Time to Sell Andre Johnson (1 Viewer)

[kinghill]

Prior to today, Andre Johnson was the #38 ranked WR in non-ppr leagues, in the neighborhood of Lance Moore, Nate Washington, and Steve Smith.

He rocketed up to #14 after today's 33 point performance.

He was drafted as a Top 5 WR.

 

[Biabreakable]

Andre Johnson just put up the highest yardage in his career. I would not say he has lost anything skill/ability wise when he can do this.

What is more surprising is that Jacksonville with Henne at QB did enough damage to the Texan defense that such a big game from Andre was actually needed for them to win. Blackmon had a sick game himself.

People who bought Johnson cheep during the season should be very happy right now as he seems to be getting hot at just the right time (heading into FF playoffs).

 

[Warrior]

Prior to today, Andre Johnson was the #38 ranked WR in non-ppr leagues, in the neighborhood of Lance Moore, Nate Washington, and Steve Smith.He rocketed up to #14 after today's 33 point performance.He was drafted as a Top 5 WR.

And in PPR?Or did you leave that out because it doesn't support your argument?

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Prior to today, Andre Johnson was the #38 ranked WR in non-ppr leagues, in the neighborhood of Lance Moore, Nate Washington, and Steve Smith.He rocketed up to #14 after today's 33 point performance.He was drafted as a Top 5 WR.

And in PPR?Or did you leave that out because it doesn't support your argument?

He was near 30 in PPR at best. I know, I own him. That said, he hasn't left my line-up for better or worse.

 

[kinghill]

Prior to today, Andre Johnson was the #38 ranked WR in non-ppr leagues, in the neighborhood of Lance Moore, Nate Washington, and Steve Smith.He rocketed up to #14 after today's 33 point performance.He was drafted as a Top 5 WR.

And in PPR?Or did you leave that out because it doesn't support your argument?

Argument? I was simply stating facts.

 

[SacramentoBob]

You are over thinking this. You need to start crunching numbers and understand what is/has transpired and make an educated guess as to what the Texans will do going forward. Right now I believe you are wrong and I will explain why.AJ is easily still a top 10 WR in the league. He has had some injuries and although he may not be the blazing beast he was 10 years ago he has not lost as much of a step as you think he has. AJ's targets and Yards Per Catch the last 4 years...In 2008, 171 targets, 10.7 targets per game, 13.7 ypc In 2009, 170 targets, 10.6 targets per game, 15.5 ypcIn 2010, 138 targets in 13 games so 10.6 targets per game, 14.1Last year in 2011, it is skewed as he only played 6 games, but in a couple of those games he only played a quarter of those games before going down to injuries, however he still averaged 8.5 targets per game (it would have been at 10 had he played full games), 14.9 ypc-Andre Johnson career YPC is 13.7 ypc.-Over his career AJ has caught anywhere from 58 to 61% of the balls that come his way.Now this year tell me what number is just a little off to start the year.-AJ ypc 14.3-Catching 59% of his passes-His targets 7 per game on pace for 112Now look at the box score and tell me when AJ got his normal targets per game of around 10 targets per game tell me how AJ faired.game 1 - 8 catches 119 yards, 1 td, 10 targets game 2 - 3 catches 21 yards, 0 td, 4 targets game 3 - 2 catcehs 72 yards, 1 td, 4 targets game 3 - 3 catches 56 yards, 0 td, 6 targets game 5 - 1 catch 15 yards, 0 td, 6 targets game 6 - 8 catches 75 yards, 0 td, 12 targetsSo in conclusion if AJ is targeted more as I am assuming he will end up being closer to his 10 targets a game vs the 7 he is on pace for now then you will see more of the AJ of old. His YPC is still fine and his catch percentage is still fine. Some people pretend as if they can tell how much of a step he has lost, but if you look deeper than you will realize it is not as big of a reason as the decline as is the targets and the way the games have played out so far.

He has clearly lost a step. Define "how much" however you'd like.The Texans will be grinding games out a lot more than they will be playing catch up early in the game. Yesterday was an outlier - not the 4-6 target games. They don't pass enough for him to be a WR1.

To some people, it's not possible that his targets are decreasing BECAUSE he's lost a step.

THIS is WHY you DONT overREACT based on a few games without 12 targets and 100/tdHTH

Thank you.

Yes, we definitely shouldn't overreact based on a game or two.

 

[SacramentoBob]

8 catches for 118 yards on 10 targets.It appears he is just fine.

Still fine?

Yeah. He was targeted heavily in a sloppy game. Missed by inches on a 20 yard or so post route. Not sure what people expect from WR's anymore. Seems like if a guy doesnt go for 150/2, he's a bum.

This would be a fair criticism if he wasn't currently WR30 something.

I thought you were busy trolling Ryan Mathews thread. Apparently you are making trolling a full time gig.

You can't stand being wrong, can you? Which is odd since you're wrong a lot.

 

[FF Ninja]

8 catches for 118 yards on 10 targets.It appears he is just fine.

Still fine?

Yeah. He was targeted heavily in a sloppy game. Missed by inches on a 20 yard or so post route. Not sure what people expect from WR's anymore. Seems like if a guy doesnt go for 150/2, he's a bum.

This would be a fair criticism if he wasn't currently WR30 something.

I thought you were busy trolling Ryan Mathews thread. Apparently you are making trolling a full time gig.

You can't stand being wrong, can you? Which is odd since you're wrong a lot.

How am I wrong? And what have you been right about? That Jackie Battle is a stud? His 4 rushes for -3 yards sure were impressive. Scamper back under your bridge, troll.

 

[Shutout]

I wonder if those who were preaching he was done being a great WR or saying he has lost a step will chime in now?

Yeah, I'm interested in that too.So, really what we all have learned now is that AJ obviously isn't dead and washed up.More importantly, I think what we need to recognize from this is that this is the type of use we were used to seeing when the Texans weren't as good and what has changed now is Foster just came off a 29 carry performance and they now have a game in just 4 days. They used Forsett a lot more yesterday too and limited Foster. So, IMO, I think its clear that we can expect game plans with AJ much more involved in these types of situations. So, if they run Foster heavily in a game, might be a good cue for AJ following. Just something to think about.

 

[Franknbeans]

full grown man

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I wonder if those who were preaching he was done being a great WR or saying he has lost a step will chime in now?

Yeah, I'm interested in that too.So, really what we all have learned now is that AJ obviously isn't dead and washed up.More importantly, I think what we need to recognize from this is that this is the type of use we were used to seeing when the Texans weren't as good and what has changed now is Foster just came off a 29 carry performance and they now have a game in just 4 days. They used Forsett a lot more yesterday too and limited Foster. So, IMO, I think its clear that we can expect game plans with AJ much more involved in these types of situations. So, if they run Foster heavily in a game, might be a good cue for AJ following. Just something to think about.

To me it is more so the Texans will do whatever it is in order to win games. AJ proved that he is still an elite WR in this league. Yesterday showed he is capable of being elite when given the opportunity to produce elite numbers (lots of targets). I have remained consistent with that argument from the start of this thread. What bothered me was those who were clearly looking at box scores to make an assesment on AJ. It was clear to those who were watching him that "his losing a step" was greatly exaggerated. AJ is 31, he is not over the hill; he is a more physical Reggie Wayne. Wayne at 34 is putting up elite numbers due to situation and opportunity. This makes AJ still valuable now and for the next few years. Elite WR's like Wayne and AJ can still get it done when given the targets and of course as long as they have above average QB play giving them a chance to make plays. Wayne fell off last year due to some of the worst QB play in Indy. You are seeing inconsistency from another guy in Larry Fitzgerald who at 29 years of age is still very much in his prime but is not even on pace for 1000 yards. Has Fitz lost a step? The answer is no. It is easy to say someone has lost a step but when you take everything into account it can tell you a lot more of the story. Now, what we have to remember is that in fantasy we care about the numbers as that is what gives us wins. So when drafting AJ next year, you have to remember that although he is an elite WR and talent still (even at 32 years of age when next season starts) he may not produce truly elite numbers week in and week out due to game plan and situation. However barring injury he has as good a chance as most WR's to be a top 12 guy (wr 1 in fantasy). What had made AJ great was his consistency and his ppg averages. It has began to be more balanced than the first half of this season which is exactly what many of us had been claiming this whole thread.

 

[lod01]

Exactly. No reason Andre can't play to age 35 or 36 if not longer. He keeps himself in great shape. If Owens can play that long Andre can.

Tim Brown - 1000 yard seasons up to age 35.

Owens - 1000 yard seasons up to 35.

He is elite. Anyone thinking he was even close to done, just looked at the stats and not the game.

 

[jsharlan]

This is not hard to figure out. For one of the few times all year, the Texans were down big and abandoned the run. There will be games coming up when they run it all game again and AJ won't do much. Its just the nature of the offense. Everyone is holding him to his standard from a few years ago when he was the only talent on the team. The rest of the Texans have caught up with him in the last 2 years. Andre hasn't dropped off, they just don't need him like before. He helps the team by pulling a safety to his side so Owen Daniels and Graham tear up the middle on play action. His production will continue to be inconsistent, especially TDs because they clamp down on him in the red zone.

 

[JuniorNB]

This is not hard to figure out. For one of the few times all year, the Texans were down big and abandoned the run

Johnson had three catches for 74 yards on the game's opening drive. He was obviously more included in the game plan and it wasn't just a result of them being down.

 

[Maven]

Jags suck. This was obviously an aberration

 

[JuniorNB]

Jags suck. This was obviously an aberration

Yeah. He's never had a big game before. You're probably right.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

The rest of the NFL must have lost 2 steps if AJ has lost a step this year.

 

[Ned]

Jags suck. This was obviously an aberration

#hegotluckyagain

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Jags suck. This was obviously an aberration

#hegotluckyagain

Well if you take away his 1 I mean 2 big games and his 2 other 100 plus yard games, and take away a td and he has definitely lost a step and he can no longer be a beast in the NFL.I guess he has not fallen off that cliff quite yet. Maybe next year.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

Well if you take away his 1 I mean 2 big games and his 2 other 100 plus yard games, and take away a td and he has definitely lost a step and he can no longer be a beast in the NFL.I guess he has not fallen off that cliff quite yet. Maybe next year.

Like I wrote several weeks ago.. the schedule in the 2nd half was nice match up wise. I dealt him last week because I want a player who's going to see TDs. That being said, as long as the Texans D keeps playing bad the offense will continue to throw which is good news for AJ owners.More nice matchups coming so he's definitely going to rack up the yards I expect.

 

[Hendo]

Money in the bank for the sharks who bought the sellers... sweet looking playoff schedule to boot.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

Money in the bank for the sharks who bought the sellers... sweet looking playoff schedule to boot.

I dont exactly agree because I dont think many expected the Texans D to play this bad recently. The schedule did lead to the assumption that yards would be there for AJ but without the defense giving up points the targets wouldnt have.I dealt AJ for Cobb and Im comfortable with it. I'd rather have a guy who can bring in a TD weekly than depending on yards. In saying that.. I wouldnt mind 150 yards weekly either. Those who bought AJ at a decent price.. congrats. I dont think I sold him low though like others Ive read.

 

[silentcoach]

Money in the bank for the sharks who bought the sellers... sweet looking playoff schedule to boot.

I dont exactly agree because I dont think many expected the Texans D to play this bad recently. The schedule did lead to the assumption that yards would be there for AJ but without the defense giving up points the targets wouldnt have.

I dealt AJ for Cobb and Im comfortable with it. I'd rather have a guy who can bring in a TD weekly than depending on yards. In saying that.. I wouldnt mind 150 yards weekly either. Those who bought AJ at a decent price.. congrats. I dont think I sold him low though like others Ive read.

??? Sorry, but this makes little sense. Touchdowns have a higher variance.

 

[cobalt_27]

Money in the bank for the sharks who bought the sellers... sweet looking playoff schedule to boot.

I dont exactly agree because I dont think many expected the Texans D to play this bad recently. The schedule did lead to the assumption that yards would be there for AJ but without the defense giving up points the targets wouldnt have.I dealt AJ for Cobb and Im comfortable with it. I'd rather have a guy who can bring in a TD weekly than depending on yards. In saying that.. I wouldnt mind 150 yards weekly either. Those who bought AJ at a decent price.. congrats. I dont think I sold him low though like others Ive read.

You obviously sold low, but it's good you have found your own story to resolve the dissonance.

 

[Maven]

Lmao @ people excited over two games. Whatever it takes to justify you spending a top 2 or 3 pick on him. He's definitely underperformed this year as much as you all would not love to admit. Not the consistent week to week Andre we've all known

 

[Hendo]

Lmao @ people excited over two games. Whatever it takes to justify you spending a top 2 or 3 pick on him. He's definitely underperformed this year as much as you all would not love to admit. Not the consistent week to week Andre we've all known

Eh... I have every right to be excited. I never drafted him but bought low on him three weeks ago with everyone jumping ship. Hes still a fantastic player and looks consistent enough to me thus far. Making shark moves on players with elite skill wins leagues and theres a lot of people who think AJ still has it including myself. You dont roll up 270+ and drop 150+ this week with years of proven ability by laughing it off either. Im guessing you sold him low... so the laughs on you?

 

[gadkins]

Loving my Sam Bradford for Andre Johnson trade.

 

[weebs]

Wow talk about trade rape

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Lmao @ people excited over two games. Whatever it takes to justify you spending a top 2 or 3 pick on him. He's definitely underperformed this year as much as you all would not love to admit. Not the consistent week to week Andre we've all known

The fact that you can't admit you were dreadfully wrong makes you look foolish.

 

[DropKick]

Lmao @ people excited over two games. Whatever it takes to justify you spending a top 2 or 3 pick on him. He's definitely underperformed this year as much as you all would not love to admit. Not the consistent week to week Andre we've all known

In his last six games, he is averaging almost 9 receptions per game. Loving that in PPR. Now, what would you like me to admit?

 

[Wombat x]

Lmao @ people excited over two games. Whatever it takes to justify you spending a top 2 or 3 pick on him. He's definitely underperformed this year as much as you all would not love to admit. Not the consistent week to week Andre we've all known

He hasn't been worth a top 2-3 pick but he sure as hell has been a lot better than a lot of guys taken up there. WR are always inconsistent. 450 yards in two weeks bro. Laugh your ### off all the way to the bank.

 

[cstu]

Lmao @ people excited over two games. Whatever it takes to justify you spending a top 2 or 3 pick on him. He's definitely underperformed this year as much as you all would not love to admit. Not the consistent week to week Andre we've all known

Since week 6 he's the #1 WR.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

Lmao @ people excited over two games. Whatever it takes to justify you spending a top 2 or 3 pick on him. He's definitely underperformed this year as much as you all would not love to admit. Not the consistent week to week Andre we've all known

Since week 6 he's the #1 WR.

BOOM

 

[Ned]

Lmao @ people excited over two games. Whatever it takes to justify you spending a top 2 or 3 pick on him. He's definitely underperformed this year as much as you all would not love to admit. Not the consistent week to week Andre we've all known

Since week 6 he's the #1 WR.

Yeah, but his variance is terrible. From 7.5 to 47.3 points is horrible. You can't start guys that inconsistent.

 

[Nugget]

Lmao @ people excited over two games. Whatever it takes to justify you spending a top 2 or 3 pick on him. He's definitely underperformed this year as much as you all would not love to admit. Not the consistent week to week Andre we've all known

He's been fine for me - I took him at the 2-3 turn. He has been in that same category as Julio Jones and Victor Cruz, both drafted before him. Not as good as Brandon Marshall, but better than Fitz. I think his ADP is right in line with his performance and Houston has a schedule that will require more passing the 2nd half of the season.

 

[HurryUpSundays]

Lmao @ people excited over two games. Whatever it takes to justify you spending a top 2 or 3 pick on him. He's definitely underperformed this year as much as you all would not love to admit. Not the consistent week to week Andre we've all known

You should probably stop talking. I'm getting embarrassed for you.

 

[cobalt_27]

Lmao @ people excited over two games. Whatever it takes to justify you spending a top 2 or 3 pick on him. He's definitely underperformed this year as much as you all would not love to admit. Not the consistent week to week Andre we've all known

Sorry this post worked out so poorly for you. You're looking even more ridiculous with your revised story. But, please proceed. You seem to think you have something important to say.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

Money in the bank for the sharks who bought the sellers... sweet looking playoff schedule to boot.

I dont exactly agree because I dont think many expected the Texans D to play this bad recently. The schedule did lead to the assumption that yards would be there for AJ but without the defense giving up points the targets wouldnt have.I dealt AJ for Cobb and Im comfortable with it. I'd rather have a guy who can bring in a TD weekly than depending on yards. In saying that.. I wouldnt mind 150 yards weekly either. Those who bought AJ at a decent price.. congrats. I dont think I sold him low though like others Ive read.

You obviously sold low, but it's good you have found your own story to resolve the dissonance.

AJ for Cobb is selling low??? I traded him last week and am more than comfortable with the move. No need to be a pretentious D-Bag

 

[money.never.sleeps]

Money in the bank for the sharks who bought the sellers... sweet looking playoff schedule to boot.

I dont exactly agree because I dont think many expected the Texans D to play this bad recently. The schedule did lead to the assumption that yards would be there for AJ but without the defense giving up points the targets wouldnt have.

I dealt AJ for Cobb and Im comfortable with it. I'd rather have a guy who can bring in a TD weekly than depending on yards. In saying that.. I wouldnt mind 150 yards weekly either. Those who bought AJ at a decent price.. congrats. I dont think I sold him low though like others Ive read.

??? Sorry, but this makes little sense. Touchdowns have a higher variance.

1 player has scored a TD in 5/6.. the other has 1 in the last 8. Just find it hard to believe AJ will consistently rack up 120-130 yards consistently week in week out. The Texans D the last 2 games in which AJ went off has been awful to an extent thus the reason for them to keep throwing. The schedule looks great for Houston in terms of offense but GB's is nice to and Rodgers is on fire for several weeks now. Houston offensive philosophy is built around defense and running the ball so we'll see but Id rather own Cobb from here on out esp. if Jennings isnt back till late Dec. Houston is going to wrap up the #1 spot soon also.

I was defending AJ for weeks with actual insight and all of the sudden he goes off and you have people telling you whats what.. Happy to those who bought him 3-4 weeks ago but for anyone who thiks they saw this coming just stop

 

[Biabreakable]

Lmao @ people excited over two games. Whatever it takes to justify you spending a top 2 or 3 pick on him. He's definitely underperformed this year as much as you all would not love to admit. Not the consistent week to week Andre we've all known

2011 was Andre Johnson's worst season of his entire career. He struggled with a hamstring injury and only played in 7 games. He had surgurey in May 2012 and was still recovering. If anything this could be considered a comeback season compared to 2011.The knocks on Andre in years past has been the risk of injury with him as that has caused some inconsistency, also that Johnson has never had double digit TD's which takes him out of the running for #1 WR overall. Additionally the Texan offense with Foster as well as improved defense means that Johnson will not be needed as much as in years past.Most proponents of Johnson would not argue with you about the situation perhaps limiting his targets in games where they have a lead (often this season compared to years past) nor could they deny that Johnson has missed a lot of games due to injury. What they would argue, and why they drafted Johnson is because of his ppg numbers, which are some of the best of any WR over his career when one looks at it.Your contention that owners should be disappointed because of a lack of inconsistency is really strange. People did not draft Andre because of consistency, they drafted him because of his ability to take over games and pile up catches and yardage in big doses because of his elite talent.Your original argument that Johnson had declined because of his age, because he lost a step is something that early on in the season I could not be sure of. Andre missed a lot of time in 2011 which could have been a precursor to his decline. But now that he has performed at such a high level again I cannot agree with this assessment, the facts speak otherwise. Your argument now that people drafted Johnson because of his consistency is less plausible than your original argument because no one was drafting Johnson for his consistency. They drafted him for the big games he can put up when fully healthy.

 

[silentcoach]

Money in the bank for the sharks who bought the sellers... sweet looking playoff schedule to boot.

I dont exactly agree becauseI dont think many expected the Texans D to play this bad recently. The schedule did lead to the assumption that yards would be there for AJ but without the defense giving up points the targets wouldnt have.

I dealt AJ for Cobb and Im comfortable with it. I'd rather have a guy who can bring in a TD weekly than depending on yards. In saying that.. I wouldnt mind 150 yards weekly either. Those who bought AJ at a decent price.. congrats. I dont think I sold him low though like others Ive read.

??? Sorry, but this makes little sense. Touchdowns have a higher variance.

1 player has scored a TD in 5/6.. the other has 1 in the last 8. Just find it hard to believe AJ will consistently rack up 120-130 yards consistently week in week out. The Texans D the last 2 games in which AJ went off has been awful to an extent thus the reason for them to keep throwing. The schedule looks great for Houston in terms of offense but GB's is nice to and Rodgers is on fire for several weeks now. Houston offensive philosophy is built around defense and running the ball so we'll see but Id rather own Cobb from here on out esp. if Jennings isnt back till late Dec. Houston is going to wrap up the #1 spot soon also.

I was defending AJ for weeks with actual insight and all of the sudden he goes off and you have people telling you whats what.. Happy to those who bought him 3-4 weeks ago but for anyone who thiks they saw this coming just stop

Some of this is sound and some of it is not. The texans' defense was not bad against the Ravens and Bills and A.Johnson still managed 10 targets in EACH game. Heck he even averaged 9 targets versus the Bears. So, I'm not buying AJ receiving more targets because the Texans defense is bad.

Sure, having the texans play catchup will ENSURE that AJ sees high targets numbers but it doesn't seem like the texans playing good defense has resulted in significantly lower targets in the second half of the season.

I'd suggest two OT games have inflated his targets, but that's about it.

 

[Chazzhawk]

In redraft he is gold for this year, in dynasty/keeper sell him IMMEDIATELY if you aren't in contention, his value will never again be as high as it is right now.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

In redraft he is gold for this year, in dynasty/keeper sell him IMMEDIATELY if you aren't in contention, his value will never again be as high as it is right now.

Sure, his trade value won't be this high.But if he plays at a high level for three more years the odds are high you'll come out on the short side of any trade you might make today by quite a bit.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

Some of this is sound and some of it is not. The texans' defense was not bad against the Ravens and Bills and A.Johnson still managed 10 targets in EACH game. Heck he even averaged 9 targets versus the Bears. So, I'm not buying AJ receiving more targets because the Texans defense is bad.Sure, having the texans play catchup will ENSURE that AJ sees high targets numbers but it doesn't seem like the texans playing good defense has resulted in significantly lower targets in the second half of the season. I'd suggest two OT games have inflated his targets, but that's about it.

Once Kubiak came out and said he was going to get Johnson more involved his Targets basically doubled from GB on. All I was suggesting is that it does help his cause when the Texans are giving up an avg. of 34 the last 2 games. AJ had something like 3 rec. on 80 yards vs Detroit in the 1st half and didnt see much till end 3rd/4th. Believe on 1 drive in the 4th he had like 4 rec/60+ yards. Like I wrote countless times.. the schedule was there for production along with Kubiak saying what he did.. but to think anyone couldve predicted the recent explosion is nonsense. Johnson only saw 2 balls in OT vs Detroit (1 intercepted). 4 vs Jags in OTIm curious to see what happens in the next few weeks because the matchups suggest he'll continue racking up targets/yards but will the Houston D show up to where they run more at games end.This week is the 1st since he's been off my roster. Maybe Cobb/Luck/Murray for AJ/Wallace/Ballard will bite me but I have no problem saying I jumped the gun.

 

[silentcoach]

Some of this is sound and some of it is not.

The texans' defense was not bad against the Ravens and Bills and A.Johnson still managed 10 targets in EACH game. Heck he even averaged 9 targets versus the Bears. So, I'm not buying AJ receiving more targets because the Texans defense is bad.

Sure, having the texans play catchup will ENSURE that AJ sees high targets numbers but it doesn't seem like the texans playing good defense has resulted in significantly lower targets in the second half of the season.

I'd suggest two OT games have inflated his targets, but that's about it.

Once Kubiak came out and said he was going to get Johnson more involved his Targets basically doubled from GB on.[b/] All I was suggesting is that it does help his cause when the Texans are giving up an avg. of 34 the last 2 games. AJ had something like 3 rec. on 80 yards vs Detroit in the 1st half and didnt see much till end 3rd/4th. Believe on 1 drive in the 4th he had like 4 rec/60+ yards. Like I wrote countless times.. the schedule was there for production along with Kubiak saying what he did.. but to think anyone couldve predicted the recent explosion is nonsense.

Johnson only saw 2 balls in OT vs Detroit (1 intercepted). 4 vs Jags in OT

Im curious to see what happens in the next few weeks because the matchups suggest he'll continue racking up targets/yards but will the Houston D show up to where they run more at games end.

This week is the 1st since he's been off my roster. Maybe Cobb/Luck/Murray for AJ/Wallace/Ballard will bite me but I have no problem saying I jumped the gun.

I already pointed out in my previous post that AJ received 10, 10, and 9 against teams when they were NOT playing catchup, so what you're curious about is not really data based curiousity, unless you are assuming Kubiak goes back on his word and reverts back to the first half of the season, which i guess is possible. Whether AJ gets his targets at the start, or the end of the game is mostly irrelevant, as long as he GETS the targets.

All you can hope for are the targets. What AJ does with them, is up to him.

But you're right, I did not know AJ would blow up stat wise like he did the last two weeks, but the TREND in targets has been there for a few weeks (since the GB game like you pointed out). Therefore, those who sold before the GB game are not at fault, as long as they did not sell terribly low.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

But you're right

Couldve just skipped all the typing and went straight to the bottom line but feel free to continue arguing with yourself

 

[Maven]

LOL Andre owners were quiet 9 of his 11 games... Now they want to talk with their chest out. Get real man... He's been good these last two weeks but many many scouts said he was done. I wasn't the only one. Obviously he still has these games left in him but , again I reiterate.... THIS IS NOT THE ANDRE YOU EXPECTED THIS SEASON WHEN YOU USED A HIGH 2-3 PICK ON HIM. He's been shutdown plenty of games this season by lesser talented DBS. You assume no one was able to flip him for something better?

I myself traded him straight up for Hakeem nicks, who's been trash but then flipped him and Eli plus another player for Aaron Rodgers and Jennings... So it all worked for me

 

[FF Ninja]

LOL Andre owners were quiet 9 of his 11 games... Now they want to talk with their chest out. Get real man... He's been good these last two weeks but many many scouts said he was done. I wasn't the only one. Obviously he still has these games left in him but , again I reiterate.... THIS IS NOT THE ANDRE YOU EXPECTED THIS SEASON WHEN YOU USED A HIGH 2-3 PICK ON HIM. He's been shutdown plenty of games this season by lesser talented DBS. You assume no one was able to flip him for something better?

I myself traded him straight up for Hakeem nicks, who's been trash but then flipped him and Eli plus another player for Aaron Rodgers and Jennings... So it all worked for me

A guy who is on pace for about 100/1500? Haha, what a putz... keep putting your foot in your mouth. No scouts said he was done. He's only 31! Just start a new account and move on.

 

[silentcoach]

But you're right

Couldve just skipped all the typing and went straight to the bottom line but feel free to continue arguing with yourself

Let's just make sure you're never a lawyer or your client would be in trouble . Yes, the exact output was perhaps on the more extreme side, but you could see that with the targets his production would come. So, again, if you sold before the GB game, and you did not sell low, then everything is okay (looking back of course). But the trend in targets, granted after the GB game, showed bigger games were coming--of course knowing HOW big is a whole different argument. (this is where i agree you were right, not that he wasn't going to have big games, but that I didn't think he'd blow up this much). Those hating on AJ, or those hating on those that now are rejoicing with AJ are trying to rationalize why they sold when they sold. No big deal. Would I have sold AJ for Cobb, I don't know, maybe. In fact, if I did, I would not care what others thought. Nor would I care that AJ i blowing up now, because he would no longer be on my team.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

But you're right

Couldve just skipped all the typing and went straight to the bottom line but feel free to continue arguing with yourself

Let's just make sure you're never a lawyer or your client would be in trouble . Yes, the exact output was perhaps on the more extreme side, but you could see that with the targets his production would come. So, again, if you sold before the GB game, and you did not sell low, then everything is okay (looking back of course).

But the trend in targets, granted after the GB game, showed bigger games were coming--of course knowing HOW big is a whole different argument. (this is where i agree you were right, not that he wasn't going to have big games, but that I didn't think he'd blow up this much).

Those hating on AJ, or those hating on those that now are rejoicing with AJ are trying to rationalize why they sold when they sold. No big deal.

Would I have sold AJ for Cobb, I don't know, maybe. In fact, if I did, I would not care what others thought. Nor would I care that AJ i blowing up now, because he would no longer be on my team.

This, and also when you actually watched him he did not look slow or like he had lost a step. He was getting open a lot, so it was only a matter of time before the consistency came. I proved it many posts ago that when the targets were there even early on in the season that his catch percentage and ypc were right on par with his career averages.