Tim Tebow - 8.17.21 Waived By Jacksonville (2 Viewers)

[ConfusedRealist]

By the way, this report was debunked by local radio before the game. I think it was started by that idiot Glazer. He saw Quinn take some snaps. But Quinn does that all the time. Former players on radio were chuckling at that report when they heard it.

From what I can tell, here's how it went down.Brady Quinn took 2 snaps with the first team offense in each practice this week, which apparently the backup QB has done for every Denver practice all season. Apparently PFT (and a lot of other people) didn't know they always did it and reported Quinn taking snaps with the 1st team offense in an intentionally vague manner to try and stir up controversy and drive traffic to their site. Simms actually laughed about it during the game, saying that he was at the practices and Quinn only took the same snaps in practice that he has all season.Meanwhile, there was a separate report from Jay Glazer that Quinn would be used in 3rd down passing situations and could come in full-time if Tebow struggled early. I have no idea where he got that info but he was probably just jumping on the bandwagon, as Denver had 3rd and long on each of the 1st two possessions and Quinn never so much as put on a helmet. That also means that the second part of his report (Tebow will be benched if he struggles early) was probably equally fabricated, but we'll never know.

Quinn was supposedly "playing catch" on the sidelines early on (according to a Denver Post beat writer), though I believe what you're saying is accurate.

 

[zDragon]

I would think even the naysayers would have to admit that he has exceeded their expectations - he is not horrible and has proven he can compete in the big league.

I'll give him all of that but I still don't think he's the answer at QB. Cue DoubleG to attack my response.

I'm not sure he's the long term answer either

Here's my take. With the way QB's and WR's protected and with the ungawldy number of penalty saving drives, you have to put up points galore in this league now. The guys that can do that make their teams contenders. GB, NO, NE, and to a point NYG, DET now. Once you come up against them, you have to put your track shoes on. SF with their power D, struggled vs Eli at home and they have to travel to GB if GB wins and they upset NO....which I don't see. NO is outta control right now. THe question? Can he do that? Matt Ryan can't right now. Good QB. Franchsie QB but rigt now, he ca't keep his tema in games when points are being put up. THe D's are handcuffed like never before. I'll be shocked if the SB winner is not NO, GB, NE or NYG in that order.

You also said Tebow would get crushed this game and this thread would be locked for good. I don't know what makes you so credible with anything at this stage.

He never was, probably never will be. I would suggest ignoring all the bait he lays out.

 

[Possum]

Let's be fair here. The Steelers were a pretty wounded unit and they still almost pulled this game off.This game isn't a referendum on Tebow's career anymore than a loss at New England will be next week. He showed some very good things this week, as well as some pretty bad throws as well. If I were a Denver fan I would be optimistic about his future but I wouldn't be anointing him the next John Elway just yet.

Who is the next John Elway?Give Tebow the credit he deserves for proving to himself and anyone that has doubted him that he can win big games against good teams while throwing the ball.Tebow still has a long ways to go as I have said since the beginning but he has clearly showed enough this season to be given ample opportunity to be the long term answer going forward. I mean people were saying Quinn was going to come in and get playing time today. This also allows Denver to move forward drafting players to upgrade their team that are not QB's.

I don't think he's out of line by saying "Let's be fair" - because it was a severely wounded Steelers team. We won and hell - I'll take it. This was great. But I still know that we haven't proven that we can beat a team with a good offense. Pitt struggled badly in the first half. Second half Pitt still didn't play well but were able to catch up.We won today because our TEAM played a helluva game. Our coaches coached a helluva game. Tebow did what he was supposed to just like our O-line, WRs, Defense (for the most part) and our RBs.I'm not complaining one bit but I also know we ran into a badly injured team today. But hey, it's the NFL and injuries happen. I'm not shedding any tears for the Steelers.

I know you're a bit of a Tebow skeptic and you also want to make sure that the entire team gets credit for their wins (which is certainly understandable), but it seems like you're looking a little bit too hard to find reasons to downplay Tebow's contributions to this win. We all know Pittsburgh was banged up, but so is Denver - as far as I'm concerned, the injuries were a wash today. Demaryius Thomas definitely deserves a lot of credit, but I felt like Tebow was Denver's MVP against the Steelers. The Broncos' defense looked like a D2 college most of the game, the running game outside of Tebow was nearly non-existent (and McGahee almost fumbled the game away), and I thought Fox and company didn't have their best day either (especially with some of their defensive calls).I think any measure of this game is incomplete without giving Tebow the lion's share of the credit for the win. He came out under a huge amount of pressure in the biggest game of the year, after stinking up the joint the last couple of weeks, and he delivered in a bigtime way. It's a team game, for sure, and Tebow doesn't win this one by himself - but at the same time, without him, Denver's sitting home next week watching the Steelers and Patriots duke it out instead of advancing to the next round.

 

[EBF]

Tebow has not proven that he's a good NFL QB or a player who can consistently lead a team to the playoffs

You do realize that this is his first (nearly full) season as a starter, right? So he's 1-for-1 in terms of leading teams to the playoffs. That's not a bad start.

Yes, and Sanchez was 2-for-2 in terms of "leading" teams to the AFC championship. This says relatively little about his ability to be a successful long term quarterback in the NFL. QB is the most important position on the field, but it still only accounts for a fraction of a team's results. San Francisco did not earn a first round bye solely because of Alex Smith and San Diego did not miss the playoffs solely because of Philip Rivers. I'm not sure why I'm supposed to give Tebow sole credit for Denver's success. Tebow played poorly as Denver backed into the playoffs in a weak division after being dealt an incredibly favorable schedule. They played four playoff teams all season. Tebow played in three of those games. Denver lost all of them. If Cutler doesn't get hurt, the Broncos miss the playoffs. If Philip Rivers doesn't have his worst season as a pro, San Diego (the best team in the AFC West) makes the playoffs. If Philip Rivers doesn't regain his top form and torch Oakland in week 17, the Raiders make the playoffs. We can play this "what if" game all day. In the end, "almost" doesn't matter. Denver made the playoffs and Tebow was their starter when they got most of their wins. That doesn't mean he's a good QB or a big part of the reason why Denver is where they are. Correlation vs. causation. I give him a lot credit for those throws to Thomas today, but as I said...one home run doesn't make you Barry Bonds. When you look at the bigger picture, there's nothing to be impressed with. On 271 pass attempts, Tebow was one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL this year.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Denver was down Decker, that's it

That's just not true..

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Let's be fair here. The Steelers were a pretty wounded unit and they still almost pulled this game off.

This game isn't a referendum on Tebow's career anymore than a loss at New England will be next week. He showed some very good things this week, as well as some pretty bad throws as well. If I were a Denver fan I would be optimistic about his future but I wouldn't be anointing him the next John Elway just yet.

No one is doing that. Favreco just keeps posting garbage about "in time". Despite the fact that Tebow just threw for more yards against the Steelers than have been thrown on them all season - in a playoff game.No, it doesn't make Tebow the best QB ever, nor does it put him next to Elway. It does suggest that this season's success may very well be a non-fluke. Poise in high pressure situations is an important QB skill as well - and he has shown to have that - in spades. He posted one of the best games of the season when it was win or go home. That says something about his ability.

FavreCo continues giving feint praise and backhanded compliments - whilst hinting within the same posts that Tebow actually still sucks - trying to make himself not look completely ridiculous (btw, it's way too late.)

As an eagle fan this rings loud and clear. Poise in high pressure situations is prob the difference between mcnabb being an all time great and a player who never got it done

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

It seems disingenuous to talk about what Tebow's stats say about him and then ignore the 623 rushing yards he accumulated in his 11 starts while averaging 5.4/carry.

 

[EBF]

I would think even the naysayers would have to admit that he has exceeded their expectations - he is not horrible and has proven he can compete in the big league.

He hasn't proven much of anything. He had a poor year overall. Only completed 46.5% of his passes for 6.38 yards per throw during the regular season. Those are among the worst numbers of any QB in the NFL. Bear in mind that he posted these poor numbers despite having minimal responsibility (he ranked dead last among NFL starters in pass attempts per game). Tim Tebow might become a good starter, but he did not have a good year. The stats don't lie.

Is 6.38 ypa really that poor for a 1st year starter? Sam Bradford's was 6.0 last year and it was considered a phenomenal rookie year. Stafford's was 6.0, Peyton 6.5, Brady 6.9, Mcnabb 4.4, Brees 6.2, etc.

Many of those guys started as rookies. Tebow is a second year player who presumably benefited from a year of NFL practice and offseason work.And the key thing with those guys is that most of them eventually improved. If McNabb, Brees, and Peyton had stayed at that level, they would not have lasted as starters in the NFL. I have never said that Tebow can't improve. I've said that he must improve, which is true.

The real ##### of it is that you never quite know how it's going to play out with young QBs. Some of them make tremendous strides (Eli, Brees). Others improve minimally, if at all (Sanchez, Edwards, Harrington, Carr). I don't know if Tim Tebow will eventually become a great QB, but I know that he was a very bad one this season.

And for kicks, Tebow's TD/INT ratio was ahead of all those guys and his QB rating was ahead of all except Brady.

I know you've been harping on completion percentage a lot and I agree he'll need to get that up, but it seems a bit unfair to take that number at face value. Tebow throws an exhorbitant number of his balls downfield so you expect the competition percentage to at least be a bit lower. His yards per completion led the NFL this year.

I think completion percentage is a bit overblown, especially by you. Who do you want, the guy that went 24/41 for 199yds with 0 TDs today or the guy who went 10/21 for 315yds and 2 TDs?

The all-time leader in completion percentage in NFL history is Chad Pennington. Matt Schaub, Carson Palmer, Brian Griese, Marc Bulger, Shaun Hill, and David Garrard are all in the top 20. Even guys like Jason Campbell, Damon Huard, Chad Henne, Jon Kitna, Tim Couch, and David Carr aren't far behind that.

I'm not sure why you've decided that completion percentage is among the two most important QB stats in the last few years (you use it in the Roethisberger argument as well). Almost half of the top 40 QBs in all-time completion percentage are journeymen/backups/garbage.

I look at completion percentage in conjunction with yards per attempt and QB rating (which is related to those two stats). If I had to choose which is the most important, I'd probably go with yards per attempt. A player can "fluke" his way to a high completion percentage by throwing short passes and dump offs. It's much harder to fluke your way to a high YPA average. If you look at YPA averages from year to year, it tends to read like a "who's who" list of elite QBs. Tebow's 6.4 average doesn't even register on the "wow" scale for a first year starter.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

3 from hoisting the Lombardi Trophy up.

 

[Possum]

Great win for Denver no doubt but no Keisel, no Hampton, no Clark, no Mendenhall not to mention gimpy Pouncey and Big Ben. It was a nice win but they didn't beat last years Super Bowl runner-up exactly.Denver was down Decker, that's it and Thomas has always been the far superior receiver even if not so many people recognize that.

Denver's injury situation is a lot worse than you're indicating - they were missing starters Decker, Kuper, Dawkins, and Larsen, along with Knowshon Moreno and nickel CB/kick returner Cassius Vaughn. Also, McGahee, Von Miller and S David Bruton have all been pretty banged up and playing hurt the last few weeks.

All I'm saying is let's not close the book on his career, in any way, this year. Regardless of what happens next week we all need to take a step back and wait until he has a full season under his belt (preferably three) before we can really see everything he brings to the table.

but this is excellent posting and I'm fully on board with it. Everybody is so quick to make a judgment on this kid one way or the other - it's crazy to me. He's far from a finished product, and he may end up washing out of the league in 3-4 years, but he's flashed some bigtime potential this year, and he's shown the ability to raise his game in pressure situations like few guys can. He was billed as a project coming into the league and this is only year 2 with no offseason reps - I agree with you 100% that everybody needs to just step back and give the guy at least another season to develop before calling him a bust (or the next Elway).

 

[packersfan]

I'm not sure why I'm supposed to give Tebow sole credit for Denver's success.

I'm not saying you or anyone else should. I simply do not agree that Tebow was one of the worst QBs in the league this season as you assert. The fact of the matter is his team began winning consistently when he became the starter and today they had a huge playoff win with him as the starter. Those are two rather important factors in my opinion that I don't believe can or should be so casually dismissed. No one will argue that Tebow's statistical production leaves a lot to be desired. But there are a lot of QBs who put up better numbers who were at home watching him today and will be at home watching him again next week, including a guy with a couple of Super Bowl titles under his belt in Ben Roethlisberger. Dismiss Tebow by focusing on his stats all you want. At the end of the day, all that matters are victories and the Broncos started winning when Tebow became the starter and they just got a huge victory today. As I've been saying, that counts for a lot in my book. Your mileage may vary.

 

[twistd]

it is interesting that Tebow tends to get all the credit. That Denver offensive line has played extremely well. And the defense really got better and better as the season progressed. But it is all Tebow.

 

[moderated]

Tebow IS God

 

[Hoss Style]

Let's be fair here. The Steelers were a pretty wounded unit and they still almost pulled this game off.

This game isn't a referendum on Tebow's career anymore than a loss at New England will be next week. He showed some very good things this week, as well as some pretty bad throws as well. If I were a Denver fan I would be optimistic about his future but I wouldn't be anointing him the next John Elway just yet.

Who is the next John Elway?Give Tebow the credit he deserves for proving to himself and anyone that has doubted him that he can win big games against good teams while throwing the ball.

Tebow still has a long ways to go as I have said since the beginning but he has clearly showed enough this season to be given ample opportunity to be the long term answer going forward.

I mean people were saying Quinn was going to come in and get playing time today. This also allows Denver to move forward drafting players to upgrade their team that are not QB's.

I don't think he's out of line by saying "Let's be fair" - because it was a severely wounded Steelers team. We won and hell - I'll take it. This was great. But I still know that we haven't proven that we can beat a team with a good offense. Pitt struggled badly in the first half. Second half Pitt still didn't play well but were able to catch up.We won today because our TEAM played a helluva game. Our coaches coached a helluva game. Tebow did what he was supposed to just like our O-line, WRs, Defense (for the most part) and our RBs.

I'm not complaining one bit but I also know we ran into a badly injured team today. But hey, it's the NFL and injuries happen. I'm not shedding any tears for the Steelers.

I know you're a bit of a Tebow skeptic and you also want to make sure that the entire team gets credit for their wins (which is certainly understandable), but it seems like you're looking a little bit too hard to find reasons to downplay Tebow's contributions to this win. We all know Pittsburgh was banged up, but so is Denver - as far as I'm concerned, the injuries were a wash today. Demaryius Thomas definitely deserves a lot of credit, but I felt like Tebow was Denver's MVP against the Steelers. The Broncos' defense looked like a D2 college most of the game, the running game outside of Tebow was nearly non-existent (and McGahee almost fumbled the game away), and I thought Fox and company didn't have their best day either (especially with some of their defensive calls).I think any measure of this game is incomplete without giving Tebow the lion's share of the credit for the win. He came out under a huge amount of pressure in the biggest game of the year, after stinking up the joint the last couple of weeks, and he delivered in a bigtime way. It's a team game, for sure, and Tebow doesn't win this one by himself - but at the same time, without him, Denver's sitting home next week watching the Steelers and Patriots duke it out instead of advancing to the next round.

Well, a few things here: Most of my posts are made with the season as a whole on my mind. So take that into account. I'm not so much entrenched in one opinion or another as I am just trying to balance out the anti/pro Tebow posts. I would like the team to get more credit than they do so I will go a bit overboard to make that point at times. Also, in an earlier post I said that Tebow is a good runner who turns into a great one in the red zone. Looking at just today's game I'd say he turned into a good downfield passer as well. I try not to get too high or too low based on recent history, though. I've defended him in the past against the bashers after really bad games, too.

But overall I'd agree with your post, today. If I were giving MVPs for the game I'd probably give a co-mvp to Thomas and Tebow. But if someone argued for Tebow as the sole MVP I wouldn't argue it. The kid played about as good as any QB in the NFL could have within the gameplan we had laid out against the Steelers. He missed a few short throws badly but if you take out the "badly" part and just look at a miss as a miss then he more than made up for those blunders with his fantastic runs and accurate downfield passing.

Our D played a bit better than you think, in my opinion. The second half was worse, though, by far.

 

[Courtjester]

it is interesting that Tebow tends to get all the credit. That Denver offensive line has played extremely well. And the defense really got better and better as the season progressed. But it is all Tebow.

Then blame the flamers in this thread for that.Most realistic Bronco fans understand these wins are a team effort. This was a predicted 5 win team...what they are doing is a team win from top to bottom.

 

[tom22406]

it is interesting that Tebow tends to get all the credit. That Denver offensive line has played extremely well. And the defense really got better and better as the season progressed. But it is all Tebow.

Then blame the flamers in this thread for that.Most realistic Bronco fans understand these wins are a team effort. This was a predicted 5 win team...what they are doing is a team win from top to bottom.

I never got any of the John Fox bashing at all.He gave them the plan to win and it's working.

 

[Donnybrook]

I don't know if anyone else listens to Mike and Mike in the morning but I was shocked how negative these guys were on Tim Tebow.

Mark Greenburg posed this question: True or False, Sunday will be Tim Tebow final start as a Denver Bronco? Both Mark Schlereth and Mike Golic answered true.

Here is a link to the audio :http://espn.go.com/e...play?id=7427514 (They start talking about Tebow around the 2:20 mark)

I can see them being down on his chances to get past Pittsburgh but I seriously doubt if Tebow will be replaced next year by a free agent or a rookie qb.

 

[Widbil83]

This reminds me of the Rex Grossman debate a few years ago.He got his team to a Superbowl but it never made him a good QB and it still holds water today with him.

As a Bears fan I can't even remember a time Grossman personally led them to a comeback win during the Superbowl run. It was always Hester running the kick back or the defense making a big play. Hell they won most of the time in spite of Grossman. It is exactly the oppsoite with Tebow. Pretty poor analogy.

 

[Hoss Style]

This reminds me of the Rex Grossman debate a few years ago.He got his team to a Superbowl but it never made him a good QB and it still holds water today with him.

As a Bears fan I can't even remember a time Grossman personally led them to a comeback win during the Superbowl run. It was always Hester running the kick back or the defense making a big play. Hell they won most of the time in spite of Grossman. It is exactly the oppsoite with Tebow. Pretty poor analogy.

This is a slippery slope you're climbing, here. If someone so chose, they could easily show how "big plays" from the rest of the team carried Tebow during the Bronco's winning streak.Unless you mean today's game, only. Then I'd have to go with you on that. Tebow stepped up today, to his credit.

 

[twistd]

it is interesting that Tebow tends to get all the credit. That Denver offensive line has played extremely well. And the defense really got better and better as the season progressed. But it is all Tebow.

Then blame the flamers in this thread for that.Most realistic Bronco fans understand these wins are a team effort. This was a predicted 5 win team...what they are doing is a team win from top to bottom.

I honestly believe that the biggest factor in their success is the play of the offensive line. The difference between the play of the Broncos offensive line versus the Steelers offensive line was dramatic. The Broncos were getting pressure even when they rushed three. The Steelers weren't getting pressure no matter how many they rushed.

 

[Mile High]

it is interesting that Tebow tends to get all the credit. That Denver offensive line has played extremely well. And the defense really got better and better as the season progressed. But it is all Tebow.

This again? I can name lots of teams where when they win the QB gets most of the credit.

 

[Boccioni]

It seems disingenuous to talk about what Tebow's stats say about him and then ignore the 623 rushing yards he accumulated in his 11 starts while averaging 5.4/carry.

Exactly. In 2/3 a season. With another 50 yards rushing and a TD today. Of course, you need to account for his 7 lost fumbles in the analysis as well. But maybe the right answer here is that he is, at this point, only a mediocre passer but -- once one considers his power rushing ability, and the ways that can complicate life for defenses -- a good quarterback.

 

[az_prof]

The list of mediocre QBs who have won big games is a long one. What separates players like Drew Brees and Tom Brady from players like Mark Sanchez and TJ Yates is the ability to play well consistently. Hitting one home run doesn't make you Barry Bonds. Tebow has not proven that he's a good NFL QB or a player who can consistently lead a team to the playoffs and win meaningful games. So no, he really hasn't proven anything. Statistically, he was one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL during the regular season. There's really no getting around that. Of all the teams in the playoffs, the Broncos had the worst point differential and the worst record. They were incredibly fortunate to have the opportunity to play in this game today.

Sour eggs. Come on. It was the guy's first year as a starter, without the benefit of much of an offseason at all. He took over a 1-4 team and not only brought it to the playoffs, but beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in the playoffs. Fair enough--he hasn't proven he can consistently play like he did today. But most "talking heads," here and elsewhere, said he couldn't do half of what he has already done. How many playoff wins did Cutler deliver in Denver? Orton? Stats are stats--it depends on which ones you look at. If you include his rushing stats he did very fine thank you. His completion % is low, but the team rarely has him throwing dump off passes to backs and TEs. He is being asked to throw deep, and he is very good at it. He is playing with a below average receiving corps. Yes, Thomas, has been a good surprise and Decker is ok. But these are a far cry from the receivers that Drew Brees, Brady, Rodgers, and even Roethlisberger enjoy. Who is his Te again? Hopefully Denver will get him a great TE in the draft. And hopefully they find a HB like Ahmad Bradshaw who can produce some big plays as a receiving back. Anyway, he played great today. It is true that we don't know yet whether or not he will be a long term great NFL QB, but at a minimum, he has proven that he is an NFL QB.

 

[tom22406]

This reminds me of the Rex Grossman debate a few years ago.He got his team to a Superbowl but it never made him a good QB and it still holds water today with him.

As a Bears fan I can't even remember a time Grossman personally led them to a comeback win during the Superbowl run. It was always Hester running the kick back or the defense making a big play. Hell they won most of the time in spite of Grossman. It is exactly the oppsoite with Tebow. Pretty poor analogy.

Just saying that people were saying that because he led them to the Superbowl it somehow magically made him a better QB than he ever was.Not comparing them as a QB or what they did on the field it was more of a perception thing.

 

[twistd]

it is interesting that Tebow tends to get all the credit. That Denver offensive line has played extremely well. And the defense really got better and better as the season progressed. But it is all Tebow.

This again? I can name lots of teams where when they win the QB gets most of the credit.

Not like Tebow does. He is fawned over like the second coming of Christ by many, and reviled like the anti-christ by others. Another guy who no one really talks about is Thomas. He has really stepped up big time the second half of the season.

 

[az_prof]

I would think even the naysayers would have to admit that he has exceeded their expectations - he is not horrible and has proven he can compete in the big league.

He hasn't proven much of anything. He had a poor year overall. Only completed 46.5% of his passes for 6.38 yards per throw during the regular season. Those are among the worst numbers of any QB in the NFL. Bear in mind that he posted these poor numbers despite having minimal responsibility (he ranked dead last among NFL starters in pass attempts per game). Tim Tebow might become a good starter, but he did not have a good year. The stats don't lie.

Is 6.38 ypa really that poor for a 1st year starter? Sam Bradford's was 6.0 last year and it was considered a phenomenal rookie year. Stafford's was 6.0, Peyton 6.5, Brady 6.9, Mcnabb 4.4, Brees 6.2, etc.And for kicks, Tebow's TD/INT ratio was ahead of all those guys and his QB rating was ahead of all except Brady.I know you've been harping on completion percentage a lot and I agree he'll need to get that up, but it seems a bit unfair to take that number at face value. Tebow throws an exhorbitant number of his balls downfield so you expect the competition percentage to at least be a bit lower. His yards per completion led the NFL this year.I think completion percentage is a bit overblown, especially by you. Who do you want, the guy that went 24/41 for 199yds with 0 TDs today or the guy who went 10/21 for 315yds and 2 TDs?The all-time leader in completion percentage in NFL history is Chad Pennington. Matt Schaub, Carson Palmer, Brian Griese, Marc Bulger, Shaun Hill, and David Garrard are all in the top 20. Even guys like Jason Campbell, Damon Huard, Chad Henne, Jon Kitna, Tim Couch, and David Carr aren't far behind that.I'm not sure why you've decided that completion percentage is among the two most important QB stats in the last few years (you use it in the Roethisberger argument as well). Almost half of the top 40 QBs in all-time completion percentage are journeymen/backups/garbage.

This is really a great post. Td/INT ratio and ypa are much more meaningful than % completion.

 

[Mile High]

it is interesting that Tebow tends to get all the credit. That Denver offensive line has played extremely well. And the defense really got better and better as the season progressed. But it is all Tebow.

This again? I can name lots of teams where when they win the QB gets most of the credit.

Not like Tebow does. He is fawned over like the second coming of Christ by many, and reviled like the anti-christ by others. Another guy who no one really talks about is Thomas. He has really stepped up big time the second half of the season.

Maybe nationally Tebow gets criticisms locally here, when he plays poorly. Tebow always says the team makes him look better then he really is and gives credit to this team mates.

 

[EBF]

Fair enough--he hasn't proven he can consistently play like he did today. But most "talking heads," here and elsewhere, said he couldn't do half of what he has already done. How many playoff wins did Cutler deliver in Denver? Orton?

Lots of people expected him to play poorly and that's exactly what he did. You are attributing the team's success to him. Mark Sanchez has more career playoff wins than Matt Schaub. This is not because he's a better quarterback. It's because of coaching, supporting talent, and luck. This is not really a difficult concept to grasp. Trent Dilfer won more Super Bowls than Dan Marino. This is not because he's a better quarterback. It's because he had the benefit of playing against a relatively weak NFC contender on a team with an incredible defense. Again, correlation vs. causation. Tebow's presence on an 8-8 playoff team does not mean he caused an 8-8 playoff team. It's not really possible to quantify a quarterback's role in his team's win-loss record. We don't know where the Broncos would be without Tebow. Maybe they're winning because of him. Maybe they're winning in spite of him. The fact that his passing numbers rank near the bottom of the league suggests to me that it's probably the latter though. I think this is a case like the Sanchez Jets or the Dilfer Ravens where the circumstances have been so favorable that virtually any QB could yield decent results with this opportunity. That doesn't mean the QB gets all the credit. Put Matt Moore or Andy Dalton on a strong team in a cake division with a cake schedule and you'd probably get something like 8-8 as well. Doesn't mean they're great players or that they're proven anything. The 49ers were 13-3 this season. That's an elite record. Does that make Alex Smith an elite QB? No, of course not. He's only one piece of the puzzle and it's highly likely that the team would've produced similar results with any number of other players under center. Overall, Tebow played poorly this year. That his team has still managed to win some games and luck their way into the postseason doesn't make him a proven commodity or a respectable NFL QB.

 

[rascal]

Great win for Denver no doubt but no Keisel, no Hampton, no Clark, no Mendenhall not to mention gimpy Pouncey and Big Ben. It was a nice win but they didn't beat last years Super Bowl runner-up exactly.

Denver was down Decker, that's it and Thomas has always been the far superior receiver even if not so many people recognize that. It was a nice win and good for Tebow for averaging 15 yards/attempt and 31 yards/completion, but it was still 47.6% completions (another sub 50% game) and none of those numbers will not be sustainable in the NFL for long. I guess I could be wrong about that but it hasn't happened in the modern era so IMO it won't happen now. He is going to need to show big improvements in his accuracy before I think he will be a big time difference maker at QB. Right now when he is at his best he is the kind of guy who will pull out close games more often than not but he also will not yet be the guy who will bring his team back from big deficits or create insurmountable leads against an opponent.

All I'm saying is let's not close the book on his career, in any way, this year. Regardless of what happens next week we all need to take a step back and wait until he has a full season under his belt (preferably three) before we can really see everything he brings to the table.

Wrong. Denver was down Kuper, Dawkins, and several others.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Fair enough--he hasn't proven he can consistently play like he did today. But most "talking heads," here and elsewhere, said he couldn't do half of what he has already done. How many playoff wins did Cutler deliver in Denver? Orton?

Lots of people expected him to play poorly and that's exactly what he did. You are attributing the team's success to him. Mark Sanchez has more career playoff wins than Matt Schaub. This is not because he's a better quarterback. It's because of coaching, supporting talent, and luck. This is not really a difficult concept to grasp. Trent Dilfer won more Super Bowls than Dan Marino. This is not because he's a better quarterback. It's because he had the benefit of playing against a relatively weak NFC contender on a team with an incredible defense. Again, correlation vs. causation. Tebow's presence on an 8-8 playoff team does not mean he caused an 8-8 playoff team.

It's not really possible to quantify a quarterback's role in his team's win-loss record. We don't know where the Broncos would be without Tebow. Maybe they're winning because of him. Maybe they're winning in spite of him. The fact that his passing numbers rank near the bottom of the league suggests to me that it's probably the latter though. I think this is a case like the Sanchez Jets or the Dilfer Ravens where the circumstances have been so favorable that virtually any QB could yield decent results with this opportunity. That doesn't mean the QB gets all the credit.

Put Matt Moore or Andy Dalton on a strong team in a cake division with a cake schedule and you'd probably get something like 8-8 as well. Doesn't mean they're great players or that they're proven anything. The 49ers were 13-3 this season. That's an elite record. Does that make Alex Smith an elite QB? No, of course not. He's only one piece of the puzzle and it's highly likely that the team would've produced similar results with any number of other players under center.

Overall, Tebow played poorly this year. That his team has still managed to win some games and luck their way into the postseason doesn't make him a proven commodity or a respectable NFL QB.

Orton is in the class of Matt Moore and Andy Dalton at this stage and how well was he doing the last couple years with this same team?Hell Phillip Rivers plays in this same crappy division and this year he threw for 4,600 yards, 27 td's and had a 63% completion percentage and he is at home watching this weekend.

I think level headed Tebow supporters would agree that he needs to improve on a lot of things in his game. I just think you are not giving his potential enough credit, and his ability to improve enough credit.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Fair enough--he hasn't proven he can consistently play like he did today. But most "talking heads," here and elsewhere, said he couldn't do half of what he has already done. How many playoff wins did Cutler deliver in Denver? Orton?

Lots of people expected him to play poorly and that's exactly what he did. You are attributing the team's success to him. Mark Sanchez has more career playoff wins than Matt Schaub. This is not because he's a better quarterback. It's because of coaching, supporting talent, and luck. This is not really a difficult concept to grasp. Trent Dilfer won more Super Bowls than Dan Marino. This is not because he's a better quarterback. It's because he had the benefit of playing against a relatively weak NFC contender on a team with an incredible defense. Again, correlation vs. causation. Tebow's presence on an 8-8 playoff team does not mean he caused an 8-8 playoff team. It's not really possible to quantify a quarterback's role in his team's win-loss record. We don't know where the Broncos would be without Tebow. Maybe they're winning because of him. Maybe they're winning in spite of him. The fact that his passing numbers rank near the bottom of the league suggests to me that it's probably the latter though. I think this is a case like the Sanchez Jets or the Dilfer Ravens where the circumstances have been so favorable that virtually any QB could yield decent results with this opportunity. That doesn't mean the QB gets all the credit. Put Matt Moore or Andy Dalton on a strong team in a cake division with a cake schedule and you'd probably get something like 8-8 as well. Doesn't mean they're great players or that they're proven anything. The 49ers were 13-3 this season. That's an elite record. Does that make Alex Smith an elite QB? No, of course not. He's only one piece of the puzzle and it's highly likely that the team would've produced similar results with any number of other players under center. Overall, Tebow played poorly this year. That his team has still managed to win some games and luck their way into the postseason doesn't make him a proven commodity or a respectable NFL QB.

Tebow didn't play poorly, nor are his stats on the whole poor. He took a team that over the last two years has gone 4-14 with someone other than Tebow starting and including today's playoff win has gone 9-6. Does that make him an elite QB? Of course not, but then again no one is really making that argument except the people who want to shoot it down. He's a QB who still has less than one full season of NFL starts, does some things well and needs to improve in other areas. His completion percentage is low but he was also leading the league for most of the season in the percentage of his attempts over 15 yards, so part of it was a design of the offense. It's an overrated stat in general, but also one that probably has the most potential to advance quickly. At 25 attempts per game, which is probably Fox's sweet spot, the difference between 48% completion percentage and 60% is just 3 extra completions per game. It's not Tebow's delivery that's holding him back, it's his ability to read defenses and to a certain extent the game plan and play-calling. With a full off-season working with his receivers and continuing to refine what they want to do on offense he should easily be in the 55-60% range next year.

 

[Chaka]

My goodness Denver fans, you guys are out there. Enjoy your win. It would be nice if you could acknowledge that you caught Pittsburgh at the perfect time and that their losses perchance helped your team just maybe perhaps a tad. The losses to each team were no where near equivalent.

 

[Chaka]

Great win for Denver no doubt but no Keisel, no Hampton, no Clark, no Mendenhall not to mention gimpy Pouncey and Big Ben. It was a nice win but they didn't beat last years Super Bowl runner-up exactly.

Denver was down Decker, that's it and Thomas has always been the far superior receiver even if not so many people recognize that. It was a nice win and good for Tebow for averaging 15 yards/attempt and 31 yards/completion, but it was still 47.6% completions (another sub 50% game) and none of those numbers will not be sustainable in the NFL for long. I guess I could be wrong about that but it hasn't happened in the modern era so IMO it won't happen now. He is going to need to show big improvements in his accuracy before I think he will be a big time difference maker at QB. Right now when he is at his best he is the kind of guy who will pull out close games more often than not but he also will not yet be the guy who will bring his team back from big deficits or create insurmountable leads against an opponent.

All I'm saying is let's not close the book on his career, in any way, this year. Regardless of what happens next week we all need to take a step back and wait until he has a full season under his belt (preferably three) before we can really see everything he brings to the table.

Wrong. Denver was down Kuper, Dawkins, and several others.

Anyone as significant as Pouncey, Clark, Hampton, Mendenhall or even Keisel? Dawkins I can see, he is the field general. Kuper may be on the level of Keisel but is anyone going to argue that Denver missed Knowshon? Decker has been getting killed in this thread. Hell I have been one of the ones defending him now he is an integral part of the offense? Come on. The injuries for each team are hardly comparable. Just enjoy your victory and hope the Tebow keeps developing and eventually develops consistent throwing ability.

 

[werdnoynek]

My goodness Denver fans, you guys are out there. Enjoy your win. It would be nice if you could acknowledge that you caught Pittsburgh at the perfect time and that their losses perchance helped your team just maybe perhaps a tad. The losses to each team were no where near equivalent.

If, then maybe... a win isn't a loss.

 

[hines]

I don't know if anyone else listens to Mike and Mike in the morning but I was shocked how negative these guys were on Tim Tebow.

Mark Greenburg posed this question: True or False, Sunday will be Tim Tebow final start as a Denver Bronco? Both Mark Schlereth and Mike Golic answered true.

Here is a link to the audio :http://espn.go.com/e...play?id=7427514 (They start talking about Tebow around the 2:20 mark)

I can see them being down on his chances to get past Pittsburgh but I seriously doubt if Tebow will be replaced next year by a free agent or a rookie qb.

interesting decision in the offseason for the Broncs. do they draft or bring in another QB? I say you have to but this game today was really good. going to be hard to say a guy who beat the Steelers (even though a heavily hampered Steeler team) has to compete for the job next year but it would have been crazy to say you weren't bringing someone in about 7 hours ago

 

[infantsam]

He kicked our ### when it mattered. Done and done. His bad passes were incompletions that didn't kill drives and his good ones scored or were big plays. He made several 'easy' good throws throughout the game.

Hats off and GL in NE. It only gets harder.

 

[werdnoynek]

Great win for Denver no doubt but no Keisel, no Hampton, no Clark, no Mendenhall not to mention gimpy Pouncey and Big Ben. It was a nice win but they didn't beat last years Super Bowl runner-up exactly.

Denver was down Decker, that's it and Thomas has always been the far superior receiver even if not so many people recognize that. It was a nice win and good for Tebow for averaging 15 yards/attempt and 31 yards/completion, but it was still 47.6% completions (another sub 50% game) and none of those numbers will not be sustainable in the NFL for long. I guess I could be wrong about that but it hasn't happened in the modern era so IMO it won't happen now. He is going to need to show big improvements in his accuracy before I think he will be a big time difference maker at QB. Right now when he is at his best he is the kind of guy who will pull out close games more often than not but he also will not yet be the guy who will bring his team back from big deficits or create insurmountable leads against an opponent.

All I'm saying is let's not close the book on his career, in any way, this year. Regardless of what happens next week we all need to take a step back and wait until he has a full season under his belt (preferably three) before we can really see everything he brings to the table.

Wrong. Denver was down Kuper, Dawkins, and several others.

Anyone as significant as Pouncey, Clark, Hampton, Mendenhall or even Keisel? Dawkins I can see, he is the field general. Kuper may be on the level of Keisel but is anyone going to argue that Denver missed Knowshon? Decker has been getting killed in this thread. Hell I have been one of the ones defending him now he is an integral part of the offense? Come on. The injuries for each team are hardly comparable. Just enjoy your victory and hope the Tebow keeps developing and eventually develops consistent throwing ability.

Stay classy Steeler fan! There's always next season right? I think there's a Steeler thread to discuss what could have happened.

 

[moleculo]

This team with kyle Orton was 1-4. Last year, this defense was one of the worst of all time in terms of yards allowed and points scored. yes, Von Miller had something to do with this, but so does TT.

I traveled over a thousand miles for todays game. I took my wife to the game; her first playoff game. IMO, today is easily a to 10 all time playoff game for the Broncos...a game for the ages. All due to Tebow.

I don't give a #### what y'all say about his statistical abilities. y'all are making yourself look foolish by dogging him - you are ignoring what makes him great, and that's fine with me.

 

[shnikies]

Fair enough--he hasn't proven he can consistently play like he did today. But most "talking heads," here and elsewhere, said he couldn't do half of what he has already done. How many playoff wins did Cutler deliver in Denver? Orton?

Lots of people expected him to play poorly and that's exactly what he did. You are attributing the team's success to him. Mark Sanchez has more career playoff wins than Matt Schaub. This is not because he's a better quarterback. It's because of coaching, supporting talent, and luck. This is not really a difficult concept to grasp. Trent Dilfer won more Super Bowls than Dan Marino. This is not because he's a better quarterback. It's because he had the benefit of playing against a relatively weak NFC contender on a team with an incredible defense. Again, correlation vs. causation. Tebow's presence on an 8-8 playoff team does not mean he caused an 8-8 playoff team. It's not really possible to quantify a quarterback's role in his team's win-loss record. We don't know where the Broncos would be without Tebow. Maybe they're winning because of him. Maybe they're winning in spite of him. The fact that his passing numbers rank near the bottom of the league suggests to me that it's probably the latter though. I think this is a case like the Sanchez Jets or the Dilfer Ravens where the circumstances have been so favorable that virtually any QB could yield decent results with this opportunity. That doesn't mean the QB gets all the credit. Put Matt Moore or Andy Dalton on a strong team in a cake division with a cake schedule and you'd probably get something like 8-8 as well. Doesn't mean they're great players or that they're proven anything. The 49ers were 13-3 this season. That's an elite record. Does that make Alex Smith an elite QB? No, of course not. He's only one piece of the puzzle and it's highly likely that the team would've produced similar results with any number of other players under center. Overall, Tebow played poorly this year. That his team has still managed to win some games and luck their way into the postseason doesn't make him a proven commodity or a respectable NFL QB.

Tebow didn't play poorly, nor are his stats on the whole poor. He took a team that over the last two years has gone 4-14 with someone other than Tebow starting and including today's playoff win has gone 9-6. Does that make him an elite QB? Of course not, but then again no one is really making that argument except the people who want to shoot it down. He's a QB who still has less than one full season of NFL starts, does some things well and needs to improve in other areas. His completion percentage is low but he was also leading the league for most of the season in the percentage of his attempts over 15 yards, so part of it was a design of the offense. It's an overrated stat in general, but also one that probably has the most potential to advance quickly. At 25 attempts per game, which is probably Fox's sweet spot, the difference between 48% completion percentage and 60% is just 3 extra completions per game. It's not Tebow's delivery that's holding him back, it's his ability to read defenses and to a certain extent the game plan and play-calling. With a full off-season working with his receivers and continuing to refine what they want to do on offense he should easily be in the 55-60% range next year.

"Post of the Thread" award winner.

 

[DoubleG]

The list of mediocre QBs who have won big games is a long one. What separates players like Drew Brees and Tom Brady from players like Mark Sanchez and TJ Yates is the ability to play well consistently. Hitting one home run doesn't make you Barry Bonds. Tebow has not proven that he's a good NFL QB or a player who can consistently lead a team to the playoffs and win meaningful games. So no, he really hasn't proven anything. Statistically, he was one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL during the regular season. There's really no getting around that. Of all the teams in the playoffs, the Broncos had the worst point differential and the worst record. They were incredibly fortunate to have the opportunity to play in this game today.

Sour eggs. Come on. It was the guy's first year as a starter, without the benefit of much of an offseason at all. He took over a 1-4 team and not only brought it to the playoffs, but beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in the playoffs. Fair enough--he hasn't proven he can consistently play like he did today. But most "talking heads," here and elsewhere, said he couldn't do half of what he has already done. How many playoff wins did Cutler deliver in Denver? Orton? Stats are stats--it depends on which ones you look at. If you include his rushing stats he did very fine thank you. His completion % is low, but the team rarely has him throwing dump off passes to backs and TEs. He is being asked to throw deep, and he is very good at it. He is playing with a below average receiving corps. Yes, Thomas, has been a good surprise and Decker is ok. But these are a far cry from the receivers that Drew Brees, Brady, Rodgers, and even Roethlisberger enjoy. Who is his Te again? Hopefully Denver will get him a great TE in the draft. And hopefully they find a HB like Ahmad Bradshaw who can produce some big plays as a receiving back. Anyway, he played great today. It is true that we don't know yet whether or not he will be a long term great NFL QB, but at a minimum, he has proven that he is an NFL QB.

 

[Donnybrook]

I don't know if anyone else listens to Mike and Mike in the morning but I was shocked how negative these guys were on Tim Tebow.

Mark Greenburg posed this question: True or False, Sunday will be Tim Tebow final start as a Denver Bronco? Both Mark Schlereth and Mike Golic answered true.

Here is a link to the audio :http://espn.go.com/e...play?id=7427514 (They start talking about Tebow around the 2:20 mark)

I can see them being down on his chances to get past Pittsburgh but I seriously doubt if Tebow will be replaced next year by a free agent or a rookie qb.

interesting decision in the offseason for the Broncs. do they draft or bring in another QB? I say you have to but this game today was really good. going to be hard to say a guy who beat the Steelers (even though a heavily hampered Steeler team) has to compete for the job next year but it would have been crazy to say you weren't bringing someone in about 7 hours ago

Bring in someone in to compete is one thing. It quite another to say that Tebow will never start again as a Denver Bronco. Besides Luck and RG3, it is questionable whether any other rookie QB has the stuff to start right out of the gate.

 

[Chaka]

My goodness Denver fans, you guys are out there. Enjoy your win. It would be nice if you could acknowledge that you caught Pittsburgh at the perfect time and that their losses perchance helped your team just maybe perhaps a tad. The losses to each team were no where near equivalent.

If, then maybe... a win isn't a loss.

Absolutely. I totally agree. But it's like Denver fans think they are a three consecutive Super Bowl winning dynasty instead of a team that had a nice win at home against a deeply wounded team. I'm just asking for a little realism.And I am not a Steeler fan, not even close.

 

[Chaka]

Great win for Denver no doubt but no Keisel, no Hampton, no Clark, no Mendenhall not to mention gimpy Pouncey and Big Ben. It was a nice win but they didn't beat last years Super Bowl runner-up exactly.

Denver was down Decker, that's it and Thomas has always been the far superior receiver even if not so many people recognize that. It was a nice win and good for Tebow for averaging 15 yards/attempt and 31 yards/completion, but it was still 47.6% completions (another sub 50% game) and none of those numbers will not be sustainable in the NFL for long. I guess I could be wrong about that but it hasn't happened in the modern era so IMO it won't happen now. He is going to need to show big improvements in his accuracy before I think he will be a big time difference maker at QB. Right now when he is at his best he is the kind of guy who will pull out close games more often than not but he also will not yet be the guy who will bring his team back from big deficits or create insurmountable leads against an opponent.

All I'm saying is let's not close the book on his career, in any way, this year. Regardless of what happens next week we all need to take a step back and wait until he has a full season under his belt (preferably three) before we can really see everything he brings to the table.

Wrong. Denver was down Kuper, Dawkins, and several others.

Anyone as significant as Pouncey, Clark, Hampton, Mendenhall or even Keisel? Dawkins I can see, he is the field general. Kuper may be on the level of Keisel but is anyone going to argue that Denver missed Knowshon? Decker has been getting killed in this thread. Hell I have been one of the ones defending him now he is an integral part of the offense? Come on. The injuries for each team are hardly comparable. Just enjoy your victory and hope the Tebow keeps developing and eventually develops consistent throwing ability.

Stay classy Steeler fan! There's always next season right? I think there's a Steeler thread to discuss what could have happened.

If the Steelers had won I would be in that thread trying to temper their enthusiasm. There just seems to be a basic denial of reality going on in here.

 

[Football Jones]

The dude can play. The thing you got to like is Tebow still has a massive amount of headroom.

His athletic ability & intangibles are off the charts. Not only that, he's got a good arm. When you combine all that with a smart, dedicated kid, you've got something.

Even better, his FF upside is even higher. And that's why we're here (FF).

 

[werdnoynek]

Great win for Denver no doubt but no Keisel, no Hampton, no Clark, no Mendenhall not to mention gimpy Pouncey and Big Ben. It was a nice win but they didn't beat last years Super Bowl runner-up exactly.

Denver was down Decker, that's it and Thomas has always been the far superior receiver even if not so many people recognize that. It was a nice win and good for Tebow for averaging 15 yards/attempt and 31 yards/completion, but it was still 47.6% completions (another sub 50% game) and none of those numbers will not be sustainable in the NFL for long. I guess I could be wrong about that but it hasn't happened in the modern era so IMO it won't happen now. He is going to need to show big improvements in his accuracy before I think he will be a big time difference maker at QB. Right now when he is at his best he is the kind of guy who will pull out close games more often than not but he also will not yet be the guy who will bring his team back from big deficits or create insurmountable leads against an opponent.

All I'm saying is let's not close the book on his career, in any way, this year. Regardless of what happens next week we all need to take a step back and wait until he has a full season under his belt (preferably three) before we can really see everything he brings to the table.

Wrong. Denver was down Kuper, Dawkins, and several others.

Anyone as significant as Pouncey, Clark, Hampton, Mendenhall or even Keisel? Dawkins I can see, he is the field general. Kuper may be on the level of Keisel but is anyone going to argue that Denver missed Knowshon? Decker has been getting killed in this thread. Hell I have been one of the ones defending him now he is an integral part of the offense? Come on. The injuries for each team are hardly comparable. Just enjoy your victory and hope the Tebow keeps developing and eventually develops consistent throwing ability.

Stay classy Steeler fan! There's always next season right? I think there's a Steeler thread to discuss what could have happened.

If the Steelers had won I would be in that thread trying to temper their enthusiasm. There just seems to be a basic denial of reality going on in here.

 

[Chaka]

The dude can play. The thing you got to like is Tebow still has a massive amount of headroom.His athletic ability & intangibles are off the charts. Not only that, he's got a good arm. When you combine all that with a smart, dedicated kid, you've got something.Even better, his FF upside is even higher. And that's why we're here (FF).

I love Tebow as a fantasy QB.

 

[netnalp]

Mark Herzlich

"#Tebow is the most famous white Bronco since OJ's car"

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Tebow can't win with some people.

His team beats a very good Pitt team (and sure they were missing some players), but now the excuses continue as to how this possibly could have happend. It's not as if Tebow was running against a scout team. Harrison, Timmons, Woodley, Polamalu, Foote, Taylor, Farrior, Gay and company were still out there playing. Although he had a terrible game today Ike Taylor has been starting at corner for the Steelers since 2005 starting in 79 of 80 games.

Give Tebow some credit.

 

[Chaka]

Great win for Denver no doubt but no Keisel, no Hampton, no Clark, no Mendenhall not to mention gimpy Pouncey and Big Ben. It was a nice win but they didn't beat last years Super Bowl runner-up exactly.

Denver was down Decker, that's it and Thomas has always been the far superior receiver even if not so many people recognize that. It was a nice win and good for Tebow for averaging 15 yards/attempt and 31 yards/completion, but it was still 47.6% completions (another sub 50% game) and none of those numbers will not be sustainable in the NFL for long. I guess I could be wrong about that but it hasn't happened in the modern era so IMO it won't happen now. He is going to need to show big improvements in his accuracy before I think he will be a big time difference maker at QB. Right now when he is at his best he is the kind of guy who will pull out close games more often than not but he also will not yet be the guy who will bring his team back from big deficits or create insurmountable leads against an opponent.

All I'm saying is let's not close the book on his career, in any way, this year. Regardless of what happens next week we all need to take a step back and wait until he has a full season under his belt (preferably three) before we can really see everything he brings to the table.

Wrong. Denver was down Kuper, Dawkins, and several others.

Anyone as significant as Pouncey, Clark, Hampton, Mendenhall or even Keisel? Dawkins I can see, he is the field general. Kuper may be on the level of Keisel but is anyone going to argue that Denver missed Knowshon? Decker has been getting killed in this thread. Hell I have been one of the ones defending him now he is an integral part of the offense? Come on. The injuries for each team are hardly comparable. Just enjoy your victory and hope the Tebow keeps developing and eventually develops consistent throwing ability.

Stay classy Steeler fan! There's always next season right? I think there's a Steeler thread to discuss what could have happened.

If the Steelers had won I would be in that thread trying to temper their enthusiasm. There just seems to be a basic denial of reality going on in here.

Do you think Tebow is Denver's QB for the next decade (barring injury of course)?

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Great win for Denver no doubt but no Keisel, no Hampton, no Clark, no Mendenhall not to mention gimpy Pouncey and Big Ben. It was a nice win but they didn't beat last years Super Bowl runner-up exactly.

Denver was down Decker, that's it and Thomas has always been the far superior receiver even if not so many people recognize that. It was a nice win and good for Tebow for averaging 15 yards/attempt and 31 yards/completion, but it was still 47.6% completions (another sub 50% game) and none of those numbers will not be sustainable in the NFL for long. I guess I could be wrong about that but it hasn't happened in the modern era so IMO it won't happen now. He is going to need to show big improvements in his accuracy before I think he will be a big time difference maker at QB. Right now when he is at his best he is the kind of guy who will pull out close games more often than not but he also will not yet be the guy who will bring his team back from big deficits or create insurmountable leads against an opponent.

All I'm saying is let's not close the book on his career, in any way, this year. Regardless of what happens next week we all need to take a step back and wait until he has a full season under his belt (preferably three) before we can really see everything he brings to the table.

Wrong. Denver was down Kuper, Dawkins, and several others.

Anyone as significant as Pouncey, Clark, Hampton, Mendenhall or even Keisel? Dawkins I can see, he is the field general. Kuper may be on the level of Keisel but is anyone going to argue that Denver missed Knowshon? Decker has been getting killed in this thread. Hell I have been one of the ones defending him now he is an integral part of the offense? Come on. The injuries for each team are hardly comparable. Just enjoy your victory and hope the Tebow keeps developing and eventually develops consistent throwing ability.

Stay classy Steeler fan! There's always next season right? I think there's a Steeler thread to discuss what could have happened.

If the Steelers had won I would be in that thread trying to temper their enthusiasm. There just seems to be a basic denial of reality going on in here.

You can only beat who the other team lines up. I haven't seen any Denver fans (seriously) proclaiming this the start of a Super Bowl run, we're just enjoying winning a playoff game for the first time in while.