Franknbeans
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Time to Sell Andre Johnson (1 Viewer)
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Johnson was limited in practice with a groin injury.The guy always seems to be nursing some kind of ailment.
I am thinking about offering Willis McGahee to the A.J owner...he is so stuck at rb that I think he might entertain the offer. I am thinking along the same lines that things will eventually turn for Houston and they will have to throw more. The injuries do scare me though, but McGahee isn't really a lot to give up if you ask me.
SameSongNDance
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Name value my friend, it's a powerful thing.
Nucker101
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Area51Inhabitant
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TheFootballJesus
Footballguy
In fairness, Cromartie played Andre quite well...
But that one drop he had was so ugly and uncharacteristic of him....
Low end WR2 the rest of the way
But that one drop he had was so ugly and uncharacteristic of him....
Low end WR2 the rest of the way
At this point he would honestly prob be a buy low if you can get someone to take the right offer. It's not like he forgot how to play football and the team does have some favorable match ups coming up (games that feature not only average D's but also that the Texans will likely need to put up serious points in).
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FUBAR
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Kerley's quickly become one of my favorite players. One bad week in 5, but still sitting on my taxi squad in dynasty. His Welker-lite impression may find his way into my lineup soon in both redraft and dynasty.Didn't expect much yesterday from AJ but the game was closer than I thought it would be. Disappointing that even in the close game he didn't do much.
lod01
Footballguy
I still think their whole paln is not to put Andre in jeopardy. He didn't seem to run any crossing routes. THey are rarely behind and need him. They want him healty for the playoffs. Great for the team bad for FF.
This week Reggie Wayne goes against Cromartie. It will be interesting to see how well he does.
This week Reggie Wayne goes against Cromartie. It will be interesting to see how well he does.
Statcruncher
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In Arian Foster's career (39 regular season NFL games) he's had 24 rushes or more only 13 times. 4 were in 2010, 4 were in 2011, and so far every game of the 2012 season. There is no way he keeps this pace. His 4.0 yards per carry is the worst of his career and he's faced an easy part of his schedule. The running game cannot continue to be the only game in Houston.
(Of course this could just be me trying to find the silver lining, I had AJ and a 5 point lead vs. Shayne Graham in a PPR league and lost)
(Of course this could just be me trying to find the silver lining, I had AJ and a 5 point lead vs. Shayne Graham in a PPR league and lost)
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I don't see Foster keeping up the pace of 24+ rushes. However, I do think that Tate and Forsett will take some of those from him, keeping him fresh for the playoffs. Not liking the outlook for Johnson as a plug and play WR1 at all this year. Defense is too good and they have one of the best running games in the league. Johnson's numbers get better when teams try to limit the running game but I don't see many teams on their schedule that really can effectively do that.
Sleeper 43
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He looked slow and mentally defeated to me. Cromartie was muscling him and constantly had his hands on him while Andre did not seem to put up a fight. He also stopped trying altogether on some run plays. Would not be surprised if he hung it up after this season.
Maven
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well well well... hopefully everyone sold him before this game. As Sleeper43 stated, Andre looked slow off his release and routes. Cromartie was just quick and athletic enough to stay with him. Really embarrassing Monday night outing for Andre. Also, he ended up with 5 or 6 targets? This isn't the Andre we know. Of course his value is too low now but see if you can swing him for other struggling players with better upside.
Major
Footballguy
He looked frustrated out there and Cromartie def shut him down. I've seen him play all season and this was out of character. He'll come back nicely. My only concern is injuries.
lod01
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Wild Young Billy
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I am testing the waters to see how far his reputation has gone. I offered Nate Washington for AJ. Can't wait for the reaction. 
IMO, his name alone will have owners asking you for more than Washington. Although, IMO, Washington may provide you with more upside for the next several weeks.I am testing the waters to see how far his reputation has gone. I offered Nate Washington for AJ. Can't wait for the reaction.
FUBAR
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Could be wrong but I think the next two weeks will be kind to AJ owners.IMO, his name alone will have owners asking you for more than Washington. Although, IMO, Washington may provide you with more upside for the next several weeks.I am testing the waters to see how far his reputation has gone. I offered Nate Washington for AJ. Can't wait for the reaction.
NDyse10
Footballguy
Absolutely true, but this owner is generally more informed than most. I expected an instant decline.
lod01
Footballguy
Exactly what I think. He's not #####ing about lack of targets. His #1 goal is a SB win.
Area51Inhabitant
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The problem I'm seeing with this just based on last night is it looks like AJ could use a few more reps. Last night he had more drops than catches and I would think his concentration might waver a bit if they don't feed him the ball more than what they're doing.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
IMO they have a better shot at a SB win with a healthy Arian than a healthy Andre. Tate is a high quality backup who performs well, but he's not Foster. They've proven they can win easily by stifling opponents with a smashmouth defense and then pounding them into submission with the run. Effective, but those are hard yards that add up. There's a reason the league average is to run it about 43% of the time. Houston runs about 55% of the time. Only Seattle runs the ball more, and we all know why they keep it on the ground. Houston has run the 7th most offensive plays from scrimmage but have passed the ball less than 23 other teams. I'm guessing that has got to change.
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Carter_Can_Fly
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Sounds like a lot of people are over analyzing this.
AJ is and will be fine. There will be games he will be needed more than the start of this season and he is still easily their best receiving target by a good margin.
AJ is a tireless worker and a great player even now. He will reward those that are patient just like Wayne is doing in Indy.
AJ is and will be fine. There will be games he will be needed more than the start of this season and he is still easily their best receiving target by a good margin.
AJ is a tireless worker and a great player even now. He will reward those that are patient just like Wayne is doing in Indy.
If Houston wants him ready for the playoffs they need to throw him the damn ball. He is clearly getting frustrated out there so why not run a screen play or SOMETHING to get him going. They can't possibly just expect to keep him out of the action all year and then all of a sudden come playoff time he will just turn it on and be the top receiver in the league that he is capable of. They need to do things to get the guy involved, I am honestly sick watching these games right now as someone who really bought in this off season. Anyone saying he is washed up or is gonna hang them up is dead wrong though, I think he has made it clear when actually thrown to (with the exception of a few plays last night) that he is still a damn good player in this league. The Texans approach right now is simply the most Vanilla offense prob in the entire league, they look like the damn Seahawks out there. Clearly you can't win a championship just running Arian into the ground and relying on D (hell the D honestly didn't even look that great last night considering who they played, and now they lost Cushing for the year) /END RANT
money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
Im holding him this week and hoping for a good outing vs the Packers then I'll sell. Be ridiculous to sell at this point with his value so low.
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spitkickers
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'Major said:
This. Cromartie is VERY good and AJ was blanketed all night. I'm not concerned at all. He will start breaking free soon, maybe even as soon as this week.
jdoggydogg
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Not asking or advice on this dynasty trade offer I received this week. Just pasting it as a barometer for perceived trade value:
I am holding on Johnson right now. As mentioned, Green Bay is a very attractive matchup. I don't think Houston can just grind Arian Foster all day vs. the Packers. Johnson is a player that will be hard to start every week depending on the strength of the opponent. But against competitive teams, I think Johnson will please his owners on those days.
money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
Well.. to be fair Im no longer in dynasty or Keepers leagues. 1 $ standard league team so his name alone can still fetch something with a few guys in my league. You're right though in terms of people shying away.. esp if he doesnt put up decent #s this week. Schedule actually looks decent for AJ and the passing game from here on out.Packers, Ravens, Bills can all be thrown on. Bears is a tougher matchup. Then you have the Jags, Lions, Titans. My only fear is that the Texans pound the rock if they get a sizable lead in the easier matchups which would hurt. I think if AJ has a nice game Sunday then it might be wise to deal him but if someone held him for those first 3 games and he produces obviously his value will fetch more on the open market. What Im actually hoping for which like you said is a gamble.
Kenny Powers
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Im also surprised how only a couple of people have mentioned that it was Cromartie who shut him down. While he may gamble more than some CB's, the guy is still a stud. Wouldnt surprise me at all if they saw something in how HOU has utilized AJ so far this year on tape and that gave him an advantage.Im still a little worried about injuries, but a flexible snap count is promising on that front. I dont think AJ has a shot to be a Top 5 WR this yr - mostly based on usage - but I think he has a chance at WR1 territory and is still a lock to be a Top 20 WR if he stays healthy.
Sir Psycho
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Coach Gary Kubiak said he's "got to a better job of getting [Andre Johnson] involved."Over the last four games, Johnson is averaging 2.2 catches for 41.0 yards with one touchdown. His 31 targets on the season rank 50th in the league, a reminder that the Texans run to win now and often take the air out of the ball while nursing leads. "Other guys are making plays because of Andre, I can tell you that, because they're paying so much attention to him, but still need to get him more involved with what we're doing, so that's my responsibility," Kubiak said. The Texans figure to need some extra scoring against the Packers this Sunday night. Oct 10 - 8:32 AMSource: HoustonTexans.com
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I read into that about as much as a drunk sitting at a bar saying how he really needs to cut back on his drinking. In other words, Kubiak isn't going to deviate too much from what he likes and that is running the ball.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
This Packers game feels like it's going to be a shootout. If you're going to sell Johnson, wait until next week.
djjosee
Footballguy
Funny, I sold him yesterday and the Packer game was my main selling point.
jdoggydogg
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Shutout
Footballguy
I'm not sure a lot of people factor ral life into the equation sometimes when they talk up/down players. I don't know how much you guys that have posted on AJ being slow and embarrased and frustrated watch the Texans week in and week out, but I can tell you, you're dead wrong on this assessment. What happened Monday night was what the Texans do: They match their strength against other team's weaknesses. The Texans run the ball very well and the Jets can't stop anyone against the run. Just my opinion, but what I saw monday night was AJ taking the Jet's best and most athletic defender out of the equation against the run game. The Texans know that without the suport from the secondary, they can make Harris bite and miss when they cut back, opening up lanes on the outside of either guard. Aj is not dead, guys. He's just being used in real life. This is a hungry team with a great focus on what it takes to contend this year. Is is affecting AJ's fantasy value? Sure. But I definitely wouldn't bet against him having a nice stretch that is typical him this year. There is a difference between can and can't do it any longer. AJ is not to that point.
Maven
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I hear what you're saying but I dont believe that theory to be true. Just go back and watch the game. For starters, Cromartie is not the best of tacklers or a threat to tackle (See last years whiff on Tebow and many other tackling gaffs). Secondly, Cromartie blanketed Andre all night. When they'd show the 1 on 1 battle, Cromartie was with AJ stride for stride. AJ looked slow off his release and sloppy out his breaks. Schaub tried to get it to him but he just wasnt getting open or creating seperation. I think thats the key there, ... what made Andre so great was his size strength and quickness to seperate from defenders off his routes. He was man handled by Cro ..dirty.. IMO.With the way Hou is winning games, they are getting up big early and running the ball late. Thats a recipe for limited opportunities in the passing game. Add to the fact that Schaub is not that great of a passing threat inside the redzone...and Andre still has 1 redzone target to date thru 5 weeks with no history of double digit touchdowns, his upside is limited. He was drafted as a top 10 wr in most leagues. With the way HOU is playing, he will not come close to top 10. Most of Andres value comes from his yardage totals, and thats absent this year. I just think this is a new Texans team with a new identity. No longer do they need to pass every 3 out of 4 downs because they have two great running backs and a solid defense...whereas in times past that was missing.
Area51Inhabitant
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Cromartie was not on AJ all night. They were moving Cro around quite a bit. Cro actually got beaten by Daniels pretty badly on the first td and was playing very soft vs Walter on two of his catches. They had opportunities to get the ball to AJ but he just didn't seem to be a major part of their gameplan.
Maven
Footballguy
ehhhh I dunno about that. I'd like to see the snap count of Cro on AJ? I'd bet it was in the 80%-90% range and I'm pretty sure he was defending him on all 6 of his targets but i may be wrong.
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