Tim Tebow - 8.17.21 Waived By Jacksonville (1 Viewer)

[squistion]

Anytime I see a thread where someone contends that the Christian viewpoint is persecuted unfairly, I have to step back out. That's like me saying it's tough getting a fair shake as a white adult male in this society.

Jason, you must not spend a lot of time in the FFA forum, because that meme is raised all the time there - that Christians are discriminated against and are among the oppressed in this country (and, no, it doesn't make any sense to me either).

 

[moleculo]

Anytime I see a thread where someone contends that the Christian viewpoint is persecuted unfairly, I have to step back out. That's like me saying it's tough getting a fair shake as a white adult male in this society.

huh? Where is this contention made?

 

[Chaka]

He was raised by Baptist preachers. He was born while his parents were on a mission to the Philippines.

Oh well I guess there's not gonna be a President Tebow.

 

[Chaka]

Please stop with the persecution complex. Whatever you perceive is happening equally on all sides. Human nature just registers more when it's anti-whatever you support.

 

[Chaka]

And let's not pretend that Timmy is not in lock step with FotF. The guy is turning down endorsement opportunities left and right to keep the focus off of him and on the team. Love him or hate him he isn't about the money.

 

[thatguy]

Tebow played well today, but Brady was better. No shame in that.The big difference was three fumbles; yes, one of them was Tebow, but two others were not. No Ints. He passed well. He ran well. The D just got shell shocked in the second Q after those turn overs. Denver is still the best team in the AFC West and will be a dangerous team to face in the playoffs.

There were 2 huge penalties that hurt Denver also. Both of them gave New England a 1st down when it was 3rd and long and they threw an incompletion. The second really hurt because New England was backed up on the 1 yard line and it was like 3rd and 20 and the DE got illegal hands to the face and gave New England 1st.Take away the 3 turnovers and the 2 huge penalties, and it's a different game. But that's why the Pats are the Pats and the Broncos are the Broncos. Veteran teams don't make those mistakes.

Very

 

[moleculo]

Please stop with the persecution complex. Whatever you perceive is happening equally on all sides. Human nature just registers more when it's anti-whatever you support.

I swear, some of you guys see only what you want to see.

 

[Dizzy]

When you attempt to insult someone's intelligence, it helps if you spell it correctly.And you didn't answer the question. I don't doubt that you find religious zealots annoying. I do, too. But you were asked whether "you have as much a problem with the rapists, repeat drug users, steriod abusers, and other various criminals playing in the league," and you didn't address that at all. Tebow seems like a genuinely good guy. Seems strange to be calling for Tebow to be stoned because He's an outspoken Christian, when the league is likely filled with people much worse than Tebow.

Sorry, I didn't realize I was on trial here… to answer your questions sir;All that crap about rapists, murderers, blah-blah-blah… those are moleculeo's words, not mine. He not only raised the completely unrelated question, but then went on to answer it on my behalf and twisted words that weren't mine to make his own pointless point.The fact is, and hold on to your hat here, there are THOUSANDS of religious zealots that were (are) ALSO; rapists, murderers, drug addicts, etc. In fact, of the dominant religion of the state that I currently live in (for one example)… their founding profits were accused con-artists, rapists, and pedophiles… and yet there are statues of these guys all over town, schools/buildings named after them, etc. And for this vast holier-than-though state we somehow STILL house more meth lab's than any other. And they are far from having a monopoly on this type of behavior. I seem to recall something about Catholic priests…So you and Molecule can go form your own stories and fantasize about what you think I am trying to incite, but just a word of caution (since you both seem to be so incredibly naïve) common criminals can be found in every layer of society… it's not just relegated to those "other" athletes that aren't as righteous as Tim Tebow.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

Ok, so I had a great ride boys. I picked up this bandwagon from the first comeback at Miami, It was a lot of fun and it has been truly a miraculous run. Unfortunately, I think this is about the time for me to jump off. Nothing personal, I will still root for him come playoff time, but the shine has worn off to me. It was fun while it lasted, but this whole thing has just gotten so overplayed that im disinterested. Its literally everywhere I go and people are still saying the same things they were 8 weeks ago. It was the most fun I've had rooting for something in a while and it gave me more laughs that most stand up comedy, Regardless, I'm out folks.

I'll never forget:

7-2!

so many comebacks!

Tebow's improvement throughout the weeks

The shocked look on opposing coaches faces after a loss

Skip Bayliss, Stephen A. Smith, Chris Carter and Merril Hodge

horrible passes

Miracle endings

Horrible teams

opposing teams fumbling and blowing games

Favre co.

Shnikies

Raider Nation

Matt Prater 59 yard FGs

Overtime!

Willis Mcgahee

Von Miller

Eric Decker,Demaryius Thomas, Matt Willis , Eddie Royal and the whole rag tag bunch of WRs that were sent out every week

...I dont think theres enough Emoticons to describe my wide range of emotions, but heres a few(as many as FBG allows LOL)

:X

Sincere apologies to Tim Tebow and CO.

once again, Its been real boys....its been real.

 

[thatguy]

When you attempt to insult someone's intelligence, it helps if you spell it correctly.And you didn't answer the question. I don't doubt that you find religious zealots annoying. I do, too. But you were asked whether "you have as much a problem with the rapists, repeat drug users, steriod abusers, and other various criminals playing in the league," and you didn't address that at all. Tebow seems like a genuinely good guy. Seems strange to be calling for Tebow to be stoned because He's an outspoken Christian, when the league is likely filled with people much worse than Tebow.

Sorry, I didn't realize I was on trial here… to answer your questions sir;All that crap about rapists, murderers, blah-blah-blah… those are moleculeo's words, not mine. He not only raised the completely unrelated question, but then went on to answer it on my behalf and twisted words that weren't mine to make his own pointless point.The fact is, and hold on to your hat here, there are THOUSANDS of religious zealots that were (are) ALSO; rapists, murderers, drug addicts, etc. In fact, of the dominant religion of the state that I currently live in (for one example)… their founding profits were accused con-artists, rapists, and pedophiles… and yet there are statues of these guys all over town, schools/buildings named after them, etc. And for this vast holier-than-though state we somehow STILL house more meth lab's than any other. And they are far from having a monopoly on this type of behavior. I seem to recall something about Catholic priests…So you and Molecule can go form your own stories and fantasize about what you think I am trying to incite, but just a word of caution (since you both seem to be so incredibly naïve) common criminals can be found in every layer of society… it's not just relegated to those "other" athletes that aren't as righteous as Tim Tebow.

He wasn't asking for a general comparison across society as a whole. He was asking, specifically, if you have a bigger problem with Tebow than you do with the drug users/dealers, rapists, murderers etc. currently playing in the NFL. Again, you continue to evade the question, or perhaps you're too dense to actually understand it.

 

[Dizzy]

He wasn't asking for a general comparison across society as a whole. He was asking, specifically, if you have a bigger problem with Tebow than you do with the drug users/dealers, rapists, murderers etc. currently playing in the NFL. Again, you continue to evade the question, or perhaps you're too dense to actually understand it.

I get it thatguy, and I don't see a question here as I'm SURE those "criminals" that moleculo describes also thank their lord and savior Jesus Christ on a regular basis. It all bothers me... but I don't see the "this or that" separation that others do.

 

[zDragon]

I don't get the Tebow hate. He's the most interesting thing in sports, period, and I don't see how anyone doesn't love watching him. He is gutsy, smart, doesn't make mistakes, and is pulling out one ridiculous comeback win after another. He is loved by the locker room, is a leader, and also is known as one of the hardest workers out there -- he's a workout warrior and a film nut. He's got a great attitude, and no matter how many times the media tries to make it all about him, he is constantly saying "my team makes me look a lot better than I am," "it's not Tebow Time, it's Broncos time," etc., and when whiny woman veterans on the other teams (e.g., Urlacher) bash him after losing to him, his response is always something along the lines of "good for them, they made a lot of good plays and deserve to be excited, I have no problem with that." What the hell is not to love? Yeah he's over the top with the religion stuff, but that is what it is -- it has nothing to do with him as a player. You hear the guy talk and he sounds soft but then he goes out there and seeks out defenders to run over.

The guys who seem to dislike him are the purist football nerds who claim he has no QB skills. While he may not have what they traditionally think of QB skills, he looks like he's playing his position damn well to me..

I think the people who dislike him are people who don't know football at all or hold a grudge against his faith.

 

[Chaka]

I don't think anyone is putting rapists and drug abusers over devout players even if Dizzy is unbelievably incompetent at making that point. Does knocking Tebow for his religious zeal really necessitate a qualifier that rapists and drug abusers are worse?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

As an atheist, I hate Tebow for shoving his religion in my face like to think that I understand as well as anybody how lame it is to hate on someone for having the wrong level of religiosity.

 

[moleculo]

I don't think anyone is putting rapists and drug abusers over devout players even if Dizzy is unbelievably incompetent at making that point. Does knocking Tebow for his religious zeal really necessitate a qualifier that rapists and drug abusers are worse?

Of course not. I simply find it fascinating. All the gopd that Tebow does, all the good that he is, stems from his faith. The fact that some hate him for it, and go out of their way to dislike the guy is troubling to me. The man has never said the wrong thing. He's never had a response that wasn't modest. He's a model citizen, and people hate him for it.

 

[Chaka]

I don't think anyone is putting rapists and drug abusers over devout players even if Dizzy is unbelievably incompetent at making that point. Does knocking Tebow for his religious zeal really necessitate a qualifier that rapists and drug abusers are worse?

Of course not. I simply find it fascinating. All the gopd that Tebow does, all the good that he is, stems from his faith. The fact that some hate him for it, and go out of their way to dislike the guy is troubling to me. The man has never said the wrong thing. He's never had a response that wasn't modest. He's a model citizen, and people hate him for it.

I think there are multiple reasons that people can take exception with Tebow's overt demonstration of faith. His relationship with FotF is a big one, some of the statements that he apparently (I haven't verified this) makes about the path to take to avoid hell in public speaking engagements and the simple fact that people don't necessarily want religious screed foisted upon them when all they are looking for are comments relevant to the game. I also think that for some it even makes them feel bad (jealous perhaps) that they can't live a life with such honest devotion to any one thing, let alone whatever deity they embrace or have abandoned.I found your arguments to be pretty inflammatory and distracting from the conversation (as well as being a poor straw man). Personally I agree that TT seems to border on fanaticism with is belief but he seems sincere and honest and demonstrates his faith through actions as well as words. So unless I hear about him blowing up an abortion clinic (or supplying financing to any organization that would) or something equally horrific, I think people should just let him do his thing and enjoy watching him play football.

 

[Dizzy]

I don't think anyone is putting rapists and drug abusers over devout players even if Dizzy is unbelievably incompetent at making that point. Does knocking Tebow for his religious zeal really necessitate a qualifier that rapists and drug abusers are worse?

Of course not. I simply find it fascinating. All the gopd that Tebow does, all the good that he is, stems from his faith. The fact that some hate him for it, and go out of their way to dislike the guy is troubling to me. The man has never said the wrong thing. He's never had a response that wasn't modest. He's a model citizen, and people hate him for it.

But moleculo, do you really believe that all of the Tebowmania is tied directly to a string of nail-biting victories over a couple of mid/lower pack NFL teams? Seriously, the Bronco's (under Tebow) played a total of two play-off contenders and got destroyed by both of them.Take a step back now... has he REALLY done anything over the past eight or so games to garnish all of this praise and press that he gets? Or do you think just maybe it's because he's this religious lightning rod? Did Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco get this kind of coverage when they were arguably doing MORE as rookies? No.

 

[FavreCo]

Colin Cowherd is laying it out exactly how it is right now. Pretty much stating my case for me.

Just threw up a chart of Tebow vs a player with better stats over the last 4 games. John Skelton.

 

[jon_mx]

Colin Cowherd is laying it out exactly how it is right now. Pretty much stating my case for me.Just threw up a chart of Tebow vs a player with better stats over the last 4 games. John Skelton.

Over the last game, Tebow has better stats than Rogers. Anyone can cherry pick. Besides, unlike Skelton, Tebow did not throw 10 INT's over that time. Nor did Skelton rush for 222 yards. Tebow had a much better QB rating. I will take Tebow's performance any day over what Skelton did.

 

[zDragon]

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

Just keep telling yourself that. Deep breaths now... go hug it out.

Ok smart guy. Tell all of us why you hate Tebow? Spit it out.

I believe that ALL religious zealots should be mocked, shunned, stoned, whatever.Religion should be a personal choice and has no place being promoted by ill-advised sheep like Tebow.I've said it before, and I guess I'll have to keep saying it… if he just shuts his mouth about Jesus Christ and sticks to football, all of the "haters" that "worshipers" like yourself see will all go away (just like Tebowmania).

I'm not a religious guy. But Tebow thanks jesus after a game for 2 or 3 seconds and he prays on the sideline. Does that really offend you so badly? Does it really make him a zealot? Sports radio/espn and the like make a big deal of Tebow's religion but they're just trying to make money. That's not something you can blame on Tebow.

Have to agree here. Ecspecially since he is saying "my" not "ours" or "mine and should be yours". Although I am sure he would recommend him to anyone that will listen. But the truth is it is some of the most unintrusive evangalizing ever.

He was raised by Baptist preachers. He was born while his parents were on a mission to the Philippines. He has done plenty of missionary work himself, including building a childrens hospital. Evangalizing is part of who he is, it's what he does. I'm sure he would consider his faith to be the single, most important element of his life, and a big part of that life (and the family business, for that matter), is talking about his faith.IMO, if it bothers folks that much that a man wants to talk about what he believes in, I think that reflects more on those being offended more than the one doing that talking, and not in a good way.

 

[moleculo]

I don't think anyone is putting rapists and drug abusers over devout players even if Dizzy is unbelievably incompetent at making that point. Does knocking Tebow for his religious zeal really necessitate a qualifier that rapists and drug abusers are worse?

Of course not. I simply find it fascinating. All the gopd that Tebow does, all the good that he is, stems from his faith. The fact that some hate him for it, and go out of their way to dislike the guy is troubling to me. The man has never said the wrong thing. He's never had a response that wasn't modest. He's a model citizen, and people hate him for it.

But moleculo, do you really believe that all of the Tebowmania is tied directly to a string of nail-biting victories over a couple of mid/lower pack NFL teams? Seriously, the Bronco's (under Tebow) played a total of two play-off contenders and got destroyed by both of them.Take a step back now... has he REALLY done anything over the past eight or so games to garnish all of this praise and press that he gets? Or do you think just maybe it's because he's this religious lightning rod? Did Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco get this kind of coverage when they were arguably doing MORE as rookies? No.

I'm not going to judge other people's motivation. I can say that my Tebow fandom comes from what he has done on the field w/ Denver. consider that this team was 4-14 with Orton, and 8-3 with Tebow. Orton is not a bad QB - he is the very definition of average. In October, I was down with the suck for Luck plan, now I am making playoff plans. and let's be honest - he didn't only play two playoff contenders, he has played 6 and beaten 4. How would the playoff landscape look if NYJets, oakland, KC (Cassel was still healthy when Den beat KC), or SD each have an additional win? Beyond the team success, I've been absolutely amazed with some of Tebow's runs. He brings an excitement to the game that we haven't seen in quite a while. That first TD run yesterday was absolutely amazing...I don't how you can't watch that play and not stand up and cheer.It's not all his first-order contributions either. It's pretty well documented in this thread that even defensive players said that Tebow inspires them...he brings out more in other players than others can. I think it's a pretty special trait that isn't seen very often, not at his level, anyways. I'm talking about a once per generation type of leadership abilities.When Flacco took over, the Ravens had a long history of having a good defense, they only needed a QB. heck, they won a SB with Trent Dilfer, for crying out loud. Same with Ryan. That falcon team wasn't as bad as their record let on they were screwed big-time by the Vick thing. Ryan stepped into a good situation, although not as good as Flaccos. The bronco D, by the way, was historically bad last year. only 5 teams in the history of the NFL allowed more points and yards. Of course, Von and Dumervil had something to do with the re-surgence, but the point i'm trying to make is that this team is not very good still, and the fact that they are 8-6 is pretty incredible.take that dramatic team turn around, couple it with the insanely high drama in the way games have ended, factor in how much all of the pundits have been harping on Tebow's mechanics for the last couple of years, and there should be no surprise how much furor there has been.I do acknowledge that there are folks who are fans of Tebow for other reasons...what he did at UF, for one, and his religous convictions, for another. I know some of each personally. i don't have a problem with that though, and frankly i don't understand why some people do.

 

[SharkBait]

Here's where he lost me -- as soon as the Broncos made the ill advised move of trading up to take him in the first round... " [stuartVoice] I'd like to think all of my critics for inspiring me to work harder. [/stuartVoice] " In other words, "Ha! I got drafted in the first round. Screw you!". His lameassed goody two shoes response was simply passive aggressive crap and anyone that thinks he genuinely needed his critics to make him work hard is just another idiot in this guy's cult.

Once you figure out his schtick, it's all about jersey sales and endorsements after that. And wow, how the cult refuses to acknowledge the defense or Prater booming 60 yard kicks. What a joke this is, and the NFL, the Broncos, and Tim Tebow are laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[Max Power]

Colin Cowherd is laying it out exactly how it is right now. Pretty much stating my case for me.Just threw up a chart of Tebow vs a player with better stats over the last 4 games. John Skelton.

Over the last game, Tebow has better stats than Rogers. Anyone can cherry pick. Besides, unlike Skelton, Tebow did not throw 10 INT's over that time. Nor did Skelton rush for 222 yards. Tebow had a much better QB rating. I will take Tebow's performance any day over what Skelton did.

I just thought we were talking Wins and losses here.

 

[Chaka]

Here's where he lost me -- as soon as the Broncos made the ill advised move of trading up to take him in the first round... " [stuartVoice] I'd like to think all of my critics for inspiring me to work harder. [/stuartVoice] " In other words, "Ha! I got drafted in the first round. Screw you!". His lameassed goody two shoes response was simply passive aggressive crap and anyone that thinks he genuinely needed his critics to make him work hard is just another idiot in this guy's cult.Once you figure out his schtick, it's all about jersey sales and endorsements after that. And wow, how the cult refuses to acknowledge the defense or Prater booming 60 yard kicks. What a joke this is, and the NFL, the Broncos, and Tim Tebow are laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[moleculo]

I think there are multiple reasons that people can take exception with Tebow's overt demonstration of faith. His relationship with FotF is a big one, some of the statements that he apparently (I haven't verified this) makes about the path to take to avoid hell in public speaking engagements and the simple fact that people don't necessarily want religious screed foisted upon them when all they are looking for are comments relevant to the game. I also think that for some it even makes them feel bad (jealous perhaps) that they can't live a life with such honest devotion to any one thing, let alone whatever deity they embrace or have abandoned.I found your arguments to be pretty inflammatory and distracting from the conversation (as well as being a poor straw man). Personally I agree that TT seems to border on fanaticism with is belief but he seems sincere and honest and demonstrates his faith through actions as well as words. So unless I hear about him blowing up an abortion clinic (or supplying financing to any organization that would) or something equally horrific, I think people should just let him do his thing and enjoy watching him play football.

you know, i may be one of the biggest Bronco fans on these boards. i've only seen Tebow speak on TV a handful of times. A post-game interview here, another interview there, the mic'ed up FX bit on NFL network, etc. Yes, he thanks his Lord and Savior pretty consistently, but lots of folks do, and it's not like he fits in a whole sermon. I'd pose that if hearing about his religion bothers you that much, it reeally isn't that hard to tune it out. as far as my inflamatory statements and strawman, yeah, maybe it was over the top. however, maybe not. dizzy said above that he doesn't think that there is a distinct line between the overly religious and some of the more nefarious characters in the league. You don't think that's interesting?

 

[Chaka]

Colin Cowherd is laying it out exactly how it is right now. Pretty much stating my case for me.Just threw up a chart of Tebow vs a player with better stats over the last 4 games. John Skelton.

Over the last game, Tebow has better stats than Rogers. Anyone can cherry pick. Besides, unlike Skelton, Tebow did not throw 10 INT's over that time. Nor did Skelton rush for 222 yards. Tebow had a much better QB rating. I will take Tebow's performance any day over what Skelton did.

I just thought we were talking Wins and losses here.

8-4 > 7-4But can't they both be playing well?

 

[Chaka]

I think there are multiple reasons that people can take exception with Tebow's overt demonstration of faith. His relationship with FotF is a big one, some of the statements that he apparently (I haven't verified this) makes about the path to take to avoid hell in public speaking engagements and the simple fact that people don't necessarily want religious screed foisted upon them when all they are looking for are comments relevant to the game. I also think that for some it even makes them feel bad (jealous perhaps) that they can't live a life with such honest devotion to any one thing, let alone whatever deity they embrace or have abandoned.I found your arguments to be pretty inflammatory and distracting from the conversation (as well as being a poor straw man). Personally I agree that TT seems to border on fanaticism with is belief but he seems sincere and honest and demonstrates his faith through actions as well as words. So unless I hear about him blowing up an abortion clinic (or supplying financing to any organization that would) or something equally horrific, I think people should just let him do his thing and enjoy watching him play football.

you know, i may be one of the biggest Bronco fans on these boards. i've only seen Tebow speak on TV a handful of times. A post-game interview here, another interview there, the mic'ed up FX bit on NFL network, etc. Yes, he thanks his Lord and Savior pretty consistently, but lots of folks do, and it's not like he fits in a whole sermon. I'd pose that if hearing about his religion bothers you that much, it reeally isn't that hard to tune it out. as far as my inflamatory statements and strawman, yeah, maybe it was over the top. however, maybe not. dizzy said above that he doesn't think that there is a distinct line between the overly religious and some of the more nefarious characters in the league. You don't think that's interesting?

I think Dizzy is misguided and/or does not articulate his thoughts very well.

 

[SharkBait]

Here's where he lost me -- as soon as the Broncos made the ill advised move of trading up to take him in the first round... " [stuartVoice] I'd like to think all of my critics for inspiring me to work harder. [/stuartVoice] " In other words, "Ha! I got drafted in the first round. Screw you!". His lameassed goody two shoes response was simply passive aggressive crap and anyone that thinks he genuinely needed his critics to make him work hard is just another idiot in this guy's cult.Once you figure out his schtick, it's all about jersey sales and endorsements after that. And wow, how the cult refuses to acknowledge the defense or Prater booming 60 yard kicks. What a joke this is, and the NFL, the Broncos, and Tim Tebow are laughing all the way to the bank.

Not at all. I grew up in a large congregation and went to a Christian school (both Church of Christ) and I gotta tell you the "Look at me!!!" Christians really put religion in a bad light. Last week Adrian Peterson made the comment, "And God willing I'll be healthy enough to play". I thought, "cool". Tebows schtick -- all I think is "Man, I hope this chump gets his butt kicked". He has really lucked into the ideal team because he simply can not quarterback in the NFL with his current skill set.

 

[Chaka]

Here's where he lost me -- as soon as the Broncos made the ill advised move of trading up to take him in the first round... " [stuartVoice] I'd like to think all of my critics for inspiring me to work harder. [/stuartVoice] " In other words, "Ha! I got drafted in the first round. Screw you!". His lameassed goody two shoes response was simply passive aggressive crap and anyone that thinks he genuinely needed his critics to make him work hard is just another idiot in this guy's cult.Once you figure out his schtick, it's all about jersey sales and endorsements after that. And wow, how the cult refuses to acknowledge the defense or Prater booming 60 yard kicks. What a joke this is, and the NFL, the Broncos, and Tim Tebow are laughing all the way to the bank.

Not at all. I grew up in a large congregation and went to a Christian school (both Church of Christ) and I gotta tell you the "Look at me!!!" Christians really put religion in a bad light. Last week Adrian Peterson made the comment, "And God willing I'll be healthy enough to play". I thought, "cool". Tebows schtick -- all I think is "Man, I hope this chump gets his butt kicked". He has really lucked into the ideal team because he simply can not quarterback in the NFL with his current skill set.

The fact that you think Tebow is doing this for endorsements is funny and quite simply not true based on the fact that he is avoiding promotion right now (when his popularity is peaking) to try and keep the focus on the team instead of himself.You have you reasons for disliking him but the idea that he is making a money grab should not be one of them.

 

[SharkBait]

Here's where he lost me -- as soon as the Broncos made the ill advised move of trading up to take him in the first round... " [stuartVoice] I'd like to think all of my critics for inspiring me to work harder. [/stuartVoice] " In other words, "Ha! I got drafted in the first round. Screw you!". His lameassed goody two shoes response was simply passive aggressive crap and anyone that thinks he genuinely needed his critics to make him work hard is just another idiot in this guy's cult.Once you figure out his schtick, it's all about jersey sales and endorsements after that. And wow, how the cult refuses to acknowledge the defense or Prater booming 60 yard kicks. What a joke this is, and the NFL, the Broncos, and Tim Tebow are laughing all the way to the bank.

Not at all. I grew up in a large congregation and went to a Christian school (both Church of Christ) and I gotta tell you the "Look at me!!!" Christians really put religion in a bad light. Last week Adrian Peterson made the comment, "And God willing I'll be healthy enough to play". I thought, "cool". Tebows schtick -- all I think is "Man, I hope this chump gets his butt kicked". He has really lucked into the ideal team because he simply can not quarterback in the NFL with his current skill set.

The fact that you think Tebow is doing this for endorsements is funny and quite simply not true based on the fact that he is avoiding promotion right now (when his popularity is peaking) to try and keep the focus on the team instead of himself.You have you reasons for disliking him but the idea that he is making a money grab should not be one of them.

All in time, all in time.

 

[Chaka]

Here's where he lost me -- as soon as the Broncos made the ill advised move of trading up to take him in the first round... " [stuartVoice] I'd like to think all of my critics for inspiring me to work harder. [/stuartVoice] " In other words, "Ha! I got drafted in the first round. Screw you!". His lameassed goody two shoes response was simply passive aggressive crap and anyone that thinks he genuinely needed his critics to make him work hard is just another idiot in this guy's cult.Once you figure out his schtick, it's all about jersey sales and endorsements after that. And wow, how the cult refuses to acknowledge the defense or Prater booming 60 yard kicks. What a joke this is, and the NFL, the Broncos, and Tim Tebow are laughing all the way to the bank.

Not at all. I grew up in a large congregation and went to a Christian school (both Church of Christ) and I gotta tell you the "Look at me!!!" Christians really put religion in a bad light. Last week Adrian Peterson made the comment, "And God willing I'll be healthy enough to play". I thought, "cool". Tebows schtick -- all I think is "Man, I hope this chump gets his butt kicked". He has really lucked into the ideal team because he simply can not quarterback in the NFL with his current skill set.

The fact that you think Tebow is doing this for endorsements is funny and quite simply not true based on the fact that he is avoiding promotion right now (when his popularity is peaking) to try and keep the focus on the team instead of himself.You have you reasons for disliking him but the idea that he is making a money grab should not be one of them.

All in time, all in time.

Of course. I am not suggesting he will never cash in but one simple principle of marketing is to strike while the iron is hot. I don't think it gets much hotter than now and I haven't heard about him being on Leno or any other of the many engines of self promotion available to him.You're off base with that belief.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I think there are multiple reasons that people can take exception with Tebow's overt demonstration of faith. His relationship with FotF is a big one, some of the statements that he apparently (I haven't verified this) makes about the path to take to avoid hell in public speaking engagements and the simple fact that people don't necessarily want religious screed foisted upon them when all they are looking for are comments relevant to the game. I also think that for some it even makes them feel bad (jealous perhaps) that they can't live a life with such honest devotion to any one thing, let alone whatever deity they embrace or have abandoned.I found your arguments to be pretty inflammatory and distracting from the conversation (as well as being a poor straw man). Personally I agree that TT seems to border on fanaticism with is belief but he seems sincere and honest and demonstrates his faith through actions as well as words. So unless I hear about him blowing up an abortion clinic (or supplying financing to any organization that would) or something equally horrific, I think people should just let him do his thing and enjoy watching him play football.

you know, i may be one of the biggest Bronco fans on these boards. i've only seen Tebow speak on TV a handful of times. A post-game interview here, another interview there, the mic'ed up FX bit on NFL network, etc. Yes, he thanks his Lord and Savior pretty consistently, but lots of folks do, and it's not like he fits in a whole sermon. I'd pose that if hearing about his religion bothers you that much, it reeally isn't that hard to tune it out. as far as my inflamatory statements and strawman, yeah, maybe it was over the top. however, maybe not. dizzy said above that he doesn't think that there is a distinct line between the overly religious and some of the more nefarious characters in the league. You don't think that's interesting?

I think Dizzy is misguided and/or does not articulate his thoughts very well.

Dizzy seems to be one of those angry blowhard atheists that make the rest of us look bad.

 

[Dizzy]

Dizzy seems to be one of those angry blowhard atheists that make the rest of us look bad.

You give me way too much credit I.E... I think you do a great job of looking bad on your own."atheist" funny word invented by zealots... nice tipping of the hand.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Dizzy seems to be one of those angry blowhard atheists that make the rest of us look bad.

You give me way too much credit I.E... I think you do a great job of looking bad on your own."atheist" funny word invented by zealots... nice tipping of the hand.

wat

 

[Devine Intervention]

I believe that ALL religious zealots should be mocked, shunned, stoned, whatever.

Religion should be a personal choice and has no place being promoted by ill-advised sheep like Tebow.

I've said it before, and I guess I'll have to keep saying it… if he just shuts his mouth about Jesus Christ and sticks to football, all of the "haters" that "worshipers" like yourself see will all go away (just like Tebowmania).

I'm curious if you have as much a problem with the rapists, repeat drug users, steriod abusers, and other various criminals playing in the league .

:crickets:

Would that be crickets cherping between your ears? ANYONE who speaks with absolute authority on religion as if it were based on FACT and not FAITH is a zealot.

Tebow has done that – he's not shy about it (probably quite proud of it) – there is video evidence of Tebow addressing a group of young people WARNING of where they will end up if they do not embrace Jesus Christ into their hearts. That makes him a zealot.

I personally find religious zealots extremely annoying (at the least) if not potentially damaging and dangerous (worst case). If the fact that I perceive Tim Tebow as a zealot bothers others on this board… I am OK with that.

Where to start with this nonsense....If you are a true believer, what you read in the Bible is FACT not FAITH. You do believe that Jesus dying on the cross is a FACT because to Christians is the truth. Your FAITH in God is what makes someone believe it to be fact. Your FAITH in scientist that you never met make you believe that man was on the moon even though you probably know nothing of it other that a picture you saw in a magazine. You chose to believe FACTS based of the FAITH you have in its source.

If Tebow honestly believes in that religion and cares about the future of the others then good for him. If its something people dont believe in or dont want to hear then plug your ears. What do you do to try to better anyone else's life? It is crazy that this guy is being ridiculed for his actions when he does nothing but try to spread a POSITIVE message. He doesnt judge, he doesnt push, he doesnt promote bad or negative actions. With all the scumbags coming out of the NFL who beat their wives or selling drugs, or even who promote themselves and try to get the attention all on them, you would think that Tebow would be a breathe of fresh air. I totally agree that the analyst are the issue and that it is total Tebow overload but Tebow does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to give himself the credit or draw eyes on him.

Another words, stop searching for something stupid to criticize about someone who is doing good for this world. Whether he is Atheist, Jewish, Muslim or any other religion, if you are attempting to do good and positive things is this world then we should be applauding that. Get a life...

 

[rascal]

God bless all of you.

 

[Chaka]

Tim Tebow landed on the moon? Why wasn't I informed about this?

 

[AmosMoses]

Dizzy seems to be one of those angry blowhard atheists that make the rest of us look bad.

You give me way too much credit I.E... I think you do a great job of looking bad on your own."atheist" funny word invented by zealots... nice tipping of the hand.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

[FavreCo]

Colin Cowherd is laying it out exactly how it is right now. Pretty much stating my case for me.Just threw up a chart of Tebow vs a player with better stats over the last 4 games. John Skelton.

Over the last game, Tebow has better stats than Rogers. Anyone can cherry pick. Besides, unlike Skelton, Tebow did not throw 10 INT's over that time. Nor did Skelton rush for 222 yards. Tebow had a much better QB rating. I will take Tebow's performance any day over what Skelton did.

How about my favorite then. Skelton just wins.

 

[FavreCo]

Colin Cowherd is laying it out exactly how it is right now. Pretty much stating my case for me.Just threw up a chart of Tebow vs a player with better stats over the last 4 games. John Skelton.

Over the last game, Tebow has better stats than Rogers. Anyone can cherry pick. Besides, unlike Skelton, Tebow did not throw 10 INT's over that time. Nor did Skelton rush for 222 yards. Tebow had a much better QB rating. I will take Tebow's performance any day over what Skelton did.

I just thought we were talking Wins and losses here.

8-4 > 7-4But can't they both be playing well?

Actually percentage wise Red Skelton is better. He's 5-1 this year as the starter. He just wins.

 

[DoubleG]

Colin Cowherd is laying it out exactly how it is right now. Pretty much stating my case for me.Just threw up a chart of Tebow vs a player with better stats over the last 4 games. John Skelton.

Really? Better stats the last 4 games? You sure you want to go with that?Here are some of Skelton's stats over the last 4 games:TD/INT: 4 TDs to 8 INTsPasser rating last 4 games: 10.5, 30, 106.5, 79.3Now Tebow:TD/INT: 4 TD but only 1 INT (so equal TDs but 7 less INTs)Passer rating 95.4, 149.3, 68.3, 80.5Those number don't even take into account Tebow's 50 rushes for 222 yards (4.44 YPC - which is good...for a good RB) and 2 TDs over that span.Sorry - your (and Cowdung's) assertion that Skelton has been better over the last 4 games is simply not even close to being true by virtually any measurement you want to use. You might want to do some research before blindly agreeing with talking heads (especially the moronic ones).Oh and we can do the same not including the last game and going back a week - but here's a hint: those 10.5 and 30.0 passer ratings for Skelton get included either way (in case this post "chart" was posted prior to this weekends games).

 

[FavreCo]

Colin Cowherd is laying it out exactly how it is right now. Pretty much stating my case for me.Just threw up a chart of Tebow vs a player with better stats over the last 4 games. John Skelton.

Really? Better stats the last 4 games? You sure you want to go with that?Here are some of Skelton's stats over the last 4 games:TD/INT: 4 TDs to 8 INTsPasser rating last 4 games: 10.5, 30, 106.5, 79.3Now Tebow:TD/INT: 4 TD but only 1 INT (so equal TDs but 7 less INTs)Passer rating 95.4, 149.3, 68.3, 80.5Those number don't even take into account Tebow's 50 rushes for 222 yards (4.44 YPC - which is good...for a good RB) and 2 TDs over that span.Sorry - your (and Cowdung's) assertion that Skelton has been better over the last 4 games is simply not even close to being true by virtually any measurement you want to use. You might want to do some research before blindly agreeing with talking heads (especially the moronic ones).Oh and we can do the same not including the last game and going back a week - but here's a hint: those 10.5 and 30.0 passer ratings for Skelton get included either way (in case this post "chart" was posted prior to this weekends games).

Skelton just wins.

 

[DoubleG]

Colin Cowherd is laying it out exactly how it is right now. Pretty much stating my case for me.Just threw up a chart of Tebow vs a player with better stats over the last 4 games. John Skelton.

Really? Better stats the last 4 games? You sure you want to go with that?Here are some of Skelton's stats over the last 4 games:TD/INT: 4 TDs to 8 INTsPasser rating last 4 games: 10.5, 30, 106.5, 79.3Now Tebow:TD/INT: 4 TD but only 1 INT (so equal TDs but 7 less INTs)Passer rating 95.4, 149.3, 68.3, 80.5Those number don't even take into account Tebow's 50 rushes for 222 yards (4.44 YPC - which is good...for a good RB) and 2 TDs over that span.Sorry - your (and Cowdung's) assertion that Skelton has been better over the last 4 games is simply not even close to being true by virtually any measurement you want to use. You might want to do some research before blindly agreeing with talking heads (especially the moronic ones).Oh and we can do the same not including the last game and going back a week - but here's a hint: those 10.5 and 30.0 passer ratings for Skelton get included either way (in case this post "chart" was posted prior to this weekends games).

Skelton just wins.

We are not going to go down the "record of teams they've played"...again. How do you type when your hands must be getting tired from grasping at straws? Keep up the fine work.

 

[FavreCo]

Colin Cowherd is laying it out exactly how it is right now. Pretty much stating my case for me.Just threw up a chart of Tebow vs a player with better stats over the last 4 games. John Skelton.

Really? Better stats the last 4 games? You sure you want to go with that?Here are some of Skelton's stats over the last 4 games:TD/INT: 4 TDs to 8 INTsPasser rating last 4 games: 10.5, 30, 106.5, 79.3Now Tebow:TD/INT: 4 TD but only 1 INT (so equal TDs but 7 less INTs)Passer rating 95.4, 149.3, 68.3, 80.5Those number don't even take into account Tebow's 50 rushes for 222 yards (4.44 YPC - which is good...for a good RB) and 2 TDs over that span.Sorry - your (and Cowdung's) assertion that Skelton has been better over the last 4 games is simply not even close to being true by virtually any measurement you want to use. You might want to do some research before blindly agreeing with talking heads (especially the moronic ones).Oh and we can do the same not including the last game and going back a week - but here's a hint: those 10.5 and 30.0 passer ratings for Skelton get included either way (in case this post "chart" was posted prior to this weekends games).

Skelton just wins.

We are not going to go down the "record of teams they've played"...again. How do you type when your hands must be getting tired from grasping at straws? Keep up the fine work.

So 'he just wins' is only good when the QB is The Tebow. Ok.

 

[DoubleG]

Colin Cowherd is laying it out exactly how it is right now. Pretty much stating my case for me.Just threw up a chart of Tebow vs a player with better stats over the last 4 games. John Skelton.

Really? Better stats the last 4 games? You sure you want to go with that?Here are some of Skelton's stats over the last 4 games:TD/INT: 4 TDs to 8 INTsPasser rating last 4 games: 10.5, 30, 106.5, 79.3Now Tebow:TD/INT: 4 TD but only 1 INT (so equal TDs but 7 less INTs)Passer rating 95.4, 149.3, 68.3, 80.5Those number don't even take into account Tebow's 50 rushes for 222 yards (4.44 YPC - which is good...for a good RB) and 2 TDs over that span.Sorry - your (and Cowdung's) assertion that Skelton has been better over the last 4 games is simply not even close to being true by virtually any measurement you want to use. You might want to do some research before blindly agreeing with talking heads (especially the moronic ones).Oh and we can do the same not including the last game and going back a week - but here's a hint: those 10.5 and 30.0 passer ratings for Skelton get included either way (in case this post "chart" was posted prior to this weekends games).

Skelton just wins.

We are not going to go down the "record of teams they've played"...again. How do you type when your hands must be getting tired from grasping at straws? Keep up the fine work.

So 'he just wins' is only good when the QB is The Tebow. Ok.

Stop fishing. First off, I never said that.Secondly, you were the one who started spouting off made up stats about Skelton...until they were totally proven to be based in error - then (as you have done countless times throughout your hate-induced fishing trip in this thread) refused to acknowledge any possibility that you were mistaken, instead trying once again to change the subject in a feeble attempt to cover the fact that you were, once again, completely mistaken in your assertion.There are two people on my ignore list in 6 and half years. Your well thought out arguments, pleasent disposition and obvious open-mindedness and willingness to admit you are mistaken - especially in the face are extreme factual information - are strongly giving me leanings to adding a third. Have a great season.

 

[Dizzy]

Dizzy seems to be one of those angry blowhard atheists that make the rest of us look bad.

You give me way too much credit I.E... I think you do a great job of looking bad on your own."atheist" funny word invented by zealots... nice tipping of the hand.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I know what it means, and you're absolutely right. I'm just spewing more crap out into the white noise. That's what we do here right… fake names on a website dedicated to fake football… pretending to really care about all of these deep subjects.And I don't hate Tim Tebow… I don't even KNOW Tim Tebow? It's just more fun to say so than to fall in line and drone along I guess.

Anyway, I got knocked out last night as Mike Wallace came up short… FF interest fading fast. Time to get the fishing poles out… see you guys next fall.

Good luck to those still in the hunt.

 

[GeauxTigers]

Anytime I see a thread where someone contends that the Christian viewpoint is persecuted unfairly, I have to step back out. That's like me saying it's tough getting a fair shake as a white adult male in this society.

OMG!!! It's a white male Christian! He gets everything he wants in life!!!

 

[FreeBaGeL]

So 'he just wins' is only good when the QB is The Tebow. Ok.

Stop fishing. First off, I never said that.Secondly, you were the one who started spouting off made up stats about Skelton...until they were totally proven to be based in error - then (as you have done countless times throughout your hate-induced fishing trip in this thread) refused to acknowledge any possibility that you were mistaken, instead trying once again to change the subject in a feeble attempt to cover the fact that you were, once again, completely mistaken in your assertion.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

So 'he just wins' is only good when the QB is The Tebow. Ok.

Stop fishing. First off, I never said that.Secondly, you were the one who started spouting off made up stats about Skelton...until they were totally proven to be based in error - then (as you have done countless times throughout your hate-induced fishing trip in this thread) refused to acknowledge any possibility that you were mistaken, instead trying once again to change the subject in a feeble attempt to cover the fact that you were, once again, completely mistaken in your assertion.

The countless fishing trips has grown old.

 

[Otis]

Tebow didn't play bad yesterday. He played like Tebow. Denver has been winning by play calling to his strenghts. Tebow just doesn't have the skill set to air it out and win games right now. I'm not sure he ever will. Bottomline, I think he is a great story and exceeding expectations, but it would be a mistake for Denver to build their franchise around him and his skillset.

That's ridiculous. He played a good game. They were out of the game because the defense gave up 40 points to Tom Brady. Yes, you're right, Tebow isn't going to put up 40 points. If the defense plays a little better, Tebow Time would have been a bunch more interesting.Drives me bananas when I see those comments about "it's not Tebow that wins these games, it's the defense." My ###. That's the same defense that gave up, what, 35 points to a Ponder-led and Peterson-less Vikings offense? They're a better than average defense at best. They're not lights-out.