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I don't subscribe to get the NFL Films feed from the games but I would imagine that would tell us quite a bit about how AJ was being defended throughout the game. If anyone has seen the NFL Films feed, maybe they could do a breakdown for us?'Maven said:
That should be #1, not #7.
Well.. other than last year's set back he only missed 3 games in the 3 seasons proir. My major concern with AJ is the Texans philosophy on offense. Schaub has the most passes of 20+ yards in the league the last few years combined so at least thats a sign that the big play ability still exist. Guess offensive philosophy combined with the superior defense is my #1 reason on why AJ isnt going to put up 1300+ season but I still see a guy that could bring 1,000 and 6-7 TDs. Not #1 WR stats but at the position I got him in the draft Im not complaining.
This is a more direct way of saying what I was trying to say. Basically, I'm saying that I think ALL week, the texans knew what they were going to do in this game and AJ knew he wasn't going to be a factor. So, he did his job and pulled the defense away and all but if he looked frustrated or slow to us it's because he was simply doing what he needed to do and wasn't going full tilt. We may say that's lazy or he should have put forth more effort "selling" the plays then, but lets be realistic: if you are told all week and practice all week knowing all you have to do as your role is x, then that's what you do. You don't go out screaming like a banshee as fast as you can. If you do that, you might pull a hamstring or over extend a joint or the defense might drop into zone and NOT run with you But the texans wanted to draw the guys out so, whether that was what they intended or not (I don't know for certain), what they did was perfect if their intention was to run the ball.AJ just got moving and Cro ran himself out of every play, all night. Go back and look at the jets secondary and look at how many tackles the entire secondary made. Bell has always been a box player and he maintains that role specifically but aside from him, that entire secondary had like 5 tackles on the whole night. Normally, in any game, you will see more than that just by default. It was a really low number.'Area51Inhabitant said:
I traded...Andre Johnson & Chris Johnsonfor Miles Austin, Andre Brown & James JonesHappy to be rid of both the Johnson brothers
Had to do something!
LOL. I just saw this. Why stop there? Maybe he won't want to live anymore, either.
I offered this and was quickly refused in a non ppr redraft. Offered up Mendenhall, the owner is weighing that offer currently.
I just offered sjax for aj in ppr and was turned down.
Physical. Not seeing as much of the plays where he is getting hit in stride and has separation (don't really know if that is an AJ issue or Shaub issue because none of the Texans seem to be hit in stride anymore). But he looks just as physical after the catch as always.
After watching the game last night, Andre is still a very good WR. He runs solid routes and has good hands. His speed is still good but not what it used to be. He does not look as explosive or quick.
Andre has had a number of hammy and leg issues. Seems like it has taken away his burst.
Defensive coordinators disagree with you. They had two guys shadowing Johnson all game last night and he still managed to get eight grabs. He may not be the 22 year old Johnson, but he still look like a beast to me.
I wish some of the DCs around the league would adopt the thinking some of our "shell of former self" posters have. But, you know, this is really to be expected. I spent the last 2-3 years watching people call Reggie Wayne too old, and before that it was Steve Smith, and before that it was Randy Moss when he came from Oakland. A LOT of the time, its really more about situation than it is these guys suddenly waking up 10 years older.
8 grabs within 10 yards of the los. He just looks more like a tight end out there these days.
Horrible examples, you're reaching. He doesn't have the body type of any of those guys, that's the problem. Think Antonio Gates."It's really more about situation". lol
I think its called "taking what is given". No one is going to let AJ run free deep anymore. I can't remember a time he didn't have help over the top. Also, Last night, there was no run game to even try to set up the play-action and they obviously can't boot-leg against a team like the Packers. I think its a little bit more than just the stats from last night.
There's nothing available over the top. The defense puts a defender there whose only job is the prevent the old man from getting open deep. Think about it. Why are they wasting an entire man to do that if Johnson no longer has burst?I agree with the poster who said he wishes at least one of the defensive coordinators that Johnson plays would buy into the 'shell of his former self' idea and single cover the guy.
Did defenses just start doing that this year?
The Texans used to pass a lot more than they do now. They had a horrible defense. Johnson had a lot of targets last night and a lot of catches. Because their defense finally wasn't locking down the other team. Johnson used to be the first or second WR drafted. He isn't anymore. LIke I said earlier, he's not the 22 year-old Andre Johnson. But he is still a freak of nature and will bite owners in the ### if they bench him. Schaub over threw him in the end zone last night (on another double team). Had he put that one foot lower, Johnson ends up with 15 more yards and a score. I thought he looked good last night.
And who else would they be doubling? Walters, Martin, Foster out of the backfield? They have to cover somebody.
They could put that extra double-teamer on the line to solidify against Foster. The Texans are run-first and have one of teh league's best run games. Im sure the defensive coordinator isn't putting a safety over top to help with A.J. just because he has an extra guy.
You are over thinking this. You need to start crunching numbers and understand what is/has transpired and make an educated guess as to what the Texans will do going forward. Right now I believe you are wrong and I will explain why.AJ is easily still a top 10 WR in the league. He has had some injuries and although he may not be the blazing beast he was 10 years ago he has not lost as much of a step as you think he has. AJ's targets and Yards Per Catch the last 4 years...In 2008, 171 targets, 10.7 targets per game, 13.7 ypc In 2009, 170 targets, 10.6 targets per game, 15.5 ypcIn 2010, 138 targets in 13 games so 10.6 targets per game, 14.1Last year in 2011, it is skewed as he only played 6 games, but in a couple of those games he only played a quarter of those games before going down to injuries, however he still averaged 8.5 targets per game (it would have been at 10 had he played full games), 14.9 ypc-Andre Johnson career YPC is 13.7 ypc.-Over his career AJ has caught anywhere from 58 to 61% of the balls that come his way.Now this year tell me what number is just a little off to start the year.-AJ ypc 14.3-Catching 59% of his passes-His targets 7 per game on pace for 112Now look at the box score and tell me when AJ got his normal targets per game of around 10 targets per game tell me how AJ faired.game 1 - 8 catches 119 yards, 1 td, 10 targets game 2 - 3 catches 21 yards, 0 td, 4 targets game 3 - 2 catcehs 72 yards, 1 td, 4 targets game 3 - 3 catches 56 yards, 0 td, 6 targets game 5 - 1 catch 15 yards, 0 td, 6 targets game 6 - 8 catches 75 yards, 0 td, 12 targetsSo in conclusion if AJ is targeted more as I am assuming he will end up being closer to his 10 targets a game vs the 7 he is on pace for now then you will see more of the AJ of old. His YPC is still fine and his catch percentage is still fine. Some people pretend as if they can tell how much of a step he has lost, but if you look deeper than you will realize it is not as big of a reason as the decline as is the targets and the way the games have played out so far.Horrible examples, you're reaching. He doesn't have the body type of any of those guys, that's the problem. Think Antonio Gates."It's really more about situation". lol
They seemed to do fine without the extra man.
I agree. But not sure what that has to do with the thread topic.
He has clearly lost a step. Define "how much" however you'd like.The Texans will be grinding games out a lot more than they will be playing catch up early in the game. Yesterday was an outlier - not the 4-6 target games. They don't pass enough for him to be a WR1.
To some people, it's not possible that his targets are decreasing BECAUSE he's lost a step.
What about the games he received his normal average in targerts and did well with them? Had he lost the step when he was getting those targets? His YPC would truly drop if he had lost a step too would it not (as earlier noted this year is higher than his career average)? His catch percentage would also drop as well seeing as how he has lost that step too right (he is at his average)? None of those things are happening though. The Texans had been winning games easily prior to last nigth and when the game called for Houston to pass more he received the targets. The coach also said all week that AJ has to receive more targets and be a bigger part of the game plan and he was. There will be more games where they will need AJ than not and as mentioned the targets will be closer to his 10 per game than 7.I am not arguing that AJ may not be as quick or as explosive as he once was. But he is still a top 10 WR in the league and unless he ends up with an injury this year (which is a possibiltiy with him) he will still get his numbers by seasons end.
To some people, less FF points = lost step. Last night was pretty much the first time the Texans have trailed in a game. Kubiak is obviously a very conservative coach. He rarely goes for it on 4th down, always content to settle for a field goal in 3rd and long situations, didn't want to get points at the end of the half last night... So why would he throw the ball enough to get AJ 10+ targets a game? Just not going to happen, but the less astute fantasy footballers will scream that he's lost a step and that's why this is happening. Nevermind his stats line up perfectly with his historical stats on a per target basis.
Hahaha, yeah, they look like they were practically separated at birth! Go back to kindergarten. You're just making a fool of yourself now.
I don't own Johnson, so I have no idea what his stats are like, aside from what has been posted in this thread, and what I notice when I watch. But I have to question anyone claiming Johnson hasn't lost a step. He VERY CLEARLY doesn't have the 4.3 speed anymore. He is still a great WR, still getting double teamed at a very high rate, and still capable for putting up great numbers when given the chance. But this offense isn't going to give him that chance, often.To some people, less FF points = lost step. Last night was pretty much the first time the Texans have trailed in a game. Kubiak is obviously a very conservative coach. He rarely goes for it on 4th down, always content to settle for a field goal in 3rd and long situations, didn't want to get points at the end of the half last night... So why would he throw the ball enough to get AJ 10+ targets a game? Just not going to happen, but the less astute fantasy footballers will scream that he's lost a step and that's why this is happening. Nevermind his stats line up perfectly with his historical stats on a per target basis.
That's what I said about ten post up and someone said it was a horrible comparison, so be careful. Someone is waiting to tell you that type of statement is irrelevant compared to their scientific "lost a step" statement.But, yeah, for those of us that will dare to question whether a guy has lost a step, despite the fact that his YPC and target numbers/production are still in correlation with his history, excuse us if we don't accept the counter-argument based solely on the vague statement of "lost a step".
