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Obviously the slow delivery was the most talked about thing, but that doesn't mean there weren't crazy folks on here who were saying things like he had a weak arm (which actually came up a lot) and that "he's never thrown NFL style routes". It sounds completely ridiculous now, but there were plenty of people saying it over the last few months.
That wasn't for a touchdown. I'm young enough I didn't watch the game and I know this.
Lots of people questioned his arm strength. Or, more accurately, they questioned the efficiency of his kinetic chain and therefore the velocity with which he could throw the ball- I don't think anyone questioned whether Tebow had massive weight room strength, they were just questioning his ability to translate it to the field.
that's equally overrated...How'd Bernie Kosar do with his 'unorthodox' delivery?it's not quite as bad as Kerry Collins' broadcast throwing motion, and Collins has been a decent QB for the majority of his career..nothing great, but a decent , starting QB for a number of years..
Tebow makes Kosar's delivery look like Marino's.
When are people going to finally understand this rule?The limitation is on GAME DAY ACTIVE PLAYERS...not QB's. An EXCEPTION is that a third QB may be dressed (and NOT COUNT) with the limitation of not being used..yada yada.He has to be the #2 - per the #3 rules he can't come into the game for the Wildcat/Wildhorse stuff most are expecting him to be involved in.question for you Denver fansTebow better live up to the hype because if we have to replace Orton(and we will) during the season here in Denver - Quinn will not be doing it after this performance.It is nice to see that Quinn is in mid-season form.
will Tebow be the #3 or #2 once the season starts
if he is the #3 he will be the ER QB
He has looked pretty darn good since. I'm starting to think that he may be an NFL QB someday after all.
He throws it like it is still a baseball. Until that goes away, 1st string corners will pick him off like its going out of style. He is nothing more then a gimmick, and will be a 2/3 string QB for the duration of his career.
I'm not buying it. Smart QB who has looked much better than most expected ina an offensive system where he can sit and learn from one of the better QB minds in the NFL...I'm thinking a lot of people are being a bit premature in completely writing him off.He throws it like it is still a baseball. Until that goes away, 1st string corners will pick him off like its going out of style. He is nothing more then a gimmick, and will be a 2/3 string QB for the duration of his career.
I'm just going to have to respectfully disagree. As much as he wants to work on his throwing motion, in the game he reverts to what he knows. Refining a good throwing motion is one thing, completely changing how you have played football since you were little will take years. Not to mention any other issues he may have such as speed of play, footwork, and learning new systems that come along. If I'm wrong, by all means send me a message or call me out and I'll be happy to eat crow. Like the scouting report says, the guy has more issues to overcome then any successful QB in the NFL has ever had to.I'm not buying it. Smart QB who has looked much better than most expected ina an offensive system where he can sit and learn from one of the better QB minds in the NFL...I'm thinking a lot of people are being a bit premature in completely writing him off.
As a Bronco fan I HATED the pick, but he has looked surprisingly good. Have you watched much of his play? The throwing motion is pretty similar to the one we saw in Florida, but even so, he has been everything the Broncos could have hoped for this year. I'm not saying that he's going to be a super star QB somewhere down the line, but from what I've seen he is MUCH more Aaron Rodgers than he is Ryan Leaf.I'm just going to have to respectfully disagree. As much as he wants to work on his throwing motion, in the game he reverts to what he knows. Refining a good throwing motion is one thing, completely changing how you have played football since you were little will take years. Not to mention any other issues he may have such as speed of play, footwork, and learning new systems that come along. If I'm wrong, by all means send me a message or call me out and I'll be happy to eat crow. Like the scouting report says, the guy has more issues to overcome then any successful QB in the NFL has ever had to.I'm not buying it. Smart QB who has looked much better than most expected ina an offensive system where he can sit and learn from one of the better QB minds in the NFL...I'm thinking a lot of people are being a bit premature in completely writing him off.He throws it like it is still a baseball. Until that goes away, 1st string corners will pick him off like its going out of style. He is nothing more then a gimmick, and will be a 2/3 string QB for the duration of his career.
Not a Broncos or a McDaniels fan, but I am starting to think Tebow has a chance. He has looked better than the naysayers here led me to believe he would look.
That's because the majority of the naysayers have never actually watched him play. Just like with Percy Harvin.
And I have to say he is incredibly entertaining to watch - in a good, non-Jamarcus Russell sort of way. The way he rears back, cocks the arm, and slings it with what looks to be every ounce of power he has .. it is like he is hurling a javelin. And unlike Leftwich, who I can't stand, Tebow actually puts some arc into the trajectory. So it is not frustrating.Anyway, I can see why the guy is a fan favorite.
I'm sure you'll be glad that you've got that prediction on record so that a year or two from now, if it comes true, you can bump this thread and point out how you were way ahead of the curve, predicting it way back when only 90% of football fans were saying the same thing.
That's true, but he's certainly shown that anyone questioning his physical measurables and throwing ability was borderline trolling. There have been people on here talking about the guy like he was basically Ronnie Brown running the wildcat his whole college career. Spouting off nonsense like "he's never thrown NFL routes", and "all he can do is throw screen passes". People talking like any attempt to throw the ball downfield would just be a wobbly duck, and worse of all people actually (somehow) thought he had weak arm strength.In the preseason he's thrown every NFL route, and done it much better than any of the haters would ever have imagined. Corners, posts, streaks, ins, outs, hitches, fades, etc, all with a nice tight spiral, good zip, good touch when needed, and great accuracy. The arm strength trolls were put to rest in his first game when he threw that ball on a frozen rope, while scrambling to his weak side, 40 yards downfield into a tight window.Obviously, none of this means squat if he can't make the reads, which has always been my biggest questionmark with Tebow. But from watching him so far he actually throws a pretty ball, which was somewhat surprising even to me.
I haven't really seen it affect anything. The two INTs were poor reads, and he hasn't been missing the throwing windows like people suggested, though it wasn't first string defenders trying to close those windows. I also don't believe he's had the ball stripped while cocking it back to throw yet, though I'm sure that will happen.The one thing that the haters have harped on that has shown up as a concern in the preseason though is taking snaps from under center. He's bobbled several snaps and fumbled another, though this seems like an easy fix with time.
most teams would be in big trouble w/o their starting QB.Guys - Tebow is a rookie. He's now played in what...4 full quarters of pro-football? Very few rookies come in and light it up day one.
You nailed it. I was trying to come of with a description of his throwing motion and that's it. I was thinking something like a trebuchet but thought that too abstract.I like the kid and I think he certainly has a chance to be a good NFL QB. But that wind-up is brutal. I think safeties that have the luxury of sitting back and playing centerfield against him are going to have a relatively easy time breaking up his passes. His wind-up is so slow, he's already commited to his throw while they have plenty of time to read and react. Ironically, a DB who cheats and peeks back at Tebow may actually defend him better than one who plays textbook technique. There was that nice, deep sideline pass last night where it looked like it took forever for the ball to come out of his hand once he started his throw.It's not a crippling handicap, but it's the kind of thing that can make the difference in a couple of plays each game...and you hope it isn't in that one critical play that decides the game.But I love what he brings to the table outside of that and it's possible that the net result still ends up being pretty good.mdlane said:
Naw. I think we've all had enough of that attitude from his critics.Courtjester said:
Aaron Rodgers would have probably sucked if he started his 1st year same as Tebow.Give Tebow a couple of years(assuming Orton starts 10 and 11) to work on his release and footwork, and focus on reading NFL defenses in the film room and he should have a very good chance to be a solid starter. He was drafted like 25th not 1st. He's not expected to be good/great right away.
By the same token, he's had1) Manny, Moe and Jack blocking for him2) 3rd/4th string RBs3) to throw to guys named Willis, Arnett and Davis who probably aren't going to make the teamDrawing any positive or negative conclusions about Tebow's career based on his backup roles in pre-season games of his first season is just plain goofy.fsufan said:
Raider Nation raises a good point. He did nothing in his very first career game, so clearly he's an irredeemable bust. No player has ever been invisible in their very first game and then gone on to have a decent NFL career. Ever.He looked fantastic yesterday. Well worth a 1st round pick.I don't know what was more impressive; his first carry for 1 yard, or his second carry for 1 yard.
Unlikely as the 3rd QB....
Orton has not only doused them, he flooded the fire with his piss of excellence. The only way for Tebow to become a starter is for Orton to be traded away or die. Then the broncos will suck really bad.
my understanding is that the game plan for Ind was more suited to Quinn. They will rotate QB2 based on who they feel could execute the game plan better for individual opponents. Tebow being inactive last week doesn't really mean anything at this point.
You can be the 3rd QB and still play in the Wildcat formations.
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