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page two save post and some of you think you are have the cajones to run this place instead of cliffy where were you when this almost went to page three shaking my head brohans shaking it in slo motion take that to the bank

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Brit> Today is the birthday of the best guard of the 1990s, Gary Payton. Happy Payton's Birthday to you.
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My Son said "I played D like The Glove today dad" when I asked him how he played at basketball camp. We got him a Basketball encyclopedia type book recently, learning himself some hoops history. :thumbup: Also told me George Mikan was the first player inducted into the NBA HOF :nerd:

 
Dudley terrific on Lowe Post.

As Simmons would say, a guy i'd like to buy stock in. Either in the studio/booth or coaching. His career just starting.

 
What players would make the top 50 now that weren't on in 1996?

For sure:

Duncan

James

Bryant

Nowitzki

Garnett

Quite possibly:

Wade

Iverson

Nash

Paul

Durant

Howard

T. Parker

Curry (too soon?)

Who else? And who gets taken off the list?

 
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Add:

Duncan, LeBron, Kobe, Garnett, Kidd, Payton, Nowitzki, Rodman, Iverson

Drop:

Archibald, Arizin, DeBusschere, Lucas, Parish, Sharman, Unseld, Wilkens, Worthy

 
sports_fan said:
Top 30 in win shares since 96-97

Player From To G MP FG FGA 3P 3PA TRB AST STL BLK TOV PTS FG% 2P% 3P% FT% WSTim Duncan 1998 2015 1331 45832 10070 19893 30 166 14644 4062 978 2942 3291 25974 .506 .509 .181 .696 201.2Dirk Nowitzki 1999 2015 1265 44885 9894 20810 1575 4117 10051 3282 1076 1128 2290 28119 .475 .498 .383 .879 192.0Kevin Garnett 1997 2015 1344 47569 10090 20292 166 603 14011 5238 1745 1896 3053 25114 .497 .504 .275 .792 186.0LeBron James 2004 2015 911 35769 8950 18043 1256 3671 6502 6301 1553 724 3067 24913 .496 .535 .342 .745 178.9Kobe Bryant 1997 2015 1280 46774 11321 25087 1694 5079 6800 6122 1882 627 3881 32482 .451 .481 .334 .837 173.1Paul Pierce 1999 2015 1250 44372 8496 18998 2053 5531 7293 4627 1715 723 3458 25899 .447 .478 .371 .806 149.1Ray Allen 1997 2014 1300 46344 8567 18955 2973 7429 5272 4361 1451 244 2709 24505 .452 .485 .400 .894 145.1Shaquille ONeal 1997 2011 912 30754 8122 13935 0 11 9408 2310 496 1908 2422 20577 .583 .583 .000 .521 133.4Chris Paul 2006 2015 699 25305 4604 9715 751 2061 3070 6950 1641 69 1683 13060 .474 .503 .364 .861 131.3Jason Kidd 1997 2013 1231 44409 5396 13407 1785 5048 7742 10701 2358 400 3425 15259 .402 .432 .354 .801 130.6Steve Nash 1997 2014 1217 38069 6321 12892 1685 3939 3642 10335 899 102 3478 17387 .490 .518 .428 .904 129.7Shawn Marion 2000 2015 1163 40097 7289 15056 791 2390 10101 2198 1759 1233 1750 17700 .484 .513 .331 .810 124.9Pau Gasol 2002 2015 983 34911 6881 13409 50 180 9255 3191 511 1631 2269 18022 .513 .516 .278 .753 123.5Chauncey Billups 1998 2014 1043 33008 4738 11413 1830 4725 2992 5636 1051 168 2138 15802 .415 .435 .387 .894 120.8Vince Carter 1999 2015 1214 40331 8550 19451 1878 5020 5767 4321 1323 758 2388 23574 .440 .462 .374 .799 116.6Elton Brand 2000 2015 1041 34685 6568 13113 2 20 8977 2166 931 1820 2049 16757 .501 .501 .100 .736 109.5Dwyane Wade 2004 2015 781 28302 6785 13837 379 1313 3824 4600 1335 717 2679 18812 .490 .511 .289 .765 108.9Dwight Howard 2005 2015 809 28812 5228 9024 5 48 10314 1224 798 1711 2499 14674 .579 .582 .104 .573 106.7Rasheed Wallace 1997 2013 1044 34455 6045 12964 1059 3146 7101 1909 1048 1406 1590 15351 .466 .508 .337 .724 102.7Tony Parker 2002 2015 1008 32638 6771 13700 446 1381 2929 5970 916 77 2502 17027 .494 .513 .323 .753 100.1Andre Miller 2000 2015 1265 39807 5976 12998 191 880 4744 8437 1530 227 3084 16134 .460 .477 .217 .807 99.8Chris Bosh 2004 2015 840 30158 5851 11814 224 688 7202 1667 694 898 1729 16179 .495 .506 .326 .799 99.6Allen Iverson 1997 2010 914 37584 8467 19906 1059 3383 3394 5624 1983 164 3262 24368 .425 .448 .313 .780 99.0Gary Payton* 1997 2007 845 30718 5755 12646 938 2915 3561 5848 1333 177 1894 14750 .455 .495 .322 .741 97.9Jason Terry 2000 2015 1213 38597 6599 14812 2076 5463 3041 5155 1468 233 2305 17986 .446 .484 .380 .846 97.6Manu Ginobili 2003 2015 865 23135 4015 8925 1272 3457 3252 3478 1201 276 1816 12395 .450 .502 .368 .827 97.5Tracy McGrady 1998 2012 938 30658 6709 15413 1081 3198 5276 4161 1136 807 2029 18381 .435 .461 .338 .746 97.3Karl Malone* 1997 2004 578 21051 4882 9749 18 73 5235 2433 781 389 1693 13585 .501 .503 .247 .777 96.3Ben Wallace 1997 2012 1088 32085 2569 5421 7 51 10482 1437 1369 2137 1061 6254 .474 .477 .137 .414 93.5Kevin Durant 2008 2015 569 21630 5214 10847 957 2528 3929 2002 705 554 1833 15537 .481 .512 .379 .881 93.4
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Freaking filthy numbers over 17 years and the guy is consistently left off all time greatest lists.

 
Yeah, hard to believe Duncan was left off the NBA 50th Anniversary Team, even when considering he was still in college when the list was compiled.

 
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Ghost Rider said:
What players would make the top 50 now that weren't on in 1996?

For sure:

Duncan

James

Bryant

Nowitzki

Garnett

Quite possibly:

Wade

Iverson

Nash

Paul

Durant

Howard

T. Parker

Curry (too soon?)

Who else? And who gets taken off the list?
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I would put Ray Allen over a lot of guys on that list.

 
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Probably didn't consider Ray Allen, Dwyane Wade, Paul Pierce, Steve Nash, or Chris Paul closely enough when I posted my list.

If Durant never played another game, IMO he wouldn't retire a Top 50 player. However, any reasonable projection of the rest of his career has him headed to the HOF and Top 50.

If I had to pick one player 25 years old or younger who would someday be considered a Top 50 all-time player, it would be Anthony Davis.

 
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Ghost Rider said:
What players would make the top 50 now that weren't on in 1996?

For sure:

Duncan

James

Bryant

Nowitzki

Garnett

Quite possibly:

Wade

Iverson

Nash

Paul

Durant

Howard

T. Parker

Curry (too soon?)

Who else? And who gets taken off the list?
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Howard, Parker, and Curry have no place in the top 50 conversation, IMO.
 
Pierce certainly does. And Nash is definitely in there now. Wade probably as well. Iverson as "first man out@ for me.

 
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Abraham said:
Pierce certainly does. And Nash is definitely in there now. Wade probably as well. Iverson as "first man out@ for me.
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Maybe Iverson isn't top 50 strictly by his play but he did it while being under 6 feet tall and was as popular as anybody since Jordan. He changed the NBA and the way it was perceived, both for good and bad, more than anybody in the 90s and 00s.

 
no way on pierce no way on paul no way on tony parker yes on curry eventually yes on durant eventually and tim duncan should always in the top five discussion period take that to the bank bromigos

 
Ilov80s said:
Ghost Rider said:
What players would make the top 50 now that weren't on in 1996?

For sure:

Duncan

James

Bryant

Nowitzki

Garnett

Quite possibly:

Wade

Iverson

Nash

Paul

Durant

Howard

T. Parker

Curry (too soon?)

Who else? And who gets taken off the list?
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I would put Ray Allen over a lot of guys on that list.
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Ray Allen is hard to rank, because on the one hand, he is the greatest 3-point shooter in the history of the league. but on the other hand, he was rarely one of the top players (only made All-NBA twice: one second team, one third). Granted, he made 10 All-Star games, but did you ever really watch Ray Allen and think, "That is one of the absolute best players in the league?"

 
Definitely in:

Duncan

James

Garnett

Bryant

Nowitzki

Wade

Payton

Nash

Kidd

Paul

Fringe: Pierce, Howard, Iverson, Durant, Allen, Billups, Miller, and probably a few others

 
No way AI gets left off the top 50. He broke in when legends still roamed and played harder and faster than everyone for an 8 year period. He left he game a broken down mess at the end but his time in the league was amazing.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Add:

Duncan, LeBron, Kobe, Garnett, Kidd, Payton, Nowitzki, Rodman, Iverson

Drop:

Archibald, Arizin, DeBusschere, Lucas, Parish, Sharman, Unseld, Wilkens, Worthy
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I agree on pulling all but Unseld off the list. He was mostly a rebounder, but was a league MVP and a finals MVP in separate seasons. Anybody that reaches the pinnacle both as an individual and as the lead man on the team is greater than guys who just compiled stats through longevity. However, I am not who to exclude off of the adds list. Maybe pull off another guy. Maybe Sam Jones, Hal Greer or Nate Thurmond? None of them ever dominated the league and were more like great role players. Especially Jones, considering he benefitted a great deal from being on a great team.

 
Insein said:
No way AI gets left off the top 50. He broke in when legends still roamed and played harder and faster than everyone for an 8 year period. He left he game a broken down mess at the end but his time in the league was amazing.
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League MVP once and took a cast of nobodies to the Finals. I think AI is definitely a top 50 all timer.
 
I have trouble putting Pierce in top 50 and Paul isn't worthy either. Both great players, but just not dominate enough to be ranked that highly. I feel the same about Ray Allen.

 
Abraham said:
Bruce Dickinson said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Scottie pippen has no business being on the top 50 list2Name 50 who were greater.
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Yup. One of the more underrated players in history
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Such an interesting player. If we took the top 50 players of all-time and drafted 10 teams of five. I think he goes like 25.

You will get a hall of fame offensive player at pick 50 but Pippen's impact defensively is underrated when we are squaring off the best of the best. Pippen over Wade no doubt.

If I'm taking a player to build my franchise around right now in the NBA I take Wade over Pippen.

 
Almost everything about the Philadelphia 76ers has been embarrassing over the past two seasons, so why shouldn’t the TV ratings fall under that umbrella, too?

According to a recent Inquirer report, the Sixers averaged only 23,000 viewers during their miserable 18-win season in 2014-15. Keep in mind Philadelphia is the nation’s fourth-largest market with roughly 2.96 million homes featuring TV sets.

“Those numbers are embarrassing,” former CBS Sports president turned media consultant Neal Pilson told the Inquirer’s Bob Fernandez, “no question about it.”
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23,000? :lmao:

 
Jayrod said:
I have trouble putting Pierce in top 50 and Paul isn't worthy either. Both great players, but just not dominate enough to be ranked that highly. I feel the same about Ray Allen.
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Four time all NBA and a finals MVP. Basically 25/6/5 at the height of his powers. I agree it's close, but if he's on the outside looking in it isn't by much.

 
There will never be a top-50 list again so I don't know why we are discussing it. Top-75 is a possibility in a few years.

 
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