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Instinctive
Footballguy
Yes. Plan to drive as well. CalTrain/Bus/BART all seems like too big a pain, and I hate public transit anyway.
Jack White
Footballguy
Craig Sager back on TNT as league-leading scorer Russell Westbrook goes for fifth straight double-double at the United Center!
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Triple-double.
Westbrook was awesome as Bodie on the Wire.
Westbrook was awesome as Bodie on the Wire.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Me too, but I took the BART to ATT Park this Fall from Concord when I was out there and I'm glad I did.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I'd take CalTrain to ATT Park easily. But I'm nowhere near a BART stop and it would be a terrible pain to get there.
Anyway, derailed the thread enough. Was just hoping for an idea of whether dinner near Oracle was realistic.
Hoping this game goes way better than the 20 point blown lead last time...
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
WOW. E'twaun Moore for 3! Nice play call by Thibs
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No. 16
Footballguy
No idea. I usually just eat before at home or at the arena. There's not really too many options near by other than Hegenburger (local burger spot), Denny's, Panada, In N Out.
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got_nugs
Footballguy
"OK GUYS, HUDDLE UP. My name is Scott Brooks and I have an awesome play drawn up here. 2 seconds left. Down 2. Lets hand the ball off to Russ 30 ft away from the basket. We have a timeout left but definitely don't call it if it looks like Russ is going to be doubled-remember there's only 2 seconds left. Ready? BREAK!"
Jack White
Footballguy
What a game.
Gotta give my Bulls a ton of credit for hanging in, coming back and winning late with three of their top six players injured.
Mirotic is for real.
Jack White
Footballguy
Nope, that's on the players. Great defense by the Bulls, questionable decision by the Thunder inbound man.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
If I had to guess who the others are:
MJ
Pippen
Gilmore
Jay Williams
Kenny Reeves
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
You could overshoot and go to fruitvale and hit farolito for mexican food. But yeah, there really isnt anything near the stadium.No. 16 said:
Raider Nation
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Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
Portland’s Wesley Matthews suffered a left torn Achilles tendon and will miss the rest of season, a league source tells Yahoo Sports.
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Portland’s Wesley Matthews suffered a left torn Achilles tendon and will miss the rest of season, a league source tells Yahoo Sports.
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Short Corner
Footballguy
Capella said:Short Corner said:his PER is almost THIRTY. It's crazy the lengths people will go to to discredit great play.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Fariq said:
Short Corner
Footballguy
Kev4029
Footballguy
That's a bummer, he was playing great this year and he was in line for a nice big contract this offseason.
Jack White
Footballguy
Without Durant, who else is supposed to shoot and score for the Thunder?Capella said:Short Corner said:
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Jack White
Footballguy
Short Corner
Footballguy
Is this a trick question?Without Durant, who else is supposed to shoot and score for the Thunder?Capella said:Short Corner said:
Kev4029
Footballguy
Arron Afflalo and not much else behind him. Maybe CJ McCollum finally gets some run.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Thats brutal. Theyre playing like contenders.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
He's undeniably awesome.Capella said:Short Corner said:
But I'm gonna need someone to explain to me why he's suddenly a betteR MVP candidate than Anthony Davis. Davis has the higher PER, higher true shooting %, higher win shares and WS/48, is clearly the more impactful defender if you don't trust advanced stats on defense, plays a position where the NBA depth is far more shallow, and has played two more games.
Oh, and the Thunder have gotten 27 games from Kevin Durant and a full season of Serge Ibaka, their second and third biggest contributors. The Pelicans' second and third biggest contributors this season are probably Jrue Holiday and Omer Asik. The Thunder play in front of loud sellout crowds at home, the Pelicans are struggling to find a fan base. And yet the Pelicans are a half-game behind the Thunder.
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Jack White
Footballguy
Davis is a great player, obviously, but the MVP almost always comes from a team who wins 55+ games. The Pelicans might miss the playoffs.He's undeniably awesome.Capella said:Short Corner said:
But I'm gonna need someone to explain to me why he's suddenly a betteR MVP candidate than Anthony Davis. Davis has the higher PER, higher true shooting %, higher win shares and WS/48, is clearly the more impactful defender if you don't trust advanced stats on defense, plays a position where the NBA depth is far more shallow, and has played two more games.
Oh, and the Thunder have gotten 27 games from Kevin Durant and a full season of Serge Ibaka, their second and third biggest contributors. The Pelicans' second and third biggest contributors this season are probably Jrue Holiday and Omer Asik. The Thunder play in front of loud sellout crowds at home, the Pelicans are struggling to find a fan base. And yet the Pelicans are a half-game behind the Thunder.
Westbrook is not going to win the award, either.
Jack White
Footballguy
No.Is this a trick question?Without Durant, who else is supposed to shoot and score for the Thunder?Capella said:Short Corner said:
It reminds me of Michael Jordan early in his career when he was averaging 33-37 points per game.
He got a lot of criticism for taking so many shots.
But Bulls fans' retort was spot-on: who do you want taking some of those shots instead, Brad Sellers?
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
The Pelicans are a half-game behind the Thunder.Davis is a great player, obviously, but the MVP almost always comes from a team who wins 55+ games. The Pelicans might miss the playoffs.He's undeniably awesome.Capella said:Short Corner said:
But I'm gonna need someone to explain to me why he's suddenly a betteR MVP candidate than Anthony Davis. Davis has the higher PER, higher true shooting %, higher win shares and WS/48, is clearly the more impactful defender if you don't trust advanced stats on defense, plays a position where the NBA depth is far more shallow, and has played two more games.
Oh, and the Thunder have gotten 27 games from Kevin Durant and a full season of Serge Ibaka, their second and third biggest contributors. The Pelicans' second and third biggest contributors this season are probably Jrue Holiday and Omer Asik. The Thunder play in front of loud sellout crowds at home, the Pelicans are struggling to find a fan base. And yet the Pelicans are a half-game behind the Thunder.
Westbrook is not going to win the award, either.
I agree he probably won't win the award. I'm just wondering why he's in the middle of the conversation and Davis is not.
Jack White
Footballguy
I think Davis is indeed in the conversation. And he will win the MVP as soon as his team is a title contender.The Pelicans are a half-game behind the Thunder.Davis is a great player, obviously, but the MVP almost always comes from a team who wins 55+ games. The Pelicans might miss the playoffs.He's undeniably awesome.Capella said:Short Corner said:
But I'm gonna need someone to explain to me why he's suddenly a betteR MVP candidate than Anthony Davis. Davis has the higher PER, higher true shooting %, higher win shares and WS/48, is clearly the more impactful defender if you don't trust advanced stats on defense, plays a position where the NBA depth is far more shallow, and has played two more games.
Oh, and the Thunder have gotten 27 games from Kevin Durant and a full season of Serge Ibaka, their second and third biggest contributors. The Pelicans' second and third biggest contributors this season are probably Jrue Holiday and Omer Asik. The Thunder play in front of loud sellout crowds at home, the Pelicans are struggling to find a fan base. And yet the Pelicans are a half-game behind the Thunder.
Westbrook is not going to win the award, either.
I agree he probably won't win the award. I'm just wondering why he's in the middle of the conversation and Davis is not.
Jack White
Footballguy
Those early Bulls teams (before Pippen and Horace Grant arrived) were terrible. Not sure any of those guys was ever open.
As for Westbrook, he's 4th in the NBA in assists, so he must be doing something right.
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Short Corner
Footballguy
OKC might miss the playoffs. Currently they are even in the loss column with NOR and NOR has a slightly weaker SOS remaining as well as the tie breaker.Davis is a great player, obviously, but the MVP almost always comes from a team who wins 55+ games. The Pelicans might miss the playoffs.He's undeniably awesome.Capella said:Short Corner said:
But I'm gonna need someone to explain to me why he's suddenly a betteR MVP candidate than Anthony Davis. Davis has the higher PER, higher true shooting %, higher win shares and WS/48, is clearly the more impactful defender if you don't trust advanced stats on defense, plays a position where the NBA depth is far more shallow, and has played two more games.
Oh, and the Thunder have gotten 27 games from Kevin Durant and a full season of Serge Ibaka, their second and third biggest contributors. The Pelicans' second and third biggest contributors this season are probably Jrue Holiday and Omer Asik. The Thunder play in front of loud sellout crowds at home, the Pelicans are struggling to find a fan base. And yet the Pelicans are a half-game behind the Thunder.
Westbrook is not going to win the award, either.
He has high usage and efficiency on the offensive side, but how does he get so many rebounds? I remember when Dwayne Wade used to average over one block per game - more than many SFs and PFs - it was attributed to athleticism and anticipation/court IQ.
Short Corner
Footballguy
Did Jordan win the MVP in those early years?No.Is this a trick question?Without Durant, who else is supposed to shoot and score for the Thunder?Capella said:Short Corner said:
It reminds me of Michael Jordan early in his career when he was averaging 33-37 points per game.
He got a lot of criticism for taking so many shots.
But Bulls fans' retort was spot-on: who do you want taking some of those shots instead, Brad Sellers?
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
He gets all the long rebounds. He's big enough and a good enough leaper to snatch a rebound away from the pile once in a while, but mainly he's anticipating and running down long misses. A lot of his coast-to-coast baskets come from opponents' midrange jumpers gone horribly wrong - he grabs the rebound in space and takes off up the court.
When Jason Kidd was averaging 6-7 rebounds a game, it was same story: every brick that clanged 10 feet or more away from the bucket was Kidd's. He'd run it down, start the break, then hit the trailer for a layup or dunk.
Jack White
Footballguy
He's a fearless, athletic freak who's also a ten on the motor and competitiveness scales. I don't get the hate for this guy.
Sure, he's not a prototypical Chris Paul-type point guard. But I think people get too caught up in restrictive position designations.
Point guard, shooting guard, who cares? The guy just plays, and he's damn good.
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
Sort of. Jordan's first MVP was in 1988, when Pippen and Grant were rookie bench players. CHI was 50-32, needed Jordan Over Ehlo to get out of the first round, and weren't competitive in the East semis.
Jack White
Footballguy
It doesn't matter either way. A player from the 8 seed is not going to win MVP.OKC might miss the playoffs. Currently they are even in the loss column with NOR and NOR has a slightly weaker SOS remaining as well as the tie breaker.Davis is a great player, obviously, but the MVP almost always comes from a team who wins 55+ games. The Pelicans might miss the playoffs.He's undeniably awesome.Capella said:Short Corner said:
But I'm gonna need someone to explain to me why he's suddenly a betteR MVP candidate than Anthony Davis. Davis has the higher PER, higher true shooting %, higher win shares and WS/48, is clearly the more impactful defender if you don't trust advanced stats on defense, plays a position where the NBA depth is far more shallow, and has played two more games.
Oh, and the Thunder have gotten 27 games from Kevin Durant and a full season of Serge Ibaka, their second and third biggest contributors. The Pelicans' second and third biggest contributors this season are probably Jrue Holiday and Omer Asik. The Thunder play in front of loud sellout crowds at home, the Pelicans are struggling to find a fan base. And yet the Pelicans are a half-game behind the Thunder.
Westbrook is not going to win the award, either.
Jordan didn't win his first MVP until 1988, when the Bulls won 50 games. He did NOT win the award in 1987, even though he averaged an almost-impossible 37 points a game. Why? Because the Bulls won only 40 games.
Short Corner
Footballguy
Exactly.It doesn't matter either way. A player from the 8 seed is not going to win MVP.OKC might miss the playoffs. Currently they are even in the loss column with NOR and NOR has a slightly weaker SOS remaining as well as the tie breaker.Davis is a great player, obviously, but the MVP almost always comes from a team who wins 55+ games. The Pelicans might miss the playoffs.He's undeniably awesome.Capella said:Short Corner said:
But I'm gonna need someone to explain to me why he's suddenly a betteR MVP candidate than Anthony Davis. Davis has the higher PER, higher true shooting %, higher win shares and WS/48, is clearly the more impactful defender if you don't trust advanced stats on defense, plays a position where the NBA depth is far more shallow, and has played two more games.
Oh, and the Thunder have gotten 27 games from Kevin Durant and a full season of Serge Ibaka, their second and third biggest contributors. The Pelicans' second and third biggest contributors this season are probably Jrue Holiday and Omer Asik. The Thunder play in front of loud sellout crowds at home, the Pelicans are struggling to find a fan base. And yet the Pelicans are a half-game behind the Thunder.
Westbrook is not going to win the award, either.
Jordan didn't win his first MVP until 1988, when the Bulls won 50 games. He did NOT win the award in 1987, even though he averaged an almost-impossible 37 points a game. Why? Because the Bulls won only 40 games.
Short Corner
Footballguy
I don't think anyone is hating on him. Just saying he isn't, and really shouldn't be, in the MVP conversation.
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I don't think anyone took Davis out of the discussion. Just added LeBron and Westbrook because of their recent play.
If I was voting today, I would go.
Harden
Curry
Westbrook
LeBron
Davis
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Anyone in the top 5 is in the discussion, unless someone is running away with it and no one is.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Davis has the longest odds by far. I haven't seen any articles or even posts (other than mine) touting him since December. He's in the conversation in that people will mention his name at the end of the list because they feel obliged. But it's not the same. In any event, my point was not about whether he's in or out of some arbitrary notion of the "conversation", but that I don't see how you can make a case for Westbrook that doesn't make an even better case for Davis. Davis' team is basically tied with Westbrook's in the standings, he's played more games, has the higher PER, and is IMO the better defender, or at least the more impactful/valuable one.
Neither guy is going to win the award because their teams are looking at 45 win seasons, but I was just making the point that if you want to start talking about how this one guy is putting an otherwise mediocre team on his back and dragging them into the playoff race almost on his own, you should probably be talking about the one that's doing it without Serge Ibaka and 27 games of Kevin Durant.
Jack White
Footballguy
Yeah, that sucks, but I think there are rules about how many times each team can appear on national telecasts.
Jack White
Footballguy
Hate may be a strong term. I think he gets plenty of criticism for not being a pass-first player just because he plays the "point guard" position.
Agree he's not the MVP.
Still a quarter of the season to go, so anything can happen.
LeBron could win it every year, but that doesn't happen (Jordan only won it five times).
I think Curry is the front-runner (don't laugh - Steve Nash won it twice).
Harden is up there, too.
