timschochet's thread - Ranking hemorrhoids (3 Viewers)

[Captain Quinoa]

The Lakers really have nothing to offer elite free agents. Extra money that a team can offer his own guy to stay, what's the attraction? Terrible ownership/coach? Psychotic future HOF'er who's screaming at everyone even though he's garbage now? Nil chance of getting anywhere in the playoffs?

Instead of just being terrible, you can have Magic Johnson tweeting about how terrible you are!

 

[JMon348]

That was a very nerve wracking night. If we lost that pick, it could have easily set the franchise back years. They will be better next year, so this was probably their only shot at a top 5 pick anytime soon. I could have easily seen Mitch and Jimmy overcompensating on losing the pick and destroying our cap room by wasting it on the Hibberts and the Rondo's of the world.

With this pick we now will have 3 very very solid building blocks. Jordan Clarkson, Julius Randle, and the #2 pick. If we can hit on some solid guys at 27 and 34, that's 5 pieces on rookie contracts.

The only problem with the 2nd pick is if the Wolves take Towns, I don't know how good a future Randle, Okafur combo would do down low. At this point the Lakers just need valuable pieces, and need to draft either center that is there and figure it out later like the Sixers are doing.

In FA, they need a 3 and D guy. Obviously the dream would be somehow stealing Jimmy Butler, but obviously that will be tough as he's a RFA. More realistic would be trying to steal Tobias Harris or Kris Middleton.

Either way, it was a very good night. For the first time in 32 years the Lakers have one of the first couple picks, so this will be a fun month of looking forward to draft night.

 

[Capella]

You can't "steal" Tobias Harris. He's a RFA so you have to sign him to an insane contract that he doesn't deserve for the magic not to match.

 

[Jack White]

After watching this I really want the 6ers to draft Russell

https://youtu.be/IEgMvIQ4uw8

I LOVE Russell.

Why not make him the #1 pick?

If you watched the game tonight, you know big men are overrated. The way to win now is with guards.

Yeah, who needs rim protection or interior defense.

I appreciate your technique.

Bigs at the top of the draft have a much higher bust rate than guards/wings.

Yet when it comes down to it, teams tend to draft size.

I'm sure this year will be no different.

But if Russell is as good as you guys say, we could be looking at another Oden/Durant situation.

 

[GOB]

You can't "steal" Tobias Harris. He's a RFA so you have to sign him to an insane contract that he doesn't deserve for the magic not to match.

Do it! We dare you!

 

[Capella]

You can't "steal" Tobias Harris. He's a RFA so you have to sign him to an insane contract that he doesn't deserve for the magic not to match.

Do it! We dare you!

Yea I'm not a big fan.

 

[timschochet]

The Lakers don't need to solve all of their problems in one year. The stage is being set for Russell Westbrook to come and be the new Kobe.

 

[RUSF18]

Not much of a Knicks fan ever since the Scott Layden debacle years, but if you have to fall in a lottery, this seems like a good year to do it. Russell/Mudiay/Winslow could all end up being the best player in the draft. Likely lower floors than the bigs but possibly more upside. I'm not much of an Okafor fan.

Would have absolutely loved to see Phil's face when they fell to 4. Particulary after his 'cant win with shooters' tweet -- and how he likely to miss on the 2 bigs. And (likely) the next best guy and most importantly for that team -- facilitator -- that's ready to contribute right away in Russell (who would be in Phil's wet dream in that offense given he's a big guard, can shoot, and can play either PG/SG)

Phil isn't on the 5 year plan to make the Knicks relevant again. Knicks missed on the 3 guys that'll contribute right away. Winslow will be a great defender right away but doesn't fill a great need for them now with Melo at the 3 & need for a facilitator.. Mudiay isn't nearly the shooter as Russell is now & something he'll need time to improve on. Russell is going to be good day 1. And an All Star in the not too distant future barring injury.

Even if you want to throw the Knicks a bone and they get Marc Gasol or Love. They're not doing anything anytime soon with Gasol or Love/Melo/Mudiay. I guess they can pray the Lakers do something unexpected at 2.

####### guy couldn't be bothered to sit there despite making $12MM a year and it taking place down the road from where he "works". Instead he made the GM, who 1% of Knicks fans can identify in a lineup, face the questions from the media about falling. What a scam he's running.

 

[Sammy3469]

You can't "steal" Tobias Harris. He's a RFA so you have to sign him to an insane contract that he doesn't deserve for the magic not to match.

Well there's 5-8 of these "good" non-max RFAs (leaving aside Butler, Leonard, and Green) out there and a lot of teams with exploding cap space and impatient owners. It won't shock me if a few of these RFAs get some absurd contracts.

 

[tommyGunZ]

The Lakers really have nothing to offer elite free agents. Extra money that a team can offer his own guy to stay, what's the attraction? Terrible ownership/coach? Psychotic future HOF'er who's screaming at everyone even though he's garbage now? Nil chance of getting anywhere in the playoffs?

okay. Don't the lakers have $20+ mil in cap space this year? Kobe's done after next year. 3 nice building blocks in Randel, Clarkson, and whoever we take at #2.

You know who the Clippers' 3 nice "building blocks" are? Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, and (bit of a dropoff) JJ Redick. So if Jordan gets a max offer to stay from LAC, he'd leave a contender AND $30 million on the table to go play for a dip#### coach and with a bunch of young players?

Aldridge? Assuming he does bail on Portland, how does LA compete with San Antonio? Love can either re-sign with Cleveland or just take another year with them, even if he spurns both of those options, he's risking going back to a perpetual re-building/disaster like he was with Minny.

Also keep in mind that the draft is before free agency, so if they do the smart thing and take Towns or Okafor, signing a big could relegate Randle to a reserve role.

Other than another draft pick, what's changed from last summer?

Funny seeing GS fans on tilt in a year where they're about to win the title.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Not much of a Knicks fan ever since the Scott Layden debacle years, but if you have to fall in a lottery, this seems like a good year to do it. Russell/Mudiay/Winslow could all end up being the best player in the draft. Likely lower floors than the bigs but possibly more upside. I'm not much of an Okafor fan.

Would have absolutely loved to see Phil's face when they fell to 4. Particulary after his 'cant win with shooters' tweet -- and how he likely to miss on the 2 bigs. And (likely) the next best guy and most importantly for that team -- facilitator -- that's ready to contribute right away in Russell (who would be in Phil's wet dream in that offense given he's a big guard, can shoot, and can play either PG/SG)

Phil isn't on the 5 year plan to make the Knicks relevant again. Knicks missed on the 3 guys that'll contribute right away. Winslow will be a great defender right away but doesn't fill a great need for them now with Melo at the 3 & need for a facilitator.. Mudiay isn't nearly the shooter as Russell is now & something he'll need time to improve on. Russell is going to be good day 1. And an All Star in the not too distant future barring injury.

Even if you want to throw the Knicks a bone and they get Marc Gasol or Love. They're not doing anything anytime soon with Gasol or Love/Melo/Mudiay. I guess they can pray the Lakers do something unexpected at 2.

####### guy couldn't be bothered to sit there despite making $12MM a year and it taking place down the road from where he "works". Instead he made the GM, who 1% of Knicks fans can identify in a lineup, face the questions from the media about falling. What a scam he's running.

Sounds like what Holmgren did to the Browns a few years ago, but with less eating and more meditation.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Refresh my memory, who was the last big time or even above average FA to sign with the Lakers?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Randle, Okafor, Clarkson, Love, and Rondo nucleus works, assuming Rondo pulls his head out of his ### and signs at a discount.

 

[RUSF18]

Randle, Okafor, Clarkson, Love, and Rondo nucleus works, assuming Rondo pulls his head out of his ### and signs at a discount.

What's the minimum wage in California these days?

 

[JMon348]

Randle, Okafor, Clarkson, Love, and Rondo nucleus works, assuming Rondo pulls his head out of his ### and signs at a discount.

You think Randle, Okafur, and Love would work on D? Love and Okafur would be a nightmare defensive team. Putting Randle at the 3 would make it worse.

 

[Capella]

You can't "steal" Tobias Harris. He's a RFA so you have to sign him to an insane contract that he doesn't deserve for the magic not to match.

Well there's 5-8 of these "good" non-max RFAs (leaving aside Butler, Leonard, and Green) out there and a lot of teams with exploding cap space and impatient owners. It won't shock me if a few of these RFAs get some absurd contracts.

I just hope it's not Orlando overpaying him. Don't like his game. Ball-stopper who isn't good enough to be stopping the ball.

 

[Timmay]

If I was a Lakers fan, I would be praying every night until he signs elsewhere, that they don't sign Rondo.

 

[Jack White]

Not much of a Knicks fan ever since the Scott Layden debacle years, but if you have to fall in a lottery, this seems like a good year to do it. Russell/Mudiay/Winslow could all end up being the best player in the draft. Likely lower floors than the bigs but possibly more upside. I'm not much of an Okafor fan.

Would have absolutely loved to see Phil's face when they fell to 4. Particulary after his 'cant win with shooters' tweet -- and how he likely to miss on the 2 bigs. And (likely) the next best guy and most importantly for that team -- facilitator -- that's ready to contribute right away in Russell (who would be in Phil's wet dream in that offense given he's a big guard, can shoot, and can play either PG/SG)

Phil isn't on the 5 year plan to make the Knicks relevant again. Knicks missed on the 3 guys that'll contribute right away. Winslow will be a great defender right away but doesn't fill a great need for them now with Melo at the 3 & need for a facilitator.. Mudiay isn't nearly the shooter as Russell is now & something he'll need time to improve on. Russell is going to be good day 1. And an All Star in the not too distant future barring injury.

Even if you want to throw the Knicks a bone and they get Marc Gasol or Love. They're not doing anything anytime soon with Gasol or Love/Melo/Mudiay. I guess they can pray the Lakers do something unexpected at 2.

####### guy couldn't be bothered to sit there despite making $12MM a year and it taking place down the road from where he "works". Instead he made the GM, who 1% of Knicks fans can identify in a lineup, face the questions from the media about falling. What a scam he's running.

Do you really care who sits in the room at the draft lottery?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Rondo to the Lakers would be so great. 4/$60 sounds about right.

 

[Bucky86]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Good Posting Judge" data-cid="18055691" data-time="1432105642"><p><p><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bucky86" data-cid="18055686" data-time="1432104424"><p> Don't let your laker hate cloud your judgement or anything.

 

[RUSF18]

Not much of a Knicks fan ever since the Scott Layden debacle years, but if you have to fall in a lottery, this seems like a good year to do it. Russell/Mudiay/Winslow could all end up being the best player in the draft. Likely lower floors than the bigs but possibly more upside. I'm not much of an Okafor fan.

Would have absolutely loved to see Phil's face when they fell to 4. Particulary after his 'cant win with shooters' tweet -- and how he likely to miss on the 2 bigs. And (likely) the next best guy and most importantly for that team -- facilitator -- that's ready to contribute right away in Russell (who would be in Phil's wet dream in that offense given he's a big guard, can shoot, and can play either PG/SG)

Phil isn't on the 5 year plan to make the Knicks relevant again. Knicks missed on the 3 guys that'll contribute right away. Winslow will be a great defender right away but doesn't fill a great need for them now with Melo at the 3 & need for a facilitator.. Mudiay isn't nearly the shooter as Russell is now & something he'll need time to improve on. Russell is going to be good day 1. And an All Star in the not too distant future barring injury.

Even if you want to throw the Knicks a bone and they get Marc Gasol or Love. They're not doing anything anytime soon with Gasol or Love/Melo/Mudiay. I guess they can pray the Lakers do something unexpected at 2.

####### guy couldn't be bothered to sit there despite making $12MM a year and it taking place down the road from where he "works". Instead he made the GM, who 1% of Knicks fans can identify in a lineup, face the questions from the media about falling. What a scam he's running.

Do you really care who sits in the room at the draft lottery?

No. I think I made it pretty clear exactly why he should have been there.

 

[Sammy3469]

You can't "steal" Tobias Harris. He's a RFA so you have to sign him to an insane contract that he doesn't deserve for the magic not to match.

Well there's 5-8 of these "good" non-max RFAs (leaving aside Butler, Leonard, and Green) out there and a lot of teams with exploding cap space and impatient owners. It won't shock me if a few of these RFAs get some absurd contracts.

I just hope it's not Orlando overpaying him. Don't like his game. Ball-stopper who isn't good enough to be stopping the ball.

I'm not directly talking about Harris since I hardly saw Orlando play this year, but in general, I think we'll be shocked by the deals some of the UFA and RFAs get. Guys like Gallinari, Koufus, Kanter, Jackson, T Thompson, Shumpert, etc. are going to get paid very well.

Do you want Winslow as his replacement?

 

[JMon348]

If I was a Lakers fan, I would be praying every night until he signs elsewhere, that they don't sign Rondo.

I think a cap friendly, prove yourself, 1 year deal would work, and is likely to happen. Not sure how successful it will be though.

 

[Timmay]

If I was a Lakers fan, I would be praying every night until he signs elsewhere, that they don't sign Rondo.

I think a cap friendly, prove yourself, 1 year deal would work, and is likely to happen. Not sure how successful it will be though.

A 1 year deal is the only way this could work, will Rondo take a 1 year deal though? Besides his ridiculousness in Dallas, hasn't he done enough to prove what he can do to deserve a longer term deal?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Refresh my memory, who was the last big time or even above average FA to sign with the Lakers?

Yet another poster whose head should be in the ECFs, yet has the Lakers dancing in his dome instead.

 

[tommyGunZ]

If I was a Lakers fan, I would be praying every night until he signs elsewhere, that they don't sign Rondo.

Rondo at $15M per would be insane, but for half of that he's a bargain. He obviously has his warts, but I think he still has a good 2-3 year run in him. Dallas was obviously a horrible fit and he handled it poorly, to say the least. shrug:

 

[Cliff Clavin]

If I was a Lakers fan, I would be praying every night until he signs elsewhere, that they don't sign Rondo.

Rondo at $15M per would be insane, but for half of that he's a bargain. He obviously has his warts, but I think he still has a good 2-3 year run in him. Dallas was obviously a horrible fit and he handled it poorly, to say the least. shrug:

And he is going to be a good fit in LA?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Randle, Okafor, Clarkson, Love, and Rondo nucleus works, assuming Rondo pulls his head out of his ### and signs at a discount.

You think Randle, Okafur, and Love would work on D? Love and Okafur would be a nightmare defensive team. Putting Randle at the 3 would make it worse.

Not at the same time. But those 3 splitting 96 minutes at the 4 & 5 works.

This scenario assumes the Lakers also throw the max at Jimmy Buckets but Chi matches.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Man the ####### Knicks suck

 

[tommyGunZ]

If I was a Lakers fan, I would be praying every night until he signs elsewhere, that they don't sign Rondo.

Rondo at $15M per would be insane, but for half of that he's a bargain. He obviously has his warts, but I think he still has a good 2-3 year run in him. Dallas was obviously a horrible fit and he handled it poorly, to say the least. shrug:

And he is going to be a good fit in LA?

Should be. We have no ball handlers and zero defense at the point. Clarkson isn't a starting PG on a contender, though he's an extremely valuable rotation piece due to being able to play he 1 & 2.

What better way to break in 2 lottery bigs (Randle & Okafor) as well as acclimate Love to LA than running a Kobe/Rondo backcourt out there so they'll never touch the rock?

 

[Timmay]

If I was a Lakers fan, I would be praying every night until he signs elsewhere, that they don't sign Rondo.

Rondo at $15M per would be insane, but for half of that he's a bargain. He obviously has his warts, but I think he still has a good 2-3 year run in him. Dallas was obviously a horrible fit and he handled it poorly, to say the least. shrug:

And he is going to be a good fit in LA?

Should be. We have no ball handlers and zero defense at the point. Clarkson isn't a starting PG on a contender, though he's an extremely valuable rotation piece due to being able to play he 1 & 2.

What better way to break in 2 lottery bigs (Randle & Okafor) as well as acclimate Love to LA than running a Kobe/Rondo backcourt out there so they'll never touch the rock?

It probably helps a little that Kobe and Rondo get along really well off the court, not sure that lasts if/when they play on the same team together.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Refresh my memory, who was the last big time or even above average FA to sign with the Lakers?

Yet another poster whose head should be in the ECFs, yet has the Lakers dancing in his dome instead.

They haven't played and ECF game yet and haven't played any game in 6 days. How long do I have to think about it?

Just responding to what is in the thread. I respond to other threads too.

Good non-answer answer BTW. Says it all.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Refresh my memory, who was the last big time or even above average FA to sign with the Lakers?

Steve Nash FTW?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

whats the top 10 mock looking like?

Anyway that justice winslow falls to the pistons at 8?

 

[Timmay]

whats the top 10 mock looking like?

Anyway that justice winslow falls to the pistons at 8?

CBS Sports Mock

 

[Capella]

You can't "steal" Tobias Harris. He's a RFA so you have to sign him to an insane contract that he doesn't deserve for the magic not to match.

Well there's 5-8 of these "good" non-max RFAs (leaving aside Butler, Leonard, and Green) out there and a lot of teams with exploding cap space and impatient owners. It won't shock me if a few of these RFAs get some absurd contracts.

I just hope it's not Orlando overpaying him. Don't like his game. Ball-stopper who isn't good enough to be stopping the ball.

I'm not directly talking about Harris since I hardly saw Orlando play this year, but in general, I think we'll be shocked by the deals some of the UFA and RFAs get. Guys like Gallinari, Koufus, Kanter, Jackson, T Thompson, Shumpert, etc. are going to get paid very well.

Do you want Winslow as his replacement?

Yes. I'm a big fan. Definitely my wish.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Fairly certain whoever the Knicks draft will turn into a bust, regardless of all factors.

Although when traded for a box of crackerjacks (that'll prob have a $12MM cap hit) he'll start living up to his potential.

 

[JMon348]

Refresh my memory, who was the last big time or even above average FA to sign with the Lakers?

Yet another poster whose head should be in the ECFs, yet has the Lakers dancing in his dome instead.

They haven't played and ECF game yet and haven't played any game in 6 days. How long do I have to think about it?

Just responding to what is in the thread. I respond to other threads too.

Good non-answer answer BTW. Says it all.

Besides last year when was the last time the Lakers had cap room?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

If I was a Lakers fan, I would be praying every night until he signs elsewhere, that they don't sign Rondo.

Rondo at $15M per would be insane, but for half of that he's a bargain. He obviously has his warts, but I think he still has a good 2-3 year run in him. Dallas was obviously a horrible fit and he handled it poorly, to say the least. shrug:

And he is going to be a good fit in LA?

Should be. We have no ball handlers and zero defense at the point. Clarkson isn't a starting PG on a contender, though he's an extremely valuable rotation piece due to being able to play he 1 & 2.

What better way to break in 2 lottery bigs (Randle & Okafor) as well as acclimate Love to LA than running a Kobe/Rondo backcourt out there so they'll never touch the rock?

So you think a SG that can't play without the ball and a PG who can't play without the ball will be a good fit? And, you know, that it may be the worst shooting backcourt in a league where backcourt shooting is at a premium?

ETA: Rondo isn't a good defender and Kobe is a horrific defender. So you now have a backcourt pairing of guys that can't shoot, can't defend and can't do anything without the ball in their hand. Good fit? mmmKay.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Let him keep going.

He's on a roll.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Let him keep going.

He's on a roll.

Seriously. I cannot think of a worse backcourt mate for either of them.

 

[Bobcat10]

Refresh my memory, who was the last big time or even above average FA to sign with the Lakers?

Yet another poster whose head should be in the ECFs, yet has the Lakers dancing in his dome instead.

Hmmm, never heard of that guy.

 

[Kev4029]

If I was a Lakers fan, I would be praying every night until he signs elsewhere, that they don't sign Rondo.

Rondo at $15M per would be insane, but for half of that he's a bargain. He obviously has his warts, but I think he still has a good 2-3 year run in him. Dallas was obviously a horrible fit and he handled it poorly, to say the least. shrug:

He's always hurt, has an awful attitude, and just isn't very good anymore. If he gets a long term deal I will be amazed. He was probably the worst starting PG in the NBA this year. If he wasn't the worst, he was really really close to it.

 

[culdeus]

I'm just glad the Spurs era is over. This playoffs has been a lot of fun to watch. I rarely find myself watching random games, but I'm all in on this group of teams.

 

[timschochet]

I'm just glad the Spurs era is over. This playoffs has been a lot of fun to watch. I rarely find myself watching random games, but I'm all in on this group of teams.

Ive thought the Spurs era was over at least 5 times in the last decade. Now I've learned never to count them out. It wouldn't surprise me to see them back in the Finals next year, or any year even after Duncan. That coach is too damn good.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I'm just glad the Spurs era is over. This playoffs has been a lot of fun to watch. I rarely find myself watching random games, but I'm all in on this group of teams.

They've had dirt thrown on them before. And I think the last few iterations of the Spurs have been really fun to watch.

Refresh my memory, who was the last big time or even above average FA to sign with the Lakers?

Yet another poster whose head should be in the ECFs, yet has the Lakers dancing in his dome instead.

Yeah CQ, you need to get back in the film room.

 

[tommyGunZ]

If I was a Lakers fan, I would be praying every night until he signs elsewhere, that they don't sign Rondo.

Rondo at $15M per would be insane, but for half of that he's a bargain. He obviously has his warts, but I think he still has a good 2-3 year run in him. Dallas was obviously a horrible fit and he handled it poorly, to say the least. shrug:

He's always hurt, has an awful attitude, and just isn't very good anymore. If he gets a long term deal I will be amazed. He was probably the worst starting PG in the NBA this year. If he wasn't the worst, he was really really close to it.

His game certainly hasn't aged well, but I think it's premature to completely write him off, especially when the other FA PG options all come with similar sized warts.

 

[Spartans Rule]

whats the top 10 mock looking like?

Anyway that justice winslow falls to the pistons at 8?

Winslow would be ideal for the Pistons. Looks like there are a lot of decent potential fits though. They need forwards who can shoot.

 

[JMon348]

Okafur already with quotes angling to be passed by the Timberwolves.

"Hype about going first is more for the fans"

"I don't know that I should go first, I don't care, just want to go to the right environment"

 

[Good Posting Judge]

The Lakers really have nothing to offer elite free agents. Extra money that a team can offer his own guy to stay, what's the attraction? Terrible ownership/coach? Psychotic future HOF'er who's screaming at everyone even though he's garbage now? Nil chance of getting anywhere in the playoffs?

okay. Don't the lakers have $20+ mil in cap space this year? Kobe's done after next year. 3 nice building blocks in Randel, Clarkson, and whoever we take at #2.

You know who the Clippers' 3 nice "building blocks" are? Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, and (bit of a dropoff) JJ Redick. So if Jordan gets a max offer to stay from LAC, he'd leave a contender AND $30 million on the table to go play for a dip#### coach and with a bunch of young players?

Aldridge? Assuming he does bail on Portland, how does LA compete with San Antonio? Love can either re-sign with Cleveland or just take another year with them, even if he spurns both of those options, he's risking going back to a perpetual re-building/disaster like he was with Minny.

Also keep in mind that the draft is before free agency, so if they do the smart thing and take Towns or Okafor, signing a big could relegate Randle to a reserve role.

Other than another draft pick, what's changed from last summer?

Funny seeing GS fans on tilt in a year where they're about to win the title.

I'm not on tilt at all. I just find the chances of the Lakers landing someone good (e.g. not Rondo) in free agency to be fairly remote. I am happy that LA is not taking the extreme Sixers approach to rebuilding either, that team is going to be a handful in a couple seasons. Purely building through the draft is a lot easier said than done. Getting a great player like Okafor or Russell and making smart moves around him can get you into the late lottery, but obviously as you succeed, you get worse picks (unless you're the Cavs). And if you're LA, you likely don't even get that next year.

Not to mention that the rules around FA now make it prohibitively difficult to just back up an armored truck full of money to an elite FA and have him sign on the dotted line. LA doesn't have that luxury the way they did with Shaq.

And on top of that, Scott and the Buss kids are all dummies.