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[SWC]

this is actually a pretty good series what can you say brohans ugly but close

 

[Bobcat10]

I'm drunk. Are the refs d

Fuuuuuucking the Dubs on calls?

No Memphis is just out playing them.

If the refs suck, they will suck for both teams.

These games are NEVER decided by the officials.

Strongly disagree with this.

 

[SWC]

I'm drunk. Are the refs d

Fuuuuuucking the Dubs on calls?

No Memphis is just out playing them.

If the refs suck, they will suck for both teams.

These games are NEVER decided by the officials.

Strongly disagree with this.

all i can say is that even tho i could not care lesss not in a bad waay i just can not stay up late enough to watch the games or know the teams but anyhow about the western confference or the kings i still think they got hosed against the lakers in the christy vlade bibby weber era in the playoffs that one time so i am with bobcat take that to the bank bromigos

 

[wadegarrett]

 

[Hoos First]

Biggest shot of Lebrons career

 

[Capella]

http://deadspin.com/lebron-james-had-to-stop-david-blatt-from-preventing-hi-1703505672?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

 

[msudaisy26]

Biggest shot of Lebrons career

I thought his buzzer beater against the Magic was bigger.

 

[pollardsvision]

Seeing people get stuffed by the rim trying to dunk never stops being funny

 

[sports_fan]

Jordan is going to get about 50 free throws tonight.

 

[Britney Spears]

League has definitely changed. Jordan would have had about 20 free throws in the last quarter if he was getting to the basket like James was.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Biggest shot of Lebrons career

I thought his buzzer beater against the Magic was bigger.

It depends. The shot against the Magic just delayed the inevitable; they still lost the series. If the Cavs go on to win this series, make the finals, or even win the finals, today's becomes bigger.

 

[trader jake]

Jordan is going to get about 50 free throws tonight.

The NBA absolutely has to change that hack rule this offseason. The first half of this game has taken 2 hours.

 

[sports_fan]

Both teams are a combined 27-for-57 (47.4%) at the line at halftime. Jordan is 10-for-28 (35.7%).

 

[scoobus]

Shaq is the absolute worst.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Never have or ever will have a problem with the Hack-A strategy. They'll likely change it this offseason. I'm fine finding some sort of happy medium. You can't just change the game because a guy can't make free throws though If Doc were really worried about it, he'd have Jordan on the bench. As Kenny is bringing up on the set, you can't penalize the guys that can shoot free throws.

The only logical solution appears to be (Jordan/Howard) must have the ball in their hands to intentional foul at any point in the game. Otherwise, tech free throw(s) and ball out.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Shaq is the absolute worst.

halftime show is harder to get through than that first half.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

although kenny getting up and making that free throw was good schtick.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Never have or ever will have a problem with the Hack-A strategy. They'll likely change it this offseason. I'm fine finding some sort of happy medium. You can't just change the game because a guy can't make free throws though If Doc were really worried about it, he'd have Jordan on the bench. As Kenny is bringing up on the set, you can't penalize the guys that can shoot free throws.

The only logical solution appears to be (Jordan/Howard) must have the ball in their hands to intentional foul at any point in the game. Otherwise, tech free throw(s) and ball out.

Never have or ever will have a problem with the Hack-A strategy. They'll likely change it this offseason. I'm fine finding some sort of happy medium. You can't just change the game because a guy can't make free throws though If Doc were really worried about it, he'd have Jordan on the bench. As Kenny is bringing up on the set, you can't penalize the guys that can shoot free throws.

The only logical solution appears to be (Jordan/Howard) must have the ball in their hands to intentional foul at any point in the game. Otherwise, tech free throw(s) and ball out.

I don't understand why people get so upset about the strategy and I honestly have no idea how you can fix it without causing some other major unintended consequences. If you're going to be mad at anyone, be mad at the professional basketball player making millions of dollars who can't hit 40% of an unguarded medium range shot. Free throws are a part of the game. If a guy sucks that bad at them, then his team should pay for keeping him out there. There's just no way an NBA player can be that bad at them if he is legitimately putting in the work to get better.

At least Shaq had somewhat of an excuse due to his wrist not fully bending due to a precious injury.

And it's not like the strategy doesn't have negatives for the fouling team either. Do it the entire game and eventually you're going to have a lot of guys in foul trouble.

 

[Prince Myshkin]

i've come to the conclusion that officiating is horrible at every level...

 

[Prince Myshkin]

Never have or ever will have a problem with the Hack-A strategy. They'll likely change it this offseason. I'm fine finding some sort of happy medium. You can't just change the game because a guy can't make free throws though If Doc were really worried about it, he'd have Jordan on the bench. As Kenny is bringing up on the set, you can't penalize the guys that can shoot free throws.

The only logical solution appears to be (Jordan/Howard) must have the ball in their hands to intentional foul at any point in the game. Otherwise, tech free throw(s) and ball out.

Never have or ever will have a problem with the Hack-A strategy. They'll likely change it this offseason. I'm fine finding some sort of happy medium. You can't just change the game because a guy can't make free throws though If Doc were really worried about it, he'd have Jordan on the bench. As Kenny is bringing up on the set, you can't penalize the guys that can shoot free throws.

The only logical solution appears to be (Jordan/Howard) must have the ball in their hands to intentional foul at any point in the game. Otherwise, tech free throw(s) and ball out.

I don't understand why people get so upset about the strategy and I honestly have no idea how you can fix it without causing some other major unintended consequences. If you're going to be mad at anyone, be mad at the professional basketball player making millions of dollars who can't hit 40% of an unguarded medium range shot. Free throws are a part of the game. If a guy sucks that bad at them, then his team should pay for keeping him out there. There's just no way an NBA player can be that bad at them if he is legitimately putting in the work to get better.

At least Shaq had somewhat of an excuse due to his wrist not fully bending due to a precious injury.

And it's not like the strategy doesn't have negatives for the fouling team either. Do it the entire game and eventually you're going to have a lot of guys in foul trouble.

Maybe the reason people get so upset about it is that it is boring as hell to watch Jordan shoot 30 free throws in a half

 

[Prince Myshkin]

IMO, an intentional foul on a player that does not have the ball should be called just that...an intentional foul. 2 shots and the ball back.

 

[Prince Myshkin]

maybe Houston should start fouling again???

 

[pollardsvision]

maybe Houston should start fouling again???

I noticed nobody was in a hurry to foul him on that alley oop.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Marc Gasol is the most boring player ever.

Of all the rule changes the NBA should be considering, clamping down on backing players down should be the top of the list. It is technically illegal and it makes the game look like crap.

They have a 5 second back to the basket rule and totally disagree about Gasol being boring. He passes so well.

They have a rule for traveling too.

I agree gasol passes very well, but without being able to back a player down they would have zero reason to respect his scoring and he wouldn't be able to pass like he does.

 

[GroveDiesel]

IMO, an intentional foul on a player that does not have the ball should be called just that...an intentional foul. 2 shots and the ball back.

Fair enough. I think the simple change there is if a player is fouled who doesn't have the ball and the team is in the bonus, they should be allowed to have anyone on the floor shoot the free throws.

 

[msudaisy26]

Biggest shot of Lebrons career

I thought his buzzer beater against the Magic was bigger.

It depends. The shot against the Magic just delayed the inevitable; they still lost the series. If the Cavs go on to win this series, make the finals, or even win the finals, today's becomes bigger.

True, but that is hind sight. At the time we thought that would wake them up.

 

[trader jake]

Never have or ever will have a problem with the Hack-A strategy. They'll likely change it this offseason. I'm fine finding some sort of happy medium. You can't just change the game because a guy can't make free throws though If Doc were really worried about it, he'd have Jordan on the bench. As Kenny is bringing up on the set, you can't penalize the guys that can shoot free throws.

The only logical solution appears to be (Jordan/Howard) must have the ball in their hands to intentional foul at any point in the game. Otherwise, tech free throw(s) and ball out.

I don't understand why people get so upset about the strategy and I honestly have no idea how you can fix it without causing some other major unintended consequences. If you're going to be mad at anyone, be mad at the professional basketball player making millions of dollars who can't hit 40% of an unguarded medium range shot. Free throws are a part of the game. If a guy sucks that bad at them, then his team should pay for keeping him out there. There's just no way an NBA player can be that bad at them if he is legitimately putting in the work to get better.

At least Shaq had somewhat of an excuse due to his wrist not fully bending due to a precious injury.

And it's not like the strategy doesn't have negatives for the fouling team either. Do it the entire game and eventually you're going to have a lot of guys in foul trouble.

Maybe the reason people get so upset about it is that it is boring as hell to watch Jordan shoot 30 free throws in a half

Pretty much.

 

[msudaisy26]

Never have or ever will have a problem with the Hack-A strategy. They'll likely change it this offseason. I'm fine finding some sort of happy medium. You can't just change the game because a guy can't make free throws though If Doc were really worried about it, he'd have Jordan on the bench. As Kenny is bringing up on the set, you can't penalize the guys that can shoot free throws.

The only logical solution appears to be (Jordan/Howard) must have the ball in their hands to intentional foul at any point in the game. Otherwise, tech free throw(s) and ball out.

The only problem with that is the fouls away from the ball when fighting for position or running through a screen.

 

[msudaisy26]

Houston just needs to waive the white flag

 

[trader jake]

It seems right that they keep showing Mayweather court side...this Clips/Rockets game is about as entertaining as one of his fights.

Only with more bad intentions and contact.

 

[Weeber]

Houston just needs to waive the white flag

Yup stick a fork in them. This is painful to watch as a houstonian.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Houston just needs to waive the white flag

Pretty amazing what LA is doing. Just a thorough dismantling

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Analytics don't play defense.

Awful effort.

 

[Raider Nation]

Jordan shooting 34 FTs (LOL) is an absolute embarrassment to the league. No other way to put it.

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

I think playing the Spurs was the best thing that ever happend to the Clippers. Beating them gave them the confidence they had been lacking in previous years. In the past when a team would go on a run you would see the Clippers players mood change. They would hang their heads and get frustrated and make stupid mistakes. They grew up before our eyes in that series. When you look at them now, they have that killer instinct. They are a scary team now. I don't know if anyone else is noticing, but they aren't whining and crying like they used to anymore. I think they watched the Spurs and learned a lot from them. I look forward to seeing them match up with Warriors in the Western Conference Finals. The Clippers did knock gem out last year, albeit that was a Mark Jackson coached team.

As for hie to adjust for the Hack-a defense, just change the rule to state that you can intentionally foul someone until the shot clock is down to 14 or it's 2 free throws and the ball. At least that would give a team 10 seconds to try to get something set up before the other team fouls the poor shooter. Of course, the rules would stay the same as they are now in the last two minutes of each quarter.

 

[Jack White]

I'm drunk. Are the refs d

Fuuuuuucking the Dubs on calls?

No Memphis is just out playing them.

I really wish people would stop talking about officiating in here.

There are no conspiracies. If the refs suck, they will suck for both teams.

These games are NEVER decided by the officials.

Just talk about the players and coaches.

Thanks in advance.

While I don't think it's common, there are noted and well documented instances in which the refs have been favorable or unfavorable to certain teams. Hell, you yourself even cited a podcast with haralabob where he talks about how he's found biases in refs. Pretty extreme of you to say the games are never (in all caps) decided by refs. But then again, you're an extreme guy, so I guess it fits with the character.

That's a fair criticism.

I just think that whatever happens with the officiating, a 48-minute game never comes down to a call or two by the refs.

Just like a game doesn't come down to one play or shot. Even today, LeBron hits the game winner, but what about the first seven minutes of the fourth when the Bulls scored only five points and blew a seven-point lead? That's a big part of their losing the game, too.

 

[EYLive]

Agree with the first point, disagree with the second.

 

[Short Corner]

Never have or ever will have a problem with the Hack-A strategy. They'll likely change it this offseason. I'm fine finding some sort of happy medium. You can't just change the game because a guy can't make free throws though If Doc were really worried about it, he'd have Jordan on the bench. As Kenny is bringing up on the set, you can't penalize the guys that can shoot free throws.

The only logical solution appears to be (Jordan/Howard) must have the ball in their hands to intentional foul at any point in the game. Otherwise, tech free throw(s) and ball out.

I don't understand why people get so upset about the strategy and I honestly have no idea how you can fix it without causing some other major unintended consequences. If you're going to be mad at anyone, be mad at the professional basketball player making millions of dollars who can't hit 40% of an unguarded medium range shot. Free throws are a part of the game. If a guy sucks that bad at them, then his team should pay for keeping him out there. There's just no way an NBA player can be that bad at them if he is legitimately putting in the work to get better.

At least Shaq had somewhat of an excuse due to his wrist not fully bending due to a precious injury.

And it's not like the strategy doesn't have negatives for the fouling team either. Do it the entire game and eventually you're going to have a lot of guys in foul trouble.

Maybe the reason people get so upset about it is that it is boring as hell to watch Jordan shoot 30 free throws in a half

Pretty much.

Just not bored enough to chage the channel.

 

[Short Corner]

Marc Gasol is the most boring player ever.

Of all the rule changes the NBA should be considering, clamping down on backing players down should be the top of the list. It is technically illegal and it makes the game look like crap.

They have a 5 second back to the basket rule and totally disagree about Gasol being boring. He passes so well.

They have a rule for traveling too.

I agree gasol passes very well, but without being able to back a player down they would have zero reason to respect his scoring and he wouldn't be able to pass like he does.

They actually call 5 seconds pretty consistently.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Biggest shot of Lebrons career

I thought his buzzer beater against the Magic was bigger.

It depends. The shot against the Magic just delayed the inevitable; they still lost the series. If the Cavs go on to win this series, make the finals, or even win the finals, today's becomes bigger.

I'm not sure this one was top 5 for lots of reasons ... most significantly the fact that the game would have gone to overtime anyway.

I'd rank the layup to beat the Pacers in Game 1 of the ECF, and the jumper to push the lead to 4 in Game 7 way ahead of this one. The former turned a loss into a win in a series that ended up going 7 games, and the latter secured a title.

 

[Synthesizer]

Suggested rule change.... a team can decline the free throws from an intentional foul (and take the ball out of bounds) until the last 2 minutes of each half. Any potential problems with this?

 

[Sammy3469]

I think playing the Spurs was the best thing that ever happend to the Clippers. Beating them gave them the confidence they had been lacking in previous years. In the past when a team would go on a run you would see the Clippers players mood change. They would hang their heads and get frustrated and make stupid mistakes. They grew up before our eyes in that series. When you look at them now, they have that killer instinct. They are a scary team now. I don't know if anyone else is noticing, but they aren't whining and crying like they used to anymore. I think they watched the Spurs and learned a lot from them. I look forward to seeing them match up with Warriors in the Western Conference Finals. The Clippers did knock gem out last year, albeit that was a Mark Jackson coached team.

As for hie to adjust for the Hack-a defense, just change the rule to state that you can intentionally foul someone until the shot clock is down to 14 or it's 2 free throws and the ball. At least that would give a team 10 seconds to try to get something set up before the other team fouls the poor shooter. Of course, the rules would stay the same as they are now in the last two minutes of each quarter.

That's decent...I also like the idea that it's 2 free throws and the ball if you intentionally foul someone without the ball in the backcourt. That way Jordan could play, but the Clips would be forced to play 4v5 on offense.

I don't hate the strategy, I just hate it for my viewing experience.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Remarkable how fast the game passes you by.

Phil Jackson ✔ @PhilJackson11

NBA analysts give me some diagnostics on how 3pt oriented teams are faring this playoffs...seriously, how's it goink?

Well, Phil, here are the top 6 teams in 3 point attempts per games in the playoffs:

Atlanta (alive, down 2-1 but favored to advance)

Golden State (alive, down 2-1 but favored to advance)

Cleveland (alive, tied 2-2 favored to advance)

Houston, (alive, down 2-1)

Portland (eliminated)

San Antonio (eliminated in 7 by buzzer beater)

And here's the bottom 6:

Memphis (alive, up 2-1)

Milwaukee (eliminated in 6)

New Orleans (eliminated in 4)

Boston (eliminated in 4)

LAC (alive, up 2-1 and favored to advance)

Brooklyn (eliminated in 6)

Which looks like the better group?

 

[Peyton Marino]

Remarkable how fast the game passes you by.

Phil Jackson ✔ @PhilJackson11

NBA analysts give me some diagnostics on how 3pt oriented teams are faring this playoffs...seriously, how's it goink?

Well, Phil, here are the top 6 teams in 3 point attempts per games in the playoffs:

Atlanta (alive, down 2-1 but favored to advance)

Golden State (alive, down 2-1 but favored to advance)

Cleveland (alive, tied 2-2 favored to advance)

Houston, (alive, down 2-1)

Portland (eliminated)

San Antonio (eliminated in 7 by buzzer beater)

And here's the bottom 6:

Memphis (alive, up 2-1)

Milwaukee (eliminated in 6)

New Orleans (eliminated in 4)

Boston (eliminated in 4)

LAC (alive, up 2-1 and favored to advance)

Brooklyn (eliminated in 6)

Which looks like the better group?

yea also how are the knicks faring in the playoffs?

 

[[icon]]

Marc Gasol is the most boring player ever.

Of all the rule changes the NBA should be considering, clamping down on backing players down should be the top of the list. It is technically illegal and it makes the game look like crap.

They have a 5 second back to the basket rule and totally disagree about Gasol being boring. He passes so well.

They have a rule for traveling too.

I agree gasol passes very well, but without being able to back a player down they would have zero reason to respect his scoring and he wouldn't be able to pass like he does.

Huh... so Gasol's only scoring skills are from close range back-down shots?

That's news to...well...anyone but you.

 

[[icon]]

Waiting for CurlyNight to show up announcing that the Clippers are her OTHER favorite team because she once saw someone wearing a hat in the mall as a young kid.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Suggested rule change.... a team can decline the free throws from an intentional foul (and take the ball out of bounds) until the last 2 minutes of each half. Any potential problems with this?

FIBA's old rule for the bonus was similar to this. On any non-shooting foul while in the bonus, the team that was fouled had the option to shoot the free throws or take the ball out of bounds with a fresh shot clock. They got rid of it partially to align more with American rules, but it also created endgame situations where teams would keep fouling and trying to steal the subsequent inbounds pass. That slowed the game down even more than free throws.The solution for Hack-A-Brick-FT-Shooter is to let the team that was fouled choose anyone on the court at the time of the foul to shoot the free throws. Teams would stop fouling Andre Jordan away from the ball if it meant JJ Redick got to shoot two free throws as a consequence.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Suggested rule change.... a team can decline the free throws from an intentional foul (and take the ball out of bounds) until the last 2 minutes of each half. Any potential problems with this?

FIBA's old rule for the bonus was similar to this. On any non-shooting foul while in the bonus, the team that was fouled had the option to shoot the free throws or take the ball out of bounds with a fresh shot clock. They got rid of it partially to align more with American rules, but it also created endgame situations where teams would keep fouling and trying to steal the subsequent inbounds pass. That slowed the game down even more than free throws.The solution for Hack-A-Brick-FT-Shooter is to let the team that was fouled choose anyone on the court at the time of the foul to shoot the free throws. Teams would stop fouling Andre Jordan away from the ball if it meant JJ Redick got to shoot two free throws as a consequence.

So every team that doesn't employ terrible FT shooters gets punished for off the ball fouls? Doesn't make much sense.

 

[Short Corner]

Suggested rule change.... a team can decline the free throws from an intentional foul (and take the ball out of bounds) until the last 2 minutes of each half. Any potential problems with this?

FIBA's old rule for the bonus was similar to this. On any non-shooting foul while in the bonus, the team that was fouled had the option to shoot the free throws or take the ball out of bounds with a fresh shot clock. They got rid of it partially to align more with American rules, but it also created endgame situations where teams would keep fouling and trying to steal the subsequent inbounds pass. That slowed the game down even more than free throws.The solution for Hack-A-Brick-FT-Shooter is to let the team that was fouled choose anyone on the court at the time of the foul to shoot the free throws. Teams would stop fouling Andre Jordan away from the ball if it meant JJ Redick got to shoot two free throws as a consequence.

The solution is to learn how to make your ####### FTs. A rule change is going to make DJ another $5M/year if it happens

 

[TobiasFunke]

Suggested rule change.... a team can decline the free throws from an intentional foul (and take the ball out of bounds) until the last 2 minutes of each half. Any potential problems with this?

I'm on board with some kind of fix and I think this is the best idea I've seen so far. But one problem is that this solution just create more refereeing judgment calls which just creates a new problem. Let's say we change the rule as you state. How does the ref determine intent? Wouldn't opposing teams just start grabbing at Jordan's jersey or pinning his arms down as he fights for position in the post, or run right through him when he tries to set a screen?

One idea that just occurred to me so I'm sure it has some huge problem I haven't considered yet- go to three free throws on all fouls after a certain point over the limit, like maybe the 10th foul of the quarter.