't believe it

 

[Two Deep]

Actually after further reflection it turns out I do have a problem with Tebow's Christianity:it's actually the same problem I have with Newton.With both of these guys, when they are on the sideline, instead of looking at photos, talking with the OC or QB coach or head coach, they have their head buried. Newton's is under a towel, Tebow's is down, pointed to the ground, chin firmly pointing down to the ground. Both supposedly are deep in thought, gathering their focus and energy. But that's not what they need to be doing. All that should happen before the game.The great QBs are spending every moment learning what is happening in the game.Not these guys.

Really

 

[Mario Kart]

Tebow and the Broncos win this game no problem. Maybe 21+ points for the Broncos and the Steelers will not top 14. Book it.

 

[FavreCo]

Tebow and the Broncos win this game no problem. Maybe 21+ points for the Broncos and the Steelers will not top 14. Book it.

Still drunk from New Year's Eve? Impressive.

 

[munchkin]

Tebow and the Broncos win this game no problem. Maybe 21+ points for the Broncos and the Steelers will not top 14. Book it.

When you are going down you might as well go down swinging. The Broncos only chance is a Steeler forfeit.

 

[SacramentoBob]

FreeBagel gonna admit he was wrong now?

I was on the Tebow bandwagon but I'm seriously thinking of jumping off. He needs to make quicker decisions when in the pocket. If you watched his late game drives earlier in the year when he was winning games, he would make a decision to either run or pass within a couple of seconds after dropping back. In the last couple of games, he would take an eternity to make a decision.

I think the Buffalo game got to his head. He seems hesitant to throw the ball because he doesn't want to throw an INT. He needs stop thinking so much and just play football. He will be out of football soon if he doesn't learn to make quicker decisions while in the pocket.

One thing is clear, it got to someone's head. I'm just not sure if it was Tebow or Fox. Fox is a compulsive over-reactor and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he told Tim after the Buffalo game "don't throw it unless the guy is absolutely wiiiiide open, otherwise just throw it away".Fox has taken being conservative to a level that is almost a caricature of the idea. Punting the ball on 4th and 7 with 2:30 left and 1 timeout is borderline throwing the game. At that point, a BEST CASE scenario is that you force a 3 and out and get the ball back with less than a minute, inside your own 20, with no timeouts while needing a touchdown. What kind of a coach realistically thinks that gives them a better chance of winning than picking up a 4th and 7? What's worse is that they had nothing to lose by going for it. A first down by KC ends the game either way so field position only matters in that it puts them in FG range, which would make a TD tie it instead or win it. I just can't even begin fathom how ridiculous it was to punt the ball there. It was a complete give-up. The only thing I can comprehend is that he either thought he had more timeouts, doesn't know how long the game clock is in the NFL, or he is really, really bad at math.

Prior to the end of the game the Broncos threw 1 time on 1st and 10. Their offense is basically run up the middle over and over until we get into 3rd and long and then either run a QB draw or hope for a miracle.

Tebow came in last year under a different regime and they let him throw the ball around and he did pretty well for a rookie. Then this season started up and he again threw the ball pretty solidly in the 2nd half of the San Diego game and the end of the Miami game. Then the Detroit game happened, and instead of chalking it up to a bad game for a young QB like every other coach in the world does with young QBs, Fox panicked and went into ultra conservative mode. Denver was winning and they were giving Tebow more and more opportunities, and then the Buffalo game happened and Fox once again went into ultra over-reaction mode.

I've said since his time in Florida that Tebow's biggest hurdle in the NFL would be his weakness reading defenses, not any of the nonsense about his throwing motion. That is still the biggest thing holding him back, and this ultra conservative style of not throwing it to anyone unless they're wide open is not doing him any favors. Denver needs to drop the gimmicks and let Tebow be a normal QB with the understanding that there are going to be bumps along the way like there are for any QB. It's the same thing that I said about Reggie Bush for years (and looky looky, now that he's being used as a normal running back he's actually played very well). Maybe he will crash and burn, but at least then they'll know. The gimmicks just drag everyone along and set both Tebow and the franchise back. The only thing that Tebow has done consistently under Fox/McCoy is regress backwards. You don't have the defense to win every game 10-7 so let Tebow be a quarterback and take his lumps while actually learning, rather than take his lumps while handing the ball off or throwing it out of bounds when his receiver has a small step on the guy.

I've got no idea why people think Mike McCoy is some great offensive coordinator. It's just more NFL groupthink garbage. People give him credit for integrating Tebow's strengths like the read-option but that's a pretty simple play that was already being run in the NFL and that they run what, like 3-4 times a game? Their "option" offense is nothing more than a standard NFL offense that is absurdly run heavy. They're not running tricky running plays, they're running the same running plays that every NFL team does with the option read thrown in a couple of times a game. Further, other than Thomas the receivers all have horrific ball skills (is no one teaching these guys how to use their hands rather than their bodies?), and they quit on plays (probably because they don't expect to ever actually be thrown to). Several times in the KC game receivers quit on their routes just as the ball was being thrown. Once was Decker (though he was doubled anyway and wouldn't have come down with the ball). The other was Willis on the sidelines towards the end of the game on what would have been a huge play. It's like no one is coaching these guys and there's no accountability.

I really think that Tebow could have been a good quarterback with McDaniels because McDaniels' offense limits the necessity of being good at reading the field (which Tebow is not). He clearly has a weakness reading the field beyond what other QBs do but when you put him in an offense that makes those reads for him, his scrambling/rushing ability and playmaking ability more than make up for it. The current offense seems more designed to limit the QB as much as possible and let everyone else do most of the legwork. The problem is that "everyone else" mostly sucks on this awful team anyway so even if you don't believe in Tebow you may as well see what he can do so you can either be done with it or see if he can get better at reading defenses when he's actually given the opportunity to do it.

Apparently not.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The Broncos only chance is a Steeler forfeit.

You mean the same Steelers team that, despite still having a shot at a first round bye, barely beat the hapless Browns last Sunday? Interesting.

 

[FavreCo]

Can we just agree to collectively ignore Farveco? Sounds like he's 10 years old - and immature for his age.

I have to admit this made me laugh.I don't mind someone forming a counter argument to something they are passionate about. In fantasy football you can become very passionate for or against a player or team, but FavreCo is not doing a very good job of formulating good arguments to prove his dislike of Tebow.Everyone knows Tebow has a ways to go to be an effective starter in this league. Tebow is a unique player with a unique skill set and no one including Denver themselves know if his skill set can work for the long run. So FavreCo continuouslly calling him out by comparing him to Carr, and Young and saying he sucks is not a valid argument against Tebow.

In all seriousness, regardless of which side of the argument he's on, it's probably been one of the worst string of posts I've ever seen here in the pool. It's pretty patently obvious that he's just trolling right down to the definition of the word, giving nothing but offhand remarks with no intent other than to get a rise out of schnikies.I've been here a long time and never really noticed him before (which isn't suprising at this point, as it doesn't look like he has it in him to make any kind of worthwhile argument that people would remember), but I'm actually impressed that he's found a way to make it this long without being banned.

Before I zip tie this thread and archive it, I need to bump some of these classics. Where are these 3 guys at? On a milk carton?

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Can we just agree to collectively ignore Farveco? Sounds like he's 10 years old - and immature for his age.

I have to admit this made me laugh.I don't mind someone forming a counter argument to something they are passionate about. In fantasy football you can become very passionate for or against a player or team, but FavreCo is not doing a very good job of formulating good arguments to prove his dislike of Tebow.Everyone knows Tebow has a ways to go to be an effective starter in this league. Tebow is a unique player with a unique skill set and no one including Denver themselves know if his skill set can work for the long run. So FavreCo continuouslly calling him out by comparing him to Carr, and Young and saying he sucks is not a valid argument against Tebow.

In all seriousness, regardless of which side of the argument he's on, it's probably been one of the worst string of posts I've ever seen here in the pool. It's pretty patently obvious that he's just trolling right down to the definition of the word, giving nothing but offhand remarks with no intent other than to get a rise out of schnikies.I've been here a long time and never really noticed him before (which isn't suprising at this point, as it doesn't look like he has it in him to make any kind of worthwhile argument that people would remember), but I'm actually impressed that he's found a way to make it this long without being banned.

Before I zip tie this thread and archive it, I need to bump some of these classics. Where are these 3 guys at? On a milk carton?

I am not going anywhere.You have been missing my message to you apparently.I am still not sold on Tebow long term. I never have been. I have remained the same since when I first started posting in this thread.I have continuouslly said Tebow is a work in progress. He has the talent and skill level to make it but whether or not he continues to improve enough to be the long term answer is the huge question mark. I have said he needs to be able to pass more consistently which I think he could with proper coaching and continued work if he wants to be a long term starter in the NFL.Tebow has played poorly the past month. He has looked dreadful in other games even when they were winning. But the fact is he is a young QB learning on the fly and having varied success. I still would not bet against Tebow continuing to grow into a starter for an NFL team going forward. I would also not bet on Tebow fizzing out and becoming a career back up. You have made you mind up about him and taken a strong stance. I on the other hand am taking a more conservative wait and see approach.

 

[munchkin]

The Broncos only chance is a Steeler forfeit.

You mean the same Steelers team that, despite still having a shot at a first round bye, barely beat the hapless Browns last Sunday? Interesting.

Yes, Tebow is that bad. Seneca Wallace outplayed him last week.

 

[Chaka]

Steelers are hurting. Denver has a shot, not a good one but I'll give them a punchers chance.

 

[The Dude]

Can we just agree to collectively ignore Farveco? Sounds like he's 10 years old - and immature for his age.

I have to admit this made me laugh.I don't mind someone forming a counter argument to something they are passionate about. In fantasy football you can become very passionate for or against a player or team, but FavreCo is not doing a very good job of formulating good arguments to prove his dislike of Tebow.Everyone knows Tebow has a ways to go to be an effective starter in this league. Tebow is a unique player with a unique skill set and no one including Denver themselves know if his skill set can work for the long run. So FavreCo continuouslly calling him out by comparing him to Carr, and Young and saying he sucks is not a valid argument against Tebow.

In all seriousness, regardless of which side of the argument he's on, it's probably been one of the worst string of posts I've ever seen here in the pool. It's pretty patently obvious that he's just trolling right down to the definition of the word, giving nothing but offhand remarks with no intent other than to get a rise out of schnikies.I've been here a long time and never really noticed him before (which isn't suprising at this point, as it doesn't look like he has it in him to make any kind of worthwhile argument that people would remember), but I'm actually impressed that he's found a way to make it this long without being banned.

Before I zip tie this thread and archive it, I need to bump some of these classics. Where are these 3 guys at? On a milk carton?

I been here all along - posted a few nights ago.It's laughable that you are seemingly proclaiming victory over the masses when there were only 1 or 2 people arguing against you. I never stated Tebow was the answer or the long term solution. I - along with many others - stated he had fantasy value and to ride it for what it was worth - and your response was that he was not a good QB or the long term answer.You were fabricating that you were winning a debate against the masses on a topic that few were debating.Now go ahead and troll my posts, take something out of context, and fabricate that I am backpedaling.

 

[zDragon]

Can we just agree to collectively ignore Farveco? Sounds like he's 10 years old - and immature for his age.

I have to admit this made me laugh.I don't mind someone forming a counter argument to something they are passionate about. In fantasy football you can become very passionate for or against a player or team, but FavreCo is not doing a very good job of formulating good arguments to prove his dislike of Tebow.Everyone knows Tebow has a ways to go to be an effective starter in this league. Tebow is a unique player with a unique skill set and no one including Denver themselves know if his skill set can work for the long run. So FavreCo continuouslly calling him out by comparing him to Carr, and Young and saying he sucks is not a valid argument against Tebow.

In all seriousness, regardless of which side of the argument he's on, it's probably been one of the worst string of posts I've ever seen here in the pool. It's pretty patently obvious that he's just trolling right down to the definition of the word, giving nothing but offhand remarks with no intent other than to get a rise out of schnikies.I've been here a long time and never really noticed him before (which isn't suprising at this point, as it doesn't look like he has it in him to make any kind of worthwhile argument that people would remember), but I'm actually impressed that he's found a way to make it this long without being banned.

Before I zip tie this thread and archive it, I need to bump some of these classics. Where are these 3 guys at? On a milk carton?

Seems they were right.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Serious question. If his playoff performance is equivalent to what he did vs the Chiefs, does Tim take another snap in a Broncos uniform?

 

[Joe Summer]

Serious question. If his playoff performance is equivalent to what he did vs the Chiefs, does Tim take another snap in a Broncos uniform?

Serious answer: undoubtedly yes.No matter what happens this week, the Broncos will waste at least another half season chasing the dream that Tim Tebow created in weeks 7-14 of 2011.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Serious question. If his playoff performance is equivalent to what he did vs the Chiefs, does Tim take another snap in a Broncos uniform?

Serious answer: undoubtedly yes.No matter what happens this week, the Broncos will waste at least another half season chasing the dream that Tim Tebow created in weeks 7-14 of 2011.

Chasing the dragon?

 

[FavreCo]

I been here all along - posted a few nights ago.It's laughable that you are seemingly proclaiming victory over the masses when there were only 1 or 2 people arguing against you. I never stated Tebow was the answer or the long term solution. I - along with many others - stated he had fantasy value and to ride it for what it was worth - and your response was that he was not a good QB or the long term answer.You were fabricating that you were winning a debate against the masses on a topic that few were debating.Now go ahead and troll my posts, take something out of context, and fabricate that I am backpedaling.

That's all ya got? Fantasy value zero. A couple of weeks where he outscored some of the real QB's and you guys claimed victory by picking and choosing who you matched his fantasy week up against. 'Oh look he outscored Drew Brees this week.' Well, look what he him now. Bottom feeder. Your not backpedaling. You just don't know FF and can't judge NFL talent.

 

[AmosMoses]

FYI, Tebow was 5-2 in SEC championship games and bowls. So that = playoff win.

 

[The Dude]

I been here all along - posted a few nights ago.

It's laughable that you are seemingly proclaiming victory over the masses when there were only 1 or 2 people arguing against you. I never stated Tebow was the answer or the long term solution. I - along with many others - stated he had fantasy value and to ride it for what it was worth - and your response was that he was not a good QB or the long term answer.

You were fabricating that you were winning a debate against the masses on a topic that few were debating.

Now go ahead and troll my posts, take something out of context, and fabricate that I am backpedaling.

That's all ya got? Fantasy value zero. A couple of weeks where he outscored some of the real QB's and you guys claimed victory by picking and choosing who you matched his fantasy week up against. 'Oh look he outscored Drew Brees this week.' Well, look what he him now. Bottom feeder. Your not backpedaling. You just don't know FF and can't judge NFL talent.

Most of your problem is due to a lack of reading comprehension. You appear to be so quick to attempt to type a witty response (fail) and use the LOL smilie (as if it gives your statement credibility) that you forget what you are responding to.In a nutshell.

Cue Mills Lane - this one is over as Farveco is TKO'd.

 

[munchkin]

Serious question. If his playoff performance is equivalent to what he did vs the Chiefs, does Tim take another snap in a Broncos uniform?

If they lose and he doesn't play well he is on the team mext season regardless unless Elway's dream is answered and he gets a reasonable trade offer; parameters of that offer would be dependant on how bad he looks. Denver fans fell in love with Tebow when he was winning but they have had enough of losing with marginal QB play. Jake Plummer, Brian Griese, Orton and an underperforming Jay Cutler are fresh memories for this teams' fans. Elway wants to bring a winning team here. Tebow will likely be here next off season but he will have "legitimate" competition.

 

[DoubleG]

Actually after further reflection it turns out I do have a problem with Tebow's Christianity:

it's actually the same problem I have with Newton.

With both of these guys, when they are on the sideline, instead of looking at photos, talking with the OC or QB coach or head coach, they have their head buried. Newton's is under a towel, Tebow's is down, pointed to the ground, chin firmly pointing down to the ground. Both supposedly are deep in thought, gathering their focus and energy. But that's not what they need to be doing. All that should happen before the game.

The great QBs are spending every moment learning what is happening in the game.

Not these guys.

Really

Are we going to talk about Cutler and body language and facial expressions now too? Here's a hint: the 12 seconds of the game that the camera shows a QB on the sidelines are not the only time he's doing anything. HTH.The Anti-Tebow guys that are actually watching the games and discussing stats and what he does on the field at least have some basis for their points. This is just silliness.

 

[Max Power]

I'm so split on this whole Tebow Fiasco. Here is my take...

In College, I thought he was a great player in that system and had major talent around him. I disliked him mainly because Florida was the team to beat and the Tebow fans were unbearable at times.

Coming into the draft, I was probably higher on the kid than most. I thought he would be a second or third round pick and didn't think his passing was as bad as advertised. I don't have anything against Denver, but the McDaniels era in Denver put the Broncos in a bad light for me. So when they drafted Tebow in the first, I put my foot back in the door of the hater bandwagon.

Prior to becoming a starting QB, all the reports said he was "not ready" to be an NFL QB. At this point I was basically just SMH at McDaniels and thinking "I told you so".

Tebow is named the starter. He isn't looking games, but the team is winning. To me it was obvious that the team was winning in spite of his play and not really because of his play. Don't read that wrong. He made plays when they needed to be made. The fact that was being overlooked is that yeah, while the Broncos were pulling out games late in the 4th weekly... Why were all the games so darn close in the 4th? Because Tim did nothing to put them ahead, he only kept them from not getting out of hand.

For Denver fans, I understand the excitement. It was a crazy run for a while there. But just like the Anti-Tebow crowd, the pro-tebow was just out of control. Rational questions about his QB skills were answered with...

At that point, I was probably filled under the hater category. The last three weeks put a smile on my face as I felt the weaknesses in his game that were obvious to me, now HAD to be obvious to everyone.

But now I sit here and the Anti-tebow crowd is just too much. The kid needs work. He does. I don't see any reason to think he can't be a serviceable QB in the NFL. He extends plays. Crazy as it sounds, the kid is better 5 seconds after the snap than the first 4 seconds. That is a skill set that not many QBs have.

I'm really looking forward to 2012, where we can get a good true look at kid. I personally feel like it would be a mistake for Denver to try to build around him. I think he is always going to be a QB in that 25-35 range (skill wise) in the NFL. Serviceable, but not someone you want to hitch your wagon to for the long run.

 

[tom22406]

Greg Cosell's take on Tebow is a very good read.He always tells it like it is

He breaks down the Chiefs game in this one

Some key points

Broncos flea-flicker on 1st play of 2nd possession worked perfectly, Decker wide open on deep corner route but Tebow did not throw the ball; Tebow no pressure in the pocket, Throw has to be made – Shot play that worked, Tebow failed to execute

Tebow did not pull the trigger to primary read wide open receivers on well designed plays

Tebow needs to learn what open is in the NFL, Right now he is not pulling the trigger on primary read throws that are there

Broncos clearly do not want Tebow throwing the ball unless they can define the conditions with designed primary read throws – Another example of coaches telling you by their play calling and utilization of players how they feel about their own players

Tebow needs major technique and lower body work throwing the ball; Bad tendency to lift his back leg off the ground before he delivers the ball, That dramatically slows down his arm speed and limits velocity

Tebow will have to learn how to pass in order to play QB effectively and consistently in the NFL

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/04/cosells-watching-tebow-must-learn-how-to-pass/

 

[TobiasFunke]

FYI, Tebow was 5-2 in SEC championship games and bowls. So that = playoff win.

For two of those wins, Tebow was a goal line/short yardage specialist, not the starting QB.Actually that would probably be a good way for the Broncos to use him, now that I think about it. Many teams employ a goal line back who isn't nearly skilled enough to play the position the rest of the game, no reason you can't do that with a QB too. You know, as long as you wasted a first round pick and a bunch of money on him already.

 

[Two Deep]

Actually after further reflection it turns out I do have a problem with Tebow's Christianity:

it's actually the same problem I have with Newton.

With both of these guys, when they are on the sideline, instead of looking at photos, talking with the OC or QB coach or head coach, they have their head buried. Newton's is under a towel, Tebow's is down, pointed to the ground, chin firmly pointing down to the ground. Both supposedly are deep in thought, gathering their focus and energy. But that's not what they need to be doing. All that should happen before the game.

The great QBs are spending every moment learning what is happening in the game.

Not these guys.

Really

Are we going to talk about Cutler and body language and facial expressions now too? Here's a hint: the 12 seconds of the game that the camera shows a QB on the sidelines are not the only time he's doing anything. HTH.The Anti-Tebow guys that are actually watching the games and discussing stats and what he does on the field at least have some basis for their points. This is just silliness.

Sez you Tebow lover. Most everytime they show Tebow (which is a #### load) he is sitting by himself or on occasion might have a coach lean in and say something. I have never seen him looking at photo's of previous plays. Probably because he doesn't know what the hell to look for.

 

[Two Deep]

Can we just agree to collectively ignore Farveco? Sounds like he's 10 years old - and immature for his age.

I have to admit this made me laugh.I don't mind someone forming a counter argument to something they are passionate about. In fantasy football you can become very passionate for or against a player or team, but FavreCo is not doing a very good job of formulating good arguments to prove his dislike of Tebow.

Everyone knows Tebow has a ways to go to be an effective starter in this league. Tebow is a unique player with a unique skill set and no one including Denver themselves know if his skill set can work for the long run. So FavreCo continuouslly calling him out by comparing him to Carr, and Young and saying he sucks is not a valid argument against Tebow.

In all seriousness, regardless of which side of the argument he's on, it's probably been one of the worst string of posts I've ever seen here in the pool. It's pretty patently obvious that he's just trolling right down to the definition of the word, giving nothing but offhand remarks with no intent other than to get a rise out of schnikies.I've been here a long time and never really noticed him before (which isn't suprising at this point, as it doesn't look like he has it in him to make any kind of worthwhile argument that people would remember), but I'm actually impressed that he's found a way to make it this long without being banned.

Before I zip tie this thread and archive it, I need to bump some of these classics. Where are these 3 guys at? On a milk carton?

I am not going anywhere.You have been missing my message to you apparently.

I am still not sold on Tebow long term. I never have been. I have remained the same since when I first started posting in this thread.

I have continuouslly said Tebow is a work in progress. He has the talent and skill level to make it but whether or not he continues to improve enough to be the long term answer is the huge question mark. I have said he needs to be able to pass more consistently which I think he could with proper coaching and continued work if he wants to be a long term starter in the NFL.

Tebow has played poorly the past month. He has looked dreadful in other games even when they were winning. But the fact is he is a young QB learning on the fly and having varied success. I still would not bet against Tebow continuing to grow into a starter for an NFL team going forward. I would also not bet on Tebow fizzing out and becoming a career back up.

You have made you mind up about him and taken a strong stance. I on the other hand am taking a more conservative wait and see approach.

I think you can stop waiting.

 

[Two Deep]

Tebow and the Broncos win this game no problem. Maybe 21+ points for the Broncos and the Steelers will not top 14. Book it.

When you are going down you might as well go down swinging. The Broncos only chance is a Steeler forfeit.

Skip Bayless has jumped off the Tebow train. He predicted Steelers win by 20 pts. Skip Bayless fair weather lover

 

[moleculo]

Can we just agree to collectively ignore Farveco? Sounds like he's 10 years old - and immature for his age.

I have to admit this made me laugh.I don't mind someone forming a counter argument to something they are passionate about. In fantasy football you can become very passionate for or against a player or team, but FavreCo is not doing a very good job of formulating good arguments to prove his dislike of Tebow.

Everyone knows Tebow has a ways to go to be an effective starter in this league. Tebow is a unique player with a unique skill set and no one including Denver themselves know if his skill set can work for the long run. So FavreCo continuouslly calling him out by comparing him to Carr, and Young and saying he sucks is not a valid argument against Tebow.

In all seriousness, regardless of which side of the argument he's on, it's probably been one of the worst string of posts I've ever seen here in the pool. It's pretty patently obvious that he's just trolling right down to the definition of the word, giving nothing but offhand remarks with no intent other than to get a rise out of schnikies.I've been here a long time and never really noticed him before (which isn't suprising at this point, as it doesn't look like he has it in him to make any kind of worthwhile argument that people would remember), but I'm actually impressed that he's found a way to make it this long without being banned.

Before I zip tie this thread and archive it, I need to bump some of these classics. Where are these 3 guys at? On a milk carton?

I am not going anywhere.You have been missing my message to you apparently.

I am still not sold on Tebow long term. I never have been. I have remained the same since when I first started posting in this thread.

I have continuouslly said Tebow is a work in progress. He has the talent and skill level to make it but whether or not he continues to improve enough to be the long term answer is the huge question mark. I have said he needs to be able to pass more consistently which I think he could with proper coaching and continued work if he wants to be a long term starter in the NFL.

Tebow has played poorly the past month. He has looked dreadful in other games even when they were winning. But the fact is he is a young QB learning on the fly and having varied success. I still would not bet against Tebow continuing to grow into a starter for an NFL team going forward. I would also not bet on Tebow fizzing out and becoming a career back up.

You have made you mind up about him and taken a strong stance. I on the other hand am taking a more conservative wait and see approach.

I think you can stop waiting.

Might as well give him the same lattitude you'd give any other young QB with known defficiencies: a full off-season w/ coaching staff to see if there can be any improvement.

 

[moleculo]

FYI, Tebow was 5-2 in SEC championship games and bowls. So that = playoff win.

For two of those wins, Tebow was a goal line/short yardage specialist, not the starting QB.Actually that would probably be a good way for the Broncos to use him, now that I think about it. Many teams employ a goal line back who isn't nearly skilled enough to play the position the rest of the game, no reason you can't do that with a QB too. You know, as long as you wasted a first round pick and a bunch of money on him already.

You know that can never happen, right?

 

[FavreCo]

I been here all along - posted a few nights ago.

It's laughable that you are seemingly proclaiming victory over the masses when there were only 1 or 2 people arguing against you. I never stated Tebow was the answer or the long term solution. I - along with many others - stated he had fantasy value and to ride it for what it was worth - and your response was that he was not a good QB or the long term answer.

You were fabricating that you were winning a debate against the masses on a topic that few were debating.

Now go ahead and troll my posts, take something out of context, and fabricate that I am backpedaling.

That's all ya got? Fantasy value zero. A couple of weeks where he outscored some of the real QB's and you guys claimed victory by picking and choosing who you matched his fantasy week up against. 'Oh look he outscored Drew Brees this week.' Well, look what he him now. Bottom feeder. Your not backpedaling. You just don't know FF and can't judge NFL talent.

Most of your problem is due to a lack of reading comprehension. You appear to be so quick to attempt to type a witty response (fail) and use the LOL smilie (as if it gives your statement credibility) that you forget what you are responding to.In a nutshell.

Cue Mills Lane - this one is over as Farveco is TKO'd.

That's like Hearns (you) saying he taught Hagler (me) a lesson.

 

[Two Deep]

Can we just agree to collectively ignore Farveco? Sounds like he's 10 years old - and immature for his age.

I have to admit this made me laugh.I don't mind someone forming a counter argument to something they are passionate about. In fantasy football you can become very passionate for or against a player or team, but FavreCo is not doing a very good job of formulating good arguments to prove his dislike of Tebow.

Everyone knows Tebow has a ways to go to be an effective starter in this league. Tebow is a unique player with a unique skill set and no one including Denver themselves know if his skill set can work for the long run. So FavreCo continuouslly calling him out by comparing him to Carr, and Young and saying he sucks is not a valid argument against Tebow.

In all seriousness, regardless of which side of the argument he's on, it's probably been one of the worst string of posts I've ever seen here in the pool. It's pretty patently obvious that he's just trolling right down to the definition of the word, giving nothing but offhand remarks with no intent other than to get a rise out of schnikies.I've been here a long time and never really noticed him before (which isn't suprising at this point, as it doesn't look like he has it in him to make any kind of worthwhile argument that people would remember), but I'm actually impressed that he's found a way to make it this long without being banned.

Before I zip tie this thread and archive it, I need to bump some of these classics. Where are these 3 guys at? On a milk carton?

I am not going anywhere.You have been missing my message to you apparently.

I am still not sold on Tebow long term. I never have been. I have remained the same since when I first started posting in this thread.

I have continuouslly said Tebow is a work in progress. He has the talent and skill level to make it but whether or not he continues to improve enough to be the long term answer is the huge question mark. I have said he needs to be able to pass more consistently which I think he could with proper coaching and continued work if he wants to be a long term starter in the NFL.

Tebow has played poorly the past month. He has looked dreadful in other games even when they were winning. But the fact is he is a young QB learning on the fly and having varied success. I still would not bet against Tebow continuing to grow into a starter for an NFL team going forward. I would also not bet on Tebow fizzing out and becoming a career back up.

You have made you mind up about him and taken a strong stance. I on the other hand am taking a more conservative wait and see approach.

I think you can stop waiting.

Might as well give him the same lattitude you'd give any other young QB with known defficiencies: a full off-season w/ coaching staff to see if there can be any improvement.

I would agree if he were close. Young QB with good mechanics, accuracy, quick release etc. who just needs to get to speed with the playbook yes. One that has very few QB traits no.

 

[TobiasFunke]

FYI, Tebow was 5-2 in SEC championship games and bowls. So that = playoff win.

For two of those wins, Tebow was a goal line/short yardage specialist, not the starting QB.Actually that would probably be a good way for the Broncos to use him, now that I think about it. Many teams employ a goal line back who isn't nearly skilled enough to play the position the rest of the game, no reason you can't do that with a QB too. You know, as long as you wasted a first round pick and a bunch of money on him already.

You know that can never happen, right?

Yeah, I know. You'd have to make him the backup, too for roster purposes. Not worth the risk of actually having to play him if your starter goes down.

 

[moleculo]

FYI, Tebow was 5-2 in SEC championship games and bowls. So that = playoff win.

For two of those wins, Tebow was a goal line/short yardage specialist, not the starting QB.Actually that would probably be a good way for the Broncos to use him, now that I think about it. Many teams employ a goal line back who isn't nearly skilled enough to play the position the rest of the game, no reason you can't do that with a QB too. You know, as long as you wasted a first round pick and a bunch of money on him already.

You know that can never happen, right?

Yeah, I know. You'd have to make him the backup, too for roster purposes. Not worth the risk of actually having to play him if your starter goes down.

That's not why. It's because Tebowites are so irrational they will make life hell for the starting QB and coach...doing things like putting up billboards, chanting for him after every incomplete pass, etc. It would place an undue amount of pressure on whomever is starting, outside of Brady/Brees/Manning.Regardless of his actual skills, Tebow cannot co-exist with a legit starting QB.

 

[moleculo]

Can we just agree to collectively ignore Farveco? Sounds like he's 10 years old - and immature for his age.

I have to admit this made me laugh.I don't mind someone forming a counter argument to something they are passionate about. In fantasy football you can become very passionate for or against a player or team, but FavreCo is not doing a very good job of formulating good arguments to prove his dislike of Tebow.

Everyone knows Tebow has a ways to go to be an effective starter in this league. Tebow is a unique player with a unique skill set and no one including Denver themselves know if his skill set can work for the long run. So FavreCo continuouslly calling him out by comparing him to Carr, and Young and saying he sucks is not a valid argument against Tebow.

In all seriousness, regardless of which side of the argument he's on, it's probably been one of the worst string of posts I've ever seen here in the pool. It's pretty patently obvious that he's just trolling right down to the definition of the word, giving nothing but offhand remarks with no intent other than to get a rise out of schnikies.I've been here a long time and never really noticed him before (which isn't suprising at this point, as it doesn't look like he has it in him to make any kind of worthwhile argument that people would remember), but I'm actually impressed that he's found a way to make it this long without being banned.

Before I zip tie this thread and archive it, I need to bump some of these classics. Where are these 3 guys at? On a milk carton?

I am not going anywhere.You have been missing my message to you apparently.

I am still not sold on Tebow long term. I never have been. I have remained the same since when I first started posting in this thread.

I have continuouslly said Tebow is a work in progress. He has the talent and skill level to make it but whether or not he continues to improve enough to be the long term answer is the huge question mark. I have said he needs to be able to pass more consistently which I think he could with proper coaching and continued work if he wants to be a long term starter in the NFL.

Tebow has played poorly the past month. He has looked dreadful in other games even when they were winning. But the fact is he is a young QB learning on the fly and having varied success. I still would not bet against Tebow continuing to grow into a starter for an NFL team going forward. I would also not bet on Tebow fizzing out and becoming a career back up.

You have made you mind up about him and taken a strong stance. I on the other hand am taking a more conservative wait and see approach.

I think you can stop waiting.

Might as well give him the same lattitude you'd give any other young QB with known defficiencies: a full off-season w/ coaching staff to see if there can be any improvement.

I would agree if he were close. Young QB with good mechanics, accuracy, quick release etc. who just needs to get to speed with the playbook yes. One that has very few QB traits no.

From what i've seen this year, the mechanics issue is overblown. They have actually gotten progressively better and IMO his accuracy is much better than it was earlier. The stat line does't show it because it doesn't account for throw-aways or passes placed where no one can get it, but if anyone could, it would be the receiver. Or drops.The problem over the last few games is decisiveness and willingness to pull the trigger. He's playing scared - afraid to make a throw to a WR who only has one step on his man. He's not reading D's, he isn't trusted to audible. He's not seeing the whole field, and he's not throwing any timing routes.

These are things that come with practice and work w/ the coaching staff.

 

[TobiasFunke]

FYI, Tebow was 5-2 in SEC championship games and bowls. So that = playoff win.

For two of those wins, Tebow was a goal line/short yardage specialist, not the starting QB.Actually that would probably be a good way for the Broncos to use him, now that I think about it. Many teams employ a goal line back who isn't nearly skilled enough to play the position the rest of the game, no reason you can't do that with a QB too. You know, as long as you wasted a first round pick and a bunch of money on him already.

You know that can never happen, right?

Yeah, I know. You'd have to make him the backup, too for roster purposes. Not worth the risk of actually having to play him if your starter goes down.

That's not why. It's because Tebowites are so irrational they will make life hell for the starting QB and coach...doing things like putting up billboards, chanting for him after every incomplete pass, etc. It would place an undue amount of pressure on whomever is starting, outside of Brady/Brees/Manning.Regardless of his actual skills, Tebow cannot co-exist with a legit starting QB.

I know. I just like to poke the Tebowites with a stick every now and again. They're hilarious. Gotta be hell on a rational Broncos fan, though.

 

[cheese]

Serious question. If his playoff performance is equivalent to what he did vs the Chiefs, does Tim take another snap in a Broncos uniform?

Serious answer: undoubtedly yes.No matter what happens this week, the Broncos will waste at least another half season chasing the dream that Tim Tebow created in weeks 7-14 of 2011.

Yes, they will, but when you say another it sounds like you're implying they've already wasted something. They turned a complete crap team into a home playoff game with Tebows 8 week run. It has done anything but cost them to this point. For 2012, if he plays more like weeks 15-17 than 7-14, I would agree that he will hurt them. Probably by making a 4 win roster win 2 games instead. I think they can live with that after what he did for them this year.

 

[FavreCo]

Can we just agree to collectively ignore Farveco? Sounds like he's 10 years old - and immature for his age.

I have to admit this made me laugh.I don't mind someone forming a counter argument to something they are passionate about. In fantasy football you can become very passionate for or against a player or team, but FavreCo is not doing a very good job of formulating good arguments to prove his dislike of Tebow.

Everyone knows Tebow has a ways to go to be an effective starter in this league. Tebow is a unique player with a unique skill set and no one including Denver themselves know if his skill set can work for the long run. So FavreCo continuouslly calling him out by comparing him to Carr, and Young and saying he sucks is not a valid argument against Tebow.

In all seriousness, regardless of which side of the argument he's on, it's probably been one of the worst string of posts I've ever seen here in the pool. It's pretty patently obvious that he's just trolling right down to the definition of the word, giving nothing but offhand remarks with no intent other than to get a rise out of schnikies.I've been here a long time and never really noticed him before (which isn't suprising at this point, as it doesn't look like he has it in him to make any kind of worthwhile argument that people would remember), but I'm actually impressed that he's found a way to make it this long without being banned.

Before I zip tie this thread and archive it, I need to bump some of these classics. Where are these 3 guys at? On a milk carton?

I am not going anywhere.You have been missing my message to you apparently.

I am still not sold on Tebow long term. I never have been. I have remained the same since when I first started posting in this thread.

I have continuouslly said Tebow is a work in progress. He has the talent and skill level to make it but whether or not he continues to improve enough to be the long term answer is the huge question mark. I have said he needs to be able to pass more consistently which I think he could with proper coaching and continued work if he wants to be a long term starter in the NFL.

Tebow has played poorly the past month. He has looked dreadful in other games even when they were winning. But the fact is he is a young QB learning on the fly and having varied success. I still would not bet against Tebow continuing to grow into a starter for an NFL team going forward. I would also not bet on Tebow fizzing out and becoming a career back up.

You have made you mind up about him and taken a strong stance. I on the other hand am taking a more conservative wait and see approach.

I think you can stop waiting.

Might as well give him the same lattitude you'd give any other young QB with known defficiencies: a full off-season w/ coaching staff to see if there can be any improvement.

I would agree if he were close. Young QB with good mechanics, accuracy, quick release etc. who just needs to get to speed with the playbook yes. One that has very few QB traits no.

From what i've seen this year, the mechanics issue is overblown. They have actually gotten progressively better and IMO his accuracy is much better than it was earlier. The stat line does't show it because it doesn't account for throw-aways or passes placed where no one can get it, but if anyone could, it would be the receiver. Or drops.The problem over the last few games is decisiveness and willingness to pull the trigger. He's playing scared - afraid to make a throw to a WR who only has one step on his man. He's not reading D's, he isn't trusted to audible. He's not seeing the whole field, and he's not throwing any timing routes.

These are things that come with practice and work w/ the coaching staff.

But usually the QB in question has made some throws that make you go wow. I'll say this. Newton has done that this year. Tebow has yet to do it. There is no wow factor in The Tebow.

 

[charlatan]

From what i've seen this year, the mechanics issue is overblown. They have actually gotten progressively better and IMO his accuracy is much better than it was earlier. The stat line does't show it because it doesn't account for throw-aways or passes placed where no one can get it, but if anyone could, it would be the receiver. Or drops. The problem over the last few games is decisiveness and willingness to pull the trigger. He's playing scared - afraid to make a throw to a WR who only has one step on his man. He's not reading D's, he isn't trusted to audible. He's not seeing the whole field, and he's not throwing any timing routes.These are things that come with practice and work w/ the coaching staff.

I have taken the same approach all season, I wanted to see a good sampling of games to see where Tebow is. We've got that now, and your assessment is spot on with mine.I agree with you that the mechanics are overblown. However, your second paragraph, which is also accurate, summarizes exactly why I don't think it's worth the effort. Those things that come with practice and work with coaches is something that many QB's at the college level already do, with a certain degree of competency I might add. Yes, most college QB's come in and struggle with some reads and need to adjust to the speed of the game. But they have a much stronger foundation to build on. They don't trust him to throw timing routes... I don't think any QB, regardless of "intangibles" is worth trying to build that from the ground up.I would love him to invalidate all of this and morph into a relaxed passing QB, timing routes and all, but I remain skeptical.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Can we just agree to collectively ignore Farveco? Sounds like he's 10 years old - and immature for his age.

I have to admit this made me laugh.I don't mind someone forming a counter argument to something they are passionate about. In fantasy football you can become very passionate for or against a player or team, but FavreCo is not doing a very good job of formulating good arguments to prove his dislike of Tebow.

Everyone knows Tebow has a ways to go to be an effective starter in this league. Tebow is a unique player with a unique skill set and no one including Denver themselves know if his skill set can work for the long run. So FavreCo continuouslly calling him out by comparing him to Carr, and Young and saying he sucks is not a valid argument against Tebow.

In all seriousness, regardless of which side of the argument he's on, it's probably been one of the worst string of posts I've ever seen here in the pool. It's pretty patently obvious that he's just trolling right down to the definition of the word, giving nothing but offhand remarks with no intent other than to get a rise out of schnikies.I've been here a long time and never really noticed him before (which isn't suprising at this point, as it doesn't look like he has it in him to make any kind of worthwhile argument that people would remember), but I'm actually impressed that he's found a way to make it this long without being banned.

Before I zip tie this thread and archive it, I need to bump some of these classics. Where are these 3 guys at? On a milk carton?

I am not going anywhere.You have been missing my message to you apparently.

I am still not sold on Tebow long term. I never have been. I have remained the same since when I first started posting in this thread.

I have continuouslly said Tebow is a work in progress. He has the talent and skill level to make it but whether or not he continues to improve enough to be the long term answer is the huge question mark. I have said he needs to be able to pass more consistently which I think he could with proper coaching and continued work if he wants to be a long term starter in the NFL.

Tebow has played poorly the past month. He has looked dreadful in other games even when they were winning. But the fact is he is a young QB learning on the fly and having varied success. I still would not bet against Tebow continuing to grow into a starter for an NFL team going forward. I would also not bet on Tebow fizzing out and becoming a career back up.

You have made you mind up about him and taken a strong stance. I on the other hand am taking a more conservative wait and see approach.

I think you can stop waiting.

Might as well give him the same lattitude you'd give any other young QB with known defficiencies: a full off-season w/ coaching staff to see if there can be any improvement.

I would agree if he were close. Young QB with good mechanics, accuracy, quick release etc. who just needs to get to speed with the playbook yes. One that has very few QB traits no.

From what i've seen this year, the mechanics issue is overblown. They have actually gotten progressively better and IMO his accuracy is much better than it was earlier. The stat line does't show it because it doesn't account for throw-aways or passes placed where no one can get it, but if anyone could, it would be the receiver. Or drops.The problem over the last few games is decisiveness and willingness to pull the trigger. He's playing scared - afraid to make a throw to a WR who only has one step on his man. He's not reading D's, he isn't trusted to audible. He's not seeing the whole field, and he's not throwing any timing routes.

These are things that come with practice and work w/ the coaching staff.

But usually the QB in question has made some throws that make you go wow. I'll say this. Newton has done that this year. Tebow has yet to do it. There is no wow factor in The Tebow.

This is not true.This is one of the good things Tebow has going for him rigth now is the "wow" factor. The ability to scramble around and complete a pass that shouldn't have been completed. Or the ability as a QB to take on a LB and run over him. This is however the same wow factor that at times can leave you shaking your head. It can cost him taking a bad sacks, or fumbling the ball and not making a proper drop back and throw completion.

But I think it is wrong to say that Tebow does not possess some form of wow factor as a player. In fact, there would not be this type of hoopla about him if that were the case.

 

[ivnabru]

From a purely theatrical standpoint, it would be awesome if the Broncos beat the Steelers.

As a Steelers fan there is plenty of theater so far deal with and much more will come until Sunday. As long as he is in the playoffs, ESPN and religious conservatives will play this up like the most important thing in lifeAs for the religious thing, I chalk it up more to typical religious brainwashing then Tebow the person. I mean he is telling people that all non Christians are going to hell he is just feeding the company line and probably deep down doesn't believe it

Did he ever actually say this?I mean it's one thing to assume that he believes that and it's a whole other thing for him to say something like that.

 

[moleculo]

From what i've seen this year, the mechanics issue is overblown. They have actually gotten progressively better and IMO his accuracy is much better than it was earlier. The stat line does't show it because it doesn't account for throw-aways or passes placed where no one can get it, but if anyone could, it would be the receiver. Or drops. The problem over the last few games is decisiveness and willingness to pull the trigger. He's playing scared - afraid to make a throw to a WR who only has one step on his man. He's not reading D's, he isn't trusted to audible. He's not seeing the whole field, and he's not throwing any timing routes.These are things that come with practice and work w/ the coaching staff.

I have taken the same approach all season, I wanted to see a good sampling of games to see where Tebow is. We've got that now, and your assessment is spot on with mine.I agree with you that the mechanics are overblown. However, your second paragraph, which is also accurate, summarizes exactly why I don't think it's worth the effort. Those things that come with practice and work with coaches is something that many QB's at the college level already do, with a certain degree of competency I might add. Yes, most college QB's come in and struggle with some reads and need to adjust to the speed of the game. But they have a much stronger foundation to build on. They don't trust him to throw timing routes... I don't think any QB, regardless of "intangibles" is worth trying to build that from the ground up.I would love him to invalidate all of this and morph into a relaxed passing QB, timing routes and all, but I remain skeptical.

I also question if Tebow himself has it in him to dedicate himself fully to building it up. I know - he is the hardest worker out there, yada yada yada. He also runs lots of charities and spends lots of time in the Phillipines - which is all well and good, but doesn't help him build up his game... not to mention writing an autobiography and then hitting the talk show circuit promoting it.Football isn't the most important thing in Tebows life, and it never will be. As a person, that's great for him. As QB of my favorite team, I'm selfishly not all that thrilled that football comes second.

 

[Two Deep]

From what i've seen this year, the mechanics issue is overblown. They have actually gotten progressively better and IMO his accuracy is much better than it was earlier. The stat line does't show it because it doesn't account for throw-aways or passes placed where no one can get it, but if anyone could, it would be the receiver. Or drops.

The problem over the last few games is decisiveness and willingness to pull the trigger. He's playing scared - afraid to make a throw to a WR who only has one step on his man. He's not reading D's, he isn't trusted to audible. He's not seeing the whole field, and he's not throwing any timing routes.

These are things that come with practice and work w/ the coaching staff.

Moleculo; I would love to debate this with you but I don't think either one of us will change the others mind. It is like we are watching different games and quartebacks. His accuracy in my opinion has not gotten better and in fact may have regressed. Throw-aways and passes placed where no one can get it (except receiver/drops) is how you see it. I see passes that he actually thought he was throwing to the receiver only to have them sail out of bounds, or were to high or were to low or were behind the receiver etc.(inaccurate).

 

[Two Deep]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Terrell-Suggs-goes-out-of-his-way-to-bash-Tim-Te?urn=nfl-wp15161

The linebacker took a mostly unprovoked shot at Tim Tebow during a Tuesday appearance on ESPN's "First Take."

"With all due respect we don't need God on our sidelines," Suggs said. "Once again God had to save Tim Tebow and the Denver Broncos. He couldn't even give them two drives? Seven to three? [Referring to the score Denver lost by on Sunday.]"

I agree with Terrell Suggs; Last game when I saw Tebow's lips visibly moving in prayer I wanted them to lose. To me praying to win a game is sacrilegious. Pray for a cure for cancer or the paralyzed to walk etc. but don't waste prayers on a GAME.

 

[MDSkinner]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Terrell-Suggs-goes-out-of-his-way-to-bash-Tim-Te?urn=nfl-wp15161

The linebacker took a mostly unprovoked shot at Tim Tebow during a Tuesday appearance on ESPN's "First Take."

"With all due respect we don't need God on our sidelines," Suggs said. "Once again God had to save Tim Tebow and the Denver Broncos. He couldn't even give them two drives? Seven to three? [Referring to the score Denver lost by on Sunday.]"

I agree with Terrell Suggs; Last game when I saw Tebow's lips visibly moving in prayer I wanted them to lose. To me praying to win a game is sacrilegious. Pray for a cure for cancer or the paralyzed to walk etc. but don't waste prayers on a GAME.

Do we know that he was praying to win the game? I would doubt it, to be honest but perhaps you have a link to something that I haven't heard about.

 

[charlatan]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Terrell-Suggs-goes-out-of-his-way-to-bash-Tim-Te?urn=nfl-wp15161

The linebacker took a mostly unprovoked shot at Tim Tebow during a Tuesday appearance on ESPN's "First Take."

"With all due respect we don't need God on our sidelines," Suggs said. "Once again God had to save Tim Tebow and the Denver Broncos. He couldn't even give them two drives? Seven to three? [Referring to the score Denver lost by on Sunday.]"

I agree with Terrell Suggs; Last game when I saw Tebow's lips visibly moving in prayer I wanted them to lose. To me praying to win a game is sacrilegious. Pray for a cure for cancer or the paralyzed to walk etc. but don't waste prayers on a GAME.

Do we know that he was praying to win the game? I would doubt it, to be honest but perhaps you have a link to something that I haven't heard about.

From the video they had of him mic'd in the Chicago game, the captured him doing that whole thing... and I believe it starts "God give me the strength...".There was a phrase uttered on the radio here in Denver that I think is most appropriate at this juncture; "stop praying and start playing".

Edit I'd link it but work doesn't like YouTube.

 

[Two Deep]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Terrell-Suggs-goes-out-of-his-way-to-bash-Tim-Te?urn=nfl-wp15161

The linebacker took a mostly unprovoked shot at Tim Tebow during a Tuesday appearance on ESPN's "First Take."

"With all due respect we don't need God on our sidelines," Suggs said. "Once again God had to save Tim Tebow and the Denver Broncos. He couldn't even give them two drives? Seven to three? [Referring to the score Denver lost by on Sunday.]"

I agree with Terrell Suggs; Last game when I saw Tebow's lips visibly moving in prayer I wanted them to lose. To me praying to win a game is sacrilegious. Pray for a cure for cancer or the paralyzed to walk etc. but don't waste prayers on a GAME.

Do we know that he was praying to win the game? I would doubt it, to be honest but perhaps you have a link to something that I haven't heard about.

Well it was right at the end just before he went in for his last series. Your probably right he was probably praying for world peace. But if he was he should get his head out of his ### and concentarte on football, no wonder he sucks.

 

[MDSkinner]

Well it was right at the end just before he went in for his last series. Your probably right he was probably praying for world peace. But if he was he should get his head out of his ### and concentarte on football, no wonder he sucks.

I get that you hate all things Tebow, and I am comfortable with that. But him praying for a win does not seem to fit his character at all. Nor does him praying for world peace at that moment (which I was not remotely indicating). As to him praying instead of looking through pictures of the game, etc.. being part of the reason that he is not playing well, that is the side of your argument that seems to have some unbiased validity. Suggs comments are silly (and I am a Suggs fan by the way) and really hold no value. You agreeing with his pretty silly comments does not make your argument better, IMO.