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Cliff Clavin said:
simmonjm said:
Raps are going to regret letting Sweet Lou go. He carried that second unit and the entire team especially once Lowry was injured. Dont get me wrong he is like JR Smith and lost the Raps a fair amout of games with his streaky shooting.
I don't think there will be an appreciable net drop off. I will bet that they move away from the ISO dominant offense from last year and towards the free flowing offense from 13/14. Bringing in guys from ATL and SA can only help with the ball movement. Ross going to the bench and having a defined role should greatly help his game out. The big loss is Amir and replacing him with Biyombo. That'll hurt the offense alot more than losing Williams.Their achilles heal from last year, defence, will be greatly improved.

The games where he caught fire were great but they were negated by the all too common 1-10 nights.
We're trusting Dwayne Casey to actually coach up his team? Not likely.

 
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OT: Drove through Cities today. Wife nearly had conniption when I swerved across two lanes in 35W to improvise an exit. All was forgiven when she realized I saw a Zantigo from the freeway. Chilitos for everyone!
I am, legitimately, so happy for you. I have multiple PMs referencing chilitos from you. I just wish we could have had a beer.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
simmonjm said:
Raps are going to regret letting Sweet Lou go. He carried that second unit and the entire team especially once Lowry was injured. Dont get me wrong he is like JR Smith and lost the Raps a fair amout of games with his streaky shooting.
I don't think there will be an appreciable net drop off. I will bet that they move away from the ISO dominant offense from last year and towards the free flowing offense from 13/14. Bringing in guys from ATL and SA can only help with the ball movement. Ross going to the bench and having a defined role should greatly help his game out. The big loss is Amir and replacing him with Biyombo. That'll hurt the offense alot more than losing Williams.Their achilles heal from last year, defence, will be greatly improved.

The games where he caught fire were great but they were negated by the all too common 1-10 nights.
We're trusting Dwayne Casey to actually coach up his team? Not likely.
I don't have my hopes too high but There was one big change from the ball movement offence in 13/14 and the ISO ball in14/15 and that player is now gone. Same thing happened with/without Gay.

 
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OT: Drove through Cities today. Wife nearly had conniption when I swerved across two lanes in 35W to improvise an exit. All was forgiven when she realized I saw a Zantigo from the freeway. Chilitos for everyone!
I am, legitimately, so happy for you. I have multiple PMs referencing chilitos from you. I just wish we could have had a beer.
Me too, GB. We were up in BWCA country for the 4th. The Cities were pretty much a drive-by both ways. The new Vikings stadium looks... interesting... so far. I guess this is another one of those #TrustTheProcess situations.

 
Was really hoping the Bullets would land West. Bummer. Interested in anyone's take on the 2015 outlook for the Bullets?

 
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Was really hoping the Bullets would land West. Bummer. Interested in anyone's take on the 2015 outlook for the Bullets?
Same as last year. Top 4/5 with a second round exit.
This sounds about right to me. They're being dragging kicking and screaming into the modern game as evidenced by these quotes from Bradley Beal. Which is a shame because Wall and Beal are absolutely perfect for it (Wall's ability to find spotup shooters more than makes up for his own mediocrity beyond the arc). West would have been a good addition but I love the Dudley pickup. Dudley + a more confident Porter should replace Pierce's regular season contributions, although obviously not his playoff contributions. Otherwise it's basically the same team.

 
I feel like the top 4 is pretty predictable in the East -- with Milwaukee being the party crasher in 4th, on the heels of a season that saw the young core go ~.500ish, only to add both Parker and Monroe. Don't see much chance any of the field pushes any of those teams out without catastrophic injuries.

WAS and TOR seem like the safest bets from the field to secure a couple of the 5-8 spots, but I think either is looking at an uphill battle for any result better than first-round exit.

 
I feel like the top 4 is pretty predictable in the East -- with Milwaukee being the party crasher in 4th, on the heels of a season that saw the young core go ~.500ish, only to add both Parker and Monroe. Don't see much chance any of the field pushes any of those teams out without catastrophic injuries.

WAS and TOR seem like the safest bets from the field to secure a couple of the 5-8 spots, but I think either is looking at an uphill battle for any result better than first-round exit.
Atlanta won't be as good and I can see more than a little trouble in Chicago.

 
Was really hoping the Bullets would land West. Bummer. Interested in anyone's take on the 2015 outlook for the Bullets?
Same as last year. Top 4/5 with a second round exit.
This sounds about right to me. They're being dragging kicking and screaming into the modern game as evidenced by these quotes from Bradley Beal. Which is a shame because Wall and Beal are absolutely perfect for it (Wall's ability to find spotup shooters more than makes up for his own mediocrity beyond the arc). West would have been a good addition but I love the Dudley pickup. Dudley + a more confident Porter should replace Pierce's regular season contributions, although obviously not his playoff contributions. Otherwise it's basically the same team.
You guys just need to stay competitive enough for KD to feel like he can come over and put the Wiz over the top.

 
I feel like the top 4 is pretty predictable in the East -- with Milwaukee being the party crasher in 4th, on the heels of a season that saw the young core go ~.500ish, only to add both Parker and Monroe. Don't see much chance any of the field pushes any of those teams out without catastrophic injuries.

WAS and TOR seem like the safest bets from the field to secure a couple of the 5-8 spots, but I think either is looking at an uphill battle for any result better than first-round exit.
Atlanta won't be as good and I can see more than a little trouble in Chicago.
Chicago's already shown that even with massive injury problems, they're still solid enough to waltz to a top 4 seed. I don't see that changing.

Don't see anything significant changing in ATL, unless Korver really struggles to come back. Carroll was extremely expendable, being little more than an opportunistic athlete. Product of the system is the only way you get a breakout at his age -- and that'll be easily replaceable. And all the true skill guys are locked in and in their primes, and are all moving together into another year in the Bud/Pop system. They're a top 4 lock. :shrug:

 
I feel like the top 4 is pretty predictable in the East -- with Milwaukee being the party crasher in 4th, on the heels of a season that saw the young core go ~.500ish, only to add both Parker and Monroe. Don't see much chance any of the field pushes any of those teams out without catastrophic injuries.

WAS and TOR seem like the safest bets from the field to secure a couple of the 5-8 spots, but I think either is looking at an uphill battle for any result better than first-round exit.
I think it's more of a top 6 and the rest. Toronto and Washington are better than any of the teams going for the last two slots. Almost isn't a point for playoffs in the East for the next few years with what Cleveland had going. Goal should ECF and not getting swept.

 
Chicago's already shown that even with massive injury problems, they're still solid enough to waltz to a top 4 seed. I don't see that changing.
Well they also lost Thibs and while he ran them into the ground, that's also one of the reasons for the regular season record. I don't think they miss the playoffs or anything, but I can easily see them in the 4-6 range rather than the 2-3 range.

 
I don't understand why people immediately group Chicago among the elite in the East. They haven't won >50 games since the 2010-11 season. Their leader in minutes played last season will be 35 next season. Noah is fading hard. At this point most rational people have accepted that MVP-caliber Derrick Rose is gone forever. Jimmy Butler can't play much better than he did last year. Where is the improvement supposed to come from? Mirotic, Portis and McDermott? Three guys who more or less play the same position?

 
I guess the Pacers are the one team I could see being a fly in the top 4 ointment. But I just have no feel at all for how good they'll be, or even what their style will be like.

If George is all the way back and he and Monta work seamlessly, I could see some noise being made. But w/o Hibbert, their whole identity has to change. I assume they're going more up tempo, but I'm not comfortable guessing how well it will work.

I'm tentatively imagining them slotting in right behind TOR and WAS, but almost no result from 2 down to lottery would shock me. My gambling dollars will stay far away from Indy this year.

 
I don't understand why people immediately group Chicago among the elite in the East. They haven't won >50 games since the 2010-11 season. Their leader in minutes played last season will be 35 next season. Noah is fading hard. At this point most rational people have accepted that MVP-caliber Derrick Rose is gone forever. Jimmy Butler can't play much better than he did last year. Where is the improvement supposed to come from? Mirotic, Portis and McDermott? Three guys who more or less play the same position?
Hoiball!!

 
Todem says watch out for the Heat's this year!
Damn straight I am.

I don't see how you can ignore that starting 5. Plus Winslow as a great 6th man who can defend 4 positions and by mid-season may even crack that starting lineup. And he plays defense pretty damn good for a rookie. Hopefully McRoberts is ready to contribute off the bench, Birdman can give us 17-20 quality minutes, and we see continued development of Ennis and Shabazz.

Obviously it's about health. But Dragic, and Whiteside with a healthy Deng, Bosh and Wade playing 65-70 games will be a heck of a solid squad this season. Wade only played in 60 last year.....but his game was great in those 60 games. And he always plays in the post season which the Heat should make this year and IMO a top 5 seed.

Just keep ignoring them though. They should be quite good this upcoming season. A deep playoff run will be a big success. If they can get to the ECF that would be an amazing season.

 
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Love his Winslow is already a great 6th man and can play damn good D for a rookie even though he hasn't played a minute.
Yeah.....why not? Summer springs hope eternal in the NBA.

Come on now. What's wrong with being a fan? Great draft pick and the kid can ball.

We speculate before the season starts. Or what's the point in talking about it?

 
Love his Winslow is already a great 6th man and can play damn good D for a rookie even though he hasn't played a minute.
Yeah.....why not? Summer springs hope eternal in the NBA.Come on now. What's wrong with being a fan? Great draft pick and the kid can ball.

We speculate before the season starts. Or what's the point in talking about it?
We're all fans here. Most are grounded and logical. Others are ridiculous homers.

 
Love his Winslow is already a great 6th man and can play damn good D for a rookie even though he hasn't played a minute.
Yeah.....why not? Summer springs hope eternal in the NBA.Come on now. What's wrong with being a fan? Great draft pick and the kid can ball.

We speculate before the season starts. Or what's the point in talking about it?
We're all fans here. Most are grounded and logical. Others are ridiculous homers.
Grounded and logical...yeah my team sucks.

Illogical to think they can be a post season team.

Illogical to think Justice Winslow a highly regarded player coming out of Duke will have little to no impact this season.

OK.

It was illogical to think they would not be a top team when they had Lebron and win multiple titles. If I remember correctly when they aquired Lebron you were front and center saying they have no money to sign anyone else and will have zero depth.....yet they went to 4 straight NBA Finals.

But yeah I am a ridiculous homer because my hometown team has had so much success over the past 15 years. And has had a tradition of you know......winning. Winning a lot of games, divisions, being in the post season almost...like always under Pat Riley's watch. Yeah some bad years sprinkled in....like any other team.

So excuse my exuberance when it comes to a winning first class franchise like the Heat. Because hey I am illogical about a team that just seems to win a lot over the last decade and half and has set a high bar of post season expectations. Seems to get players who want to be here. That treats their fans first class by putting a great product on the court almost every season. To lump me in with the johnny come lately Heat fans is a serious mistake. I have been through the garbage years with this team, stuck by them and was in the arena during the 15 win seasons. I love my Heat.

Good luck to your Raptors next season though. Let me know when they win a title. Oh wait....you're logical and not a homer so you don't ever want to have title expectations about....Toronto!!!

Well at least you have Rush going for ya. Love those boys from Willowdale. Greatest band in the universe. Thank you for at least that.

Love ya Cliff.

 
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Your team does suck. They didn't even make the playoffs in the east last year and Wade is another year older. Sorry guy. The run is over.

 
Your team does suck. They didn't even make the playoffs in the east last year and Wade is another year older. Sorry guy. The run is over.
#### happens.

And I don't think a title is what I said they will do...we are talking about a return to the post season. The Heat will be back in the post season next season as long as they don't suffer serious injuries.

But keeping telling yourself they suck. One season post Lebron is not easy to recover from. But this is year two of post Lebron and they are primed for a strong showing.

 
Your team does suck. They didn't even make the playoffs in the east last year and Wade is another year older. Sorry guy. The run is over.
#### happens.And I don't think a title is what I said they will do...we are talking about a return to the post season. The Heat will be back in the post season next season as long as they don't suffer serious injuries.

But keeping telling yourself they suck. One season post Lebron is not easy to recover from. But this is year two of post Lebron and they are primed for a strong showing.
They're terrible. Maybe a 7 seed if Wade doesn't die. Lottery pick when he does.

 
Love his Winslow is already a great 6th man and can play damn good D for a rookie even though he hasn't played a minute.
Yeah.....why not? Summer springs hope eternal in the NBA.Come on now. What's wrong with being a fan? Great draft pick and the kid can ball.

We speculate before the season starts. Or what's the point in talking about it?
We're all fans here. Most are grounded and logical. Others are ridiculous homers.
I prefer to be both, depending on how the mood strikes.

 
Love his Winslow is already a great 6th man and can play damn good D for a rookie even though he hasn't played a minute.
Yeah.....why not? Summer springs hope eternal in the NBA.Come on now. What's wrong with being a fan? Great draft pick and the kid can ball.

We speculate before the season starts. Or what's the point in talking about it?
We're all fans here. Most are grounded and logical. Others are ridiculous homers.
Grounded and logical...yeah my team sucks.Illogical to think they can be a post season team.

Illogical to think Justice Winslow a highly regarded player coming out of Duke will have little to no impact this season.

OK.

It was illogical to think they would not be a top team when they had Lebron and win multiple titles. If I remember correctly when they aquired Lebron you were front and center saying they have no money to sign anyone else and will have zero depth.....yet they went to 4 straight NBA Finals.

But yeah I am a ridiculous homer because my hometown team has had so much success over the past 15 years. And has had a tradition of you know......winning. Winning a lot of games, divisions, being in the post season almost...like always under Pat Riley's watch. Yeah some bad years sprinkled in....like any other team.

So excuse my exuberance when it comes to a winning first class franchise like the Heat. Because hey I am illogical about a team that just seems to win a lot over the last decade and half and has set a high bar of post season expectations. Seems to get players who want to be here. That treats their fans first class by putting a great product on the court almost every season. To lump me in with the johnny come lately Heat fans is a serious mistake. I have been through the garbage years with this team, stuck by them and was in the arena during the 15 win seasons. I love my Heat.

Good luck to your Raptors next season though. Let me know when they win a title. Oh wait....you're logical and not a homer so you don't ever want to have title expectations about....Toronto!!!

Well at least you have Rush going for ya. Love those boys from Willowdale. Greatest band in the universe. Thank you for at least that.

Love ya Cliff.
That's a lot of words just to say yes, you're a ridiculous homer.

 
Shouldn't we be counting on Wade and Bosh and Denger to miss time by now? I say yes.

I like Winslow, but I don't expect him to come and start crushing right away. Not sure about this guard 4 positions shtick either...

ETA: He's 6'4.5" without shoes..basically the same measurements as Shabazz Muhammad, but he actully tries on defense unlike Shabazzy.

 
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Shouldn't we be counting on Wade and Bosh and Denger to miss time by now? I say yes.

I like Winslow, but I don't expect him to come and start crushing right away. Not sure about this guard 4 positions shtick either...

ETA: He's 6'4.5" without shoes..basically the same measurements as Shabazz Muhammad, but he actully tries on defense unlike Shabazzy.
He didn't even say guard four positions, he said PLAY four positions...no way Winslow can play point guard...nor the power forward unless the game goes really small.

 
Shouldn't we be counting on Wade and Bosh and Denger to miss time by now? I say yes.

I like Winslow, but I don't expect him to come and start crushing right away. Not sure about this guard 4 positions shtick either...

ETA: He's 6'4.5" without shoes..basically the same measurements as Shabazz Muhammad, but he actully tries on defense unlike Shabazzy.
He didn't even say guard four positions, he said PLAY four positions...no way Winslow can play point guard...nor the power forward unless the game goes really small.
He would definitely be a 4 in my local Thursday pickup game.

 
He didn't even play 4 positions at Duke. No idea what he's talking about.
Can guard 4 positions according to his scouting report....a heck of wing defender in college.

Kid has a ton of upside. I see him being an impact SF for the next decade.

Winslow's best attribute as a NBA prospect is clearly his defense, which has been his calling card ever since he first started making a name for himself with USA Basketball as a 16-year old beating up on older players at the FIBA U17 World Championship in Kaunas.

Very few power forwards overpower him inside the paint, while he's quick and agile enough to stay in front of guards on the perimeter, giving him tremendous versatility on this end of the floor. His footwork and lateral movement is outstanding for a player his age, as he's always in a stance, displays tremendous focus and awareness, and is incredibly tough, physical and competitive. While he's tremendous one on one, he's even better as a team defender, doing an outstanding job of making the right rotations and helping out his teammates, digging down on the post, closing out on shooters, and finding ways to make plays off the ball, averaging 1.8 steals and 1.2 blocks per-40 minutes.

This ability to defend multiple positions is all the rage in today's NBA game, and it wouldn't be surprising at all to see him draw the other team's best offensive player at the 1-3 spots every single night from very early on in his career, with the added bonus of being able to operate as a small-ball power forward like he often did at Duke. He won't give up anything on the defensive glass either, as he demonstrated with the 7 rebounds per-40 minutes he averaged at Duke, the third best rate among wing players in our Top-100.

From DraftExpress.comhttp://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3fDdgmX1z

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I think he means he can play four positions AT ONCE.

Winslow, Wade (when healthy), Winslow, Winslow and Winslow IMO

 
He didn't even play 4 positions at Duke. No idea what he's talking about.
Can guard 4 positions according to his scouting report....a heck of wing defender in college.

Kid has a ton of upside. I see him being an impact SF for the next decade.

Winslow's best attribute as a NBA prospect is clearly his defense, which has been his calling card ever since he first started making a name for himself with USA Basketball as a 16-year old beating up on older players at the FIBA U17 World Championship in Kaunas.

Very few power forwards overpower him inside the paint, while he's quick and agile enough to stay in front of guards on the perimeter, giving him tremendous versatility on this end of the floor.
I agree, none of the 17 year old PF's in the NBA will overpower him inside.

 
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Seriously though, Winslow could win rookie of the year.

Because Wade will be hurt all year and he'll get plenty of minutes.
 
Guys leave Todem alone. I love the passion and optimism. At least he didn't abandon ship when Lebron left.

/great defense

 
Hate to say it but I'm kind of with Todem here. Winslow is going to to help a ton and can guard several positions.

The problem for the Heat, and for Todem's argument, is that it's going to take him a while to figure out the NBA. I don't remember anyone coming in and being an elite defensive contributor right off the bat. NBA defense is too complicated and the players are too skilled offensively with too many tricks up their sleeves. Even a guy like Gobert, who may be more gifted defensively than anyone on earth, didn't really emerge as a force until his second season in the league, when he was 23. Winslow is 19 and will be in his first season.

 

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