Well i know we gotta give him time because of his recent knee surgery, but how much time will it take? is it worth it to hang on to him or is he going to struggle all FF season? Especially with the emergence of Marshall? thinking of dropping him to pick up either furrey or mcdonald, but cant bring myself to do it quite yet. anybody giving up on him?
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Time to drop Javon Walker? (1 Viewer)
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AnonymousBob
Footballguy
I'm still holding onto the guy but with the playoffs starting next week I'm desperately scouring the waiver wire for another guy to start in his place.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I could've nabbed Colston as insurance for him but would've lost him at the end of the year (last year of a contract in a salary league and not able to tag him). Didn't do it because he was coming back. Looks like it's back to the Berrian/Crayton/Curtis merry go round beside Edwards every week....
packersfan
Footballguy
What about Javon? Broncos receiver Javon Walker has been playing as a seldom-used third receiver since returning two weeks ago from knee surgery. He had one catch for 7 yards against the Raiders, his first reception in 10 weeks.
Cutler said at his postgame news conference that Walker still isn't 100 percent.
"No, I'm fine," Walker said. "Why do you ask, because I wasn't playing?"
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Cutler said at his postgame news conference that Walker still isn't 100 percent.
"No, I'm fine," Walker said. "Why do you ask, because I wasn't playing?"
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packersfan
Footballguy
I'd be more inclined to feel good about Walker going forward if he was starting. The fact he's just the No. 3 WR renders him completely worthless in my opinion. If you can afford the roster spot, you might as well hold him because there are some good matchups coming up (Week 15 vs. Houston in particular and Week 17 vs. Minnesota if your league plays out the season) but if you need the production now and you're in a smaller league or have tight roster limits I think he should be dropped. No way would I keep him, for example, if guys like Furrey and/or Bryant Johnson were available. Those are likely to be the top 2 WR targets on many Waiver Wires this week.
packersfan
Footballguy
I know Shanahan isn't the most trustworthy of sources, but his comments today about Walker don't sound very positive in my opinion:
Said Javon Walker improved from his game at Chicago, playing 20-25 plays. “He does look better.” Shanahan added it was “hard to say” whether Walker would be back to his former full-time workload by the end of the regular season.
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Said Javon Walker improved from his game at Chicago, playing 20-25 plays. “He does look better.” Shanahan added it was “hard to say” whether Walker would be back to his former full-time workload by the end of the regular season.
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SteveInChicago
Footballguy
Okay, I'll take one for the team and drop this POS so you guys can count on him for 10/135/2 this weekend.
Mr. Mojo
Footballguy
Mucho gracias
Sabertooth
Footballguy
The Packers sure got fleeced on that deal.
sho nuff
Footballguy
About to drop him.
Picked him up for the playoffs.
But with Favre hurting and Eli sucking so far (though, a cake schedule the next few weeks)...I may have to drop him for another possible QB option or defense option.
Thinking about the Tampa D for week 16 vs the Falcons (my Packers D will be at St. Louis who are looking a little better).
I have Ocho Cinco, Jennings, and Evans...so Javon is not a big need right now. Just don't want another playoff team to get him and have him contribute is my only worry.
Edit...just dropped them for Tampa D (cannot believe someone did not have them).
Tampa's next 3 games...Houston, Atlanta, San Fran.
Picked him up for the playoffs.
But with Favre hurting and Eli sucking so far (though, a cake schedule the next few weeks)...I may have to drop him for another possible QB option or defense option.
Thinking about the Tampa D for week 16 vs the Falcons (my Packers D will be at St. Louis who are looking a little better).
I have Ocho Cinco, Jennings, and Evans...so Javon is not a big need right now. Just don't want another playoff team to get him and have him contribute is my only worry.
Edit...just dropped them for Tampa D (cannot believe someone did not have them).
Tampa's next 3 games...Houston, Atlanta, San Fran.
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Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
I doubt he'll have any meaningful production from a fantasy standpoint for the rest of the year.
packersfan
Footballguy
Smart move. I said at the time of his injury I feared he'd be like Darrell Jackson a couple of seasons ago who got hurt, missed a lot of time and only had one good game in the ones he played. I talked myself out of that belief when I heard Walker was going to come back ahead of schedule. But as pointed out, he's no better than the No. 4 option in the passing game right now. Shanahan isn't sure he'll return to the starting lineup which is a pretty strong signal in my opinion that he won't; Cutler says he's not 100% which is probably why he's not looking for Walker more. There are no good signs for Walker right now. They're all bad.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
I love how people think this is a "smart" move. Just for potential alone, it's a horrible move and still is.
einstein2u
Footballguy
dropped him for bryant johnson.
W1cked
Footballguy
Depends on the league. If it's a redraft why is it a horrible move if it's a redraft league with limited (14 roster spots). If I recall they recommended knee surgery for him and it would have ended his season but he passed. That's not good news. Also at the time he was claiming he would play in week #4 and he didn't. It was obvious he was trying to play it off he was less hurt than he was. Either that or was trying to fool himself into thinking he could perform on the field. I'm not rolling the dice on a player liek that
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Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
He could certainly be a bargain next year, kinda like CP was this season.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Hm, this is absolutely true. It's all situational.
CorteztheKiller
Footballguy
It's FF playoff time so "potential" and "upside" are of little use to me. I drop my entire roster into one of two buckets - "can crack my starting lineup NOW" or "can't crack my starting lineup NOW". Walker is in bucket #2 along with a handful of other guys I was too patient with...
packersfan
Footballguy
I disagree. If you hung onto Walker for this long, you've likely ignored other emerging players who are clearly outproducing him. Someone like Justin Gage comes to mind. Potential is all fine and dandy but we're at the point in the season when potential means nothing. It's all about production and in his two games back, Walker has 1 total reception and 4 total targets. He's not even starting any longer. Those who cut bait with him when he had his surgery haven't had to worry about this pathetic production. Those of us who did keep him have wasted a roster spot and it's proven costly. I told myself I wouldn't make the same mistake with Walker that I did with DJax a couple of years ago. Well I did and I've paid the price.The only horrible move that's been made with regard to Walker is the one made to keep him on your roster at this point.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Hindsight is great, eh? You could have said similar things about Andre Johnson and AP and would have been dead wrong. Also,who knows if the person gambled on Gage, or maybe they took a try with Feeley? As I said hindsight is 20/20, but a few weeks out, the best option (risk/reward) was Walker.packersfan said:
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packersfan
Footballguy
No hindsight needed in this case. Go back and find the threads about Walker when he had surgery. You'll see my comments there saying I didn't want to make the same mistake with him that I made with DJax. I wish I had listened to my own advice but I got fooled by the reports that he was coming back ahead of schedule. I didn't expect him to be at full strength but I wasn't expecting him to return in limited fashion as the No. 3 WR with Shanahan saying he didn't know if Walker would start again the rest of the season.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Cool. I'm saying this statement you made could have just as well gone the other way. Basing DJax on this makes things even worse; every injury, every player and every situation are all totally different.
packersfan
Footballguy
True, but I guess my feeling was holding out hope for DJax a couple of years ago was a horrible decision and despite the fact I had the same vibes about Walker, I didn't stick with my gut and I kept him as well. I paid the price for that.
So you're saying that if the San Diego Chargers packaged Antonio Gates and LaDanian Tomlinson together for a 7th round draft pick, and Gates/Tomlinson wound up colliding with each other on their first snap with the new team and ending each others' career, that that still wouldn't have been the stupidest trade in the history of sports?A trade is a good trade, or a trade is a bad trade, and after-the-fact injuries can't change that. In this case, giving up Walker for a 2nd was an alright trade for the Packers, because no way was Walker going to re-sign after Favre threw him under the bus, so you might as well get something for him... but the Broncos got a lot more on their end of the trade than the Packers got on theirs. I don't think either side was fleeced, but if you asked me which side won (or, even better, which side "won more"), I'd say that Denver "won more"- just like they "won more" in the Portis/Bailey swap, even if Washington won as well.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Edited for correctness of the facts.
packersfan
Footballguy
If you're giving any consideration at all to starting Walker he might potentially be worth starting as a WR4 in leagues that start that many. Stokley has a knee injury and hasn't practiced this week yet. We'll know more on Friday but if Stokley sits, maybe and I can't emphasize the word maybe enough, Walker could have some value this week.
From KFFL:
Broncos | Stokley misses practice Thursday
Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:04:22 -0800
Bill Williamson, of The Denver Post, reports Denver Broncos WR Brandon Stokley (knee) did not participate in practice Thursday, Dec. 6. He may not be able to play Week 14.
From KFFL:
Broncos | Stokley misses practice Thursday
Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:04:22 -0800
Bill Williamson, of The Denver Post, reports Denver Broncos WR Brandon Stokley (knee) did not participate in practice Thursday, Dec. 6. He may not be able to play Week 14.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
They got draft picks...and with Walker around, they likely would not have picked Greg Jennings.Denver got a decent WR last year...and a gimp this year. Not quite sure how they got the best end of that trade at this point.
They got a 2nd, and Denver got an All Pro before he got injured. It's no "Moss for a 4th", but let's not pretend that a 2nd is fair value for Javon Walker when he's at 100%. Sure, Green Bay might not have gotten Jennings... but they wouldn't have needed him, because they'd still have Walker, and Jennings is no Walker.I'm not saying GB got fleeced, because they were fortunate to get a 2nd for a player they were going to lose anyway, but it's not like they broke even, either. They just lost less than they otherwise would have, which made it a win in relative terms, but a loss in absolute terms.
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
Is SSOG a Larryboy alias? Just wondering...
Who?5842 posts is sort of a lot for an alias, don't you think? I don't need to hide my opinions behind aliases. I'm very opinionated. A lot of those opinions are unpopular. Some wind up being spectacularly wrong. I'm okay with that.
Catbird
Footballguy
I have to like SSOG's overall evaluation on Javon and on the trade. The guy is a top 10-12 WR talent WHEN HEALTHY, despite a run-focussed system and perhaps worth somewhat less across from an emerging Marshall.
But IMO the thread question totally depends on your league and roster? You start 3 WRs and hold Wayne, Housh and Edwards you don't need to hold Walker, but if your 4th/5th guys are Santana Moss and Toomer, and there's nothing special on the wire, don't you keep Javon as a high risk but high potential guy for the last weekend or two? I buy that he isn't likely to do much from this point with Shannie saying he probably won't get healthy this season (although Shannahan says he'll play when he doesn't and probably is saying he won't when he will), but if the options are worse then you keep him?
That said, I would be a lot happier starting a Chris Henry this week than a J. Walker.
But IMO the thread question totally depends on your league and roster? You start 3 WRs and hold Wayne, Housh and Edwards you don't need to hold Walker, but if your 4th/5th guys are Santana Moss and Toomer, and there's nothing special on the wire, don't you keep Javon as a high risk but high potential guy for the last weekend or two? I buy that he isn't likely to do much from this point with Shannie saying he probably won't get healthy this season (although Shannahan says he'll play when he doesn't and probably is saying he won't when he will), but if the options are worse then you keep him?
That said, I would be a lot happier starting a Chris Henry this week than a J. Walker.
packersfan
Footballguy
I think in terms of value the Broncos easily got the better end of the trade. Walker is a much more talented WR than Jennings. However, if you factor in the contract and Walker's subsequent injury problems this season it's clear the Packers made out better given how they have a highly productive WR (Jennings) for a much cheaper price who is considerably more healthy than Walker is at the present time. Now, whether you should factor in Walker's injury as a way to assess the trade is a legitimate question. Unless the Packers traded Walker because they believed he was an injury risk - and there's nothing to suggest that was a motivating factor - then I don't think you can play the 20-20 hindsight game and say the Packers did well because Walker is now hurt and his 2007 season has, for all intents and purposes, been a bust.
So I think the true test to decide who "won" the trade is still to come. The Broncos were the clear victors last season; the Packers the clear victors this season. Let's see what 2008 holds.
Back on topic - Walker's practice time on Thursday was limited which is a very bad sign. So even if Stokley sits, I'm not sure Walker will be worth starting this week. If he's regressing in terms of his practice work, that's a clear indication to me he's not in the type of shape you want to rely on in this critical fantasy week.
So I think the true test to decide who "won" the trade is still to come. The Broncos were the clear victors last season; the Packers the clear victors this season. Let's see what 2008 holds.
Back on topic - Walker's practice time on Thursday was limited which is a very bad sign. So even if Stokley sits, I'm not sure Walker will be worth starting this week. If he's regressing in terms of his practice work, that's a clear indication to me he's not in the type of shape you want to rely on in this critical fantasy week.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yeah...they would still have a gimpy WR who missed how many games this year?And I think Jennings is just as talented as Walker...if not more so.He has outshined Walker's first 2 years with GB quite easily.I think they have broken even...if not bettered themselves.They got rid of a malcontent with a bum knee.Drafted a very good WR as a replacement...I believe they actually traded the pick they got for Walker and drafted multiple people with it last year (Jennings was not drafted with that pick or the picks they traded for I don't believe).In the end, I think they have come out just fine.SSOG said:
sho nuff
Footballguy
I think you can use the injury to evaluate it from the standpoint of would you want the Packers to have ponied up a big contract to a guy coming off of a major knee injury.packersfan said:
Agreed with Denver coming out on top last year, and Packers easily on top this year.I don't agree that Walker is all that much more talented than Jennings.Just going on some of the things Favre and the coaches have had to say about Jennings...and his production thus far in 2 years.
